Published: Friday, Aug. 1 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT
Thomas F Meagher once famously said "The purpose of welfare is to sustain
life, not a lifestyle. " That is exactly the problem: welfare has become a
means of propping up lifestyles, rather than for the emergency, temporary
measure it was intended to be.No one can be truly happy when they
are living on the government dole. Happiness comes from self-reliance and
self-sufficiency. If the current left-wing administration really cared about the
happiness of the citizens, it would teach them that principle.From
the Beginning, it was declared that man must earn his bread by the sweat of his
own brow. We must return to following that declaration.
As long as this applies to corporations as well!Right?Remember how Fox News blasted that surfer who was on food stamps?Yet, they celebrate all the tax subsidies, grants, and "welfare"
corporations are getting. We empower them and how do they repay us?They buy a foreign company they claim that their foreign company actually owns
them. That way, they get out of paying any American taxes. This is called
inversion and Fox News recently reported it and not one person on that entire
channel criticized this practice.In other words, a few hundred
dollars per year for a surfer on food stamps? Outrageous! We need to reform the
system immediately to fix this problem!Billions lost on corporate
welfare? Meh! Not a big deal.If you haven't seen Colbert or
Stewart report this, then you should.
Good letter. A graduated program would make all kinds of sense.
JCS, you completely missed the point of this letter.You are also
completely missing the point of the teachings given in The Sermon on the Mount
and a bunch of other places by the man for whom our church is named.
Whose family is on welfare? Whose neighbor is on welfare? Whose friends are
are welfare?Our family helps each other. Our neighbors help each
other. Our friends help each other. Government has no responsibility to care
for our personal needs; that is a duty of the people, not of the State.
Mike Richards said: 'Whose family is on welfare? Whose neighbor is on
welfare? Whose friends are are welfare?Our family helps each other. Our
neighbors help each other. Our friends help each other. Government has no
responsibility to care for our personal needs; that is a duty of the people, not
of the State."Well then your not doing your job, so the state
has to step in and help.Oh yeah you always forget that "We are
the government, local and nationally, and you can't possible know the needs
of everyone in your community, nor would you help, without certain conditions
you or your religion would require.It's no longer the 18th century,
we are not a frontier nation, you are not a closed community in the wilderness.
"Whose family is on welfare? Whose neighbor is on welfare? Whose friends are
are welfare?"Good questions.Many of us might be very
surprised to discover that a lot of our neighbors and the people we see at
church every Sunday are, in fact, receiving some sort of government
assistance.Whose family is on welfare?Some of yours could
be.Whose neighbor is on welfare?Some of your may be.Whose friends are on welfare?Some of yours might be.And if
they are not on welfare right now, there's a chance they have been in the
past. Or will be in the future.
Welfare Reform has worked in the past.It worked under Bill Clinton!
Remember Newt Gengrich and the "Contract with America"??? Google it.It worked! But reform doesn't last forever. "Reform" is
usually temporary. And the forces that got you there the first time... are
eventually going to get you there again... and you need to "Reform"
again. It's just the way social systems are.We are at the
point where we need to reform again. But it will have to wait until Barack
Obama is out of office. Because he believes Saul Alinsky and his theories.
Google it. It's where we are headed today... and where the Progressive
movement WANTS us to go.I will go kicking and fighting the whole way
down... Who knows... maybe we will come to our senses before it's too
late. We worked in 1994... it could work again!Remember... the Saul
Alinsky plan is not to IMPROVE our CURRENT Government. It's designed to
overwhelm and COLLAPSE our Government... so the people will BEG for them to
replace it with something better (Which the Progressives would claim is
Old man conveniently ignores the fact that nothing in the New Testament
advocates laziness, sloth, and living off the hard work of others. Rather, man
is instructed that he has a duty to work to provide for himself and his family.
That is irrefutable fact!
I know CORPORATIONS [who are now supposed to be "people" too, right?]
who have been on welfare for a few DECADES. It amazes me how people
like this go after a woman with kids trying to feed her family with food stamps,
Completely ignores the Corporate Welfare Queens receiving $100's of
BILLIONS of dollars in Free hand outs, while still making $100's of
Billions in profits, and not paying taxes.But go ahead, write
and complain about your neighbor, and keep voting for those you support
those who TRULY are taking advantage of and milking the system a Trillion times
I know it won't happen, and certainly I've said it before, but a
single payer health system would be one major component of making this happen.
Seriously people... you need to stop the ANTI Corporation comments.Corporations as well as Small Businesses gets all types of help from the
Government. But they also provides a lot of Tax base for Government, they
provide employment for people who in turn pays taxes.The letter
writer has a good thought, my sister was in a situation where she needed help
because of her husband actions (which she had no control). Sorry Mike Richards,
but the family was not in a position to help, so she went on welfare to help
raise her son. She worked hard to go to school and get the education she needed
to improve her life, like the letter writer, my sister was penalized for
improving her situation.I also have thought that if they had a
graduated rate of help as the person improved their income, would help them get
back on their feet more firmly.Mike Richards.... IF you truly
believe that then you do not understand the teaching of your church leaders.
It's called enslavement. The Governments whole goal is to get everybody
dependant on them. They do not want you to get off welfare and they make it
almost impossible to do so.
One of the most pathetic things that I've ever heard was "the family
was not in a position to help". NO ONE would ever be in a position to help
if they first counted their pennies, totalled up their dreams and then saw that
if they kept a brother or sister or aunt or uncle from starving, that they
couldn't buy that new car or take that nice vacation. Needs
come before wants. Wants come before desires. There is enough and to spare to
take care of the needs of everyone but there will never be enough to take care
of greed.I've spent a few hours reading some of the
demographics between Republicans and Democrats. Republicans give 30% more to
charity than Democrats but Democrats earn more money than Republicans.
Democrats demand that government pay for personal welfare. Republicans believe
in working for their own welfare.If we don't have money enough
to help family, friends and neighbors, just where will we find the $150,000 it
costs for wages, benefits and office space to hire a social worker to administer
There has never been a better demonstration of "privilege" than has been
posted here this morning. Point, Welfare from the 80's is non-existent.
Welfare lifestyle is a myth. Reagan's stereotype of welfare mom's was
a myth and a lie. Point, the state administers aid to the poor. Who is the
state? Government is those friends, neighbors and family members that Mr
Richards feels so adamantly about. We have SNAP, welfare, Medicaid because those
non official friends, neighbors and family members don't help. It is that
simple. Taxes to support the disadvantaged is nothing more than you and Mr
Richards paying your share to assist these neighbors needing help and despite
your attitudes, Utah has more than it's share. It's that simple. If
you think that your churches, whichever they may be are covering the needs you
are sadly underestimating the problem. "Privilege is when you think
something is not a problem because it's not a problem to you
HutteriteDon't worry, the way things seem to be going is toward
a single payer system. As it is, when anyone get medicade, medicare, Obamacare,
ect. it is all government money, and therefore, in practice, a single payer
system. Single payer systems are fine for those who don't have any other
means. Just don't ruin the private payer health system by requiring
everyone to be forced onto a single payer (read government) health system. That
is what we opponents of ACA are worried about. As for a welfare
system. Well, I'm going to have to shamelessly wave the LDS flag on this.
They generally require something back from anyone receiving assistance, unless
the persons are not physically capable of giving such. Remember, Workfare?
That is largely how the LDS Church operates its system. And some states have
put it into practice too. That way people will not let the "natural
man" take over and enslave them. The natural man, by the way, is the basic
human nature of being lazy. If you enable that human charactistic, you end up
with the welfare queen, or king. God knows better, and thus the LDS program
Wow.. Mike Richards.... REALLY? you think that everyone just needs to count
pennies and they could help their other families members?One of the
most pathetic comments I have ever heard is this one MIKE: "that they
couldn't buy that new car or take that nice vacation. Seriously
mike as member of the LDS Church I am highly offended...For you
information Mike, My father never owned a new car, never went on a
"Nice" vacation. Most of our vacations were camping because it was the
least expensive thing to do back then. My also became the bread winner for his
family at 17 years old, because his father passed away suddenly, he had to quit
school in order to feed his mother and 5 siblings. So never finished school.He married a women who had four children already, he worked 60hrs a week
to support them. He made sure we were taken care of, but we never had extra.
EVER!I am highly offended that You Mike have dishonored the memory
of a man who taught me more about being Christ like and helping others even
though he was not a member of the LDS church.
@Mike Richards -- Just curious, How many "others" are
you personally helping out?And don't give me the old 'I
WOULD do it, if the Government wasn't already taking from me and giving it
to them" malarkey.BTW -- Pretty tough words coming from someone
who less than 2-3 years from being on "Welfare" himself.Are
you coming to be collecting Social Security, Medicare, etc.?orare
your neighbors, friends and Family going to be there for you?
According to the CATO Institute, the Federal Government has over 126 different
welfare/anti-poverty programs. Federal welfare spending increased from $200
billion in 1976 to over $600 billion in 2009. Total welfare spending went from
$250 billion in 1976 to over $950 billion in 2009. Annual spending per person in
poverty went from $7,000 in 1976 to $20,000 in 2011 (adjusted to reflect 2011
dollars). Welfare spending went from 2% of GDP in 1965 to 6% in 2001. In 2010,
with the poverty threshold for a family of three at $18,530, government spent
$59,233 per family of three.We still have people in poverty.The system is not working.There is no accountability. There
is no expectation for self-sufficiency. There's only the clamour that some
"rich REPUBLICAN" pay for it.FDR, LBJ and Obama are wrong.
Welfare is fueling the need for even more welfare.
Exactly right Mike...as usual! I love it when the crowd who screams separation
of church and state, and piously preaches to us about how conservatives can just
keep their morals to themselves, but when it comes to themselves, they like to
start quoting and interpreting scripture in order to impose their morals on the
rest of us. Fascinating! It really comes down to lifestyle
choices. Families can help each other, if they really want to. Don't give
us the lame excuse question about whether any of us are helping needy family
members right now. That proves Nothing. Who is going to be satisfied with
someone paying their rent and giving them a nutritious meal, when welfare offers
so much more in the way of candy soda and cash to buy cable tv and cell
phones? Since so many cities are now moving towards the
"livable" minimum wage, I think we might as well scrap the welfare
system anyway. Social Security and Medicare are totally different arguments.
Mike and all the rest of us have had portions of our paychecks confiscated every
month just for the purpose of our future retirement. Why would we not take that
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