Published: Friday, Aug. 1 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT
Paul Krugman has won the Nobel Prize for Economics, but his thoughts on this
matter can apparently be minimized since he's "left-wing."Stay classy, DN...
It looks like a plan worth considering. This is the type of plan that
Obama's bipartisan commission, Simpson Bowles, recommended. This plan may
moderately ease the welfare costs by streamlining programs and allowing states
to customize to the needs of the welfare constituents better and the people will
be getting served better. We need to look at the tax code too and streamline
some similar problems there. Some tax cuts need to be allowed to expire or
Mr. Ryan’s best idea is an expansion of the earned-income tax credit. This
program currently costs $59 billion per year, and has a proven track record of
helping poor families. But the current plan offers a paltry assistance to adult
workers with no children. "Mr. Ryan would remedy that by doubling the
maximum annual credit for such workers to $1,005 and lowering the eligibility
age from 25 to 21. It’s nearly identical to a proposal in President
Obama’s 2015 budget that would have cost roughly $60 billion over 10
years."One of the issues that have caused concern is Mr.
Ryan's suggestion to combine many of the current federal assistance
programs - food stamps, housing, etc.) into block grants to be administered by
the states. If that seems like an unfounded cause of concern - that some states
don't care enough about their poor citizens - consider that 24 states are
currently denying over 5.0M of their citizens access to healthcare insurance
because those state governments refuse to participate in the Medicaid expansion
program under the ACA. Thankfully Mr. Ryan suggests that his program be started
with pilot programs in only a few states. Let's see what happens.
Anything that involves helping anyone other than the rich is not going to be
accepted by the republican party. The "dog eat dog and my value system is
the correct one" mentality of republicans will never allow any type of
assistance program. These programs do allow people a chance to grow.
We need plans. Kudos to Ryan for putting something out there.Any
plan, regardless of author or party, should be viewed and reviewed with an open
mind.Is this a good plan or a bad plan? I dont know. But it
should be given a fair review by all.
" What’s noteworthy is this plan is a critical starting point for a
much-needed bipartisan dialogue about poverty. "Really? " .
. . this plan is the starting point? . . . for a much-needed bipartisan
dialogue about poverty?HuhDemocrats have been and are
very much aware of poverty, and the growing income disparity . . . And the
continuing downward slide of the middle class ever since Reaganomics was
enacted. But DN claims Ryan's plan is the starting point for
dialogue on the subject?Well . . . whatever.I wonder
what's included in the plan? . . . The complete elimination of
Reaganomics? That, at least, would make some sense.Trickle Down
economics was supposed to create jobs. WHERE are the jobs?It's
time to bump taxes for high earners back up to pre-Reagan levels.Remember the good old days? . . . When the nation had enough money to pay
it's bills? . . . And the poor and working class had a solid shot at upward
mobility?That all came to a halt with the implementation of
Kudos to Ryan for trying to move the discussion forward.
If it requires people work for what they receive, Democrats will oppose it!
It's essentially the same plan he touts every year! Tax cuts
for the rich.Tax increases on the poor and middle-class.Oh
joy... Cuz trickle down has worked soooooooo well...
There may be parts of the Ryan plan worthy of discussion and consideration.
It's too bad that the Republicans refuse to talk, compromise or otherwise
seek solutions to any problem. Ryan has contributed to this intransigence, so
if his ideas go nowhere, he should look in the mirror.
LOU Montana and Mountanman - I just wanted to suggest that your positions on
either end of the spectrum are NOT helping to move the discussion in a positive
direction. Stop for a minute, take a breath, and consider what the other side
is saying. You just might find something you can agree with. Then you have a
starting point for further discussion.Happy Friday to both of you.
Re "anti-poverty plan should be welcomed to world stage"... But it
won't.Because that's the problem with America today. You
can't acknowledge ANYTHING positive (from the OTHER party).=================Re: "In announcing his program, Ryan
highlighted Utah Sen. Mike Lee’s supportive efforts in combating
poverty"...Wait a minute... isn't Mike Lee the guy Real
Maverick and others blast for having removed a great man (Bob Bennett) from
office??? I don't remember Bob Bennett working for the poor... I remember
him working for the banks, and Wallstreet...==============Maybe, just MAYBE... Tea Party people aren't as EEEVIL as Maverick
"If it requires people work for what they receive, Democrats will oppose
it!"That statement is pure nonsense.
"Re: "In announcing his program, Ryan highlighted Utah Sen. Mike
Lee’s supportive efforts in combating poverty"..."And
what specifically has Lee done to combat poverty?Prevent
unemployment benefits from being extended?Raised their tax rates (while
fighting to keep those earning $200k+ low)?Shut down the government?I want to see specific examples of Lee fighting for Utahns. I remember
him being a disaster while I lived in Utah. And from what family members have
told me, he's been nothing but a disaster since.
@ One old Man: Are government welfare recipients required to work for what they
receive? Forcing some people to work for what they will not receive so others
can receive what they didn't work for used to be called slavery! The LDS
church's welfare program encourages members to voluntarily fast for two
meal and donate the costs of those two meals to the poor who are then required
to work for what they received! Perfect system! No overhead, abuses are
eliminated and the truly needy are helped and eliminates dependency!
I don't know the details of the plan, but one thing I do know, Paul Ryan
really cares about this issue. Amazing to see this man who should have been the
Vice President and compare him the the laughable Biden. Hopefully one day soon,
serious politicians, like Ryan, from both sides will be in power to really solve
these major problems. That won't happen for at least two more election
cycles. Gary OI just gotta ask. Reaganomics?
Your're still believing that Reagans economics (which by the way worked
pretty well in the 80s) are still in play? We've had since Reagan,
President Bush, who had a mild recession that was called the worst economy in 50
years. Which led to Clinton, who actually worked with the Republicans (unlike
Obama) to get things done such as welfare reform, and had a pretty good 90s
economy. Then W who come on when another mild recession was beginning, followed
by a huge 911 downturn. He did pretty well getting us out with about a 4%
unemployment rate. And then we get. OBAMANOMICS. The longest recession in
modern times. Reagan? That was like 25 years ago. Get current please.
@Atlas Smashed,RE: "And what specifically has Lee done to combat
poverty?"...Google "Mike Lee's war against poverty -
The Washington Post"....Or "Sen. Lee urges conservatives to lead
fight against poverty"...Or "Tea Party's Mike Lee leads
unlikely Republican push against poverty"...Or "Sen. Lee urges
conservatives to lead fight against poverty"...Just because YOU
don't know about it... doesn't mean it doesn't exist.==================Contrary to popular Democrat myth... Extending
Unemployment Benefits... isn't the ONLY thing we can do to help the poor.
SOME people have bigger, better, and more long lasting plans...================You and your family may think he's a
disaster.... but is it possible that you are blind to anything positive he
does??? Many Utahns don't agree with you and your family.
Polls indicate he WILL be re-elected.==============This
"blindly attack anybody with tea party ties" thing has to stop. At
least know what you're talking about before you attack them!
"This "blindly attack anybody with tea party ties" thing has to
stop."Good idea. However, lets broaden the statement to reflect
the overall issue.This "blindly attack the "other"
party, or any ideas that come from the "other" party." thing has to
@ 2 litsYou didn't answer the question. As someone who studied
law before ultimately obtaining a MBA at the University of Utah, you did
something that's called "redirecting."If you worked for
me in Santa Monica and I asked you specifics and you gave me headlines,
you'd be out of a job. In the real life business world, when you boss gives
you an assignment, you need to do it. Generalizations and Wikipedia sites and
Washington Post headlines don't prove anything.Posting a few
headlines didn't answer the question. I want you to specifically tell me
what Mike Lee has done to combat poverty. Headlines don't prove anything. I
want you to mention specific policies he helped to pass and how they
specifically helped a specific number of people. This shows that you truly know
and understand the topic at hand. If you cannot do this in your next post then
I'll calmly accept your surrender.
KJB1 said,"Paul Krugman has won the Nobel Prize for
Economics"Like it's really hard to win a Nobel. Just ask
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