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Published: Thursday, July 31 2014 11:30 p.m. MDT

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Riley Mendenhall
Provo, UT

BYU only plays 1 P5 team that had a winning record last year (or even won a P5 conference game).

Texas. That is it.

And Texas is coming in with a new coach and just suspended their 6th player this offseason.

This year's slogan:

The Quest for Cupcakes!

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@Uteanymous

Try this "fact" on for size:

FACT: Utah has not won a road game against a PAC team with a winning record since Utah was a member of the WAC

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True, but that also applies to BYU. So I don't know what your point was.

In the last 20 years Utah has TWO such wins, BYU just ONE.

BYU's second PAC road win? In 1983 with Steve Young, over 31 years ago:

9/20/2007 @Arizona State (9-3) 10 BYU 13
10/1/1983 @UCLA (7-4-1)35 BYU 37

9/7/1996 @Stanford (7-5) 10 Utah 17
9/17/1994 @Oregon (9-4) 16 Utah 34

Black&Blue
St George, Utah

Uteology.

"FACT: BYU has not beat a ranked P5 team in 18 years."

Fact?
Texas was ranked #15 when BYU beat them last year. Texas clobbered #6 OU and Ended the regular season ranked #23/#24/#25.
BYU beat #2 ranked Oklahoma in 2009. They finished 8-5 Unranked, but lost their Heisman trophy winning QB Sam Bradford in the first half vs. BYU, or would have finished much higher.

I agree that BYU struggles vs P5 opponents, abut your claim that we haven't beaten a ranked P5 opponent in 17 years is certainly not a fact.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

According to ESPN:

Starting Oct. 28, the 13-member panel given the task of picking the schools for the new four-team playoff will release weekly rankings.

Voting for the newest college football poll will be done using the same procedure and recusal policy used by the committee that chooses the 68-team field for NCAA men's basketball tournament. The voting will be broken down into tiers, with the panel first grouping teams and then coming to a consensus on how they should be ordered with numerous votes.

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If BYU accomplishes its "special season" it will be lucky enough to be ranked in the top 10. Teams will be passing BYU left and right in October and November.

If BYU goes 23-0, BYU will be lucky to get ranked #5, see Boise State who never got higher than #6.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@Black&Blue

I agree that BYU struggles vs P5 opponents, abut your claim that we haven't beaten a ranked P5 opponent in 17 years is certainly not a fact.

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Only thing that matters is what you are ranked at the end of the season (aka final rankings).

Please provide me with a list of P5 teams that were ranked in the AP poll that BYU beat.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@Riddles in the Dark

Bottom line:

The Coaches poll just came out and BYU is among the teams receiving votes; while Utah is no where to be seen. Even NIU received more votes than the Utes.

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NIU received 1 more vote and BYU 18. Congrats!

I am willing to bet Utah beats both teams on the field.

Riverton Cougar
Riverton, UT

"Why would Utah play BYU? Even when Utah wins, BYU still claims to be better."

And, as per the polls, most of the time the nation thinks that BYU is better, too. This last year Utah was ranked higher than BYU by a single spot in a single poll (gaining just .6 points more). Congrats on finally outranking the Cougars for the first time in about 4 years.

TroyTown
Anaheim, CA

Uteology

It's laughable how you mix actual procedures with your own biased, BYU-hating opinion and then pretend that everything you write is "fact".

The truth is, BYU has a slim, but better, chance of making the playoffs in 2014 than Utah.

At least BYU has a chance of winning 11 or 12 games.

Utah will be lucky to win 6.

With 11 or 12 wins, BYU would at least be in the discussion, even with a weaker schedule.

With 6 wins, Utah wouldn't even be an after thought.

Robyuuki
Lewisburg, PA

It is all squarly on our football team's shoulders to rise and shine. And this is the year of no excuses. If we cannot do it this year with the talent onboard, then.......

So let's do ittttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt.

Go Cougs.

talkinsports
Gilbert, AZ

The thing that our little friend from the hill is desperately trying to ignore is that beating a ranked P5 is NOT a criteria for anything; it's simply something he made up.

Overall records, beating any ranked team, beating any quality team, avoiding ugly losses, and, to a degree, SOS, all are factored into the final rankings which are infinitely more important than whether you beat a "ranked P5" or not.

Utah proved that last season, beating a Top 15 "ranked P5", but not even qualifying for bowl.

Meanwhile, BYU didn't beat a "ranked P5", but did qualify for a bowl.

btw, remind us which "ranked P5" Utah beat to qualify for their first BCS game.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

"As BYU opens its fall football camp, two things are clear: The pressure is on, and BYU is embracing it." -- Lafe Peavler

If the cougars think "the pressure is on" with THIS schedule, they'd totally wilt and wet themselves should they ever have to face the sort of pressure that comes with playing a P5 schedule.

It's a good thing they'll be facing Savannah St. on Rivalry Weekend. No pressure there.

And Lafe, let's not call this schedule "solid but not overly difficult". Let's call it what it is: "midmajorey weak SOS". Ten wins as the bare minimum sounds about right to me.

Black&Blue
St George, Utah

Uteology,

"Only thing that matters is what you are ranked at the end of the season (aka final rankings)."

Then why are you trashing BYU's 2014 based on Pre-season rankings? Your very first comment on this article included a statement that BYU does not face a single opponent ranked in the pre-season coaches poll (Also false). But if the only thing that matters is final rankings, than why did you use the pre-season rankings to support your argument?
It's funny how Ute fans logic can change so conveniently...

skywalker
Palo Alto, CA

Uteology

Shockingly, Utah 2004 didn't beat a single "ranked P5" to qualify for the Fiesta Bowl, and Utah 2008 only beat one "ranked P5", #18/#19 Oregon State, to qualify for the Sugar Bowl.

Who Utah beat in their bowl game is irrelevant, because by today's "playoff standards", post season results won't even be a factor in determining who is invited to the playoffs.

Bottom line, by your own "ranked P5" standard, the best team in Utah history wouldn't have been invited to the playoffs.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@TroyTown

Uteology

It's laughable how you mix actual procedures with your own biased, BYU-hating opinion and then pretend that everything you write is "fact".

The truth is, BYU has a slim, but better, chance of making the playoffs in 2014 than Utah.

At least BYU has a chance of winning 11 or 12 games.

Utah will be lucky to win 6.

With 11 or 12 wins, BYU would at least be in the discussion, even with a weaker schedule.

With 6 wins, Utah wouldn't even be an after thought.

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A 2014 11 win BYU team has the same chance as making a playoff as 6 win Utah team, none. If history is any indication a 12 win 2014 BYU playing such a weak SOS will be in discussions just like your 2001 team:

"Officials from the [BCS] didn't even wait long enough to see if [12-0] BYU could finish the regular-season with an undefeated record to decide the Cougars' BCS fate. Access denied." -- Deseret News

However, I would agree with you that a 11/12 win BYU team playing your 2013 SOS has a "slim" chance to beat out an equal P5 team.

That's just reality, if you refuse to accept it's on you.

WACPaddingOurSchedule
pocatello, ID

PAC man
Anaheim, CA
ArgoFY

Remind us the last time the Utes won a national championship, played in 10 straight bowls, or had a player win a national individual award.

It's quite amazing the a fan of another program would be ragging on a program that has already accomplished significant achievements that of his own program can only dream of accomplishing.

National Championships
BYU 1
Utah 0

10-game bowl streaks
BYU 1 (and on the verge of a 2nd)
Utah 0

National Individual Awards
BYU 15
Utah 0

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Member of a P5 Conference
Utah - PAC 12
BYU - 40+ years of a WAC legacy, and still now conference invite

Black&Blue
St George, Utah

It's funny how now that Utah is in a P5 conference (and not doing well) SOS means absolutely everything. But when they were undefeated as MWC members and SOS arguments were being used against them, SOS meant very little.

The fact is SOS is pretty far down on the pecking order when it comes to rankings.

#1 FSU - #62 SOS

#3 MSU - #51 SOS

#8 Clemson - #54 SOS

#10 UCF - #79 SOS

That's 4 top 10 teams...

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@Black&Blue

BYU has a WEAK schedule, there's no way to get around it. It's so weak that your OWN coach said BYU needs to go 23-0 in order be in playoff "discussions".

@talkinsports: "btw, remind us which "ranked P5" Utah beat to qualify for their first BCS game."

I never claimed BYU wouldn't make a BCS bowl game going 11-1 or 12-0, they most likely will as long as they are ranked #12 or above. What I said was ANY TEAM playing a #90 SOS will NEVER earn top 4 ranking thus a playoff spot.

For example, TCU finished #7 and #6 back-to-back in 2008 and 2009 yet at 12-0 in 2010 the highest they were ranked was BCS #4. So that team would have made the playoffs, so BYU does have a slim chance. But please tell me when was the last time BYU was ranked in the top 10 three straight years, including under the great Edwards/Chow era?

taylormade1
Springville, UT

No doubt Chris b , the Y,s company at 97 - Oklahoma @93 and alabama @95 . The 2nd and 3rd ranked teams in the nation . So much for your silly SOS talk ! LOL !

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Black&Blue

I think you might have been looking at pre-season rankings. Texas finished unranked in 2013.

TrueBlue
Orem, UT

Uteology

The thing you fail to account for in all of your predictions based on previous results is that every season is different.

A record that might not be good enough to qualify for a BCS game or the playoffs in one season, might be more than good enough in another season.

It's laughable that you're constantly using TCU as your gold medal standard.

In 2013, BYU curb stomped Texas 40-21, yet TCU was curb-stomped by Texas 7-30.

When was the last time Utah had back-to-back Top 15 finishes, let alone Top 10 finishes?

When was the last time Utah had back-to-back 11+ win seasons?

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