Women certainly aren't breaking the stained glass, or any other glass
ceiling around here. It appears that it will never happen.
In some cases there is no ceiling to break, such as in the Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-day Saints where no priesthood blessings are denied to either
@Red Corvette,Ask the millions of other Mormon women who don't
have a problem with the Church's current doctrine and policy about whether
they think there's a glass ceiling.You can't keep everyone
happy all the time no matter what you do. A problem doesn't necessarily
exist just because a very tiny minority say they want a change.
Once upon a time, women could lay on hands and bless the sick. Women also ran
powerful church auxiliary organizations, managing large budgets and deciding on
projects. They even published their own magazines. What happened? Correlation.
And why can't a woman be a ward clerk? Modern LDS women may not remember
how it was, how much women have lost in the church over the decades.
>>Women also ran powerful church auxiliary organizations, managing large
budgets and deciding on projects.They still do. The Relief Society
is the largest auxiliary in the Church and it's run by women from top to
bottom. They run the Young Women's organization and the Primary
organization from top to bottom as well. And the Church only
publishes three magazines -- one for adults, one for teens, one for children.
It's not like the men in the Church have their own magazine.
But the Relief Society is now under a Correlated Priesthood. Their publications
were outlets for rank-and-file members' creativity. They collected their
own money and managed their own budget. Most people today don't recall how
it was before Correlation.
@Red Corvette,Those who "beg to differ" on this topic are
those who view priesthood offices in terms of self promotion and privilege,
which are the opposite of what priesthood office is actually about. Priesthood
office is about service, and women in the LDS Church suffer from no shortage of
opportunities to serve. Nor are LDS women denied any priesthood ordinance
required for exaltation.The only "ceiling" Kate Kelly
experiences is the one she has sadly placed over herself as a result of her
I don't understand why women can't have the Priesthood. I think it is
tradition, not true doctrine.
The Church is going to face and is already facing major issues as the world
changes about it. Homosexuality and homosexual marriage is becoming legal
throughout the world and women are getting formal leadership roles in most
churches. I do not know what the Church will do, but I note that it has changed
fundamental doctrines before in the face of Societal revulsion; namely, plural
marriage and allowing Blacks to have the Priesthood. Both of these decisions
changed the Church for the good. Could you imagine the situation the Church
would be in now if Blacks could not hold the priesthood?
@ Red Corvette, RustedHaloI don't recall anything in the
scriptures about God being a God of Political Correctness. I recall him
to be a God of Wisdom and Order.What other Churches are doing are
unprecedented. The Prophet Thomas S. Monson has in recent years said:"We have come to the earth in troubled times. The moral compass of the
masses has gradually shifted to an “almost anything goes”
position.I’ve lived long enough to have witnessed much of the
metamorphosis of society’s morals. Where once the standards of the Church
and the standards of society were mostly compatible, now there is a wide chasm
between us, and it’s growing ever wider."
I don't get it. People whine about the problems of being
"correlation" yet it is correlation that makes the topics discussed in
the Women's meetings the same as those discussed by the men. Correlation equalizes things. Isn't equality what the dissenters want?
Can't we accept that sometimes women need to meet together as a
group. Same with the men? We meet together then we split up. Then we go home.
But we discuss the same topics.Where's the problem?
"Opportunities to serve." Yep, women in your church have plenty of
those. Opportunities to lead? Opportunities to set and direct
policy that directly impacts women?Not so much.
Correlation may have made the topics in the lesson manuals the same, but that
was by cutting our or diluting many of those topics. Nor is the approach exactly
the same. Someone did a study of manuals for young women vs. young men, and the
scope of the thinking process demanded and facts presented was very different. I
would post a link but I don't think links are allowed in comments.
When all is said and done, if you have obtained a testimony of the restored
gospel of Jesus Christ thru earnest searching and prayer you know that He leads
and directs all affairs that go on therin. To all the invitation is extended to
know truth.. " seek...knock...ask ".
I can't understand why women want to have equal status as leaders? All it
would mean is an additional immense amount of work for them to do and nothing
more rewarding than what they already do. There is no wealth and glory
involved. I suppose this controversy will continue until there are women
apostles and even a prophet.
@Shane333In pretty much every single church everyone could receive
everything regarding priesthood blessings. The article was referring to the
matter of who can administer them.