It's all about the O line. If they are solid, it will be a great year, and
just as important, it will set the Cougars up for excellent years to come.
Here's hoping that the time Bronco has spent with the offensive players
will translate into some of that defensive "nasty" transplanted into the
big guys up front.Go Cougars!
"Can BYU put together a special season?"Any team can put
together a special season, what BYU fans want is for a "special season"
to happen more often than not! We are happy that BYU has been a good
team for years now we want BYU to make that transition to a consistently great
Sure looks like Holmoe and byu set up this schedule for the sole purpose of
getting as many gimme wins as possible. With one of the worst schedules in the
entire nation, if they cant have a "special season" with this schedule,
when WOULD they?LOL!
I really wish the local news media would stop over-hyping the BYU season.. Yes,
I'm a BYU fan as most know. It's getting ridiculous and just makes
karma all the more likely. Just stop! If this does have any chance of being a
great season it will be because they stay humble and work their tails off
playing with a chip on their should to prove themselves to the P5 teams.
Still don't understand why the negative comments. This will be a special
season with impressive wins over nationally recognized programs like Texas and
Boise State and up-and-comers like Central Florida and Utah State.With the bowl win I'm seeing a 12-1 season and a set up for a run at the
FIELD OF FOUR in 2015.Wahoo!Goooooooooooo Cougars
They can maybe hang with anyone, but they can't beat anyone. Win at Texas
and Boise and they can really be something special.
A special season would require a much stronger schedule.And everyone
I hope it is all true, but after ten years we can see that there will never be a
great or creative offense under Bronco. Deep down they are still the team that
could not score a touchdown against Boise.
I'm a huge BYU football fan, but I couldn't stand to read this
article. Every year, BYU talks as if it is going to have a "special
season." I cannot remember one single year, ever, when at least some BYU
footballer isn't quoted as mentioning the possibility of a national
championship.To me, this spells failure on at least 2 levels. First,
it is a failure of reasonable expectation management. Why is this important?
Because talk like this sets the expectation that nothing less that an undefeated
season is a successful season, and that is nonsense. (2) Premature (and
frankly, unjustifiable) talk of a national championship from a sports psychology
perspective is harmful. Players perform better when they go in to a game with
something to prove (for example, BYU playing Texas last year after the
embarassment in Virginia). My advice to BYU players? Shut up and go
out and win. You have done nothing in the past 4 years to suggest the team
belongs anywhere near the national championship conversation, so shut up about
it. Just go out and play with something to prove. Stop congratulating
yourselves on how awesome you think you're going to be.
Regardless of how special the season is, they will end the season ranked
substantially higher than the team up north and they will go to a bowl game
unlike the team up north who will once again be making a coaching change and
spouting about how wonderful it is to be the basement dweller of the PAC-12.
Wayne-- Might want to check the scores on the last 2 times Utah played BSU-- if
you are a Utah fan, that is. Otherwise, BYU managed to score plenty of
TD's against BSU last year.
Yes. They no longer have their guarantee lose against Utah on their
schedule.They are already 8-0, they just need 4 more wins over
@Texas, @UCF, @Boise State, and Utah State. If they beat Texas, the go 12-0,
Jeff,This article has been written several times this summer. The troll
comments are more of the same, too.
A better question is "Should Tom Holmoe schedule more special
seasons?"BYU is faced with a choice of trying to be a P5
independent, or being the best of the non-P5's. Playing like a P5 is a
great challenge that can quickly ruin a "special season" and cost bowl
eligibility.Playing to be "best of the rest" would be much
more fun for fans. Loaded for wins, blowouts against lesser teams, and a
sprinkling of victories over the "mighty" P5s... that has great appeal.
North Dakota State could be a good model for BYU football. NDSU has
been the FCS national champion for 3 years in a row. They're fans love
having special seasons. They've found a place where they can dominate.
Winning is fun, so they don't worry about moving up to the next level.
With the cake schedule they gave themselves and an guaranteed bowl, they would
have to be absolutely ridiculous to make an "appearance" of
perfection.This might be the year to bring back their "Quest for
The so called basement dwellers of the PAC-12 make more money than if they had
stayed in the top of the Mountain West, beating the team down south over and
over and over and over again.The games are much more interesting. If
you want a high school game, you go out Friday nights or to a team down south
game. If you want a high level college game, then you go the Rice Eccles Stadium
and see the top teams in the nation compete.The team down south and
her fan base just doesn't get it. Most of those fans are just closet Utah
fans, that go home and watch the real games after their team takes a 40 point
lead over a rural high school team in the third quarter.....
@Ex Patria CougarI agree 100%. Talk is cheap. If you're good
nothing needs to be said.
When you play teams who's winning average in total is 41 percent its a very
very special season. I remember when kids in elementary school were told they
were special I remember thinking to myself "that's not a good
thing", I was like 7 at the time. Does BYU have potential for a
"special" season. Yep, they sure do! While they're at it, they
should try and go for "most unique" at preference.
This years BYU schedule is at least as good as Utah's 2008 schedule that
pushed the undefeated Utes into the top 5 in the final poll that year. Alabama
and Oregon St. were the only good "power 5" teams on the schedule that
year and TCU was good but not great. The rest (including BYU) were mediocre at
best and terrible at worst. So with Utah's stellar model to emulate
I'd say that if the Cougs run the table in 2014 they should finish top 5
with possible shot at a major bowl game. If any Utah fan disagrees with that
they must be saying 2008 was a fluke. In any case, it beats the bottom of the
PAC12 South division
Ted, the problem with your suggestion is that there are never two top teams in
the nation playing in RES on the same day. Let us know when that happens but you
might want to have one of your grand kids carry out that request because anyone
alive today will not be alive when and if that were to ever happen.
I love the annual preseason "This Is Our Year" hype that comes from
Provo. Honestly, can you blame them? It's all or nothing for them down
there. They have to talk about going undefeated because once that first loss
comes, the outcome of the season is predetermined. The entire season is based
on 4 games, lose one and it's all over. That's why being in a P5
conference is so awesome, the season isn't over with one loss. The Utes
will play most of the season with at least a chance to win the division. Is it
likely? No, but at least there is something to play for. BYU's something
to play for is over once that first loss comes in September. Enjoy that awesome
November schedule, I am sure it will be exciting.
Hypocrisy: Utah fans using the *exact* arguments they opposed in 2004 and 2008.
For BYU to have a special season they have to win every game. If they do, they
will be in a New Year's bowl game. For the u to have a special season,
they must at least get 3 wins in conference play. They still won't have a
bowl game. The u is in over their heads and everybody knows it.
While BYU does have a few challenging road games on their schedule, I think they
can certainly win 10 or 11 games and could go undefeated with some lucky breaks
on the road. Especially since they don't have to face the Utes!
Dww722 "This years BYU schedule is at least as good as Utah's 2008
schedule that pushed the undefeated Utes into the top 5 in the final poll that
year. "Yes,compared to current schedules the Utes had an easier
schedule then. What they did with it was go undefeated just as they did several
years prior. Come talk to us after BYU goes undefeated with their easy
schedule. It's very easy to predict "special" seasons in August.
However, come December the predictions will be over and you're left with
what you did on the field.
@Y ask Y - I completely agree. When the article itself says BYU is set up with
a softer than usual schedule...how does it become special when it's softer
than usual? 1996 was a special season. 1984 was a special season. 1990 was a
special season. I seriously doubt this one can be special, even winning out.
I'd love to see it but doubt it. Now, a strong 2015 season could be a
If any non "P5 CONFERENCE SCHOOL" (especially BYU) runs the table and
goes undefeated this year they WILL be playing in a major bowl game this year.
You can mark it down and count on it right now !
BYU's schedule is weak, no doubt about that. According to Phil Steele, our
schedule ranks 97th out of 128 teams. Utah's is 11th. Good luck with
that. But with Alabama is at 95 and Oklahoma is at 93, is 97 really worth
I mostly want to see BYU embarrass teams from the ACC and SEC.They
don't think BYU is a power team. That will change when they can't
lick the Cougars.
@311uteBoy it sure would be something to put up a "pac12 south
division champions" banner. Kinda like putting up a '2nd place
secondary divison' banner or else a 'thanks for participating'
banner. Just the pride in putting up a banner like that cannot be described, it
would cause such euphoria on the hill, I mean just think about it how
presitigious it would be to be the winner of one half of a conference? It would
be almost as good as the banner they currently have hanging on res that
say's "ranked 2nd" I mean "we're #2" is what most
programs should aspire to and when you are #2 you should definitely hang up a
banner. It will really impress everyone to see that "south
division champions" banner when it finally does happen one day. lol
@Y Ask YProvo, UTA special season would require a much
stronger schedule.And everyone knows it.-----------What? No it does not, see 1984.
It's pretty much done every years.
"This years BYU schedule is at least as good as Utah's 2008 schedule
that pushed the undefeated Utes into the top 5 in the final poll that year.
Alabama and Oregon St. were the only good 'power 5' teams on the
schedule that year and TCU was good but not great."We beat four
teams finishing ranked, including two in the top-10, one of which spent a large
chunk of the season at #1 [Alabama]. Tcu was the other team finishing in the
top-10. Also, we went undefeated and placed a bunch of kids off of that team
into The Nfl. '14 byu will never produce such talent at the next level,
will play against a significantly weaker schedule and won't go undefeated.
This comparison is utterly insane.
How do we 'make some noise nationally' if 1) BYU is not in the SEC, 2)
Bronco and his inability to get his team prepared for big games and any game
after a week off is still the coach, 3) Robert Anae is still the OC (let's
surprise them with a run up the middle on first down), and 4) they become un-BYU
like and do not let up if/when we get a big lead (the more points, the more
"Every year, BYU talks as if it is going to have a "special season."
. . .To me, this spells failure . . . of reasonable expectation
management." ex patria cougar:Finally, a clear-eyed
assessment from a real Cougar fan. Many--even some Utah fans--sympathize with
your viewpoint.However, two huge problems regarding managing Y fan
expectations are independence and the pre-arranged lower-tier bowl tie-in.
Coupled with a schedule that all but guarantees bowl qualification, this leaves
the only goals the program can aspire to is a top tier bowl game and/or a
national championship. No division titles or conference titles to shoot for, and
no steady diet of strong teams to truly measure against. So, when the first loss
sets in, whenever it happens, top-tier bowl possibilities are virtually gone.
Fan interest will wane, team morale may suffer, and everyone goes through the
motions of playing out the season without hope for more. And even if BYU were to
run the table, without the cachet of a P5 conference or a strong schedule an
undefeated season is no guarantee of a top-tier bowl or playoff spot.That would be tough for any fan base.
Sounds good to me.The hype is refreshing...running the table, any
table, will be great. Hope you all can go, fly, or drive to the homecoming game.
Not to worry, I'm sure ESPN will be all over that one if you can't
make the trip.
I'm a huge BYU fan but my immediate reaction to the comment that the team
can hang with anyone was a memory of the beat downs by the Utes on us in the
last few years. BYU certainly didn't hang with them in those two lopsided
@Rufus Firefly"I hardly think BYU will have a "special season"
playing the weak schedule they're playing. I read yesterday that BYU ranks
97th in college football in terms of strength of schedule. There were only 100
teams listed on the rankings. On the other hand, the Utes have been ranked 11th
on the list, so their competition is much stronger. And people like
"Pipes" who post about the Utes being basement dwellers in the Pac-12,
that's just ridiculous...To suggest that BYU would fare better than the
Utes if given the same strength of schedule is a PIPE dream"----------Gee...don't be bitter Rufus. Great on you for the
#11 SOS, we'll give you a "Thanks for Participating" trophy at the
end of the season picnic after you lose to Colorado, get your HC fired, and are
the doormat again in the Pac12.As for BYU faring better in the
Pac12, Bronco is 9-6 vs the Pac12 (excluding Utah) and Kyle is 13-21 and vs
common teams Bronco has gone 9-6 and Kyle 10-14.
@SoonerUteBYU is faced with a choice of trying to be a P5
independent, or being the best of the non-P5's. Playing like a P5 is a
great challenge that can quickly ruin a "special season" and cost bowl
eligibility.-----------It worked out well last year for
Holmoe. He scheduled 4 teams that began the season ranked in the top 25 (Boise,
Texas, ND and Wisc) but not all were ranked by the time BYU played them. Still,
BYU finished with the #38 SOS, ahead of Alabama, nearly the entire ACC, most of
the Big12 and B1G and several PAC/SEC teams.That was a perfect mix
of good to decent teams. The only crappy teams (non-bowl teams) on the schedule
were Utah, Idaho St, Virginia and Nevada, the rest all went bowling. I think TH has it figured out, next year ('15) looks better than '13
with BYU opening the season @ Nebraska, Boise St, @ UCLA and @ Michigan.The only thing you really need from your schedule is for it to be
respectable. It's not very bright to over-schedule, lose most of the games
and get your Head Coach fired. There is no SOS trophy.
A special season, hmm. Not sure how a season can be special when there are so
many cupcakes on the schedule. Oh Provo fans will be delusional, due to high
stats, and great record. But the truth is to be special, it has to be
satisfying, and having amazing stats and record are already predicted. Special
means you did something nobody thought you could do. Injuries are huge in
college football, Taysom is one play away from handing the reigns over to whom?
Nobody is experienced. Since Hill struggles to throw, he has to run, and he does
that fairly well, but hit after hit, he is lucky he didn't go down last
year. Two years in a row? The percentages are not in his favor.
@UteologyYes. They no longer have their guarantee lose against Utah on
their schedule.They are already 8-0, they just need 4 more wins over
@Texas, @UCF, @Boise State, and Utah State. If they beat Texas, the go 12-0,
else 10-2.------------I agree with you. Turns out that
Kyle's ducking and running from the rivalry will benefit BYU this year.
Utah usually does a great job playing the spoiler role and could've helped
ruin BYU's chance for a special season. They blew their opportunity to have
at least one game on the schedule they had a chance to feel good about.As for the game being a guaranteed loss, Kyle does seem to have Bronco's
number. But I think the unintended consequence of his dominating the rivalry has
been at the expense of conference games.A new head coach will change
that culture but shifting the focus off of BYU and onto conference games will
come at the expense of the "absolutely HAVE to win or else" attitude
advantage Utah possesses in the BYU game every year. The game will cease to be a
guarantee after Kyle is gone.
Can BYU have a special season? It's certainly set up to be. BYU has
resolved depth and talent issues & added elite speed across the board. BYU
also has an experienced QB with elite NFL athleticism who has made major leaps
in his passing skills.The reason I don't think they will is
because with all of these changes, improvements and upgrades there's one
important area that we haven't heard if there's been any change or
improvmeent and that's the philosophy of the coaching staff.It's still Bronco at HC who is slow to prepare his teams and has started
5 of his 9 seasons going 1-2 (very easily could've been 7 of 9). It's still Bronco who has a bad habit of punting from his opponents 30 yd
line. It's still Bronco who has a bad habit of letting up in
games, losing the momentum and taking his foot off the gas in the 3rd
quarter.It's still Bronco who eases up on his team and cancels
practices so the team can go to the waterpark and play instead of using that
time to prepare for a big game.That hasn't changed.
Alpiner, Which byu-utah games have you been watching lately ? In the last 5
years there was 1 lopsided win. The other 4 years , 23-21 byu , 17-16 utah ,
24-21 utah , 20-13 utah . Yes, of course the U has had the upper hand but saying
lbeat downs . I think not !
Cheering for BYU, I sometimes have to stop and think which sport we are talking
about after reading the title like that above. Just stop and think about how
special the many sports teams we have. I am sure glad that we do not go to OSU (
One Sport U). To have to look forward to just one sport each and every year
would be depressing. Volleyball, Football, Basketball, Rugby, etc, etc, etc and
to have all of them being talked about Nationally is just wonderful.It is a wonderful life and time to be a Cougar fan. So many sports to be
Nationally ranked in along with so many individual accolades to look to.Go Cougars !
@John in SLCNo division titles or conference titles to shoot for------------The only reason teams care about winning a division
title or conference title isn't for the title itself, rather it's the
opportunity that is tied to it, an upper tier bowl game. utah was eliminated
from a division title very early in their conference schedule after losing to
UCLA etc. With certain losses like ASU, USC, Oregon, AZ etc still on the
schedule (and an improved Wash St) most experts were writing off even a bowl
game for UtahFor BYU their conference title is going undefeated or
being a one loss team to a very good opponent early in the season and having
quality opponents on the schedule like Boise St, Notre Dame, Wisconsin etc gives
fans a lot to get up for throughout the season. Even though BYU only
went 8-5 last year there was tons of fan interest in those games late into the
season and then also gearing up for a bowl game and a quality opponent in that
game. I highly doubt there's any fan interest for ute fans
gearing up for their annual Couch Potato Bowl.
I read these comments and they are all ridiculous. Let's be honest for a
minute. I am a BYU fan. If BYU doesn't win at least 10 games this season
is a major disappointment. Now with that said BYU has no chance whatsoever of
going to the new playoff system nor winning a national championship. Utah on
the other hand will be lucky to go to a bowl game. They do not have the talent
at the skill positions to compete in the Pac12. BYU would probably be no better
than Utah in the Pac12. Neither BYU or Utah are very good when compared to the
top talent in the country. This year I would give the Cougs a leg up on the
Utes solely because Taysom and Jamall will win games and BYU has an easier
schedule. Either way BYU fans let's be realistic and Utah fans being in
the Pac12 only goes so far. You have to win some games for that to be relevant.
Start winning some games and be relevant then we can talk, but until then you
are no more relevant than BYU.
Come on U trolls, let just stop the SOS talk now . I do realize that this is all
you are going to be able to hang your hat on at seasons end but it really means
absolutely nothing ! Here's the Y,s company at 97. Oklahoma @ 93 and
Alabama @ 95. These teams ranked 2 and 3 in the national preseason polls !
Florida st. Won a national championship with a 65 preseason SOS . No trophy,s
or bowl games are given out for the toughest SOS . The simple equation is just
WIN games or sit home!
BYU has the best chance of being a 10 win ranked team at seasons end than they
have had in quite some time. If they somehow manage to win all their games it
would be even better.As for the schedule, this is a top-notch
schedule much better than what the Cougars had prior to independence. They have
five highly meaningful opponents/games and seven bowl teams on the docket. In
the past they were lucky to have two or three. Houston, Texas, Boise State,
UCF, USU are all going to be great. MTS should be once again near the top of
their conference. Nevada and UNLV are likely flip-flopping on who will be bowl
eligible. The bad games are Cal, VA and UConn. However I am excited
to see all three. I expect they will improve in the win column by a win or two.
Let's be honest for a minute. I am a BYU fan. I never post on articles,
but I cannot take it anymore. BYU has a cakewalk schedule this year. If they
don't go at least 10-2 it is a disappointing season. They have no chance
to win a national championship or to even make it to the playoffs. Utah on the
other hand does not have the talent at the skill positions to compete in the
Pac12. They might one day, but the certainly do not yet. BYU would probably do
not better in the Pac12 and I am willing to admit that. However, Utah fans
always talk about how irrelevant BYU is. Well let's be realistic Utah
fans. Utah is not relevant. Until they can win some games in the Pac12 they
are not relevant either. Do you really suppose that Oregon or USC views Utah as
any stronger of an opponent than BYU? If you do you are delusional. Now this
year I would give BYU a slight leg up on Utah because Taysom and Jamall will win
games for BYU, but we won't get to find out.
BigCougar "It worked out well last year for Holmoe. BYU finished with the
#38 SOS".And yet, #38 SOS didn't earn P5 recognition for BYU.
Why not?Because SOS can't be predicted. It depends on your
opponents being good that year. One year, BYU would be considered
"major" because of SOS, and the next year they would be
"mid-major" because of SOS.The conferences want something
consistent. They declared that members must play 9 games against other P5
schools. They can't risk scheduling BYU as a P5 only to later find out
that BYU's SOS wasn't so great that year.
@ dww722"TCU was good but not great."TCU
finished in the top 10. If that's not great, I'm not sure what is
@ yabuts"The hype is refreshing"Really? This
happens every single year. BYU wins the pre-season national championship, and
then they get crushed in September. It's a tradition....
@ BigCougar"The only crappy teams (non-bowl teams) on the
schedule were Utah, Idaho St, Virginia and Nevada,"How did BYU
do against those crappy teams?I also get a chuckle from BYU fans who
think that Utah prepares for the BYU game, at the expense of preparing for conf.
games. I can assure you that is not the case. I understand that many BYU fans
are desperately trying to explain why Utah has been so dominant in the rivalry
lately. The simple answer is that Utah has been the better team.
Could be a great year. As to strength of schedule, is this year tougher than
1984 or the Cotton Bowl team? Those were "special years." This year is more difficult than those.Pittsburgh and Baylor, then
Tulsa, and the WAC with Hawaii, SDSU, UNM, UTEP, WYO, Utah, AFA, CSU, and Utah
State... that was a weaker schedule but look at the impact -- amazing.
If a special season is 10 wins vs one of the weakest schedules in the country...
then yes.The real question is how long Bronco can go before he talks about
a NC, going undefeated, or being among the NCAAs elite. You know it's
2fer"I also get a chuckle from BYU fans who think that Utah
prepares for the BYU game, at the expense of preparing for conf. games. "I get a chuckle out of Utah fans who live in denial that Ute nation is
totally obsessed with beating BYU.As is abundantly evident from how
often Utah fans cite Utah's record versus BYU, the Utes would rather beat
BYU, than go to a bowl.If Oklahoma @ 93 and Alabama @ 95, are
capable of having a special season with their schedule, there's no reason
BYU @ 97 couldn't have a special season as well.-----------btw, despite the erroneous claims by the kids on the hill, Utah
hasn't been "dominant" in the series lately. 14 of the last 17
games (2004, 2008 and 2011 were outliers) were decided by a touchdown or less in
the closing minutes or in overtime, including 3 of the 4 games during
Utah's current mini winning streak. The fact that Utah has only won a
slight majority of those close games, 8 of 14, proves that the series has been
extremely competitive. Average score in those close games, BYU 20.1, Utah 21.0.
@ Scores"For BYU to have a special season they have to win every
game. If they do, they will be in a New Year's bowl game" That's actually incorrect! It doesn't work that way. BYU as an
independent must make contracts with bowl games in order for them to go to the
post season. BYU does NOT have any contracts with any of the New Year's 6
bowls. That means if BYU were to be highly ranked, they will still be going to
their mediocre bowl game. Notre Dame on the other hand has an agreement with the
Orange Bowl. I'm sorry, but BYU is NOT Notre Dame and never will be. The
best BYU will ever do is their mediocre bowl games with the AAC. Although the MWC and the other group of mid major conferences have an
agreement with the Fiesta Bowl. The agreement is the highest ranked conference
champion will get the automatic bid. BYU does not qualify because they are not
in a conference. They need to make arrangements themselves. If BYU wants to play
in January they need to swallow their pride and get back in a conference.
Bleed CrimsonInstead of just spouting off, I'd suggest you go
back and do a little research about the conditions under which BYU could be
invited to the playoffs or a major bowl.
Duckhunter,It's called one step at a time. Every motivational
speaker in the world will tell you it's best to set intermediate goals on
the way to your ultimate goal. So the first goal the Ute's must have is to
win the Division, because that's how we get the opportunity to win the
conference.Maybe what you are really saying is 'I'm a
frustrated BYU fan who is stuck cheering for a team with no intermediate goals,
since the national title is the only thing my team has to shoot for.'
Big Cougar,LOL. You talk like Coach Whitt has sacrificed preparing
for conference games in order to focus on BYU which indicates you somehow
believe BYU is at the same level or better than our conference opponents. Well
here's a news flash for you. The dominance started under Coach Mac,
continued with Coach Meyer, and is still there under Coach Whitt and was there
long before the Pac 12. You are having a hard time accepting that Utah left BYU
behind in level of play and that the Ute's struggles in the Pac 12 are a
clear sign of how hard it will be for BYU to make it in a similar situation.
What exactly is meant by special? Its one of the cultural buzzwords here in Zion
that confuse me.
souptwinsLindon, UTI really wish the local news media would stop
over-hyping the BYU season------------Tell that to Jeff
Call, Lafe Peavler and the rest of the DNews' army of kool-aid drinkers...
who are such homers that just about nothing they write ever smacks of even the
@woanellie...."Ted, the problem with your suggestion is that there are never
two top teams in the nation playing in RES on the same day. Let us know when
that happens but you might want to have one of your grand kids carry out that
request because anyone alive today will not be alive when and if that were to
ever happen."Kind of like there will never even be one great
team playing at LES in our liftime lets us know if it happens but you're
probably going to have to have your great great great grandchild carry that
@big cougie...."As for BYU faring better in the Pac12, Bronco is 9-6 vs the
Pac12 (excluding Utah) and Kyle is 13-21 and vs common teams Bronco has gone 9-6
and Kyle 10-14."Now this is probably the most hillarious comment
I've ever seen a cougie put down....Trying to compare Y to the U yet to
make a point you exclude games the Y played Utah because they have lost so
@bigcougie...."A new head coach will change that culture but shifting the
focus off of BYU and onto conference games will come at the expense of the
"absolutely HAVE to win or else" attitude advantage Utah possesses in
the BYU game every year. The game will cease to be a guarantee after Kyle is
gone."Yes it was Utah that had players foregoing the NFL draft
possible top 10 pick because they want to come back to play their quote un-quote
"superbowl". It was also Utah's coach that said last pre-season
that the Utah BYU game was the most important game on the schedule and it
wasn't close. Oh wait it was Kyle Vanoy, Cody Hoffman and Donco
Mendenhall that said that....LOL!! I love how cougie fans love to grasp at
straws to try and explain why utah dominates the cougies though
Big Cougar,If BYU does get into a Big 5 conference, hopefully you
will realize that a decent win loss record over many years of playing occasional
Big 5 opponents doesn't translate into success in playing them every week.
I don't see BYU will faring any better than Utah and TCU. For me, the
sooner BYU gets into a Big 5 conference the better. Nothing like a dose of
reality to wake up the fans.
Both teams have gotten what they signed up for 3 years ago. Utah now can call
themselves a P5 conference member and get it handed to them every year. BYU gets
to make their own schedule, have crappy home games in November and go to a bowl
game which gives the church more exposure. It is a win-win for both teams. That
is what is important to Ute fans (look at comments about P5 status and SOS.)I
don't see many Ute fans wanting more than that. BYU fans are unrealistic,
but at least we aim high!! Good luck as cellar dwellers Utah. I hope that you
continue to enjoy that P5 status and SOS. PS. I'm sure Kyle
will find a job after this season. A good coach who was put into a bad
@ deductive reasoningUtah fans bring up their record against BYU,
because almost every interaction they have on these boards in regards to
football is with BYU fans. If CSU fans were here acting the way BYU fans do,
than Ute fans would respond by citing Utah's record against the Rams.
It's not hard to understand. Conf. games > The Holy War.
I don't think you will find many (if any) Ute fans who disagree with that.
@MormonUte"If BYU does get into a Big 5 conference, hopefully you will
realize that a decent win loss record over many years of playing occasional Big
5 opponents doesn't translate into success in playing them every week. I
don't see BYU will faring any better than Utah and TCU. For me, the sooner
BYU gets into a Big 5 conference the better. Nothing like a dose of reality to
wake up the fans."------------Lol! That's
awesome coming from a ute fan! Nice. That's what BYU fans were posting to
ute fans just prior to the 2011 season when ute fans were talking about taking
the Pac12 by storm, dominating the weak (at the time) South Division and playing
for the CCG and getting into the Rose Bowl in year 1. (we also posted that well
into the 2012 season as ute fans continued believing they'd bounce back and
dominate the South Division and enjoy Rose Bowl glory).I almost
snorted milk out of my nostrils when I read your post. It made me guffaw!
@SoonerUteBecause SOS can't be predicted. It depends on your
opponents being good that year...The conferences want something consistent. They
declared that members must play 9 games against other P5 schools. They
can't risk scheduling BYU as a P5 only to later find out that BYU's
SOS wasn't so great that year.--------------And I
have no problem with that, same as most Cougar fans. The point I'm making
is that ute fans act like they've been playing top 10 SOS's for years
when it's been one lone single solitary season and their previous seasons
in the Pac12 they had SOS's up in the 40's, higher than BYU's SOS
last year. The flaw is not all p5 schools have great SOS's.
Last year most of the ACC, B1G and Big12 finished well behind BYU's SOS and
even several SEC schools like Alabama. Schedules are put together years out and
you have no control over how teams end up when you finally play them. It's
always a crap shoot. The Pac12 wasn't this good 3 yrs ago. FYI......They don't give out trophies for SOS Championships.
@SoonerUte"The conferences want something consistent. They declared
that members must play 9 games against other P5 schools. They can't risk
scheduling BYU as a P5 only to later find out that BYU's SOS wasn't so
great that year."-------------SOS's in p5
conferences can't be predicted either. It varies a lot from year to year
and team to team.The original intent was to prevent teams from
scheduling a bunch of cupcakes like FCS schools with their non-conference
schedules. Any team you schedule runs you the risk of having a lousy
SOS the year you play them. The SOS avg for the ACC and B1G were just a few
points higher than the avg SOS for the MWC and the American Athletic Conf last
season and yet the ACC and B1g were p5 conferences.Utah's first
2 yrs in the Pac12 they had a SOS up into the mid 40's which is above
average. It's only been one year that they've had an SOS like last
year which was in the top 10 yet they act like it's every year and then
whine about it and make excuses for getting pounded.
@MormonUteYou talk like Coach Whitt has sacrificed preparing for
conference games in order to focus on BYU which indicates you somehow believe
BYU is at the same level or better than our conference opponents.-----------Proof is in the pudding Mo. As for BYU being better
than your conference opponents I wouldn't go that far, they're better
than some and not as good as the upper echelon teams. Bronco has gone 9-6
against the rest of your conference opponents as HC. Kyle has gone 13-21.And if you're going to try that old ute line that utah doesn't
get any breaks in their schedule and so its' not the same, it's pretty
hypocritical to say that now but diss that back when BYU fans pointed that out
when Utah fans were proclaiming immediate Pac12 domination when they joined
their new conference because they had selectively performed well against a few
Pac12 schools while in the MWC.You can't have it both ways.
Unless you're a hypocrite.
Rufus T. FireflyIt's laughable that Utah fans have to define
every comparison so that it places Utah in exactly the best light.Why not compare records versus the PAC 12 during the entire Bronco/Kyle
era?Bronco 9-9Kyle 13-21Or why not compare records
versus P5s for 2013?BYU 2-5Utah 2-7Or how about AP
Top 25 finishes?Bronco 4Kyle 2Or 11+ win
seasons?Bronco 3Kyle 1Bottom line for Utah fans is
Kyle is 9-18 versus the PAC 12 since the Utes joined the conference, well below
.500, and not even close to living up to the bold prediction of Utah fans after
2008 that the Utes could compete with anybody.
Big Cougar,Just because some of my fellow Ute fans were unrealistic
back when we started in the Pac 12 doesn't make me a hypocrite. I
wasn't one of those believing we would immediately contend for the
conference title. I did hope for a better result than we have seen and that is
my point with you. You are trying to claim that playing an occasional Pac 12
team somehow equates to having success against them week in and week out. It
isn't the same and both Utah and TCU have discovered that. I'm asking
for it both ways. I'm using my experience as a Ute fan to warn you and
other BYU fans about the pitfalls of making the leap into a Big 5 conference.
@MormonUteYou are trying to claim that playing an occasional Pac 12
team somehow equates to having success against them week in and week out. It
isn't the same and both Utah and TCU have discovered that. I'm asking
for it both ways.------------That's very fair and
in reality I don't think playing a p5 school occasionally is the same as
playing a conference schedule full of them. I bring it up to remind many Ute
fans (not you) of what they said and thought going into the Pac12 and have
conveniently seem to have forgotten now.I think BYU would struggle
in similar fashion like TCU and Utah with not having the requisite depth of
talent and need time to build that up.
@Rufus T MidgeflyUtah vs. BYU in the "Kyle/Bronco" era has
Utah defeating BYU 4 out of 4, and 9 out of 12. And good luck with this season
being ranked 97th in college football in terms of strength of schedule...You
bring up the Utes' 2008 season....how about the constant reference to
1984's supposed "National Championship" that you guys hang on
to?-------------Typical ute fan, don't let accuracy
or facts get in the way of your need to attack BYU. That's a reliable way
to sniff out which fans are really Ute fans and which are just bandwagon ute
fans and actually BYU haters in disguise.Bronco and Kyle
haven't been Head Coaches 12 yrs so their head to head record vs each other
couldn't be 9 of 12 in Kyle's favor. It's 6-3 in Kyle's
favor.As for whining about BYU's National Championship....while
you're at it whine about their Heisman Trophy (also 7 other top 5
finishes), their Doak Walker award, their 2 Outland trophies, their 4 Davey
O'Brien awards (most of any other school) and 7 Sammy Baugh awards, 13
consensus 1st team All-Americans, 51 All-Americans, etc, etc....