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Cartel presence in Utah 'exploding' with violence likely to increase, police warn

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  • Jimmyisliberal Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 2, 2014 2:21 p.m.

    Excellent ideas from the intellectually challenged neo-con right. Yes, it's Obama's fault. Blah-Blah-Blah! More Faux News rhetoric and a.m. radio talking points. Let's close the borders and build fences so we can all live like East/West Berlin! Or...We could legalize it all. That's correct. Legalize it all! Where are all the "freedom fighters" that continually post regarding individual rights? Let's hear it.......

  • A Guy With A Brain Enid, OK
    Aug. 1, 2014 1:31 p.m.

    My dear liberal friends: Anybody want to argue as to why 'street' drugs should be legal?

    Anyone?

    Bueller? Bueller?....

  • Martin Blank Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 10:38 a.m.

    "Just like with alcohol, legalize it and the gangs will disappear."

    Is that what happened with the Cosa Nostra, or did they diversify? Still some ol' time mob bosses around back East, aren't there? Legitimizing one aspect of an illegal business doesn't make the whole thing right--and never will.

  • 1Observer Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 8:28 a.m.

    Closing the borders will not work. The market is too lucrative and the cartels will find a way in. This has been a problem long before illegal immigration was a problem. We need to target addiction issues - the demand side of the equation. As for legalization, there is credible evidence that the cartels moved into Colorado after marijuana was legalized and the black market there is better than ever with exports to surrounding states like Utah up considerably and virtually no enforcement since you can't tell legal pot from illegal pot. Opioids are "legal" drugs but yet kill more people in this country than heroin. Utahans and Americans have a love affair with drugs - I guess we are so pampered that when faced with adversity we can't face it without some chemical courage. As long as people are willing to do anything for drugs and to get money for drugs, the illegal drug trafficking trade will flourish.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Aug. 1, 2014 8:22 a.m.

    Illegal immigration does cause part of the problem. But, the consumers of illegal drugs are the biggest part of the problem. They are your neighbors. Go to your ward. Teach in your schools. Run business. Work for the government. Participate in the community. Coach your kids sports teams. Teach piano lessons. These are the people that give the cartels money to operate through their behavior.

    Years ago, I herniated a disc in my back. I was given opiate based pain killers. After a couple of weeks, I found that I was taking pills more frequently than I needed to. I realized that I was becoming dependent on these drugs. I quit taking them cold turkey and actually went through withdrawals. Now I rarely take anything stronger than ibuprofen. I shudder to think what my live would be like now if I had kept taking those drugs.

  • SLC Grandma Salt Lake City, UT
    July 31, 2014 11:45 p.m.

    I think Salt Lake City's police chief is wrong to refuse to allow his officers to check on the legal status of persons accused or suspected of committing any kind of crime. Such scrutiny can be a definite deterrent to those deciding to come here mainly to prey on others.

  • RRB SLC, UT
    July 31, 2014 5:26 p.m.

    one old man
    Funding won't change Obama's lack of enforcement. He is not going to use the money for enforcement. He needs it to house and relocate children and adults.

    byronbca
    A person does not need to be here legally to start a business. So far our leaders have refused to pass any law barring someone here illegally from owning a business.

    NeilT
    Id theft, gangs, social security fraud, i-9 perjury, document mills, etc. Sounds like a criminal problem to me

    Schnee
    The DACA waivers cover adults up to 31 years of age.

  • chemimagineer Spanish Fork, UT
    July 31, 2014 2:25 p.m.

    It was about 3 1/2 years ago that I got a call from a hospital at 2 AM in St George where my son had been attacked by an ethnic gang member. The kids were at a party when several cars showed up with multiple gang members jumping out. My son and his friends decided quickly to leave the party...they were backing out when a person pretending to be drunk bumped the car and turned and punched my son in the face while sitting in the back seat of the car..it broke his jaw in multiple places where it appeared he would lose all his teeth. My son benches over 300 pounds, but not knowing something like this would happen, his guard was down. Within 18 hours, 2 other boys were attacked in a similar manner...with broken jaws. Within 2 days, I had a friend with Secret Clearance find out who was doing it and why...it was the Mexican Cartel trying to open up Utah to Human Trafficking and Drugs...making it clear people will be hurt if they report them. This is why the various Church's stances hurt all of us...they are here to take and steal.

  • ulvegaard Medical Lake, Washington
    July 31, 2014 1:41 p.m.

    I see strong parallels to the Gadianton band. The Nephites all but embraced them -- thought they could share in the profits (legalize drugs, get more taxes, etc.) It looks good on paper, but any group with power doesn't simply slip into oblivion because the financial structure changes - they only intensify their efforts to hold on to their wealth and power. The Lamanites did all in their power to eradicate the secret band and came real close.

    As another reader stated, Mexico tried the legalize drugs method. It didn't work.

    This sort of thing takes people who are willing to push back - whether literally or at least in refraining from contributing to the problem. Rather than legalize and tax, why don't we stop purchasing and turning a blind eye to the damage it does to society.

  • brotherJonathan SLC, UT
    July 31, 2014 10:46 a.m.

    The only reason drug cartel's are in business is we created a business for them to prosper.
    Prohibition of citizen's wants or needs causes crime.
    The only way to have prohibition on drugs was to create a slave based drug law that clearly violate citizen equality.....
    We have been sheep..
    Knowledge of our crimes against other citizens will be understood better and corrections to our status quo operations will become lawful under constitutional rule over all laws. Bribery and Slavery are not allowed....ever.
    Why we don't have reasonable logic is some areas: Satan which is our instinct mechanism is protecting our immoral status quo operations for us all.

    2 questions.
    Is every U.S. Citizen equal under U.S. Law?
    -------------------
    Do you believe you are equal to doctors of medicine; under U.S. Law?
    Why would i: have to keep going back to a doctor for the same prescription; month after month - year after year.
    Because I have to, by law.
    It’s great to be a slave master isn't it?
    And not even have to feed them.
    --------sheep
    Alma 30: 7 Strictly against God's command- any law shall bring man onto unequal grounds.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    July 31, 2014 10:34 a.m.

    If I said what I would like to say, I would be audited.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    July 31, 2014 10:16 a.m.

    "byronbca" What makes you think you have to be a legal resident to open a business?

    I have business licenses in two cities and I've never been asked for I.D. to buy the licenses. The cities couldn't care less if you're legal or not; nor will the landlord (if you're renting the business space)!

    Point is: Most all of the mexican markets you see around town are owned/run by illegal immigrant trespassers. Some of them don't even have anyone on staff who speak English.

    Guess what - they are selling more than food and beer out of them!

    I used to turn them in to the cops. They didn't ever do much. Now - I don't bother!

    Government has to have a DESIRE to do something about lawlessness - UNTIL they get to that point, nothing will happen!

  • What in Tucket? Provo, UT
    July 31, 2014 9:44 a.m.

    I hope indeed that our police will restrain the cartels. And that cartel money does not subvert them. It is unbelievable to me that people want to take mind altering chemicals. Not a help to longevity.

  • shadow01 Edwardsville, IL
    July 31, 2014 9:21 a.m.

    Here is an even more novel Idea:
    Treat the cartels as Terrorist organizations. It is obvius that the corrupt governmemnts south of the Rio Grand are either in bed with or ignoring the cartels. We have gone into Pakistan, Iraq and Afganistan after Terrorists, perhaps we should consider doing this a little closer to home. Find the cartel bases, send in a couple of Spectre Gunships, maybe test fly a couple of F-35s and eliminate them. If the folks down there pretend not to see our borders let's return the favor.
    There will be collateral damage but no more than if we continue to tiptoe around the fact that these terrorist organizations are already attacking us.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    July 31, 2014 9:06 a.m.

    Unless kids are running the cartels, those deportation waivers don't do all that much....

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    July 31, 2014 8:45 a.m.

    Close the borders. Just exactly how do we close a border that stretched from CA to Texas. Illegal immigration is an economic not a criminal problem. Why do we have to politicize everything.

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    July 31, 2014 8:13 a.m.

    I think a lot of people posting aren't connecting the dots. If a cartel member can open up a bar or restaurant to launder money they will also have the proper paperwork and would be legally documented, hence they wouldn't be illegals. This isn't an immigration issue as much as it's a supply and demand issue.

    Law enforcement needs to focus on lowering the demand from locals

  • Uncle_Fester Niskayuna, NY
    July 31, 2014 7:56 a.m.

    If you don't get serious about arresting, prosecuting, jailing and deporting you're going to end up like New York. Our daily drug arrest report here reads like a Mexican telephone directory.

  • SJB Provo, UT
    July 31, 2014 7:54 a.m.

    Its sad to see many of you blame illegal immigrants for this to cover up the huge addiction there is in the states for drugs. The cartel does what it does because of us, our addictions and selfish needs. Go ahead and blame the hard working illegal immigrants that have nothing to do with this because the people that run the cartel don't come in illegally they come in totally legal and under our nose. Its funny that you should blame all on the illegal immigrant but when he comes and cleans your house, build your home and upkeep your lifestyle you don't mind questioning his legality. All you care is that you saved money and the job was well done.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    July 31, 2014 7:54 a.m.

    BYU alum, you want the House of Representatives to STOP the funding for border protection?

    Don't you know that failure by Congress to fund border fences and other means of protection have been one of the things that has caused the "open border?"

    It's Congress, NOT the president that is to blame.

  • tenx Santa Clara, UT
    July 31, 2014 7:04 a.m.

    The gang of 13 (my list but DMN won't allow it to be stated) should be thrilled at the results of illegal immigration. Just lacking a few torsos displayed hanging from the overpasses and it will be just like Mexico. Perhaps in 20 years we will sending our children to Honduras to escape the violence here. Wish Ike would come back from the dead and solve this for us. Legal Immigration good. Illegal immigration bad. Viva LEGAL immigration.

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    July 31, 2014 6:58 a.m.

    It's only going to get worse because of the influx of illegals of all descriptions from the southern border. Stop the bleeding. Close the border. Stop the funding: U.S. House of Representatives!

  • LittleStream Carson City, NV
    July 31, 2014 6:37 a.m.

    The War on Drugs is not going to work until the War is aimed at getting people to stop using drugs, stop buying drugs. Then we still will have the illegal activities the cartels engage in. And the police has to deal with them with reduced staffing. Make sense! Once again we see our Congressional salaries hard at work.

  • RRB SLC, UT
    July 31, 2014 5:37 a.m.

    They make more money on extortion, blackmail, kidnapping and selling "protection" to business owners, than they do on drugs in Mexico. Making drugs legal won't stop them, it will just give them another avenue to launder their money.

    It's the open border people that caused this. With 15 million here illegally, and little to no deportations, it easy to hide.

  • tabuno Clearfield, UT
    July 30, 2014 11:32 p.m.

    Utah has some of the highest prescription abuse in the nation. What kind of example are we setting for our kids? Perhaps, the problem isn't so much the drug cartel as that Utah is allowing demand for drugs to make it much more lucrative for the cartel to come to Utah. The peaceful solution to the cartel violence is to address the reason they are coming here. Utah needs to focus more on drug addiction prevention and the demand side than the supply side. Dry up demand and let the cartel so someplace else to make money. It's simple Republican conservative economics of capitalist supply and demand. What conservative Utah needs is to begin to live up to its political principles.

  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    July 30, 2014 11:25 p.m.

    You can thank your local leaders (Democratic Party, Chamber of Commerce, and churches) for this. They have pushed for open borders and amnesty all for gain and with total disregard for our nation. And this newspaper's editors are not without blame. They have gladly served as the propaganda mouthpiece for amnesty and open borders for years.

    We knew the outcome and the ensuing destruction of our nation, while you only wanted to line your pockets. There's a word for this.

  • AT Elk River, MN
    July 30, 2014 10:38 p.m.

    We may have reached a point of no return. Open borders are something to consider, but that issue is minor compared to the more significant problem of the "War on Drugs." The war on drugs has been the primary influence for the rise of these gangs. Time to legalize drugs and take the money out of the business.

    prelax's comments are right on though. We may be too late.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    July 30, 2014 9:29 p.m.

    cartels feed on our vices.

    clean up our own acts and the cartels will die of starvation.

  • prelax Murray, UT
    July 30, 2014 8:35 p.m.

    bobdc6

    The cartels are into human trafficking, kidnapping, prostitution, vice etc. also, eliminating drugs won't stop them. Mexico made drugs legal for consumption over a year ago. It hasn't slowed them down.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 30, 2014 5:56 p.m.

    Open borders let criminals in. Imagine that!

    Who has been calling for border enforcement, and who has refused to do it, even though it is the law? Now you know who should get credit for the rising crime rates.

  • bobdc6 park city, UT
    July 30, 2014 5:55 p.m.

    Just like alcohol, legalize and tax, presto, no more gang income, no more gangs.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    July 30, 2014 3:08 p.m.

    Why should we be surprised?

    Open borders and continually requesting amnesties to fuel the cheap labor market has consequences.

    The LEGAL immigration process has a tendency to eliminate the undesirable element - but cheap labor lobbyists hate that.

  • Mack2828 Ft Thomas, KY
    July 30, 2014 3:04 p.m.

    Sounds like that touchy feely "Utah compact" thing isn't working out so well. Here is a novel idea: how 'bout we send the illegal aliens home?