And these 67 children's parents living in Central America will tell their
friends and neighbors that Obama has stopped deportation. Next year the numbers
are expected to hit 140,000. The bill only covers human trafficking,
not human smuggling, and Obama knows it. Even Nancy Pelosi A Democrat says he
can and should deport them. And what about the 290,000 adults that
came here with them that were allowed to cross the border with no intervention?
Great. The feds are sending children here illegally to live with other family
members here illegally.How can the feds find the family members who
are already here, but cannot figure out who to send back to their own country?
What part of "obey the law" is too hard for foreign nationals, or U.S.
government employees to understand? Or, for some local law enforcement
officials, for that matter?Who will pay for the welfare costs,
medical costs, education costs, and sadly probably some incarceration costs for
these 67 youths dumped here by the feds with no advance notice? It will not be
"federal money" but Utah taxpayer money. Money from law abiding
citizens whose hard earned legal income will be forcibly confiscated to support
those who are known to have broken our laws.Really, why should any
American citizen obey any laws any more? "Laws" appear to be optional
suggestions to be ignored at will by those charged with enforcing them, so why
any more binding on mere "citizens?"As a minimum, Governor
Herbert should provide one way bus tickets to Washington, DC for the next 67
illegal aliens arrested in Utah to keep the numbers even.
Maybe the various churches in Utah would be able to assist withese children.
They are all children of god. I have most respect for parents who adopt.
For those of us who believe in obeying and sustaining the law, there is no
alternative but to advocate these children be sent home immediately!
Justice or mercy? Will God forgive us, if we fail in mercy? Especially toward
For those of us who believe in loving one another, there is no alternative but
to advocate these children be allowed to stay. rather than return to face gang
violence.Play by the rules, it is never quite so simple is it? You
cite one commandment. I cite another. Now, to make both commandments work
together we may have to think through an issue, come up with an answer and pray
about it to seek spiritual confirmation. One must look at the gospel as a
whole, not just one individual part.
Obama and governors like Herbert are proving that the coyotes are absolutely
right. Here's what is happening. Smugglers are out on the streets in
Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala. They are telling people that for $8,000 a
person they will be transported to the border.There the United States will
let them in and help them settle with family already in the USA.The Obama
administration will not attempt to deport you unless you commit a violent
felony. You will be asked to appear at a deportation hearing but no one
ever does. Instead, Obama will nullify your deportation hearing and you will be
free to ignore any notices to appear.You can get a job. No one verifies
employment eligibility.And Obama is planning to allow illegals to remain
by doing another deferred action program.That story the coyotes are
telling people. It's true. Just ask the 30,000 who have been placed while
38 have been sent back home.The government is giving in to the
coyotes rather than enforcing the law.But those big, brown eyes...who can
resist?We'd better start resisting.
Mercy means we should also take care of the rest of the worlds' children
rather than limit it to just a few hundred thousand from Central America that
are within our view. A couple of billion (from REAL poor countries) spread
across the U.S. should do it. If the commander keeps up the Amnesty rhetoric we
will soon meet that ominous goal.
We took a family of 10 refugees from the VietNam war and sponsored them. Found
them housing and jobs for the parents and two oldest teenagers. Within a month
they had paid us back for the money we lent them for the rent of their house.
Within a year they had purchased their own home. Three years after that they
purchased a deli so they could have their own business. Obviously, they were
"illegal" but were able to apply for citizenship because of war
circumstances. We signed up to be sponsors with the LDS Church and this worked
very well. I think churches need to get involved, but the feds want to run this
show, and don't do a very good job of it. That was one of the best
experiences our family has had.
Thank you sponsoring families for your example.
Hate is alive and well in a supposedly Christian state.Although I
agree that we need to beef up border security, and that most of these children
need to be sent home at some time we still need to treat them humanely while
they are here.Remember that many of the problems in those countries
-- the violence, crime and government corruption --- date back to who? Ronald Reagan.Remember the Contra scandal?
Take the children in, help them find homes, accept them, help them overcome
their nightmares. Guess what, folks, once you get past the vicious political
rhetoric and the hypocritical cry for obedience to the law, the presence of
these children will not be noticed by you, life will go on, and some good will
have been done in the world.
@fowersjlI'm curious; exactly how are Vietnam war refugees considered
"illegal"? I understood that we had a visa program for them which means
we officially INVITED them to come here under congressional approval.Then
again, maybe your folks were illegal. Do enlighten us.
Life in the fundamentally transformed Amerika is fantastic. And thanks to the
editorial team at the soon-to-be fundamentally transformed (by the KOTUS)
DesNews, the pro-amnesty and pro-open borders propaganda continues. You dug this
pit, so why don't you just take a shovel and dig us out of this one.
I want to see some unbiased news footage of all the gangs and danger and issues
in Honduras and other countries that would justify sending a child alone, cross
country to fend for himself at the Mexico/Texas border. Is it really as bad as
they are saying? I'm sure life is "better" in the states, but we
have drugs and gangs here too. Will they get here and discover "there
really ARE cats in America"? I have never seen anything
reported on actual news footage that would indicate it's a good idea for a
parent to send a child off to an unknown like that. Churches need to start
sending the Humanitarian aid directly to those countries. Their governments
need to beef up their police forces and drug units. Help them see it's
better to stay put than to risk death on the journey. Are the lives of their
children worth so little that the risk is the better option than staying home
with their parents?
@ MapleDonI heard the Utah Compact folks were creating a fund to pay the
school districts/hospitals/families to take care of these kids. Sponsors get
$1500 a month to take them in.What say? The Chamber is offering no such
thing.All that charity comes from the taxpayers without even asking.
That's the Amerikan way these days.
Some of the comments on here make me sick. This is a humanitarian crisis, not
political. I wonder how many of you who have no concern for the welfare of
children are also adamantly against abortion. Never abort a child, however you
advocate deportation of innocent children to a country overrun with violence,
drugs, and poverty. Elder Oaks gave a conference talk that addressed children
and our responsibility for their well being. I believe it was inspired. We are
our brothers keeper. In the LDS faith you are not accountable to god until age
eight. How can these children be held accountable for the unfortunate choices
of others. I wish the church leaders would address this issue.
It would be good if Obama would move to seal the border - Protect us as
Netanyahu protects Isreal. What country doesn't maintain their borders?
It seems basic. I have sympathy for the people, but we can't take them all
Just so God and everyone understands your position, 12th article of faith trumps
"Wherefore, my beloved brethren, if ye have not charity, ye are nothing, for
charity never faileth. Wherefore, cleave unto charity, which is the greatest of
all, for all things must fail—" Good to know that the Sadducees and
Pharisees,are alive and well in Utah. But for me, I think you all qualify for
what Moroni said "But behold, it supposeth me that I talk to you concerning
these things in vain; or it supposeth me that thou art a child of hell."
Furthermore, what would motivate a parent to go to the US without their kids and
leave them in the care of Grandma? If mom and Dad can't handle the drugs,
violence and poverty, what makes them think kids and Grandma can handle it any
better without their most able caregivers present?Again, I want to
see hard evidence that life there is so bad. I hear life is better in
Switzerland. After all, they have gun control and socialized medicine. Do I
leave my kids here and seek out a better life in Europe, then hope they'll
join me later? If in Utah we value families so much, let's help get these
families reunited, on THEIR side of the border. The US is in a financial crisis
of it's own. Let's take care of the needs of our legal citizens, the
drugs, violence and poverty here, instead of stretching the rubber band that
holds this country together, so tight it will just break. Sadly, I think that
is Obama's ultimate goal.
Is everyone forgetting, per CNN, that it will cost over $28,000 per year to take
care of each one of these children with services they will be using? Even with
charity help, 67 x $28,000 is $1,876,000 that Utah won't have to spend on
it's residents. Some school districts will have to hire more
English-as-a-second-language teachers, etc. And more children will yet come in
the ensuing months. I know our county school district is hurting already and is
making more cuts every year. Thank goodness for the volunteerism of Utah's
communities in the schools! I agree that these children are precious in the
eyes of God, but we have to have laws or we will turn into a chaotic
civilization. Can't anyone see that this is already happening everywhere
else in the world? We have to have laws and honor them!
This is what comes to my mind:With silent lips. "Give me your
tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore, Send these, the
homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden
door!" As a mom of 5 precious children, I can't help but
think of the perspectives of those desperate mothers from Central America,
agonizing over their choice to send their children away to protect them from the
evils in their own countries. According to this story, they aren't just
sending them to the U.S., but to other countries they consider safer. What would
it take for you to send your children away? Those of you advocating that this is
the law, are we not Americans? Can we not change laws? Are we not humans? Can we
not choose to serve the little one? Suffer the little ones to come
unto me and forbid them not.
The Obama plan is working like a charm, and the old "it's for the
children" theme plays out over and over again. What? You don't agree
with bilking the taxpayer for the costs and needs of all invaders, known and
unknown? Then surely you must not be "charitable" or
"Christian." Yeah, let's just go ahead and totally erase all those
borders completely, and let billions come here so we can give them charity via
the taxpayer and working Americans. Sure. After all, our own safety, security,
sovereignty, solvency, and sanity are of no consequence when "it's for
the children." Yeah, you stingy taxpayers--just forget about that little
$17,500,000,000,000++ Federal debt, too, because it doesn't mean a thing.
After all, we're "charitable."
@ one old manI don't think this debate has anything to do with
hate. It has to do with common sense and the already stretched-to-the- max lack
of stability of our US economy. I worry about how to pay my bills, feed my
family and seek medical care that I can actually afford without filing
bankruptcy. Not to mention keeping my own kids off the street, safe and drug
free. America is the land of opportunity if you are on welfare or an illegal
immigrant, but not for the "working poor" like me who is forced to pay
for these people to get for free what I can't afford to buy for myself and
my own family! This looks like, feels like and is "reverse"
discrimination or "hate" against our own people. How about
all the working poor in the US move to Canada or Europe and let the illegal
South and Central Americans take our place in the work force? Pretty soon all
world citizens will just hop whichever border looks "greener" on the
@play by the rulesIf you believe in "obeying and sustaining the
law" you'd support giving each of these children a date in immigration
court, and assigning them a public defender to make an argument as to if they
are an illegal immigrant, or a refugee, because that is the law,(and not that it
makes a difference, but it was put into law by Bush, not Obama) Our laws say
that children from Central America can't be immediately deported, without
first giving them the trials I mention above.
@say No to Bo, you are correct. I should have said that they would be illegal
today. Very few are obtaining visas to get into this country. Our laws are so
convoluted that desperate people have a hard time complying with them.An
example: my cleaning lady. She came to the U.S. with her husband sixteen years
ago. He had a green card to work. She stayed at home with the three children,
born in the U.S., so now she has three children who are U.S. citizens. Her
husband died. She is not legal. Should we deport her and leave her children
here? Which is what the feds would do. She has no place to go to in Mexico
because all of her extended family is living in California. I am breaking the
law by hiring her, but help her find cleaning jobs so she can sustain her
family. She proudly tells me she gets no govt. assistance. But, her children
are going to school on our dime. What should we do about her? She works ten,
twelve hour days to take care of her family's needs.
I don't think very many people here are doing much considering of how the
United States became what it is today. It is 100 percent because of immigrants.
Every last one of us posting on this story, is unlikely to have much, if any,
Native American blood. And you, yourselves, did not do ANYTHING to create this
great nation! You are here, and this nation exists because of a loving and
benevolent Heavenly Father. What would he do about this issue? None of the
arguments for sending them back can stand up to that. What would Heavenly Father
want us to do with this children? I'm absolutely CERTAIN, he would want us
to love them.
Just cannot see the State of Utah, with it's serious ties to the LDS
Church, sending children away.Sending these children back would not
coincide with Mormon Missionary Program, or any other Mormon philosophy.Quite the conundrum for Utah's politicians, one might imagine.
@mattwendAnd every other "What would Jesus Do?" commenter:
I can love them till I'm blue in the face. I'll pray for them and
give a generous Fast Offering to my Bishop. But in the end, it will cost money
the US doesn't have to "love" them. So I'll ask
you and every sympathizer here: Where does it stop? Exactly how much land mass
and money do you think the US has to go around to the entire world? OK,
let's just talk Central and South America and other impoverished or at risk
countries. Could the US actually hold, feed clothe, employ and give health care
to every single person outside our borders who wants to come here? (Land mass
alone - we'll need more land mass to grow crops and cattle just to feed
everyone, let alone house them. Where will we get more land mass?)What is your solution? Where does it end? Please respond, offer a
suggestion, idea, anything! I'm ready to hear it.
Does anybody know how to volunteer to provide sponsorship/shelter for some of
these children? My family and I would love to demonstrate kindness and share
with them some of the blessings we have been given. Please let me know who to
contact for an honest inquire about how to help some of these children.
Utah is wrong. Send all 67 back to their countries and fine every single
sponsor. These kids are illegally here. They have broken our laws. If it's
good enough for them, then perhaps it is time for us to say it is good for us.
Of course, we want to have charity for those who are destitute, but many of the
"children" who are crossing the border are violent members of the
Mexican Mafia and other criminal cartels. Also, if we or our children crossed
the border into another country, they would not be welcomed with open arms but
would either be deported or incarcerated (and the conditions would be horrible.)
We welcome all those who enter our country legally, but we cannot financially
sustain the flood of illegal aliens who believe that entering our country gives
them the right to a free public education, Medicare, and subsidized housing.
Charity is not charity when it is forced on us. These people have broken into
our country, and we are now being required to provide them a living. They will
be a financial drain on us for a long time, maybe for the rest of our lives.
Furthermore, they keep calling them "children," but 80 percent of them
are male adolescents.
How "DESTITUTE" can someone be if they can raise 8k to pay a coyote to
bring them here?The more the facts come out regarding this latest
bunch of illegal trespassers - the more I think the Obama administration
isn't telling the truth.Of course; he has most of the
lamestream media that back up anything they say.The border patrol
(the guys/girls who actually know what's going on)tell a whole different
story from the Obama administration.Who should we believe?
So, we now have 67 new felons in Utah. Are we going to prosecute them according
to the law?Especially in light of the ramifications of the current
law: Google the law and read it for yourself: Federal Immigration and
Nationality Act of 1954Please note that Religious Organizations and
Charitable Organizations are specifically mentioned in the law. They are not
exempt from prosecution.Even giving an illegal alien a ride, or
feeding him/her is a felony. And of course, renting them a room, or employing
them is not allowed -- another felony. But, your car and your house can be
confiscated for helping them.The law is very strict and precise.Perhaps, We, the People, of the United States need to file RICO charges
against Obama and his staff as a massive class action suit.Federal
Immigration and Nationality Act of 1954: Section 8 USC
1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii)"Any person who . . . encourages or
induces an alien to . . . reside . . . knowing or in reckless disregard of the
fact that such . . . residence is . . . in violation of law, shall be punished
as provided . . . for each alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs . .
. fined under title 18 . . . imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both."
RE: NeilTWell said my friend, well said.Re: Hockey
Mom:As we discussed in the last article all the things you question
do go on. I have seen it in Costa Rica and Mexico with my own eyes. Gang
warfare, beatings, murders both child and adult, sex trafficking, Children use
as drug Mules, all exist. The world out side of Utah/America can be a very rough
place in certain areas especially in the Southern American Countries. I take it you are a God Fearing woman and quite frankly it baffles me as to
how you could believe so faithfully in a being who's existence can not be
proven yet you have a hard time believing these things exist in other countries.
The physical proof of the latter looks you in the eyes on a daily basis. I too am a God Fearing Man and I am pretty sure I know what God and his
Son Jesus would do in this situation and it's not sending them back.
Jesus was a refugee immigrant when Herod decreed the death of all children under
two years of age.What would have happened if the Egyptians had acted
like many Utahns want and had swiftly sent him home to his land of origin?Let us all use some compassion and kindness.
When Emma Lazarus wrote "Give me your tired, your poor," and when my
immigrant ancestors came here, the government wasn't immediately putting
immigrants on the public dole like they do now. Our immigrant ancestors came
here legally, for freedom, and for the opportunity to earn their own way, not to
put their hands into the pockets of the people who were already here. Until the
1960's, even legal immigrants had to show that they could support
themselves, or have an American sponsor who would guarantee they would not end
up on public assistance. That changed when the Democrats changed our
immigration law. Now we deliberately import poverty, and allow others to sneak
in who will eventually vote for anyone who promises the most handouts. Those of
us who obey the law and pay taxes are viewed as chumps -- sheep to be shorn.
Maybe Americans have it all wrong.Perhaps we were not meant to have the
life of plenty, the nice home, nice car(s), everything we want.Maybe what
is happening in the US now, is truly God's plan for America.It is the
Age of Aquarius.Perhaps America was destined to be the land of refuge for
those throughout our world who are suffering.Those of you who do a great
deal of praying and meditating.....
@ Hockey MomYou want to know "Where Does It End?" and
"What The Solution Is?".For those answers you will have to
get down and pray. Be prepared, you might not agree with the answer you get.
Throw it in between I'm struggling to feed my kids and what reward do I get
for giving a generous Fast Offering.
Illegal immigrants are not eligible for government benefits. In fact legal
immigrants are required to wait five years before being eligible. I have had
first hand experience with immigration. My wife and step-son immigrated from
Russia. It cost me $25,000 to bring them here and that was without an
immigration attorney. Most people who do what I did pay an attorney $3,000.00.
Just in case anyone is curious I don't support illegal immigration and
@gramma bThat changed when the Democrats changed our immigration
law. Now we deliberately import poverty, and allow others to sneak in who will
eventually vote for anyone who promises the most handouts. Those of us who obey
the law and pay taxes are viewed as chumps -- sheep to be shorn.==============I can tell you have never been through the
immigration process.My wife had to get Affadavits of support to get
her green card. She was not placed on any dole. She is a college
graduate, hard working daughter of God from South America. We have three
fantastic children that could not have a better mother. This was in 2006.Where do you see that we deliberately import poverty? Where can you
show that your ancestors came here legally? Many who came to Ellis Island were
undocumented, but allowed in anyway.Is it a coincidence during the
Immigration hey day of the early 1900's that we were able to win two world
wars, but shutting down that system has made us lose pre-eminence?
To "NeilT" yes we should care for the children and for all of the
illegals that try to make it into the US. We should clean them up, give them a
warm bed, if needed some clean clothes and a medical checkup to make sure they
are not spreading disease. Then once we have cared for them, we need to return
the children to their families in their nation of origin and send any adult back
to their nation of origin.If we don't send them back the US
will be no better than the nations that the illegals are fleeing.To
"fowersjl" the humane thing to do with your cleaning lady is to send her
and her children back to Mexico. If she is so great, maybe you can sponsor her
and get her here legally. When her children are 18, they can decide which
nation they like more and can move there. The family stays together, and she
can work to become legal if she really wants to be here.
mocoregonThe notion that love they neighbor "trumps" the
12th Article of Faith, is false doctrine. There is no conflict between the two.
The one is part-and-parcel of the other. Wilf 55"Will God forgive us, if we fail in mercy?"You are not
really in a position to offer mercy to the illegal alien in behalf of society.
All you really can do is effectively shift the penalty from the lawbreaker to
various innocent parties, make them scapegoats, and mercilessly deny them
justice in the process. How about American families and their children who do
suffer in a wide variety of ways because of rampant illegal immigration? Where
is the mercy for them? Thus God never says, "Have compassion on
the poor person; therefore, let him shoplift." No. Instead He says,
"Obey, honor, and sustain the law," and, "Thou shalt not steal."
Unless one personally is able to atone for the illegality of illegal aliens, it
really is not his place to call for "mercy." That is Christ's
purview, on His terms, and in His own time. OUR duty is to uphold the laws of
the land. That is the only way to show mercy to everyone.
Strong flavors of "If you don't go along with Obama and those who
profit from importing these people, then you're clearly a hard-hearted,
selfish, materialistic, worldly infidel who doesn't really deserve to live
in this country." Yep, over and over and over. We're supposed to lie
down and sign up for everything that comes down the pike from "our
leaders," and never question the infinite wisdom of those who instigate
these disasters. Never mind actually REQUIRING something of these third-world
"nations" in return for the billions in foreign aid we already give
them, never mind any reciprocity like releasing one of our own citizens from
prison after he inadvertently crossed the Mexican border, never mind any control
or accountability, never mind any planning or policy. This is exactly the
mentality that's highly desirable for a gullible, naive, and enabling
population that will help ensure the eventual final demise of our nation.
The scriptures tell us to administer charity "in wisdom and in order."
This includes ascertaining the true nature of a situation. Nice job, Deseret
News, picking a photo of several little toddlers as if these represent those
actually crossing the border illegally. This "children" situation is a
scam. Here's how it works:Step 1. Parents enter the country
illegally, in advance, without their children.Step 2. Arrangements
are made for their teen-aged children to follow sometime later. Step 3. Abettors of illegal immigration in this country play on the emotions
of gullible Americans and falsely guilt them by saying such things as,
"these are CHILDREN!"Step 4. Once the children are allowed
to stay, then the corrupt abettors cry, "Families! Families! Utahns
believe in families! You wouldn't send the PARENTS home, now, would you?
After all, this would tear a family apart!" Step 5. The
illegal-alien parents are allowed to stay, along with their teen-aged children.
Step 6. Mission accomplished!Meanwhile, the
"children" are taught an unmistakable lesson: dishonesty, illegality,
and devious manipulation of others' emotions is the correct way to get what
one wants in life. Thus these children become morally corrupted. How "compassionate" is that.
Just as the article says, they are taking these children from certain death.
That is a categorically false statement and the DN needs to correct this. These
children are coming across the border for no other reason than Barack
Obama's policy misinterpretation that allows them to seek sanctuary and
admittance in our country. They are told they won't be deported. Gary
Herbert was sending a letter to the Obama regime protesting these illegals to
protect his political CYA. The reality is that whatever Barack Obama wants, Gary
Herbert will give, no real questions asked.
What a shocker, 67 displaced, innocent, defenseless children have put the Utah
hater team into convulsions. Chicken little's sky is falling. Wake up, look
to your better side. Give the 67 kids a warm welcome, shelter and better
prepare them to return to their home countries so as to improve on their
families and communities. At the same time the USA needs to assist these Latin
countries to fight the criminals that are causing the exodus of children. Many
of the criminals in those countries received their training in the streets and
prisons of USA, and they have connections and affiliations here. They are not
just those countries problem, they are the USA's problem too.
@MapleDon. Good one and sooooooo true. Only problem they don't know how
to shovel out....only in!
@ one old man and NeilT:Why do you two and a few others read
negative things into other people's comments that were never intended?Newflash... No one hates these minors. No one! Literally everyone here
in Utah wants them to be treated humanely... even those who believe they should
be sent back to their families in South America. People can believe
in both humanitarianism as well as in obeying laws. They aren't mutually
exclusive. So just because citizens don't like people taking advantage of
loopholes in our laws and belief they should be respected and enforced, that in
no way means those same people want children being mistreated. So
quit putting words and erroneous intentions in other people's mouths and/or
comments. You aren't making converts by doing so with your probably
well-intended but misguided ways of thinking. The fact that people
and sponsors sign commitment papers promising to show up for court hearings and
then 7 of every 8 break their promises means something. It means they have no
respect for our laws. They rationalize that their needs override our laws. Where
should the line be drawn with such thinking?
"Parents in living in countries overrun by gangs in Central America are
dealing with impossible choices over what to do to ensure their children's
safety, Fajardo said." - Yeah so let's send them to Los Angeles and
"Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye
have done it unto me."
@ skeptic:Yes, you do seem to be a skeptic who views situations with
unwarranted skepticism. Where do you come up with your ridiculous "hater
team" term? Who exactly is it that hates these kids and what proof do you
have that they do?What makes you think these kids don't already
now have warm shelters to live in? You are obviously being judgmental of others.
How many of these South American kids have you personally provided a home
for? Or is this another "do as I say and not as I do" type of thing?BTW: The South American criminals you mentioned came to America
illegally back in the 1980's. They made bad choices to join gangs, then
were deported for doing so. Exactly how is that our fault? Are we also
going to be responsible for all the choices the people who are currently coming
into our country illegally make down the road? Such reasoning is not well
thought out. Try again.@ Darrell:Your wife was an
exception and a good one at that. Congratulations to her. Most illegals
coming here have no education or skills. And most can't speak English.
Furthermore.... yes, help people, but don't make your own family homeless
to accomplish that. We are an affluent nation, but we cannot take on all the
masses of people who need help. We can do some good, but if we do not do it in
a rational, measured way, we will soon have nothing to give.My husband and
I sponsored refugees from Laos in early 1980s. It was very satisfying to help
them get integrated. I would not mind sponsoring a few refugees from Latin
America. But lets not let ourselves be overwhelmed by waves of refugees so that
our own boat sinks. And lets make sure terrorists are not sneaking in that wide
open door. A rational, measured, orderly response. Don't throw
money... cuz there is no government money, it's all taxpayer money.
The lifeboat known as the U.S.S. America is overloaded and about to sink, taking
all of us down with it.To those who want to allow the children to
stay I say, let's set up a program where each of you can foot the full cost
of feeding and clothing these children until they turn 18 or graduate from
college. That way you can assuage your angst at having to return these children
to their rightful families.Any volunteers?The U.S. needs
very few, if any, immigrants. Our continent no longer needs to be colonized.Send them back.If we don't turn off the spigot, we
could soon find ourselves living in a Third World "pais."
@rvalens2The lifeboat known as the U.S.S. America is overloaded and
about to sink, taking all of us down with it============Going to assume that because you are posting here, you are LDS. I do not know
you, so I apologize if I assume incorrectly.The Book of Mormon calls
this a "Promised Land" One of abundance, blessings and prosperity. If
this book is correct, should we not seek to share these blessings? Is there not
enough to go around if these blessings are indeed promised from Him whose this
land is to give?Nephi and Lehi left because of the situations in
their home land and came here. As did the Jaredites. I often
wonder what I must have done to merit these blessings, if anything. I often
wonder if I was placed in my position of privilege to see how I could cope with
this. Brigham Young said that he had no doubt the Saints could endure poverty,
but doubted their ability to endure Abundance. I see much wisdom in his words.
A Viet Nam family, meaning PARENTS and their children, cannot be compared to the
thousands of little kids coming here with no means for caring for themselves.
This is a catastrophic event.
@ dotGone, you say "Protect us as Netanyahu protects Isreal. (sic)."
This assumes that these children are a threat on par with Hamas. Comparing
these children to Hamas fighting Israel is beyond the pale. It's not the
same, by any means of the imagination. (Moderator: you could read the prior
@ riverofsun:It's ridiculous to keep playing the religion card
on the people of Utah in these kinds of situations. You and a few others keep
trying to make Utahans feel like they aren't good LDS members if they
don't totally open up all their hearts and resources to these illegals,
even without truly knowing the actual reasons for them coming here. Well, it truly possible to be a good church member and also believe in the
rule of law. In fact, whose to say that following the laws of the land
doesn't actually make a person a better church member?I've
read some of your comments on other articles and topics. You've shown a
tendency to play the Mormon church theme card from both sides of the fence.
Downplay-it if it fits into your agenda and/or play-it-up when it does. Those of
us who follow the comment sections don't buy into it. You should save the
waffling back and forth for the politicians... the experts. It's actually not any kind of conundrum at all. You apparently would like
it to be in order to further your agenda.
America has withstood 2 world wars1 civil warPearl Harbor9/11The Great DepressionBut 60,000 kids without parents at
the border? Nope that is too much.
To "Darrel" you only have half of it there. According to the BoM this
is a promised land as long as the people serve God and worship him.Regardless of your political leanings, do you think that the US worships God
more or less now than it did 100 years ago? I would say that we are moving
further away from God and his commandments.
I have a sister-in-law who teaches grade school in Cache County. She
has first hand experience in how illegal immigration effects different segments
of our society. It is placing a huge burden on the school systems. Most of the
younger kids don't speak English in their homes so aren't proficient
with it.The schools then have to hire extra teachers and
teacher-aids to deal with these kids who struggle. In spending so much extra
time with them, they aren't able to spend the time they should or want to
spend with their citizen students. Therefore, those students are being slowed
down academically. Almost all the illegals qualify for and receive
free lunches. They also take full advantage of available programs for free
breakfasts before school and extra food after school. Few of their parents make
enough to pay any taxes or else don't pay any from being paid wages
under-the-table.She said illegal immigration truly places big
burdens in multiple ways on their school system in Cache county and probably in
most counties in Utah.Similar stories can rightfully be told
concerning local hospitals and health situations.
If you're willing to take in the children are you the same people crying
don't split families by sending parents that are illegal back to Mexico.
Unless all the illegals that are here thaat are adults pay into social security
and the tax system, America is going to be broke. You can't keep taking my
hard earned money that I barely get by on and keep giving it to those who break
laws. If you are willing to take the kids in are you willing to use your own
money to pay ;their medical bills, get their school supplies and clothes etc.
Are you willing to support them 100 % without asking the government for help?
If not then they need to go back and come legally so they are in the system.
There is gang violence everywhere in the world even here in the good old USA.
Why are we more worried about the illegals than American kids who are starving
and uneducated. Let's take care of our problems before we start taking
care of everyone else's.
@RedShirtTo "Darrel" you only have half of it there.
According to the BoM this is a promised land as long as the people serve God and
worship him.Regardless of your political leanings, do you think that
the US worships God more or less now than it did 100 years ago? I would say that
we are moving further away from God and his commandments======================And shutting down immigration makes us keep
the commandments more fully?The Parable of the Sheep and Goats has
them separated purely on how the poor, afflicted and sick are treated. If we are farther from God, it is we who are to blame, not these
innocents crossing the border.
@ Darrell:The wars you mentioned took tremendous tolls on our
country and at least a generation to recover from. Just because we eventually
did recover, are you proposing we should willfully take on more huge illegally
based challenges?Your numbers are wrong. There are approximately a
quarter million illegal aliens who sneak into our country every year. Well, many
just willfully overstay their limited-time visas. Nevertheless, the overall
numbers are huge.On top of that, at the rate these minors keep
coming, there will be close to 100,000 unaccompanied children this year alone.
And if they are allowed to stay, immigration officials expect next years number
to quickly grow much higher... perhaps even doubling.Free access to
the United States and its many bounties is literally like winning the lottery to
South American people. The more who all allowed to stay, the many more who will
follow. It's extremely naive to believe otherwise.There are
hundreds of millions of poorer people around the world who would jump at the
chance of coming to the USA if they knew they could stay. Where do you
propose we draw the line... if at all?
@AlacrityThe wars you mentioned took tremendous tolls on our country
and at least a generation to recover from.===============Ever hear of the Roaring 20's? My parents generation (Dad was born in
57) was also fairly well off (the most prosperous generation in history).As far as my numbers, I was only quoting those unaccompanied minors, not
all illegal aliens.============There are hundreds of
millions of poorer people around the world who would jump at the chance of
coming to the USA if they knew they could stay. Where do you propose we
draw the line... if at all?=================Why must
there be a line? I have done nothing special to deserve the blessings of this
land. When I was born, the work that made us so great had been done, by
immigrants, that made us so great. How can I in good conscious feast at a table
full of food, but kick the hungry orphan out? We are a land of
plenty. We pay our farmers to not grow food. We are a blessed nation that has
a responsibility to share with the world. To be a beacon of righteousness, not
"I got mine, too bad for you."
To "MaxPower" it does help us to fulfill the commandments more fully by
enforcing the laws of the land. I never said that we should shut down
immigration. I fully support LEGAL immigration of people that have worked with
the system to get here.Would you allow a poor person to rob a bank
and keep the money, even if nobody was hurt? If you want laws regarding robbery
enforced, why not enforce immigration laws? If you don't like the
immigration laws, why not work to get the laws changed?If you still
think that ignoring the immigration laws is good, just think of it this way. If
it is so easy for a 12 year old child to get here, what about a trained adult
terrorist carrying materials for a dirty bomb? How do you expect to stop a
trained adult terrorist if you can't stop a 12 year old child?Plus, if the people coming here disregard our immigration laws, what other
laws are they willing to ignore? Would you accept a group of illegals setting
up camp in your back yard? Would you accept them taking your child's lunch
@RedShirtNeither do I advocate illegal immigration, but I think we
need to make legal immigration far, far easier. We the People govern ourselves,
and our laws reflect our priorities and ideals.Bank robbing clearly
is not a victimless crime, and it is easy to show harm; Where is the harm in
allowing children to come in and take care of them? Do you picture the Savior
turning these kids away? He Himself was a refugee in His youth.Disregarding immigration laws is similar to speeding in your vehicle.
Wouldn't it be more consistent to say those that speed should lose all
driving privileges, and begin again the process of regaining their drivers
license after having spent several years on a wait list? After all, both are
seen with the same gravity before the law. Do you have illegals
camping in your yard? Have you ever? That's a red herring.Has
an illegal ever stolen your kids lunch? Ever? Red Herring.The
process of my wife getting her green card was far more difficult than it was for
me to secure my SECRET clearance with the Army. That is just wrong.
@Neil TMuch has been said about illegal aliens (or even immigrants) not
being allowed to receive social service benefits.In fact, laws are on the
books that prohibit immigration of people likely to become a public charge.But the REALITY of the situation is that anyone can get benefits with fake
documents or even made-up social security numbers. No one is checking.Obama's own aunt is a perfect example. Had anyone checked, they would
have found out that she was ordered deported in 2004. She was what is termed a
"fugitive absconder," subject to immediate deportation.Yet, she
was receiving free housing, food stamps, and free health care for her
illnesses.It happens all the time.If the laws were being enforced we
wouldn't have a problem. No one could get a job without a work visa.
Illegals would be deported immediately for their first DUI.But there is no
enforcement, so illegals are getting jobs and welfare benefits.ONE THIRD
of all foreign-born are here illegally. That's how bad it is.
MaxPower"Why must there be a line?"Because God
believes in boundaries. You are not better than God. "I have
done nothing special to deserve the blessings of this land."So
what. With enjoyment of these blessings come special responsibilities. Among these is respect for the rule of law. It is inappropriate to
teach foreign children that the fruits of freedom are here merely for the
pickin'. These fruits were purchased with a price -- in many cases, with
the blood of servicemen who upheld those values and gave their lives
accordingly. Persons who willfully allow foreign invaders who do NOT subscribe
to these values to overtake this land, do slap these American servicemen in the
face.The solution is to deport all illegal aliens and thus teach
them that there is a price tag attached to these blessings. The price tag
includes immigrating to this country in the legal fashion, to the extent such
immigration benefits THIS nation and its citizens. That incidentally is the
true purpose of immigration.Want to share your blessings? Consider
donating from your private resources to charities dedicated to helping people
live better lives in their own countries. Feel free to donate all you want.
To "MaxPower" but allowing children to stay here is not a victimless
crime. They cost taxpayers thousands of dollars every year. I picture Jesus
doing exactly what I have said to do. Care for them, then send them home so
that they can obey the law. Jesus obeyed the Roman laws, so why shouldn't
the illegal immigrants obey US law?Actually disregarding immigration
laws is not similar to speeding. If an immigrant does more than just hang
around spending money, they are committing Social Security Fraud, driving with
licenses, and often engage in ID theft.They are stealing from you,
maybe not directly, but they do steal from you. Who do you think pays for their
hospital visits once they are allowed to stay. Since they are not paid regular
paychecks they have no income so Medicaid pays for their care. That means your
money is taken forcefully and is given to them.Again, would you
allow illegal immigrants to harm or steal from you in any way?If you
are opposed to illegal immigration, why should we let people who come here
illegally stay? Wouldn't that be supporting illegal immigration by letting
Loving one another does not mean just love one group of people. The open border
people have used that to justify the past 7 amnesties. If I break
the law, and I'm caught, I expect to be punished. I expect the same thing
for everyone else. Punishment for wrong doing is compassion. Allowing people to
break the laws of the land is not compassionate. Allowing someone to
suffer their own consequences is an act of the utmost love; any parent will so
@Neil T. ---- What you say is true about LEGAL immigrants. I have been
through it also. But not true about Illegals. They know how to game the system
and get those Benes. And now BO has recruited them (amnesty) and is setting
records on the amount he will spend on them. I say 60,000 times a $300 one way
air ticket ($18,000,000) is much, much cheaper than $3.7 billion and sends a
message to those planning to come that the money they pay the coyotes will be a
loss. The important issue is to stop the 150,000 planning to come next year and
the 300,000 the next year, etc. etc. Its a big world out there and when the
word gets around about amnesty and benefits we will have standing room only.
Viva LEGAL immigration.
It only takes one child born here to make all the children in the household
eligible for Medicaid, food stamps, and limited monetary help. Chips
and other programs can be accessed by people here illegally. A recent study over
Utah's driver licenses showed over 6,000 had fake licenses that were used
to get service. 65,000 children with a cost of $8,000 per student costs Utah
taxpayers $520 million dollars a year. All to fatten the pockets of
I am working in Guatemala and I can tell you first hand that there is poverty
and their are gangs. It is a hard life here BUT!!! The parents that wish to take
care of their kids work very hard at it. I have seen the women who walk to the
coffee fields to meet their tired husbands. The husband carry the child on his
shoulder. I have see the women begging in the streets with a child strapped to a
board on her back. Six year old kids juggle at traffic lights for coins. Yes it
is harder here but a parent who wishes to take care of their child can do it.
There is a lot of success here and the economy appears to be doing well. Once Catholic Priest reduced population growth by 50% in his village buy
giving away TVs. This is their social issue. Not ours.
A few years ago the LDS Church faced an admittedly difficult decision regarding
how to deal with illegal immigration. It was decided that the right course was
to turn our back on and disobey the twelfth article of faith (obeying, honoring
and sustaining the law). We are now witnessing the consequences of that
disobedience to God's law.Lets go back to following the articles of
faith. In this there is safety and peace.
@ MaxPower:Contrary to what you naively believe, we do have limits
to our national resources. California is currently in a bad drought, with barely
enough water to drink and shower in some areas. Those people no longer are able
to even water their lawns. If the population there was doubled, it would cause
extreme hardships. If we didn't maintain any borders, as you
suggested, and the population were to at least double, we would have gas
shortages and the prices would jump significantly.Where would we
house everyone? There would be shortages of building materials and housing
prices would skyrocket. What about jobs. Most of those coming in would be like
those currently sneaking in. They would have no education and no job skills. And
most wouldn't know English. There wouldn't be nearly enough low-paying
sector jobs to go around. Welfare would have to expand in a big, big way, with
very little increased tax revenue due to very few of the new immigrants making
enough to have to pay taxes. Therefore our federal deficit would increase even
faster than now. It's obvious you haven't thought through
your idea very much, if at all.
So we should deport these kids immediately to a country where they are being
killed? Some of you don't think before you speak.