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67 unaccompanied children who crossed U.S.-Mexico border placed with sponsors in Utah

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  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    Aug. 1, 2014 2:38 p.m.

    So we should deport these kids immediately to a country where they are being killed? Some of you don't think before you speak.

  • Alacrity Richfield, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 7:54 a.m.

    @ MaxPower:

    Contrary to what you naively believe, we do have limits to our national resources. California is currently in a bad drought, with barely enough water to drink and shower in some areas. Those people no longer are able to even water their lawns. If the population there was doubled, it would cause extreme hardships.

    If we didn't maintain any borders, as you suggested, and the population were to at least double, we would have gas shortages and the prices would jump significantly.

    Where would we house everyone? There would be shortages of building materials and housing prices would skyrocket. What about jobs. Most of those coming in would be like those currently sneaking in. They would have no education and no job skills. And most wouldn't know English. There wouldn't be nearly enough low-paying sector jobs to go around. Welfare would have to expand in a big, big way, with very little increased tax revenue due to very few of the new immigrants making enough to have to pay taxes. Therefore our federal deficit would increase even faster than now.

    It's obvious you haven't thought through your idea very much, if at all.

  • Mack2828 Ft Thomas, KY
    July 31, 2014 11:14 p.m.

    A few years ago the LDS Church faced an admittedly difficult decision regarding how to deal with illegal immigration. It was decided that the right course was to turn our back on and disobey the twelfth article of faith (obeying, honoring and sustaining the law).
    We are now witnessing the consequences of that disobedience to God's law.
    Lets go back to following the articles of faith. In this there is safety and peace.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    July 31, 2014 9:29 p.m.

    I am working in Guatemala and I can tell you first hand that there is poverty and their are gangs. It is a hard life here BUT!!! The parents that wish to take care of their kids work very hard at it. I have seen the women who walk to the coffee fields to meet their tired husbands. The husband carry the child on his shoulder. I have see the women begging in the streets with a child strapped to a board on her back. Six year old kids juggle at traffic lights for coins. Yes it is harder here but a parent who wishes to take care of their child can do it. There is a lot of success here and the economy appears to be doing well.

    Once Catholic Priest reduced population growth by 50% in his village buy giving away TVs. This is their social issue. Not ours.

  • RRB SLC, UT
    July 31, 2014 7:52 p.m.

    It only takes one child born here to make all the children in the household eligible for Medicaid, food stamps, and limited monetary help.

    Chips and other programs can be accessed by people here illegally. A recent study over Utah's driver licenses showed over 6,000 had fake licenses that were used to get service. 65,000 children with a cost of $8,000 per student costs Utah taxpayers $520 million dollars a year.

    All to fatten the pockets of business owners.

  • tenx Santa Clara, UT
    July 31, 2014 5:16 p.m.

    @Neil T. ---- What you say is true about LEGAL immigrants. I have been through it also. But not true about Illegals. They know how to game the system and get those Benes. And now BO has recruited them (amnesty) and is setting records on the amount he will spend on them. I say 60,000 times a $300 one way air ticket ($18,000,000) is much, much cheaper than $3.7 billion and sends a message to those planning to come that the money they pay the coyotes will be a loss. The important issue is to stop the 150,000 planning to come next year and the 300,000 the next year, etc. etc. Its a big world out there and when the word gets around about amnesty and benefits we will have standing room only. Viva LEGAL immigration.

  • RRB SLC, UT
    July 31, 2014 5:01 p.m.

    Loving one another does not mean just love one group of people. The open border people have used that to justify the past 7 amnesties.

    If I break the law, and I'm caught, I expect to be punished. I expect the same thing for everyone else. Punishment for wrong doing is compassion. Allowing people to break the laws of the land is not compassionate.

    Allowing someone to suffer their own consequences is an act of the utmost love; any parent will so testify.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    July 31, 2014 4:50 p.m.

    To "MaxPower" but allowing children to stay here is not a victimless crime. They cost taxpayers thousands of dollars every year. I picture Jesus doing exactly what I have said to do. Care for them, then send them home so that they can obey the law. Jesus obeyed the Roman laws, so why shouldn't the illegal immigrants obey US law?

    Actually disregarding immigration laws is not similar to speeding. If an immigrant does more than just hang around spending money, they are committing Social Security Fraud, driving with licenses, and often engage in ID theft.

    They are stealing from you, maybe not directly, but they do steal from you. Who do you think pays for their hospital visits once they are allowed to stay. Since they are not paid regular paychecks they have no income so Medicaid pays for their care. That means your money is taken forcefully and is given to them.

    Again, would you allow illegal immigrants to harm or steal from you in any way?

    If you are opposed to illegal immigration, why should we let people who come here illegally stay? Wouldn't that be supporting illegal immigration by letting them stay?

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    July 31, 2014 4:47 p.m.

    MaxPower

    "Why must there be a line?"

    Because God believes in boundaries. You are not better than God.

    "I have done nothing special to deserve the blessings of this land."

    So what. With enjoyment of these blessings come special responsibilities.

    Among these is respect for the rule of law. It is inappropriate to teach foreign children that the fruits of freedom are here merely for the pickin'. These fruits were purchased with a price -- in many cases, with the blood of servicemen who upheld those values and gave their lives accordingly. Persons who willfully allow foreign invaders who do NOT subscribe to these values to overtake this land, do slap these American servicemen in the face.

    The solution is to deport all illegal aliens and thus teach them that there is a price tag attached to these blessings. The price tag includes immigrating to this country in the legal fashion, to the extent such immigration benefits THIS nation and its citizens. That incidentally is the true purpose of immigration.

    Want to share your blessings? Consider donating from your private resources to charities dedicated to helping people live better lives in their own countries. Feel free to donate all you want.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    July 31, 2014 4:01 p.m.

    @Neil T
    Much has been said about illegal aliens (or even immigrants) not being allowed to receive social service benefits.
    In fact, laws are on the books that prohibit immigration of people likely to become a public charge.
    But the REALITY of the situation is that anyone can get benefits with fake documents or even made-up social security numbers. No one is checking.
    Obama's own aunt is a perfect example. Had anyone checked, they would have found out that she was ordered deported in 2004. She was what is termed a "fugitive absconder," subject to immediate deportation.
    Yet, she was receiving free housing, food stamps, and free health care for her illnesses.
    It happens all the time.
    If the laws were being enforced we wouldn't have a problem. No one could get a job without a work visa. Illegals would be deported immediately for their first DUI.
    But there is no enforcement, so illegals are getting jobs and welfare benefits.
    ONE THIRD of all foreign-born are here illegally. That's how bad it is.

  • MaxPower Eagle Mountain, UT
    July 31, 2014 3:43 p.m.

    @RedShirt

    Neither do I advocate illegal immigration, but I think we need to make legal immigration far, far easier. We the People govern ourselves, and our laws reflect our priorities and ideals.

    Bank robbing clearly is not a victimless crime, and it is easy to show harm; Where is the harm in allowing children to come in and take care of them? Do you picture the Savior turning these kids away? He Himself was a refugee in His youth.

    Disregarding immigration laws is similar to speeding in your vehicle. Wouldn't it be more consistent to say those that speed should lose all driving privileges, and begin again the process of regaining their drivers license after having spent several years on a wait list? After all, both are seen with the same gravity before the law.

    Do you have illegals camping in your yard? Have you ever? That's a red herring.

    Has an illegal ever stolen your kids lunch? Ever? Red Herring.

    The process of my wife getting her green card was far more difficult than it was for me to secure my SECRET clearance with the Army. That is just wrong.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    July 31, 2014 3:11 p.m.

    To "MaxPower" it does help us to fulfill the commandments more fully by enforcing the laws of the land. I never said that we should shut down immigration. I fully support LEGAL immigration of people that have worked with the system to get here.

    Would you allow a poor person to rob a bank and keep the money, even if nobody was hurt? If you want laws regarding robbery enforced, why not enforce immigration laws? If you don't like the immigration laws, why not work to get the laws changed?

    If you still think that ignoring the immigration laws is good, just think of it this way. If it is so easy for a 12 year old child to get here, what about a trained adult terrorist carrying materials for a dirty bomb? How do you expect to stop a trained adult terrorist if you can't stop a 12 year old child?

    Plus, if the people coming here disregard our immigration laws, what other laws are they willing to ignore? Would you accept a group of illegals setting up camp in your back yard? Would you accept them taking your child's lunch each day?

  • MaxPower Eagle Mountain, UT
    July 31, 2014 2:53 p.m.

    @Alacrity

    The wars you mentioned took tremendous tolls on our country and at least a generation to recover from.

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    Ever hear of the Roaring 20's? My parents generation (Dad was born in 57) was also fairly well off (the most prosperous generation in history).

    As far as my numbers, I was only quoting those unaccompanied minors, not all illegal aliens.

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    There are hundreds of millions of poorer people around the world who would jump at the chance of coming to the USA if they knew they could stay.
    Where do you propose we draw the line... if at all?

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    Why must there be a line? I have done nothing special to deserve the blessings of this land. When I was born, the work that made us so great had been done, by immigrants, that made us so great. How can I in good conscious feast at a table full of food, but kick the hungry orphan out?

    We are a land of plenty. We pay our farmers to not grow food. We are a blessed nation that has a responsibility to share with the world. To be a beacon of righteousness, not "I got mine, too bad for you."

  • Alacrity Richfield, UT
    July 31, 2014 2:25 p.m.

    @ Darrell:

    The wars you mentioned took tremendous tolls on our country and at least a generation to recover from. Just because we eventually did recover, are you proposing we should willfully take on more huge illegally based challenges?

    Your numbers are wrong. There are approximately a quarter million illegal aliens who sneak into our country every year. Well, many just willfully overstay their limited-time visas. Nevertheless, the overall numbers are huge.

    On top of that, at the rate these minors keep coming, there will be close to 100,000 unaccompanied children this year alone. And if they are allowed to stay, immigration officials expect next years number to quickly grow much higher... perhaps even doubling.

    Free access to the United States and its many bounties is literally like winning the lottery to South American people. The more who all allowed to stay, the many more who will follow. It's extremely naive to believe otherwise.

    There are hundreds of millions of poorer people around the world who would jump at the chance of coming to the USA if they knew they could stay.
    Where do you propose we draw the line... if at all?

  • MaxPower Eagle Mountain, UT
    July 31, 2014 2:23 p.m.

    @RedShirt

    To "Darrel" you only have half of it there. According to the BoM this is a promised land as long as the people serve God and worship him.

    Regardless of your political leanings, do you think that the US worships God more or less now than it did 100 years ago? I would say that we are moving further away from God and his commandments

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    And shutting down immigration makes us keep the commandments more fully?

    The Parable of the Sheep and Goats has them separated purely on how the poor, afflicted and sick are treated.

    If we are farther from God, it is we who are to blame, not these innocents crossing the border.

  • Hey It's Me Salt Lake City, UT
    July 31, 2014 2:18 p.m.

    If you're willing to take in the children are you the same people crying don't split families by sending parents that are illegal back to Mexico. Unless all the illegals that are here thaat are adults pay into social security and the tax system, America is going to be broke. You can't keep taking my hard earned money that I barely get by on and keep giving it to those who break laws. If you are willing to take the kids in are you willing to use your own money to pay ;their medical bills, get their school supplies and clothes etc. Are you willing to support them 100 % without asking the government for help? If not then they need to go back and come legally so they are in the system. There is gang violence everywhere in the world even here in the good old USA. Why are we more worried about the illegals than American kids who are starving and uneducated. Let's take care of our problems before we start taking care of everyone else's.

  • Alacrity Richfield, UT
    July 31, 2014 2:08 p.m.

    I have a sister-in-law who teaches grade school in Cache County.

    She has first hand experience in how illegal immigration effects different segments of our society. It is placing a huge burden on the school systems. Most of the younger kids don't speak English in their homes so aren't proficient with it.

    The schools then have to hire extra teachers and teacher-aids to deal with these kids who struggle. In spending so much extra time with them, they aren't able to spend the time they should or want to spend with their citizen students. Therefore, those students are being slowed down academically.

    Almost all the illegals qualify for and receive free lunches. They also take full advantage of available programs for free breakfasts before school and extra food after school. Few of their parents make enough to pay any taxes or else don't pay any from being paid wages under-the-table.

    She said illegal immigration truly places big burdens in multiple ways on their school system in Cache county and probably in most counties in Utah.

    Similar stories can rightfully be told concerning local hospitals and health situations.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    July 31, 2014 2:06 p.m.

    To "Darrel" you only have half of it there. According to the BoM this is a promised land as long as the people serve God and worship him.

    Regardless of your political leanings, do you think that the US worships God more or less now than it did 100 years ago? I would say that we are moving further away from God and his commandments.

  • Darrel Eagle Mountain, UT
    July 31, 2014 1:46 p.m.

    America has withstood 2 world wars
    1 civil war
    Pearl Harbor
    9/11
    The Great Depression

    But 60,000 kids without parents at the border? Nope that is too much.

  • Tators Logan, UT
    July 31, 2014 1:43 p.m.

    @ riverofsun:

    It's ridiculous to keep playing the religion card on the people of Utah in these kinds of situations. You and a few others keep trying to make Utahans feel like they aren't good LDS members if they don't totally open up all their hearts and resources to these illegals, even without truly knowing the actual reasons for them coming here.

    Well, it truly possible to be a good church member and also believe in the rule of law. In fact, whose to say that following the laws of the land doesn't actually make a person a better church member?

    I've read some of your comments on other articles and topics. You've shown a tendency to play the Mormon church theme card from both sides of the fence. Downplay-it if it fits into your agenda and/or play-it-up when it does. Those of us who follow the comment sections don't buy into it. You should save the waffling back and forth for the politicians... the experts.

    It's actually not any kind of conundrum at all. You apparently would like it to be in order to further your agenda.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    July 31, 2014 1:33 p.m.

    @ dotGone, you say "Protect us as Netanyahu protects Isreal. (sic)." This assumes that these children are a threat on par with Hamas. Comparing these children to Hamas fighting Israel is beyond the pale. It's not the same, by any means of the imagination. (Moderator: you could read the prior comments).

  • Crackers n Cheese Price, UT
    July 31, 2014 1:28 p.m.

    A Viet Nam family, meaning PARENTS and their children, cannot be compared to the thousands of little kids coming here with no means for caring for themselves. This is a catastrophic event.

  • Darrel Eagle Mountain, UT
    July 31, 2014 1:12 p.m.

    @rvalens2

    The lifeboat known as the U.S.S. America is overloaded and about to sink, taking all of us down with it

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    Going to assume that because you are posting here, you are LDS. I do not know you, so I apologize if I assume incorrectly.

    The Book of Mormon calls this a "Promised Land" One of abundance, blessings and prosperity. If this book is correct, should we not seek to share these blessings? Is there not enough to go around if these blessings are indeed promised from Him whose this land is to give?

    Nephi and Lehi left because of the situations in their home land and came here. As did the Jaredites.

    I often wonder what I must have done to merit these blessings, if anything. I often wonder if I was placed in my position of privilege to see how I could cope with this. Brigham Young said that he had no doubt the Saints could endure poverty, but doubted their ability to endure Abundance. I see much wisdom in his words.

  • rvalens2 Burley, ID
    July 31, 2014 1:03 p.m.

    The lifeboat known as the U.S.S. America is overloaded and about to sink, taking all of us down with it.

    To those who want to allow the children to stay I say, let's set up a program where each of you can foot the full cost of feeding and clothing these children until they turn 18 or graduate from college. That way you can assuage your angst at having to return these children to their rightful families.

    Any volunteers?

    The U.S. needs very few, if any, immigrants. Our continent no longer needs to be colonized.

    Send them back.

    If we don't turn off the spigot, we could soon find ourselves living in a Third World "pais."

  • dotGone Puyallup, WA
    July 31, 2014 1:00 p.m.

    Furthermore.... yes, help people, but don't make your own family homeless to accomplish that. We are an affluent nation, but we cannot take on all the masses of people who need help. We can do some good, but if we do not do it in a rational, measured way, we will soon have nothing to give.
    My husband and I sponsored refugees from Laos in early 1980s. It was very satisfying to help them get integrated. I would not mind sponsoring a few refugees from Latin America. But lets not let ourselves be overwhelmed by waves of refugees so that our own boat sinks. And lets make sure terrorists are not sneaking in that wide open door.
    A rational, measured, orderly response. Don't throw money... cuz there is no government money, it's all taxpayer money.

  • Loconic Alpine, UT
    July 31, 2014 12:57 p.m.

    @ skeptic:

    Yes, you do seem to be a skeptic who views situations with unwarranted skepticism. Where do you come up with your ridiculous "hater team" term? Who exactly is it that hates these kids and what proof do you have that they do?

    What makes you think these kids don't already now have warm shelters to live in? You are obviously being judgmental of others.
    How many of these South American kids have you personally provided a home for? Or is this another "do as I say and not as I do" type of thing?

    BTW: The South American criminals you mentioned came to America illegally back in the 1980's. They made bad choices to join gangs, then were deported for doing so. Exactly how is that our fault?
    Are we also going to be responsible for all the choices the people who are currently coming into our country illegally make down the road? Such reasoning is not well thought out. Try again.

    @ Darrell:

    Your wife was an exception and a good one at that. Congratulations to her.
    Most illegals coming here have no education or skills. And most can't speak English. Imported poverty.

  • Really??? Kearns, UT
    July 31, 2014 12:41 p.m.

    "Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me."

  • American First Merced, CA
    July 31, 2014 12:41 p.m.

    "Parents in living in countries overrun by gangs in Central America are dealing with impossible choices over what to do to ensure their children's safety, Fajardo said." - Yeah so let's send them to Los Angeles and Chicago...?

  • Loconic Alpine, UT
    July 31, 2014 12:33 p.m.

    @ one old man and NeilT:

    Why do you two and a few others read negative things into other people's comments that were never intended?

    Newflash... No one hates these minors. No one! Literally everyone here in Utah wants them to be treated humanely... even those who believe they should be sent back to their families in South America.

    People can believe in both humanitarianism as well as in obeying laws. They aren't mutually exclusive. So just because citizens don't like people taking advantage of loopholes in our laws and belief they should be respected and enforced, that in no way means those same people want children being mistreated.

    So quit putting words and erroneous intentions in other people's mouths and/or comments. You aren't making converts by doing so with your probably well-intended but misguided ways of thinking.

    The fact that people and sponsors sign commitment papers promising to show up for court hearings and then 7 of every 8 break their promises means something. It means they have no respect for our laws. They rationalize that their needs override our laws. Where should the line be drawn with such thinking?

  • tenx Santa Clara, UT
    July 31, 2014 12:31 p.m.

    @MapleDon. Good one and sooooooo true. Only problem they don't know how to shovel out....only in!

  • skeptic Phoenix, AZ
    July 31, 2014 12:17 p.m.

    What a shocker, 67 displaced, innocent, defenseless children have put the Utah hater team into convulsions. Chicken little's sky is falling. Wake up, look to your better side. Give the 67 kids a warm welcome, shelter and better prepare them to return to their home countries so as to improve on their families and communities. At the same time the USA needs to assist these Latin countries to fight the criminals that are causing the exodus of children. Many of the criminals in those countries received their training in the streets and prisons of USA, and they have connections and affiliations here. They are not just those countries problem, they are the USA's problem too.

  • coleman51 Orem, UT
    July 31, 2014 12:02 p.m.

    Just as the article says, they are taking these children from certain death. That is a categorically false statement and the DN needs to correct this. These children are coming across the border for no other reason than Barack Obama's policy misinterpretation that allows them to seek sanctuary and admittance in our country. They are told they won't be deported. Gary Herbert was sending a letter to the Obama regime protesting these illegals to protect his political CYA. The reality is that whatever Barack Obama wants, Gary Herbert will give, no real questions asked.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    July 31, 2014 12:01 p.m.

    The scriptures tell us to administer charity "in wisdom and in order." This includes ascertaining the true nature of a situation. Nice job, Deseret News, picking a photo of several little toddlers as if these represent those actually crossing the border illegally. This "children" situation is a scam. Here's how it works:

    Step 1. Parents enter the country illegally, in advance, without their children.

    Step 2. Arrangements are made for their teen-aged children to follow sometime later.

    Step 3. Abettors of illegal immigration in this country play on the emotions of gullible Americans and falsely guilt them by saying such things as, "these are CHILDREN!"

    Step 4. Once the children are allowed to stay, then the corrupt abettors cry, "Families! Families! Utahns believe in families! You wouldn't send the PARENTS home, now, would you? After all, this would tear a family apart!"

    Step 5. The illegal-alien parents are allowed to stay, along with their teen-aged children.

    Step 6. Mission accomplished!

    Meanwhile, the "children" are taught an unmistakable lesson: dishonesty, illegality, and devious manipulation of others' emotions is the correct way to get what one wants in life. Thus these children become morally corrupted.

    How "compassionate" is that.

  • JayTee Sandy, UT
    July 31, 2014 11:59 a.m.

    Strong flavors of "If you don't go along with Obama and those who profit from importing these people, then you're clearly a hard-hearted, selfish, materialistic, worldly infidel who doesn't really deserve to live in this country." Yep, over and over and over. We're supposed to lie down and sign up for everything that comes down the pike from "our leaders," and never question the infinite wisdom of those who instigate these disasters. Never mind actually REQUIRING something of these third-world "nations" in return for the billions in foreign aid we already give them, never mind any reciprocity like releasing one of our own citizens from prison after he inadvertently crossed the Mexican border, never mind any control or accountability, never mind any planning or policy. This is exactly the mentality that's highly desirable for a gullible, naive, and enabling population that will help ensure the eventual final demise of our nation. Amazing.

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    July 31, 2014 11:52 a.m.

    mocoregon

    The notion that love they neighbor "trumps" the 12th Article of Faith, is false doctrine. There is no conflict between the two. The one is part-and-parcel of the other.

    Wilf 55

    "Will God forgive us, if we fail in mercy?"

    You are not really in a position to offer mercy to the illegal alien in behalf of society. All you really can do is effectively shift the penalty from the lawbreaker to various innocent parties, make them scapegoats, and mercilessly deny them justice in the process. How about American families and their children who do suffer in a wide variety of ways because of rampant illegal immigration? Where is the mercy for them?

    Thus God never says, "Have compassion on the poor person; therefore, let him shoplift." No. Instead He says, "Obey, honor, and sustain the law," and, "Thou shalt not steal." Unless one personally is able to atone for the illegality of illegal aliens, it really is not his place to call for "mercy." That is Christ's purview, on His terms, and in His own time. OUR duty is to uphold the laws of the land. That is the only way to show mercy to everyone.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    July 31, 2014 11:06 a.m.

    To "NeilT" yes we should care for the children and for all of the illegals that try to make it into the US. We should clean them up, give them a warm bed, if needed some clean clothes and a medical checkup to make sure they are not spreading disease. Then once we have cared for them, we need to return the children to their families in their nation of origin and send any adult back to their nation of origin.

    If we don't send them back the US will be no better than the nations that the illegals are fleeing.

    To "fowersjl" the humane thing to do with your cleaning lady is to send her and her children back to Mexico. If she is so great, maybe you can sponsor her and get her here legally. When her children are 18, they can decide which nation they like more and can move there. The family stays together, and she can work to become legal if she really wants to be here.

  • Darrel Eagle Mountain, UT
    July 31, 2014 10:50 a.m.

    @gramma b

    That changed when the Democrats changed our immigration law. Now we deliberately import poverty, and allow others to sneak in who will eventually vote for anyone who promises the most handouts. Those of us who obey the law and pay taxes are viewed as chumps -- sheep to be shorn.

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    I can tell you have never been through the immigration process.

    My wife had to get Affadavits of support to get her green card. She was not placed on any dole.

    She is a college graduate, hard working daughter of God from South America. We have three fantastic children that could not have a better mother. This was in 2006.

    Where do you see that we deliberately import poverty? Where can you show that your ancestors came here legally? Many who came to Ellis Island were undocumented, but allowed in anyway.

    Is it a coincidence during the Immigration hey day of the early 1900's that we were able to win two world wars, but shutting down that system has made us lose pre-eminence?

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    July 31, 2014 10:48 a.m.

    Illegal immigrants are not eligible for government benefits. In fact legal immigrants are required to wait five years before being eligible. I have had first hand experience with immigration. My wife and step-son immigrated from Russia. It cost me $25,000 to bring them here and that was without an immigration attorney. Most people who do what I did pay an attorney $3,000.00. Just in case anyone is curious I don't support illegal immigration and never have.

  • sid 6.7 Holladay, UT
    July 31, 2014 10:48 a.m.

    @ Hockey Mom

    You want to know "Where Does It End?" and "What The Solution Is?".

    For those answers you will have to get down and pray. Be prepared, you might not agree with the answer you get. Throw it in between I'm struggling to feed my kids and what reward do I get for giving a generous Fast Offering.

  • ThornBirds St.George, UT
    July 31, 2014 10:41 a.m.

    Maybe Americans have it all wrong.
    Perhaps we were not meant to have the life of plenty, the nice home, nice car(s), everything we want.
    Maybe what is happening in the US now, is truly God's plan for America.
    It is the Age of Aquarius.
    Perhaps America was destined to be the land of refuge for those throughout our world who are suffering.
    Those of you who do a great deal of praying and meditating.....

  • gramma b Orem, UT
    July 31, 2014 10:38 a.m.

    When Emma Lazarus wrote "Give me your tired, your poor," and when my immigrant ancestors came here, the government wasn't immediately putting immigrants on the public dole like they do now. Our immigrant ancestors came here legally, for freedom, and for the opportunity to earn their own way, not to put their hands into the pockets of the people who were already here. Until the 1960's, even legal immigrants had to show that they could support themselves, or have an American sponsor who would guarantee they would not end up on public assistance. That changed when the Democrats changed our immigration law. Now we deliberately import poverty, and allow others to sneak in who will eventually vote for anyone who promises the most handouts. Those of us who obey the law and pay taxes are viewed as chumps -- sheep to be shorn.

  • Darrel Eagle Mountain, UT
    July 31, 2014 10:38 a.m.

    Jesus was a refugee immigrant when Herod decreed the death of all children under two years of age.

    What would have happened if the Egyptians had acted like many Utahns want and had swiftly sent him home to his land of origin?

    Let us all use some compassion and kindness.

  • sid 6.7 Holladay, UT
    July 31, 2014 10:28 a.m.

    RE: NeilT

    Well said my friend, well said.

    Re: Hockey Mom:

    As we discussed in the last article all the things you question do go on. I have seen it in Costa Rica and Mexico with my own eyes. Gang warfare, beatings, murders both child and adult, sex trafficking, Children use as drug Mules, all exist. The world out side of Utah/America can be a very rough place in certain areas especially in the Southern American Countries.

    I take it you are a God Fearing woman and quite frankly it baffles me as to how you could believe so faithfully in a being who's existence can not be proven yet you have a hard time believing these things exist in other countries. The physical proof of the latter looks you in the eyes on a daily basis.

    I too am a God Fearing Man and I am pretty sure I know what God and his Son Jesus would do in this situation and it's not sending them back.

  • Patriot Jim West Valley City, UT
    July 31, 2014 10:28 a.m.

    So, we now have 67 new felons in Utah. Are we going to prosecute them according to the law?

    Especially in light of the ramifications of the current law: Google the law and read it for yourself: Federal Immigration and Nationality Act of 1954

    Please note that Religious Organizations and Charitable Organizations are specifically mentioned in the law. They are not exempt from prosecution.

    Even giving an illegal alien a ride, or feeding him/her is a felony. And of course, renting them a room, or employing them is not allowed -- another felony. But, your car and your house can be confiscated for helping them.

    The law is very strict and precise.

    Perhaps, We, the People, of the United States need to file RICO charges against Obama and his staff as a massive class action suit.

    Federal Immigration and Nationality Act of 1954: Section 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii)

    "Any person who . . . encourages or induces an alien to . . . reside . . . knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such . . . residence is . . . in violation of law, shall be punished as provided . . . for each alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs . . . fined under title 18 . . . imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both."

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    July 31, 2014 10:26 a.m.

    How "DESTITUTE" can someone be if they can raise 8k to pay a coyote to bring them here?

    The more the facts come out regarding this latest bunch of illegal trespassers - the more I think the Obama administration isn't telling the truth.

    Of course; he has most of the lamestream media that back up anything they say.

    The border patrol (the guys/girls who actually know what's going on)tell a whole different story from the Obama administration.

    Who should we believe?

  • gramma b Orem, UT
    July 31, 2014 10:20 a.m.

    Charity is not charity when it is forced on us. These people have broken into our country, and we are now being required to provide them a living. They will be a financial drain on us for a long time, maybe for the rest of our lives. Furthermore, they keep calling them "children," but 80 percent of them are male adolescents.

  • chris8484 South Jordan, UT
    July 31, 2014 10:15 a.m.

    Of course, we want to have charity for those who are destitute, but many of the "children" who are crossing the border are violent members of the Mexican Mafia and other criminal cartels. Also, if we or our children crossed the border into another country, they would not be welcomed with open arms but would either be deported or incarcerated (and the conditions would be horrible.) We welcome all those who enter our country legally, but we cannot financially sustain the flood of illegal aliens who believe that entering our country gives them the right to a free public education, Medicare, and subsidized housing.

  • sg newhall, CA
    July 31, 2014 10:15 a.m.

    Utah is wrong. Send all 67 back to their countries and fine every single sponsor. These kids are illegally here. They have broken our laws. If it's good enough for them, then perhaps it is time for us to say it is good for us.

  • Bytheirfruits Springville, UT
    July 31, 2014 10:08 a.m.

    Does anybody know how to volunteer to provide sponsorship/shelter for some of these children? My family and I would love to demonstrate kindness and share with them some of the blessings we have been given. Please let me know who to contact for an honest inquire about how to help some of these children.

  • hockeymom Highland, UT
    July 31, 2014 10:03 a.m.

    @mattwend

    And every other "What would Jesus Do?" commenter: I can love them till I'm blue in the face. I'll pray for them and give a generous Fast Offering to my Bishop. But in the end, it will cost money the US doesn't have to "love" them.

    So I'll ask you and every sympathizer here: Where does it stop? Exactly how much land mass and money do you think the US has to go around to the entire world? OK, let's just talk Central and South America and other impoverished or at risk countries. Could the US actually hold, feed clothe, employ and give health care to every single person outside our borders who wants to come here? (Land mass alone - we'll need more land mass to grow crops and cattle just to feed everyone, let alone house them. Where will we get more land mass?)

    What is your solution? Where does it end? Please respond, offer a suggestion, idea, anything! I'm ready to hear it.

  • riverofsun St.George, UT
    July 31, 2014 9:58 a.m.

    Just cannot see the State of Utah, with it's serious ties to the LDS Church, sending children away.
    Sending these children back would not coincide with Mormon Missionary Program, or any other Mormon philosophy.
    Quite the conundrum for Utah's politicians, one might imagine.

  • mattwend IDAHO FALLS, ID
    July 31, 2014 9:24 a.m.

    I don't think very many people here are doing much considering of how the United States became what it is today. It is 100 percent because of immigrants. Every last one of us posting on this story, is unlikely to have much, if any, Native American blood. And you, yourselves, did not do ANYTHING to create this great nation! You are here, and this nation exists because of a loving and benevolent Heavenly Father. What would he do about this issue? None of the arguments for sending them back can stand up to that. What would Heavenly Father want us to do with this children? I'm absolutely CERTAIN, he would want us to love them.

  • fowersjl Farmington, Utah
    July 31, 2014 9:23 a.m.

    @say No to Bo, you are correct. I should have said that they would be illegal today. Very few are obtaining visas to get into this country. Our laws are so convoluted that desperate people have a hard time complying with them.
    An example: my cleaning lady. She came to the U.S. with her husband sixteen years ago. He had a green card to work. She stayed at home with the three children, born in the U.S., so now she has three children who are U.S. citizens. Her husband died. She is not legal. Should we deport her and leave her children here? Which is what the feds would do. She has no place to go to in Mexico because all of her extended family is living in California. I am breaking the law by hiring her, but help her find cleaning jobs so she can sustain her family. She proudly tells me she gets no govt. assistance. But, her children are going to school on our dime. What should we do about her? She works ten, twelve hour days to take care of her family's needs.

  • Noodlekaboodle Poplar Grove, UT
    July 31, 2014 9:21 a.m.

    @play by the rules
    If you believe in "obeying and sustaining the law" you'd support giving each of these children a date in immigration court, and assigning them a public defender to make an argument as to if they are an illegal immigrant, or a refugee, because that is the law,(and not that it makes a difference, but it was put into law by Bush, not Obama) Our laws say that children from Central America can't be immediately deported, without first giving them the trials I mention above.

  • hockeymom Highland, UT
    July 31, 2014 9:18 a.m.

    @ one old man

    I don't think this debate has anything to do with hate. It has to do with common sense and the already stretched-to-the- max lack of stability of our US economy. I worry about how to pay my bills, feed my family and seek medical care that I can actually afford without filing bankruptcy. Not to mention keeping my own kids off the street, safe and drug free. America is the land of opportunity if you are on welfare or an illegal immigrant, but not for the "working poor" like me who is forced to pay for these people to get for free what I can't afford to buy for myself and my own family! This looks like, feels like and is "reverse" discrimination or "hate" against our own people.

    How about all the working poor in the US move to Canada or Europe and let the illegal South and Central Americans take our place in the work force? Pretty soon all world citizens will just hop whichever border looks "greener" on the other side.

  • JayTee Sandy, UT
    July 31, 2014 9:15 a.m.

    The Obama plan is working like a charm, and the old "it's for the children" theme plays out over and over again. What? You don't agree with bilking the taxpayer for the costs and needs of all invaders, known and unknown? Then surely you must not be "charitable" or "Christian." Yeah, let's just go ahead and totally erase all those borders completely, and let billions come here so we can give them charity via the taxpayer and working Americans. Sure. After all, our own safety, security, sovereignty, solvency, and sanity are of no consequence when "it's for the children." Yeah, you stingy taxpayers--just forget about that little $17,500,000,000,000++ Federal debt, too, because it doesn't mean a thing. After all, we're "charitable."

  • mattwend IDAHO FALLS, ID
    July 31, 2014 9:07 a.m.

    This is what comes to my mind:

    With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,

    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,

    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

    As a mom of 5 precious children, I can't help but think of the perspectives of those desperate mothers from Central America, agonizing over their choice to send their children away to protect them from the evils in their own countries. According to this story, they aren't just sending them to the U.S., but to other countries they consider safer. What would it take for you to send your children away? Those of you advocating that this is the law, are we not Americans? Can we not change laws? Are we not humans? Can we not choose to serve the little one?

    Suffer the little ones to come unto me and forbid them not.

  • CVgal Smithfield, UT
    July 31, 2014 9:04 a.m.

    Is everyone forgetting, per CNN, that it will cost over $28,000 per year to take care of each one of these children with services they will be using? Even with charity help, 67 x $28,000 is $1,876,000 that Utah won't have to spend on it's residents. Some school districts will have to hire more English-as-a-second-language teachers, etc. And more children will yet come in the ensuing months. I know our county school district is hurting already and is making more cuts every year. Thank goodness for the volunteerism of Utah's communities in the schools! I agree that these children are precious in the eyes of God, but we have to have laws or we will turn into a chaotic civilization. Can't anyone see that this is already happening everywhere else in the world? We have to have laws and honor them!

  • hockeymom Highland, UT
    July 31, 2014 9:01 a.m.

    Furthermore, what would motivate a parent to go to the US without their kids and leave them in the care of Grandma? If mom and Dad can't handle the drugs, violence and poverty, what makes them think kids and Grandma can handle it any better without their most able caregivers present?

    Again, I want to see hard evidence that life there is so bad. I hear life is better in Switzerland. After all, they have gun control and socialized medicine. Do I leave my kids here and seek out a better life in Europe, then hope they'll join me later? If in Utah we value families so much, let's help get these families reunited, on THEIR side of the border. The US is in a financial crisis of it's own. Let's take care of the needs of our legal citizens, the drugs, violence and poverty here, instead of stretching the rubber band that holds this country together, so tight it will just break. Sadly, I think that is Obama's ultimate goal.

  • mocoregon sherwood, OR
    July 31, 2014 8:55 a.m.

    Just so God and everyone understands your position, 12th article of faith trumps "Wherefore, my beloved brethren, if ye have not charity, ye are nothing, for charity never faileth. Wherefore, cleave unto charity, which is the greatest of all, for all things must fail—" Good to know that the Sadducees and Pharisees,are alive and well in Utah. But for me, I think you all qualify for what Moroni said "But behold, it supposeth me that I talk to you concerning these things in vain; or it supposeth me that thou art a child of hell."

  • dotGone Puyallup, WA
    July 31, 2014 8:51 a.m.

    It would be good if Obama would move to seal the border - Protect us as Netanyahu protects Isreal. What country doesn't maintain their borders? It seems basic. I have sympathy for the people, but we can't take them all - unfiltered....

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    July 31, 2014 8:37 a.m.

    Some of the comments on here make me sick. This is a humanitarian crisis, not political. I wonder how many of you who have no concern for the welfare of children are also adamantly against abortion. Never abort a child, however you advocate deportation of innocent children to a country overrun with violence, drugs, and poverty. Elder Oaks gave a conference talk that addressed children and our responsibility for their well being. I believe it was inspired. We are our brothers keeper. In the LDS faith you are not accountable to god until age eight. How can these children be held accountable for the unfortunate choices of others. I wish the church leaders would address this issue.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    July 31, 2014 8:36 a.m.

    @ MapleDon
    I heard the Utah Compact folks were creating a fund to pay the school districts/hospitals/families to take care of these kids. Sponsors get $1500 a month to take them in.
    What say? The Chamber is offering no such thing.
    All that charity comes from the taxpayers without even asking. That's the Amerikan way these days.

  • hockeymom Highland, UT
    July 31, 2014 8:36 a.m.

    I want to see some unbiased news footage of all the gangs and danger and issues in Honduras and other countries that would justify sending a child alone, cross country to fend for himself at the Mexico/Texas border. Is it really as bad as they are saying? I'm sure life is "better" in the states, but we have drugs and gangs here too. Will they get here and discover "there really ARE cats in America"?

    I have never seen anything reported on actual news footage that would indicate it's a good idea for a parent to send a child off to an unknown like that. Churches need to start sending the Humanitarian aid directly to those countries. Their governments need to beef up their police forces and drug units. Help them see it's better to stay put than to risk death on the journey. Are the lives of their children worth so little that the risk is the better option than staying home with their parents?

  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    July 31, 2014 8:20 a.m.

    Life in the fundamentally transformed Amerika is fantastic. And thanks to the editorial team at the soon-to-be fundamentally transformed (by the KOTUS) DesNews, the pro-amnesty and pro-open borders propaganda continues. You dug this pit, so why don't you just take a shovel and dig us out of this one.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    July 31, 2014 8:04 a.m.

    @fowersjl
    I'm curious; exactly how are Vietnam war refugees considered "illegal"? I understood that we had a visa program for them which means we officially INVITED them to come here under congressional approval.
    Then again, maybe your folks were illegal. Do enlighten us.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    July 31, 2014 8:04 a.m.

    Take the children in, help them find homes, accept them, help them overcome their nightmares. Guess what, folks, once you get past the vicious political rhetoric and the hypocritical cry for obedience to the law, the presence of these children will not be noticed by you, life will go on, and some good will have been done in the world.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    July 31, 2014 7:50 a.m.

    Hate is alive and well in a supposedly Christian state.

    Although I agree that we need to beef up border security, and that most of these children need to be sent home at some time we still need to treat them humanely while they are here.

    Remember that many of the problems in those countries -- the violence, crime and government corruption --- date back to who?

    Ronald Reagan.

    Remember the Contra scandal?

  • FDRfan Sugar City, ID
    July 31, 2014 7:45 a.m.

    Thank you sponsoring families for your example.

  • fowersjl Farmington, Utah
    July 31, 2014 7:30 a.m.

    We took a family of 10 refugees from the VietNam war and sponsored them. Found them housing and jobs for the parents and two oldest teenagers. Within a month they had paid us back for the money we lent them for the rent of their house. Within a year they had purchased their own home. Three years after that they purchased a deli so they could have their own business. Obviously, they were "illegal" but were able to apply for citizenship because of war circumstances. We signed up to be sponsors with the LDS Church and this worked very well. I think churches need to get involved, but the feds want to run this show, and don't do a very good job of it. That was one of the best experiences our family has had.

  • tenx Santa Clara, UT
    July 31, 2014 7:16 a.m.

    Mercy means we should also take care of the rest of the worlds' children rather than limit it to just a few hundred thousand from Central America that are within our view. A couple of billion (from REAL poor countries) spread across the U.S. should do it. If the commander keeps up the Amnesty rhetoric we will soon meet that ominous goal.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    July 31, 2014 6:31 a.m.

    Obama and governors like Herbert are proving that the coyotes are absolutely right. Here's what is happening. Smugglers are out on the streets in Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala. They are telling people that for $8,000 a person they will be transported to the border.
    There the United States will let them in and help them settle with family already in the USA.
    The Obama administration will not attempt to deport you unless you commit a violent felony.
    You will be asked to appear at a deportation hearing but no one ever does. Instead, Obama will nullify your deportation hearing and you will be free to ignore any notices to appear.
    You can get a job. No one verifies employment eligibility.
    And Obama is planning to allow illegals to remain by doing another deferred action program.

    That story the coyotes are telling people. It's true. Just ask the 30,000 who have been placed while 38 have been sent back home.

    The government is giving in to the coyotes rather than enforcing the law.
    But those big, brown eyes...who can resist?
    We'd better start resisting.

  • Paul Scholes Provo, UT
    July 31, 2014 5:06 a.m.

    For those of us who believe in loving one another, there is no alternative but to advocate these children be allowed to stay. rather than return to face gang violence.

    Play by the rules, it is never quite so simple is it? You cite one commandment. I cite another. Now, to make both commandments work together we may have to think through an issue, come up with an answer and pray about it to seek spiritual confirmation. One must look at the gospel as a whole, not just one individual part.

  • Wilf 55 SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 31, 2014 12:19 a.m.

    Justice or mercy? Will God forgive us, if we fail in mercy? Especially toward children.

  • play by the rules SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    July 30, 2014 10:49 p.m.

    For those of us who believe in obeying and sustaining the law, there is no alternative but to advocate these children be sent home immediately!

  • Mamamama Salt lake city, UT
    July 30, 2014 10:42 p.m.

    Maybe the various churches in Utah would be able to assist withese children. They are all children of god. I have most respect for parents who adopt.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 30, 2014 9:22 p.m.

    Great. The feds are sending children here illegally to live with other family members here illegally.

    How can the feds find the family members who are already here, but cannot figure out who to send back to their own country? What part of "obey the law" is too hard for foreign nationals, or U.S. government employees to understand? Or, for some local law enforcement officials, for that matter?

    Who will pay for the welfare costs, medical costs, education costs, and sadly probably some incarceration costs for these 67 youths dumped here by the feds with no advance notice? It will not be "federal money" but Utah taxpayer money. Money from law abiding citizens whose hard earned legal income will be forcibly confiscated to support those who are known to have broken our laws.

    Really, why should any American citizen obey any laws any more? "Laws" appear to be optional suggestions to be ignored at will by those charged with enforcing them, so why any more binding on mere "citizens?"

    As a minimum, Governor Herbert should provide one way bus tickets to Washington, DC for the next 67 illegal aliens arrested in Utah to keep the numbers even.

  • prelax Murray, UT
    July 30, 2014 8:44 p.m.

    And these 67 children's parents living in Central America will tell their friends and neighbors that Obama has stopped deportation. Next year the numbers are expected to hit 140,000.

    The bill only covers human trafficking, not human smuggling, and Obama knows it. Even Nancy Pelosi A Democrat says he can and should deport them.

    And what about the 290,000 adults that came here with them that were allowed to cross the border with no intervention?