poyman,When did I say anything about the Ute's attendance being
up? Season ticket renewals have been at 98% for 4 years straight. I don't
recall saying anything about attendance being up. Sorry to burst your bubble.
I guess you're just desperate to prove me wrong on something.
poyman,That would have been October 12, 2013 when the Utes played
Stanford and BYU played Georgia Tech.
Big Cougar,Nope. The last time the Utes played Michigan was in 2008
and that game was a one shot deal having nothing to do with the games this year
and next.That's called DirecTV satellite and you better check
again about ESPNU. There were all kinds of complaints on the internet last year
when the first of those 4 BYU games on ESPNU happened and a bunch of BYU fans
didn't realize it wasn't included in basic cable or basic satellite.
You have to have a premium package or a sports pack add on to get it. Turns out
ESPNU is in the same number of homes as the Pac 12 Network nationwide, but gets
fewer viewers. That was reported by the SLTrib TV reporter.
@poymanOh, and BYU will have more in attendance this year at the
Savanna State Game than Utah will have at the USC game...----------Ouch! Don't hurt them poyman!
Two For FlinchingSalt Lake City, UT@ DuckhunterCompared
to NIU, Rice Eccles isn't "puny".--------------I think Duckhunter got Rice-Chex Stadium confused with a similar little
stadium up north in Logan, Romney Stadium. While Romney Stadium is puny,
Rice-Chex is definitely in the "quaint and cozy little stadium"
@65tosspowersweepIf Utah gets beat by Utah State - that's
devastating.--------------Nah, not really. Utah lost
pretty handily to them 2 yrs ago and got dominated early last year and needed a
torrid comeback effort late to eek out the narrow come-from-behind victory at
home in cozy little Rice-Chex Stadium last year (good thing it wasn't on
the road). Chuckie has owned the Utes and last year had nearly 400 yds total
offense. Utah is very fortunate they didn't schedule USU this
year, it would be another loss.
@ Duckhunter Still on Tulsa Time ?
Could the three schools play every other year ? Imagine perhaps a
schedule that could last such as , Alternating sights every other year. ( without fact For example only ). U.Of U. vs. Utah State in Logan,
2018 BYU at U.of U 2019 in S.L.C 2019Utah State vs BYU in Provo
2020 Great publicity and advertising build up round robin through out
part of the decade to determine overall bucket list winner. Should be a
University Sports Directories dream-- same for the schedulers of the TV
broadcasts, and ,in my opinion , a substantial financial gain throughout three
different Television affiliated stations. 3 X the exposure. The
A.D.'s of the Universities now only have to schedule one game per year ,
home and away, every four years, one game every / two years /per school.Now you
have most every sports fan the inter mountain west intrigue , because the
outcomes are not decide in one season. As a result now the," Oquirrh Bucket
" is played for higher stakes. As a result now the," Oquirrh
Bucket " is played for higher stakes.ore suspense over the years and
terrific publicity ,coupled with scheduling issues resolved for the three
@2furyou said..."The contract signed with Michigan
is a home-home deal. The game in 2008 was completely independent of the upcoming
series".Correct...Just as BYU has done with Wisconsin and Texas.
Be consistent, now.
In Utah's arrogance, they actually think that they have scheduled 3
patsies, just as every Southeast Conference team does every year...In
reality, outside of Weber St. and Idaho St, they could easily be swept by all of
Let's be honest - it's one thing to get beat by N. Illinois, and
it's entirely different to get beat by Utah State. If Utah gets beat by
Utah State - that's devastating.
Too bad the Wolf Pack isn't on the schedule this season. Maybe they'll
meet in the league championship!
@mormonute...FYI... Contrary to your comment the big bad pac 12
attendance was down in 2013 compared 2012... Utah was down .3% and had better
average attendance per game than only 2 other teams in the conference...
Washington State and Colorado (who didn't even average 30,000 per
game...BYU almost gets that many out for a scrimmage at LES.Oh, and BYU will have more in attendance this year at the Savanna State
Game than Utah will have at the USC game...
@mormonute... Your comment simply isn't accurate... Please share with us
which ute game drew a bigger TV audience on pac12 tv than a BYU game on ESPNU?
@uteology...It doesn't matter what the teams are ranked...
Experience shows that you lose 2 out of 3 no matter what.... 9-18 in conference
in 3 years... ouch,Tell us what was WSU ranked last year? Or
Arizona? Let's look at 2011 (Utah's best big bad pac12 year... What
was the might buffaloes of Colorado ranked? lol.
@ BigCougarThe contract signed with Michigan is a home-home deal.
The game in 2008 was completely independent of the upcoming series.
@DuckhunterIt doesn't have anything to do with whether or not
utah's stadium is "puny" in comparison to NIU's, it is that it
is puny period. It does not generate enough revenue to guaranty a school like
NIU a big enough payout to go there twice.---------------Maybe they can up the ante if they throw in some free Pac12 stickers.@MormonUte"You have no basis for your argument that the Utes have
nothing to offer. How did we get a home and home with Michigan?"
- Isn't Utah in the middle of a 2 for 1 with Michigan? With this game
in 2014 they will have played 2 straight road games
at Ann Arbor before getting a return game next season."How many
BYU fans were caught off guard by that one and didn't realize until game
time that ESPNU isn't in their basic package? " - I
haven't met one yet that was. Also, All the ESPN channels are on my basic
Cable package. So is BYUtv. You know what isn't? The Pac12 Network.
@mormon ute tomahawk redPlease tell me then what it is about utah
that is deserving of a 2-1 with anyone? What is it that makes them worth that to
another school?There isn't anything, nothing at all. The other
schools aren't going to give utah a 2-1 because of "atmosphere".
They aren't going to give them one for the payout. They aren't going
to give them one for the tv coverage, or really the lack thereof. They
aren't going to give them a 2-1 just because of the pac12 stickers. There
is simply no reason at all to give them one.
@2ferIt doesn't have anything to do with whether or not
utah's stadium is "puny" in comparison to NIU's, it is that it
is puny period. It does not generate enough revenue to guaranty a school like
NIU a big enough payout to go there twice.Now you may very well be
correct that neither school wanted a 2-1, that makes perfect sense to me, but
the point is that utah is not a team with the clout, prestige, or budget, to
make that deal with a team like NIU which is actually a pretty good team. In
fact there probably aren't any teams utah could get a 2-1 with outside of
the 1-aa teams and they aren't going to do a 2-1 with them it would just be
a one and done at res.It is just the delusion of some of the utah
"fans" on here that makes this fun, thinking utah somehow is in a
position to make those kinds of demands on other teams when there is absolutely
no basis for it. In fact I'd like to challenge them to show us just one 2-1
they have with any team at all?
Duckhunter,You have no basis for your argument that the Utes have
nothing to offer. How did we get a home and home with Michigan?
Duckhunter,Quite the contrary, last week was a great week for me as
a Ute fan. My season tickets arrived in the mail and I'm excited for the
season to get started. As Ute games continue to draw better TV audiences than
BYU games (which is where the real money comes from) I will be happy that my
basic cable package gives me every game. You didn't address the BYU games
last year that ESPN chose to relegate to ESPNU. How many BYU fans were caught
off guard by that one and didn't realize until game time that ESPNU
isn't in their basic package? Maybe that's why they had such a paltry
audience. Of course that would only explain the first game. What about the
other three? There were 4 games last year including Virginia, Georgia Tech and
Houston that didn't even come close to the national audience BYU fans love
to claim.As for the stadium, atmosphere is the key in college
football and RES is highly rated for it's atmosphere.
It's really a piece of cake Chris, just alternate USU and BYU each year on
a home and home basis. Problem solved, no biggie.
@ DuckhunterCompared to NIU, Rice Eccles isn't "puny".
Also, I'm willing to bet that neither program wanted a 2-1 agreement.
I'm not sure how many conf. games they play in the MAC, but Utah only has
three non-conf. games and doesn't want to get locked down playing a bunch
of those games against only a couple different teams.
I like the NIU scheduling. A trip east is fine with me. Now schedule someone
from the East Coast.
eric2002xMiami, FLI am rolling on the floor in laughter at Utah
scheduling a 1-1 series with NIU!! The usual ute fans were posting away talking
smack about BYU a few days ago...and then the big announcement from Utah is they
do the same!!----------Nope. Most Utah fans are well
aware that this is a ridiculous scheduling agreement. Utah shouldn't even
entertain the thought of a 1-1 with NIU, let alone enter negotiations and then
sign the deal.We expect BYU to do things like this. For Utah to do
it is ridiculous as it makes them look like BYU... a piddly mid major.
mussingaroundPalo Alto, CA2fer"Pre-season polls mean
nothing."They mean more than last season's rankings.---------No they don't.
Brave Sir RobinSan Diego, CAOh and you're kidding
yourself if you think this is a true 1-and-1...Utah is already talking about
buying out the return game. It's a one-and-done "body bag" game.----------Sorry but not so.The first game is AT
NIU. If it's gonna be a 1-0, NIU's gonna get the home game.
Utah AlumOrem, UTSo the Utes are playing Southern Utah, North
Dakota, and Weber State instead of playing Utah State?----------Those teams are NOT the same caliber as Utah State.
@ StrikerYou just mocked SEC scheduling in the same breath that you
complimented an SEC on their scheduling.... Also, 6 of the top 7 SOS's
last season belonged to teams in the PAC. Utah's schedule is more than
adequate, even with NIU.
I swear I read that the PAC was focusing on games with the Big Ten each year.
What happened to that? This is a SEC coward schedule. I respect teams like LSU
who usually schedule two good OOC teams, not these schedules.
The spin now, from fans of the "Doormat Ute Football Program" who are
continually begging for relevance, is Absolutely Priceless!
I am rolling on the floor in laughter at Utah scheduling a 1-1 series with NIU!!
The usual ute fans were posting away talking smack about BYU a few days
ago...and then the big announcement from Utah is they do the same!! And run away
from a surging Utah St program.... Can't believe it, running away from all
the in-state rivals.
Utah State is a better team than NIU, N. Dakota, San Jose, S. Utah, Weber and
Idaho State. If a game with USU couldn't be scheduled on any of the 9 dates
Utah plays these teams it must be because USU's schedule couldn't fit
it in either. Love how stories like this try to make it look like one side is at
fault when both teams schedules have to have an opening the same week.
Personally I wished Utah would play USU and BYU every year, I love watching
these games. Even though in the grand scheme of things I understand conference
games are more "important" I'd rather watch a Utah/BYU or a
Utah/USU game than a Utah/Pac12 game in most cases.
gdog3finallyThe spin from the hill about the "difference"
between BYU and Utah playing the exact same opponent is laughable, especially
when the crimson glasses wearers are so dismissive of the difficulty of playing
a completely different mixture of teams in completely different venues every
season.At least the Utes are familiar with the the strengths and
weaknesses of the majority of their opponents and are familiar with the venues
and the normal routine of playing in those venues.
KralonWithout BYU and USU, the Utes don't have any
"emotional" games on their schedule.No Utah fan can honestly
say that Colorado is an "emotional" game, and while USC, UCLA, Oregon,
Stanford, and the like may be difficult games, they're no more
"emotional" than BYU playing USC, UCLA, Oregon, Stanford, Notre Dame,
Wisconsin, Nebraska or Michigan.
Uteology"Both teams would lose to Utah."You
seriously think you're such a soothsayer that you could absolutely
guarantee the results of two games 3 or 4 years in the future?The
hubris of your statement is laughable.btw, 18 votes > no votes,
regardless of how you spin itAt least BYU is in the nationally
ranked discussion to start the season.
Any schedule needs at least one tune up game. But NIU might still be formidable.
Utah has no shame in scheduling this team as their schedule is brutal each year
(one of the toughest schedules in the nation last year and this year coming up).
As for the 'rivalry' squabble over lighter opponents,
there is a difference having one or two smaller schools on your schedule in
comparison to 8 out of 12. Yet we hear how the blue has a manageable lighter
schedule that is solid nonetheless. That is an insult to those who know the
landscape and make up of teams around the country. BYU's schedule is soft
period. Houston might have some firepower but they are weak. Sure they started
the season nice last year with their own soft schedule. And although they could
have beaten BYU, if you watched that game, BYU outplayed them. Boise is the
'Old Grey Mare that ain't what she used to be' despite their
record the last two years. Their schedule is as bad as that of BYU. USU is a
tough game but it's in Provo. Texas is the one big boy, but their program
With only three open slots I can see how it would be difficult for Utah to
schedule both Utah State and BYU every year. As Hill said too many emotional
games do take a toll on the team as evidenced by the Ute's history of not
playing very well in the game after playing BYU.Still, it would be
nice to play both BYU and USU every year, go Utes!
I wouldn't play Utah state either if I had a chance of losing to them.
Schedule USU for heaven's sake. The Aggies are a good team and they need a
full stadium once in a while.
@scenic viewNice try, that was 2013, this is 2014:Coaches Pre-Season 2014 Rankings#38 BYU#51(tied) Arizona,
Northern Illinoisunranked Utah, Virginia, Hawaii-----------------Northern Illionis has ONE more vote than Utah.
BYU has 18 more votes. Both teams would lose to Utah.BYU might even
get a win over Virgina this year. That is if it doesn't rain, otherwise
I'll take Virgina.
@ mussingaroundNo, both polls mean nothing. There hasn't been
a down of football played this season, so nobody really knows how things will
shake out.I wasn't talking about Utah, so I'm not sure why
think I should be considering anything. I just thought it was interesting to
see NIU move up in the polls after losing their best player. Typically that
doesn't happen. Also this: "considering Travis Wilson could be lost
for the season with the first hard hit he takes from a blitzing linebacker"
is true for every single team in the country. Utah has no reason to be more
worried than anybody else does.
The solution is easy, drop BYU and schedule those awesome Aggies home and home.
Throw USU a bone (they are family right?) considering both schools, by far, are
each others oldest and longest running rival. Then there is a very simple task
of two other games per year. BYU chose the independence path and their games
(or lack thereof) are not a problem for the Utes.
That's it for me. My alumni money will go to my sons school, Uof
Washington until Dr Hill starts acting like a D1 AD...If he wants to
do some D-2 or 1-AA stuff by all means apply to those schools. We need an AD
that has more visionDisgusted
Hmmm. Maybe Chris Hill knows that when the Big-12 expands in the next couple of
years, they'll take NIU.
@Waylon77I agree, I always liked driving up to Logan and watching my
Utes play, while watching the sunset over Cache Valley. Sometimes my buddy and I
would get seats in the USU student section and make a big ruckus.
I'd rather see the Utes play USU than NIU. Neither opponent would aid in
our recruiting efforts, but one of them is less than a 2-hr drive, whereas the
other would be an expensive flight in an advanced time zone. Everything about
USU > NIU. USU is in the better league: MWC > MAC. USU has the larger
stadium: 25.5K to 24.0K. Utah-USU has more history than Utah-NIU: 109 games to
0.I "get" not wanting to play USU every year. We'd be
better off looking at schools in traditionally fertile recruiting areas of CA,
TX, FL, GA, and LA. However, I do NOT get looking past USU in favor of NIU.
Poor choice Dr. Hill. Fresno St. and San Jose St. are fine, but let's also
look at SDSU, Tx Tech, SMU, Houston, La Tech, Ga Tech, USF, or Miami. Las Vegas
and island recruits have been good to us, so I wouldn't complain to find
UNLV or Hawai'i on our schedules either. And why not Colorado St?Please do better next time.
2fer"Pre-season polls mean nothing."They mean
more than last season's rankings.While you're talking
about Jordan Lynch's replacement, you should also be considering
Utah's QB options, considering Travis Wilson could be lost for the season
with the first hard hit he takes from a blitzing linebacker, and his likely
replacement is an untested transfer who completed 4 of 13 passes last season.
@ scenic viewPre-season polls mean nothing. It is interesting to
see NIU move up a little bit from where they finished last year. They lost
Jordan Lynch, so it's anyone's guess what that program will do now.
I think they should require UoU/BYU/USU schedule each other every year. It makes
the season a lot more exciting and fun. If any fan really believes that any of
these three teams will make it to the playoffs in the next 10-20 years needs to
go get a head scan.
I don't get how this is about BYU and Utah. Almost every comment is to
argue the superiority of BYU over Utah, or Utah over BYU. Stick to the point.
Utah is not playing Utah State. That's what the article is about, and
that's what I think stinks. I love the rivalry within football and that I
think is the biggest crime of the BCS. Schools abandon 100 year old rivalries,
that the fans love and look forward to, so they can be included in the national
championship picture. Mack Brown made the same comment at Texas. It's sad
to see tradition and fan desire abandoned to chase money. I'm not
suggesting Utah should not have gone to the PAC 12, I'm just sad that all
over the country the big rivalry games are getting lost because of the BCS.
Uteology"NIU is better than Hawaii, Virginia, Utah, and maybe
Arizona?"Sagarin Rankings 2013:#24 Arizona#33
Utah#34 BYU#59 NIU#106 Virginia#127 HawaiiNice try, that was 2013, this is 2014:Coaches Pre-Season 2014
Rankings#38 BYU#51(tied) Arizona, Northern Illinoisunranked Utah, Virginia, Hawaii
@mormon uteThis has beena hard and bitter week for you. lolAs for your assertions, so what? BYU played one game on BYUtv last year, idaho
state, so I'm sure outside of BYU fans, and idaho st fans, it wasn't
all that highly rated. Nor would it have been highly rated if it was utah
playing idaho st (you'll see the truth of that in a couple of weeks). That
doesn't change the fact that the pac12 network is little seen and little
cared about and very few people watch games on it so it is a selling point to
exactly no one to think they'll being playing a losing pac12 program like
utah on the pac12 network. Also what does "difficult" have
to do with my assertion that utah's stadium is a crackerbox with little
financial incentive to play in? If it is truly "difficult" and the
payout is peanuts then I'm correct, why bother playing there?The points stand, teams have no real incentive to play utah because it does so
little for them. I'm sure you'll enjoy being the "return" in
the NIU matchup. lol
Too bad for Utah State, thats 3 easy wins they could have had against the
doormat of the PAC 10.
@ExectorIohAmen brotha! It's crazy how many posts some of
these articles get. I have been a diehard Ute for over 30 years and love
everything Utah, especially where the program is going but I can't believe
how much time some people put into arguing on these posts. Especially when 110%
of what is said is just how they see things way out on the outer edge of either
side of the spectrum. You can always justify anything with the right outlook.
Good luck to all the Utah programs this year!Back on topic though,
it is sad to see that we won't have USU on the schedule for awhile I have
always enjoyed going to those games in Logan and at RES so hopefully they can
get things ironed out in the future.Can't wait for the season
to start! Go UTES!
Losing in the PAC 12, and to BYU is one thing, but to Utah State would be
I am perfectly fine with this scheduling agreement with NIU. They're a
decent mid major in a fertile recruiting location. I would rather see a matchup
with Illinois or Northwestern, but like I said, NIU isn't bad. The Utes
need to focus on also landing games in Texas and Florida even if its UTSA or
FIU. Just get the team there for the recruits. Lately, I really
enjoy the game against Utah State and am going to miss it. However, games
against Utah State or BYU do the Utes no good; they need to be replaced with
teams from states that are rich in recruits.
Utah will be well served to just manage to beat NIU twice.
All the naysayers need to stop whining. For the second year in a row we have
nearly the toughest schedule in the nation. Mostly due to our conference
schedule. With that fact in mind it makes perfect sense to avoid overloading
the non-conference schedule and avoid too many intense rivalry games each
year.Duckhunter,RES has been rated as one of the top
venues in the Pac 12 ever since we joined and is also rated as one of the most
difficult stadiums for visiting teams to play in. Several Ute games on the Pac
12 Network drew larger TV audiences that BYU games on ESPNU and BYUtv last
season as reported by the Nielsen Ratings. Also, that aweful Pac 12 team
trounced your Cougars on their home turf. So what do you have to crow about?
Everyone calm down. Although NIU is a bit of a disappointment, Dr. Hill has
been very clear regarding his scheduling strategy. Every year outside of
conference play, there are three games to be played, 2 at RES and 1 away. An
"A" team, a "B" team, and a "C" team is preferred to
fill those spots. This year and next year, the "A" opponent is Michigan
instead of BYU. 2016 and beyond BYU will fill that A slot. Yes, I just called
BYU an A team. With Utah State being super competitive the last few years,
it's a lot to ask of the U to have two instate rivalry games and a 9 game
conference schedule. This scheduling strategy is a luxury. Utah
fans are guaranteed 7-8 homes games a year (conference play rotates 5-4, and 4-5
home vs away). Look at BYU, they had to work really hard just to put 6 home
games on the schedule next year and the home schedule features Boise State.
Awesome, have fun with that. Your home schedule next year is as weak as it
gets. Regarding the U fans that gave BYU a hard time for
scheduling NIU, time to eat some crow.
@JSwaggDaddyI know that by 2018 some of these teams will be better
and some will be worse. But going off of where these programs are at right now,
NIU is better than Hawaii, Virginia, utah, and maybe Arizona. That's it.
They are one of the worst opponents so far in our 2018 and 2020 schedules, not
one of the best.-------------NIU is better than Hawaii,
Virginia, Utah, and maybe Arizona? Sagarin Rankings 2013:#24 Arizona#33 Utah#34 BYU#59 NIU#106 Virginia#127 Hawaii
Waylon77The reason the Utah/Utah State rivalry is dying is because
after what happened in Romney Stadium the last time they visited, the Utes are
too scared to travel to Logan anymore.
Figures...I guess its the same reason that the utes bought out the USU
game for 2014... SCARED.In the past they would always count it as a
win... but not anymore...With 5 total win seasons, the utes
don't want another likely loss to USU on their record.It
doesn't do much for USU either... beating a pac11.u doormat doesn't
help our ranking either.LOL
timid sparrow"Oh and you're kidding yourself if you think
this is a true 1-and-1...Utah is already talking about buying out the return
game."Since the "return game" is in RES, I guess what
you're really saying is NIU scheduled a one and done money game with the
Utes; not exactly something most fans would be beating their chests about.
Let's see Riley M.It doesn't matter the outcome of the
head-to-head, Utah just isn't good enough to have truly successful seasons
very often.AP Top 25LifetimeBYU 17Utah 5Bronco/Kyle eraBronco 4Kyle 211+ win seasonsLifetimeBYU 11Utah 2Bronco/Kyle eraBronco
3Kyle 1Ranked/Conference Championship SeasonsLifetimeBYU 14Utah 3Bronco/Kyle eraBronco 2Kyle 1
@Brave Sir, you better check your statement. The first game is at NIU. So, if
Utah is buying out the return game, are you saying they will go to NIU and play
and then cancel the game in SLC?
As an Aggie fan I am extremely disappointed in this news. The USU v Utah
football game is one of my favorites every year. I think that the Ute fans
generally like the game as well. Even when its played in Logan there are always
plenty of seats for Ute fans and the tickets are a little cheaper, its almost
like getting an extra home game. I have really enjoyed going to watch my Aggies
play in Rice Eccles as well, always have a good time there. Just wish they could
make this work.
The difference between Utah and BYU scheduling NIU:Utah did it to
give their schedule a breather.BYU did it to give their schedule some
"teeth".Oh and you're kidding yourself if you think
this is a true 1-and-1...Utah is already talking about buying out the return
game. It's a one-and-done "body bag" game.
@ Y's little BrotherIt is not a point of being able to
"schedule" P5 teams, it is a point of how many P5 teams you play each
year. Utah has 9 this year and shouldn't have scheduled any P5 teams
outside the conference as it decreases the chance for a bowl game. Having
Michigan on our schedule this year is crazy with the Pac 12 schedule that we
have. I would have preferred UNLV, New Mexico, or BYU so we could assure
ourselves of an additional win.
There is way too much hate between the two fan bases on this. It is ridiculous.
Utah and BYU are on opposite sides of the world when it comes to filling out a
game schedule. Trying to compare is like arguing which vegetable tastes better.
If you take a step back and look at this argument here, it is laughably
juvenile. Come on everybody, let's keep it civil.
Of course we're filling up our schedule without Utah State. We're also filling it up without Wyoming and Tennessee Community
college.So? Those are all mid majors that ya once every few years
if we want to play them, we'll play themWe've beaten them
15 out of the last 16 times we've played.They're nothing
more than a little brother who is jealous of how high the utes have gotten the
past decade and jealous of the future of our program.Ya, they want
to play Utah every year?Who cares? Not us!
Speaking of upcoming out of conference schedules here is what the athletic
director of michigan had to say about a drop in next years student season ticket
sales when Utah goes to visit."Our home schedule, we don't
have any of our big rivalry games (this year), that could have an impact. Coming
off a 7-6 season, that could have an impact."Next year,
we've got BYU coming and Ohio (State) coming back, Michigan State's
finally coming back to Michigan Stadium. I think you have to look at these
things a little bit longer than a one-year situation." Then
quotes from the reporter about next years scheduleAs of now, one
student season ticket to all seven 2014 home games comes with a $295 price tag.
Those games feature the following opponents: Appalachian State, Miami (Ohio),
Utah, Minnesota, Penn State, Indiana and Maryland.Despite that weak
slate, the student price is, by a decent margin, the highest of any football
program in the Big Ten at the moment.It looks like Utah is not that
attractive of an opponent.
Utah could end up playing 3 top 10 teams this year.Oregon #4@UCLA #7@Stanford #11USC #15@ASU #18And BYU fans
wonder why we're padding our future schedules with NIU.
I find it absolutely hilarious to see Utah fans try to explain why it's
their "choice" to play NIU but it's "desperate" for BYU
even though it's the exact same team starting the exact same year. NIU has
been a very respectable team lately, even playing in a BCS bowl & having a
Heisman finalist. Thought there would have been a lesson learned with dissing
on having ISU on the schedule. Gotta love Karma!
@TanMan_101"There's a big difference from playing teams
like this or worse twice a season than playing them 11 or 12 times a
season"That is a very exaggerated comment. utah doesn't
play NIU caliber teams only twice a season. This year, Idaho State, Fresno
State, Colorado, Washington State, and maybe even Arizona are at or below
Northern Illinois.As for BYU, saying we play a team worse than NIU
11 or 12 times a season suggests that they would be the biggest game of the
season for us. That is far from the truth.We scheduled them in 2018
and 2020. Let's look at who BYU is playing so far.2018-
Arizona, Wisconsin, Utah State, Boise State, NIU, Hawaii, utah2020-
Arizona, Arizona State, Boise State, NIU, Stanford, VirginiaI know
that by 2018 some of these teams will be better and some will be worse. But
going off of where these programs are at right now, NIU is better than Hawaii,
Virginia, utah, and maybe Arizona. That's it. They are one of the worst
opponents so far in our 2018 and 2020 schedules, not one of the best.
@Y's little brotherThe real test is how many P5 teams has Utah
actually "scheduled," not counting teams that the conference schedules
for you.-----------So you agree that BYU, scheduled
2016-19, is not a P5 team? Has reality finally sunk in down south?FYI: Oregon 2012: Arkansas State, Fresno, and Tennessee Tech
@sammygSpringville, UTPadding that schedule I see.---------I don't think you want to compare BYU's BCS
Resume to NIU.
SMU/Rice/Houston makes more sense than adding NIU as far as recruiting goes. I
don't think we have a player on the roster from Illinois.Lets
hop the 2019 spot is held for BYU, for a chance at EIGHT-PEAT.
I don't like this. Playing USU would be more interesting. NIU does
nothing for Utah.File this in Dr. Hill's 'mistake'
"I hope it is with a team from the Texas, Florida, or Louisiana
states."If it is, it'll be a team like Prairie View
A&M, Jacksonville, or Southeastern Louisiana.
Re: Let's see: No playoff for U2001 at BYU2002 at Utah2003 at BYU2004 at Utah2005 at BYU2006 at
Utah2007 at BYU2008 at Utah2009 at BYU2010 at Utah2011 at BYU2012 at Utah2013 at BYU2016 at Utah2017 at
BYU2018 at UtahIt doesn't matter where it is played:Year Winner2001 BYU2002 Utah2003 Utah2004
Utah2005 Utah2006 BYU2007 BYU2008 Utah2009 BYU2010 Utah2011 Utah2012 Utah2013 Utah2016 Utah2017 Utah2018 Utah
Why would Utah ever play BYU or USU again?When Utah wins
head-to-head against BYU and USU, they still claim to be better (even if they
lost to Utah by 44)
This leaves one game left to schedule in 2019. I hope it is with a team from
the Texas, Florida, or Louisiana states.
@tomahawk redWhat would have made you think utah had any scheduling
power at all? The crackerbox stadium assuring low payouts for visitors? The
guaranty of being on the little seen pac12 network in the worst possible time
slot? The "honor" of playing one of the worst teams in the pac12? lol
"Not sure if we have the scheduling power we thought."We
don't.Michigan was an aberration.Utah State
won't even schedule us anymore unless it's a home and home.
So the Utes are playing Southern Utah, North Dakota, and Weber State instead of
playing Utah State?Sorry Dr. Hill, but there's no defending the
arrogance and cowardice of that decision.
Can't understand why Utah went for a home-and-home with NIU.Not
sure if we have the scheduling power we thought. That or we have a weak
There's a big difference from playing teams like this or worse twice a
season than playing them 11 or 12 times a season
MyPerspectiveThe real test is how many P5 teams has Utah actually
"scheduled," not counting teams that the conference schedules for
you.There's nothing noteworthy about others doing the hard work
for you; just as there's nothing noteworthy about clinging to the coat
tails of P5 programs that have actually accomplished something.Slap
another PAC 12 sticker on something if it helps you feel special about yourself.
Padding that schedule I see. Frantic and emotional back-pedaling
Cougar_Trojan_Spurs_Fan:"...you should have demanded a
2-for-1,...Haven't you criticized BYU in the past for making similar
arrangements?"We have. But NIU isn't a 2-for-1.It's interesting reading the comments on these threads about the
scheduling of NIU. Cougar fans were excited to find them on THEIR future
schedules. Ute fans...not so much. I'd say that's a pretty telling
phenomenon as to how each team feels about scheduling MAC teams. The Anti Chris:Why would Chris B have to eat any crow? With Weber
St, NIU, and our southern little brother on our 2018 schedule, that leaves Utah
with a minimum of 9 games scheduled vs. Power 5 teams. There's also a
minimum of 9 on our 2019 season as well. So what was your point?
anti,What are you talking about?We DO have 9 games
against the big boys that year!
2018 - 2019 Chris Hill: 3 mid-majors 9 P5 opponents2018 - 2019 Tom
Holmoe: 10 mid-majors 2 P5 opponentsYep, sounds about right.I don't understand why P5 continue to schedule mid-major teams.
There's no benefit whatsoever. I like the model put forward by Nick
Saban...P5 programs schedule 12 P5 teams. End of discussion. P5 programs need
their own division. Cut the chord and get it done.Go P5s!!
Wait, Chris B, I thought Pac 12 teams are too good for a team like NIU. And if
they do happen to schedule them, I thought they were supposed to demand a
2-for-1. And if it turned out to be a home and home, I thought the first game
was supposed to be at the bigger school. Please clear this up for me because
everything you have said about scheduling appears to be wrong.Chris
B on BYU scheduling NIU:"We'd rather disassociate ourselves
from you (BYU) as you are a mid major and we've moved onto bigger and
better things."Funny how right after he says that utah schedules
a mid-major. Looks like you haven't moved on to bigger and better
things.Brave Sir Robin on BYU scheduling NIU:"NIU is
a great example of how scheduling down is a great way to artificially inflate
your ranking."Well, Brave Sir Robin, looks like the utes are
guilty of scheduling down to artificially inflate their ranking as well.
Don't even try to argue against that, as those are your very own words
shooting down the utes.
Here is one Ute fan that will not try to rationalize or give excuses for this.
When I saw the news I was shocked and pretty upset. I understand it will be good
from a recruiting stand point to reach out to other parts of the nation, but I
was laughing to myself that the best BYU could do was schedule NIU and ISU. Now
Utah? I would rather schedule teams in the bottom half of the SEC, Big 10 or Big
12 than NIU.
Northern Illinois is a more worthy opponent than BYU or Weber. Those two are
way too easy to beat.
Hilarious.NIU is a great pick-up for the Utes. Its just funny that
BYU had the same announcement.
VegasUte"We have that already [a 2-1 with BYU]"Gotta laugh at your desperate attempt to "manufacture" a 2-1 with
BYU.Let's see:2001 at BYU2002 at Utah2003 at BYU2004 at Utah2005 at BYU2006 at Utah2007 at
BYU2008 at Utah2009 at BYU2010 at Utah2011 at BYU2012 at Utah2013 at BYU2016 at Utah2017 at BYU2018 at
UtahBy your delusional method of calculating, BYU demanded a 2-1
from Utah when the Utes joined the PAC.
Apparently talking about the fact that Ute fans ridiculed BYU days ago for
scheduling 1-1 with NIU is censorable. Let's see if this gets through. I
just have to chuckle about this one. NIU has been a great team of late.
Cougar_Trojan_Spurs_Fan:"you should have demanded a
2-for-1"We have that already with the mid-major from down south
- 2016 & 2018 at RES, 2017 at LES.Go Utes!!
Please refer to Chris B's comments when it was announced that BYU will play
Northern Ill.BYU fans:"Why don't you guys just
schedule home and homes with 8-9 power conference teams every year?You want to be considered a big boy right?100% of the big boys
schedule 8-9 games against power conference teams.Why doesn't
byU?Chris BSo Chris. Ready to eat some crow? I guess you
consider yourself outside of the big boy crowd? LOL
Way to go utes. This will certainly impress the voters. I can't wait for
the spin from CB and Ekute and the rest of the utsies.
Is it true we have 3 mid majors scheduled for out of conference that year?
byu, Northern Illinois, and Weber.
Oh, I can't wait to see the comments on this from both the red and blue
fans. This is going to be fun.
After reading some 70+ comments, most of which were from faithful Ute
"fans" trying to 'disassociate' themselves from BYU, I'm
sure this news is welcomed and appreciated.With #3 bowl-less season
looming ahead this is a great news!Go Utes!
Ute fans - I'm surprised by this. Seeing how you are in the mighty PAC-12,
you should have demanded a 2-for-1, with game 1 of the series slated for RES in
2017, but instead, you travel to their place first? Haven't you criticized
BYU in the past for making similar arrangements?Pot meet kettle.