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Published: Thursday, July 31 2014 10:00 p.m. MDT

Updated: Friday, Aug. 1 2014 9:08 a.m. MDT

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Goddess Divine
Orem, UT

Someone made a comment saying that if Mexico bombs Texas then Texas should do the same. Are we becoming a little bit extremist here? Please, listen to your own words and think rationally. If a few US terrorist will bomb Argentina, then should Argentina destroy the whole country and bomb the US? Does it look different when we turn the example the other way around? Keep in mind that when countries are destroyed like this, children and women are the main victims.

There is terrorism in almost every country in the world, guerrillas, mafias, gangs, etc. what civilized countries do is work with each other to fight terrorism, not bomb the whole country. If the other country is not the position to help or doesn't want to help for some reason, you can still target the terrorist without destroying the whole country. If all the countries will bomb each other because of terrorist attacks, we would be all in a state of war already for many years, including the US. I suggest you and I start reading more about terrorist organizations in other countries and how some solved their problems and other didn't.

Goddess Divine
Orem, UT

For the people saying that UN schools fosters violence and that they are accomplices, let me tell you what fosters violence. When people live in poverty and have no prospects of future, when they can get no education, when they can't travel or leave their country, when they can't go to work because they are surrounded by soldiers, when their houses are demolished and taken by others, when their olive trees and livelihood is burned to the ground, when their children in the streets are shot by soldiers because they were throwing stones, when everything they love is dead and they have no reason to live for anymore, then is at that point when people become violent and when they don't care if they live or die. That is when some people make the terrible choice of becoming terrorist, being violent or even blowing themselves up. This is the Palestinian reality. It is not right for them or for us. It has to stop.

Goddess Divine
Orem, UT

I have repeated this many times: the Palestinians shared the land with the Israelis since biblical times. Some people keep insisting that the Israelis were there first. The Palestinians are the philistines that se know of. Samson was seduced by Delilah who was a philistine. Also, Israel was not a state until its creation in 1948 (for those claiming that Palestine was not a state). And when Israel was created as a state, 70% of the population in that area were Arabs. They were the majority and that is the reason they did not agree with the partition of the land. Most Israelis came from overseas as settlers when the Palestinians were already there. It is similar to waht happened in America, the majority of the population were native Americans and the settlers came from Europe and took their land. Although it is not exactly the same. Many people make this comparison because US governent has helped Israel to invade Palestine, same as they did in the past here with the native Americans. This is the image our government is giving to the world.

Captain Green
Heber City, UT

These protesters are either very uninformed or are radical extremists who support destroying anything Jewish. The Arabic peoples in Israel are lucky to have the Jews there. If the Jews hadn't returned to their ancestral homeland and made it very nice, the country would look like neighboring Syria, which is a barren wasteland. If the Palestinians would get with the program and participate in the development of Israel, they could also become successful like the Jews have. Their bitter family feud, which dates back several millennia, will ultimately destroy them. Why they can't realize that is beyond me.

liberty or ...?
Ogden, UT

@ Goddess Divine, I respectfully disagree, your theory that terrorism is caused by poverty has been disproved repeatedly. Most of the terrorist fighters and suicide bombers when you examine their backgrounds come from largely wealthy or middle class faamilies and most have college degrees and higher education. If they are tired that the olive trees are burning then they shouldn't be shooting rockets at kindergarten schools of their neighbors. Palestinian reality my foot. It is well documented evenfrom leftist media outlets such as the NEW YORK TIMES that in 1947 the Palestinians were offered a seperate state they rejected it and they still reject it if part of the peace proposal includes the recognition of Israel. And the UN is an accomplice especially as their member states in europe pay terrorist protection money to be left alone (hello Barbary pirates) and look the other way as their facilities are hi-jacked for arms storage and safe houses. Looking the other way and ignoring the problem wasn't an excuse for the Germans in 1938-1945 and the UN doing it now is the equivalant.

roberto
Moses Lake, WA

lets make the protesters happy. After all that is what they are protesting for, they want their way. Send them to their home land and let them help the cause they are protesting for, Enough with the political correctness.

SG in SLC
Salt Lake City, UT

Bob Bohey,

To attribute the current Israeli/Palestinian conflict solely to the allegedly illigitimate creation and recognition of the state of Israel in the late 1940s is both one-sided and historically myopic. What about the arbitrary (and arguably illigitimate) creation of the various arabic states, primarily by England and France, following WWI? The national identity of these states that exists today was nonexistant prior to that -- they were largely independent nomadic bedouin tribes that Prince Faisal tried to unite through conquest, and that a handful of Europeans capriciously grouped together into more or less what we have today.

Also, the Jewish occupation of Palestine/Canaan didn't just happen overnight sometime in 1948; the return of the Jews to Palestine/Canaan began about a hundred years before that, albeit gradually at first, when the land was largely unoccupied, except for a few of the aforementioned nomadic bedouin tribes.

And really, the conflict pre-dates Mohammed and Islam, and goes back to Ishmael and Isaac.

Bob A. Bohey
Marlborough, MA

@lost in DC: Unfortunately it appears that neither situations can be undone. That being the case does not alter the facts of either situation and IMVHO those that refuse acknowledge these facts are the ones whose words and actions ring hollow.

@Kora: The Palestinians were nomadic tribes that lived in that region long before Judaism or Islam existed.

Shazandra
Bakersfield, CA

@Goddess-
1- Israel IS targeting the terrorist source of the rocket fire:
The UN has verified the human shields, hence the death toll- by Pal-Arab choice not to evacuate. Even the liar, Hanan Ashawri, said Monday- "Why should they be told when to leave their own homes?" Duh...

2- Leaflets carpet targeted areas before Every bombing. IDF soldiers plead with the civilians, who turn deaf ears and face death with confounded beligerance. Christian Arabs plead with the people, who taunt them as traitors and threaten their families. (Even in Bethlehem, far from Gaza City.)

3- My Syrian mother-in-law, 91, still cannot get over her anti-semitism, even after 80 cushy U.S. years. Inbred hatred remains irrational. And of course, every conflict/offense is the cause of "those Yehuds".

4- Your historical narrative from Biblical times to present is inaccurate. The land was purchased legally; Palestinian thugs killed many Arab landlords who sold even swampland to Jews. They continue to publically execute any who seek compromise. Read a paper sometime.

5- The Ancient Document prophetically explains the hatred: Ishmael will always remain "wild" and in conflict, Genesis 16:12.

Shazandra
Bakersfield, CA

@Bob Bohey-
Unfortunately, the Philistinis' (Arabic for Palestinian) patriarch had two sons and gave explicit birthrights (land) to each. Ishmael's legacy was great, it just didn't include the tiny parcel they currently claim. (Genesis 16-17). Abraham pre-dates his grandson, Jacob/Israel, and the Creator of the Land gave the covenant to Abraham's second son, Issac. It's in print, made by blood covenant; irrevocable- Genesis 15.

Any other narrative is fiction.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

Bob
nice excuse for keeping your land and not paying a land lease to the natives

ericw
slc, UT

make Palestine a country,stop giving Palestine's aid money to Isreal so they can be self sufficient. build a wall between the 2 countries, share Jerusalem and stop the blockades and allow the palistian to fish in there own ocean without running into the warships. and quit running over young Utah girls with bulldozers that are protesting[this was a while back] and the rockets will stop because they have no reason to fire them. truth is both countries will always hate each other but, at least they can live side by side without fear

jsf
Centerville, UT

Gaza was not occupied prior to the 6 day war when arab nations attempted to destroy Israel. The West Bank, Sinai, and Golan Heights were taken to provide defensive positions. Sinai was traded back for peace, the Gaza was returned to Palestinians in an attempt at gaining peace, The UN tried to create a Palestinian state but was turned down and the 1948 conflict took place. Palestinians removed themselves from Israel because they thought the Arabs could wipe them out. Arabs treat Palestinians as sub class citizens in Jordan, Syria, Lebenon, and Egypt. Why is that?

Kora
Cedar Hills, UT

Goddess divine- Do you know anything about the current situation at all? Hamas is actually a ruling political party with a military wing. Your attempt to separate them from the government is faulty as they are the government. Even if they were not, if the government was not willing to stop them, why should Israel be left an open target.

Bob- the Palestinians today are not really the same as those that were there before Islam. Most of these Palestinians are Muslims, and a faction of them believe the ideology that all non-Muslims must do one of the following: Convert to Islam, leave, pay taxes to them, or be killed. This is what ISIS is doing in Iraq. None of those options is acceptable to the Israelis, and we should not expect them to acquiesce to those demands. Preferably Hamas supports the convert or die more than anything else.

Furry1993
Ogden, UT

From their own mouths -- just a couple I found, there are more):

The removal of the Arab inhabitants ... was voluntary and was carried out at our request ... The Arab delegation proudly asked for the evacuation of the Arabs and their removal to the neighboring Arab countries.... We are very glad to state that the Arabs guarded their honour and traditions with pride and greatness.[/I]
-- Arab National Committee of Haifa, in a memorandum to the Arab States. Cited by J.B. Schechtman, The Arab Refugee Problem (New York: Philosophical Library, 1952), pp. 8-9; also see Al-Zaman, Baghdad journal, April 27, 1950

Since 1948 it is we who demanded the return of the refugees ... while it is we who made them leave.... We brought disaster upon ... Arab refugees, by inviting them and bringing pressure to bear upon them to leave.... We have rendered them dispossessed.... We have accustomed them to begging.... We have participated in lowering their moral and social level.... Then we exploited them in executing crimes of murder, arson, and throwing bombs upon ... men, women and children-all this in the service of political purposes.
-- Khalid abn-Azm, Prime Minister of Syria in his 1972 memoirs

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