The lawsuit will not go far. However, it will accomplish it's actual
purpose by keeping Mr. Boyak's name in the press and making the Libertas
Institute seem like a credible organization.
@micaelitos:Further clarification: while the federal government is
not in the business of making curriculum, in practicality, all states in the
common core will have nearly the same curriculum for Language Arts, Math, and
Science. Utah's curriculum and testing is designed by AIR, a Mega-gov-corp
based in D.C. that provides curriculum for at least half the states. Utah pays
for their services. Yes, the state says what is wants, but what it gets is
pretty much what the Mega-gov-corp produces for all the others. Again, this is not all bad. But I don't think we should be deluded into
thinking that the curriculum for the common core is created locally by Utah
educators. That's just not the case.
As a teacher, the first I heard of Common Core was that it was beyond our
control and we were going to have to do it. We were told that implementation
would be difficult, but that we would just have to handle it. I felt that it was
rammed down my throat. I didn't care for it then, and I don't much
like it now.
Key points in the Common Core (CC) Timeline:$53.6 Billion from the Stimulus Bill
02/17/09. Secretary of Ed Duncan lauded the CC efforts of Achieve and Gates.
USED hired 2 key employees from Gates, James Shelton & Margot Rogers. March
2009 Duncan used Stimulus funds to start Race to the Top. Utah applied. 06/01/09
NGA and CCSO reported 46 states had "joined a state led process to adopt
CC" without saying what "joining" meant. 2 weeks later NGA held a
forum for 21 governors with Duncan spliced in saying "My job is to help you
succeed in adopting common national standards". 07/24/09 he said RTTT was a
REFORM competition. The States had to compete for money by showing commitment to
CC. UTAH committed to the CC Standards and Assessments BEFORE they were WRITTEN.
Phase I deadline 01/19/2010. First draft of CC March 2010. Only DE & TN won
grants. Phase II application deadline June 1. NGA released final K-12 CC draft
June 2. Utah had until August 2, 2010 to amend application and submit
"evidence" of adopting CC Standards after June 1 plus membership in SBAC
to develop standardized tests aligned with CC. Gates assisted 24 states prep
It appears to me that the legal challenge has merit. But I believe that the
adoption of common core will have such far-reaching impact on every citizen of
Utah which will also affect citizens of other states, that I would suggest
dropping the legal wrangling and putting the question on a Utah ballot.The debate should not just include the procedural aspects of the law. It
should include a debate over parental and local control vs. state and national
control over education. Make no mistake - standards and assessments are most
effective control mechanisms.
Common core is absolutely ridiculous! It's government encroachment into
controlling education and neither wanted or needed. Those
'test's', are not warranted, and it's, in essence, a dumbing
down of schools and the children who want to learn, are held back by those who
cannot do as well, for whatever the reason. ALL, children do NOT learn the
same, they cannot be grouped together as all being 'equal', simply
because they do NOT learn at the same rate or the same way. You cannot hold back
a child who is smarter than another, it seems sort of cruel, but not all
children are 'smart' together. Some move on, while others will just
lag behind, for many reasons, but no matter, they are all different, not exactly
the same. Schools do not have cookie cutter children.
My personal experience with Common Core:1. I didn't hear
anything about Common Core until it was on it's way to implementation. I
have spent three years researching the curriculum, standards, and
implementation.....I cannot find anything suggesting Common Core will be good
for my children.2. I asked my district superintendent and two
school board members about Common Core. Pointing to a book on his shelf, supt.
said,'Common Core is now the law in Utah. There is nothing we can do about
it'. Why, then, are we paying supt. salaries and electing school board
members?3. I cannot see my son't 8th grade Common Core
pre-test because it is sealed. I was told I would need to petition the USOE for
permission to do so.4. USOE's office of assessments cannot,
(phone call conversation) tell me where the data being collected on my children
is going. 5. As per a conversation with a representative from
USOE, teachers will not feasibly be able to implement any flexibility regarding
the standard driven Common Core curriculum.Let's address the
When he talks of local control, it's his control that he is talking about.
Open meeting and asked for input was not given to the citizens and tax payers
and parents. I tried to contact and voice my opinion on this common core concept
and I was denied because the comments and input was limited to a certain
demographics of educators and administrators in the education department.And who is the Boycott to presume that we people don't want to be
involved in our childrens lives? The school boards and schools and all their
actions have been to lock out parents and taxpayers and public from information
and school policies.I have never met a teacher who favored the
common core and there was many reports from other resources that denied this
common cora and sad it is nothing but government controlled propaganda.Any parent that has studied and informed themselves of this common core do not
like it and representation. The BOE favor only the financial riches the federal
government promises education departments if they let the feds take control of
the curriculum and class room materials.This common core issue
should have been put on the ballot as required by law.
If Boyack is as libertarian as he claims he is, why hasn't he come out
against the bans for marijuana and gay marriage? Why hasn't he called out
his own church for their obstruction of freedom in marriage?So
health care and welfare and federal parks and common core is socialism. But
marijuana bans and gay marriage bans is freedom?I don't think
Boyack knows what being a libertarian is.
Connor Boyack is a scary radical writer whose literature makes Cleon Skousen or
the John Bircher Society look moderate.He's merely trying to
make a name for himself. Ignore the static and move on toward
progression. Education will continue to roll forward with or without the
It is interesting that the Utah legislature passed a new law that would require
further vetting of education reforms because of the process by which these
standards were adopted. Additionally, what I have heard from
teachers and parents are not concerns about the standards per say, but who has
control of those standards, data collection of students, and reallocation of
teachers/schools - based high stakes testing results - on federal algorithms
rather than local administrators. This is not local education. Utah
can produce better results.
OK Walker: "Both appear to have been designed to dumb down learning."
"Common Core methods appear to be designed to make children hate
math."Right, educators and education professionals worked for
years on "designing" standards to help students fail. Comments like this
are what strips credibility from the anti CC crowd. That, and the
total lack of honesty in Libertas' mission. Being on the extreme far right
is not defined as "non-partisan" by anyone but Boyack.
From what I have seen, Common Core is to math what the whole language method is
to reading. Both appear to have been designed to dumb down
learning. Reading literacy has gone from 99.9% teaching reading with phonics in
1910 (with only 8 grades of reading) to lower than 80% with 12 years of school
when educators used the whole language method. Actually, it is worse than that.
Just listen to teenagers who you know try to read aloud anything complex, like
the scriptures. Similarly, Common Core methods appear to be
designed to make children hate math. The long term result will only further
reduce the ability of young adults to think for themselves. They will have
little capability to compute anything. They will be fully trained socialists
totally incapable of thinking for themselves and analyzing anything
important.But the government will know everything about them... They
will become totally manipulated hostages to a top-down government that aims to
control everyone and everything. One solution: homeshool. Use
phonics exclusively. Teach the fundamentals of math. Get the kids into college
at 16 or younger. Watch them excel.
Another frivolous lawsuit. They did have public input meetings because I went
to some of them. This stuff is just crazy.
It is wonderful that CC promotes higher standards. I just don't see why
states cannot come up with 'higher standards' for their schools. I
worry when we must rely upon the Federal Government for everything - too much
government for my tastes. With the states, at least there is a better chance
that programs can be devised to meet the general populace in that state. Some
states have more issues with immigrant children, some have less. A one program
fits all, in my opinion, has never been a good option.Perhaps the
mandate requiring input from so many might be burdensome at times, but not
having it allows for more abuse as evidenced by all of the bills our legislators
keep passing without having time to read them. I would rather citizens have a
voice and things take longer, than to have no voice as the population is
railroaded into submission.
@Web GeekI am a big proponent of Common Core, as it sets forth a rigorous,
consistent set of standards that will help our children be better ready for
college and careers.I have not called anyone names, and for that
matter, I'm actually very conservative.If you have any
legitimate problems with the Common Core, I would love to help dispel your
doubts. I just haven't heard a single detractor to the Common Core present
@Commenter88As a point of clarification, curriculum and testing are not
set by the Common Core. The Core prescribes educational standards, but it is up
to the state, district and teacher to develop curriculum on how to get the
students to achieve the standard as well as the testing that measures if such
achievement was attained.You can read the actual standards
themselves. For example, a math standard for 2nd grade is:CCSS.MATH.CONTENT.2.OA.B.2Fluently add and subtract within 20 using
mental strategies. By end of Grade 2, know from memory all sums of two one-digit
numbers.Still the curriculum of how to teach and get the student at
that standard is up to the district, teacher, etc.Hope that helps!
To EJM re: If our government(s) had to wait to make any decision until they had
consulted with specifically "identifiable" groups and receiving their
blessing or no vote then if we think the wheels of government move slow now..That would appear to be a definition of the seemingly endless years of
lawsuits from groups protesting Utah lands and roads being run by the State
instead the Feds. Ditto Fed control of just about everything else in our
lives now, including what our children will learn. Can't have
it both ways...I like slower in this case. Kinda like reading the bill before
you pass it, so you'll know what's in it.
Our children are being used as political pawns in this game of anti-government,
anti-federalism, and anti-anything speaking to the UNITED States of America. Shame on the folks who have grabbed onto a political agenda at the
expense of students.
Proponents of Common Core seem more interested in using rhetoric, calling names,
and dismissing the opposition as "extremists" than actually debating the
If the Libertas institute didn't have public education as their whipping
boy what other group would they choose. Connor is trying to make a name for
himself. The court should throw this out... post haste.
Boyack has a point. Asking for input in an open meeting is not the same thing as
a call for input. If the state office has documented solicitations and/or
responses, then it will be easy for the state to pass this hurdle. My suspicion
is that they do not. Especially if Utah's sub-statute for conditions is
unique among other states. As for the common core, it will help the
great influx of English language learners in our system, and others, to catch
up. And more of them will be career-ready. But the bad is that Utah's
highest scores will surely drop. And overall fewer student's will be
college-ready for the better schools. The common core has many other
disconcerting points as well, such as stripping narrative as a primary learning
mode, stripping the best literature, and a more formulaic, more boilerplate
experience for all students.For the common core to improve, it needs
to allow for local exceptions to curriculum and testing.
The most the lawsuit will accomplish is forcing the State School Board to
conduct more public hearings, after which they will most likely adopt the same
Language and Math standards. It is interesting that the people who
are against the Common Core Standards object simply because they were produced
via federal funding. The Utah State School Board voluntarily adopted the
standards after a thorough review. They were not forced to by any federal
agency. I have yet to see an objection to the standards themselves,
only their "source" or the "procedure" used to adopt them.
"Common Core has become a dog whistle for the Republican Party."Uh huh. That's why big names like Jeb Bush and Mike Huckabee are
pushing so hard in support of it...Here's a fun game. Try
googling "liberals against Common Core" or "Democrats against Common
Core." You'll soon see that this is not a partisan issue, as you have
claimed. NPR, Huffington Post, and others have all covered this angle. At least one of the Plaintiffs named in this very lawsuit is a lifelong
Democrat and proud Obama voter. So, stop lumping all Common Core opponents in
with the Republicans. We don't appreciate it.Plus, if
you'd ever been to the Libertas website, you'd know they certainly
don't cow-tow to Republicans. Nice try, though.
This litigation is absolutely ridiculous. I work in education. And we need
standards like Common Core. CC really has become the dog whistle of the far
right. As an educator, CC is the best thing that has happened to Utah education
in 25 years. I also love how different opponents of CC cannot even
agree on what is wrong with CC. Some say it is too hard (scoff, says Europe and
Asia). Some say it is too federal (Although Obama had nothing to do with it).
Some say they did not get a personal invite delivered to them by a 72 piece
trumpet brigade (Maybe we should have sent a cupcake to entice your
participation in the open meetings?).
From the libertas website...Libertas exists to advance the cause of
liberty within the State of Utah. The Institute promotes liberty by generating
NON-PARTISAN analysis and commentary on public policy issues relating to Utah,
and recommending our findings to opinion leaders, policy makers, media, and
Core has become a dog whistle for the Republican Party.Non
Partisan?How can the lawsuit be taken seriously when the
Institute(?) does not follow its own Mission Statement?
"Having an open meeting is not the same thing as consulting proactively with
specifically identifiable groups"So when they held open meetings
and asked for participation, they needed to specifically include these 6
educators and parents on the list of invitees... Oh, well, that makes sense...
Just one question then: How do I get on the special list? I want
special invites, too! I mean, I can't be expected to actually look at the
Utah school board's website, or be involved enough to know what's
coming down the pipe, or talk to anyone with the PTA or other involved group. I
mean, after all, an open meeting isn't really open if I'm not there.
That's it! I want to join the lawsuit, because I should have received a
personal invitation, too! We'll sue the pants off them because I should
have been personally notified about this 4 years ago!!!
If our government (s) had to wait to make any decision until they had consulted
with specifically "identifiable" groups and receiving their blessing or
no vote then if we think the wheels of government move slow now....this is why
we elect people. To make those decisions in the first place. Then, if we
don't like those decisions we can vote them out. That's the beauty of
our country. Yet, it seems that anymore that every little group who feels as if
their voice has not been heard (i.e., had things go their way) then let's
file that lawsuit. Yes, I know. That is another beauty of American
jurisprudence. If we feel as if we have been aggrieved in some form then we sue.
But this? Just grandstanding.
They held open meetings. They asked for input. And now, simply because it's
the latest flavor of the month, the Libertas Institute is suing. How
ridiculous!Higher, consistent standards = college and career
readiness = good for Utah children