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Published: Wednesday, July 30 2014 2:00 p.m. MDT

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Mormon Ute
Kaysville, UT

Jeff 1s,

While I have good friends amongst the Utes who disagree with me, I am one Ute fan who would be delighted to see BYU be invited to the Pac 12. That doesn't mean I think it will happen, but I think it would inject some great positive energy back into the rivalry.

The sad reality is it won't likely happen. The Pac 12 prides itself on the reputation for great graduate programs and research at its member institutions and BYU has intentionally focused undergraduate education more than research and graduate programs. Also any expansion the Pac 12 would seek will likely involved expanding its reach into other TV markets. The U gives them the Wasatch Front market and BYU wouldn't bring a new TV market to the table. That is likely one of the reasons they didn't bring both Utah and BYU in initially.

JDWVU
Charleston, WV

WVU signed a tier 3 deal with IMG last year that pays WVU $86.5 million total over the next 12 years.

The idea that the Big 12 "ONLY" gets TV money from the network deals is just W-R-O-N-G.

West Virginia has 1.8 million people, and it largest TV market is only #65 in the country. Yet they can garner an $86.5 million dollar deal for their tier 3 rights.

The B12 network deals will grow to $40 million per team, per year by the end of the current contract. That part was conveniently left out of the article as well.

I am all in favor of have a scheduling agreement with BYU and the B12. 5 games a year, rotating teams each year. But the clear picture right now is that the B12 is not interested in expanding with BYU as a target.

Mormon Ute
Kaysville, UT

FatMan86,

Really? You think Utah hasn't added any value to the Pac 12? Take a look at the Nielsen ratings for Ute football and basketball games on the Pac 12 Network, ESPN and Fox. You will find the Ute's TV audience is pretty solid. Since the size of the TV audience is what dictates advertising revenues, the Utes definitely have brought value to the Pac 12 by giving it the Wasatch Front TV market and thusly enhancing the revenue picture in the TV contracts.

TrueBlue
Orem, UT

upinthenight

You're ignoring the fact that BYU has a MUCH larger fanbase nationally and in Utah, so the economic impact on the state of Utah would be much greater if BYU had been invited to the PAC 12, instead of Utah.

The truth is the PAC 12 settled for Utah and Colorado because a couple of members didn't want to be associated with religiously affiliated schools like BYU and Baylor.

It's laughable that a Utah fan would bring up Idaho State, when Utah starts EVERY season with a Big Sky opponent, including Idaho State this season.

Riverton Cougar
Riverton, UT

""Fans and media want the big 12 to add byu"

Well, that's cherry picking now isn't it.

Correction: BYU fans the BYU media want the big 12 to add byu"

@Chris B.

Correction: according to a survey taken on ESPN, fans DO want to add BYU. You might say that lots and lots of BYU fans must have voted on that article, but you have to realize that some Utah fans probably went and voted no as well. In addition, Big 12 fans voted on it. Are you suggesting there are more BYU fans than fans of all the Big 12 schools combined?

Conclusion: Big 12 fans want BYU in.

I wonder if in 2010 ESPN had taken a PAC-10 poll asking "Should the PAC-10 invite Utah?", if that would get 70+% saying yes.

NightOwlAmerica
SALEM, OR

deductive reasoning
Arlington, VA said:

"With all of the angst created in Ute Nation every time BYU to the Big 12 is even mentioned, can't wait to see the mass hysteria that will ensue on the hill when BYU is actually invited to join the Big 12."

Doubt it. BYU has been passed over by not only the BIG 12 but other conferences. You were not only the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th choice.....you are nothing. The mass hysteria will come from BYU fans. Also, why would you get excited when you have been passed over to begin with. They did not want you before, why would you accept them now?
If anything, there are Utah fans out there that feel a little sorry for the program without an identity in Provo.

Mormon Ute
Kaysville, UT

CougarSunDevil,

LOL. How funny. BYU is Utah's security blanket? Really? Somehow we managed to get into the Pac 12 without BYU and we are going to survive two consecutive football seasons without playing BYU. Then in 2016 we will resume our winning ways over BYU until the Cougars finally decided enough is enough and ask to be released from any scheduling agreement.

That last part is somewhat tongue in cheek, but I just wanted to illustrate how ridiculous your claim is. We are rivals, but we are not dependent on each other for success or failure.

Wayne Rout
El Paso, TX

I could care less...I like being independent. I do not miss fans and players we faced in the MWC. We certainly do not need games with Utah. (A win means nothing, a loss ruins the season). I like to see the Cougars play around the country where more folks can go to the games. At these games fans are treated well and it is a fun experience...we can always play at Wyoming in November, but who wants to? I favor independence over conference. The MWC is still living off BYU. I do not see any value in splitting revenue up 12 ways. Even if we have a smaller check, we get to keep it all.

Marked it Down
Park City, UT

nightdude

"BYU has been passed over by not only the BIG 12 but other conferences."

What other conferences?

The only OTHER conference was the PAC 12.

The Big East would have taken BYU in a heartbeat. The AAC would still take BYU in a heartbeat. The ACC, Big Ten and SEC are simply too far away geographically to be a reasonably good fit.

The thing that's really laughable about all of this conference affiliation chest beating by our little brothers, is the excellence of BYU's athletic programs, which are far superior to Utah's, has never been an issue.

The main sticking points to BYU joining the PAC 12 or Big 12 have been research, no Sunday play, and television rights issues. Everybody knows that, and the constant claims by our little brothers that the quality of BYU's athletic programs is even a slight factor is complete hogwash.

Rockwell
Baltimore, MD

deductive reasoning

"With all of the angst created in Ute Nation every time BYU to the Big 12 is even mentioned, can't wait to see the mass hysteria that will ensue on the hill when BYU is actually invited to join the Big 12."

LOL!

So true.

The sheer volume of Utah fan comments on every BYU article that even mentions the Big 12 is proof of that.

That BT Hacker
Lindon, UT

Thanks Ryan for pointing out in detail one of the real drivers behind the current college football landscape. Unfortunately in today's world, it's not the athletes, universities or fans that count. Just the dollars.

WACPaddingOurSchedule
pocatello, ID

TrueBlue
Orem, UT
upinthenight

You're ignoring the fact that BYU has a MUCH larger fanbase nationally and in Utah, so the economic impact on the state of Utah would be much greater if BYU had been invited to the PAC 12, instead of Utah.

The truth is the PAC 12 settled for Utah and Colorado because a couple of members didn't want to be associated with religiously affiliated schools like BYU and Baylor.

It's laughable that a Utah fan would bring up Idaho State, when Utah starts EVERY season with a Big Sky opponent, including Idaho State this season.

__________

Who cares other than a BYU fan making up excuses. You are not in the Pac 12, your national fan base does not fill up lolly pop stadium. A majority of fans are from the greater Provo area. That does not add to the economy. Those dollars are not from out of the area.

Utah does not depend on the "Band of Buddies" to fill out its schedule every year. Notice the article highlighting an an agreement between BYU & Idaho St? You guys own that side of the road.

Johnny Triumph
American Fork, UT

This is all laughable. BYU needs a home, yes, but gone are the days of an occasional nationally broadcast game with the rest on KSLtv. It seems they're dealing with it the best they can.

I wonder if BYU will get to the point of no major TV contract and pushing ALL home games on BYUtv. I know selling ads for BYUtv might be the wrench in that machine.

WACPaddingOurSchedule
pocatello, ID

Marked it Down
Park City, UT
nightdude

"BYU has been passed over by not only the BIG 12 but other conferences."

What other conferences?

The only OTHER conference was the PAC 12.

The Big East would have taken BYU in a heartbeat. The AAC would still take BYU in a heartbeat. The ACC, Big Ten and SEC are simply too far away geographically to be a reasonably good fit.

__________

Exactly, what other conferences? That's the point. They are not talking about adding you, they don't want you = passed up by adding other schools.

Hello! The Big East and ACC are farther away than the SEC is. Ever look at a map?

UtahBruin
Saratoga Springs, UT

@ChrisB

The Pac-12 talk is getting old. The PAC-10 didn’t even want Utah to begin with, Utah was a filler because Texas backed out. The PAC-10 took Colorado over you, now that has to hurt doesn’t it. The wanted Colorado over Utah. They took Colorado and went after Texas. Utah was never even thought of until Texas decided to stay in the Big-12 for TV and money reasons. Utah was a filler to the PAC-10. So quite talking about how you belong and attacking BYU about you being a top tier program. BYU is big enough to eat at the same table as Utah, no question. And you know it! But know the history. GO BRUINS!!!

UtahBruin
Saratoga Springs, UT

@ All other real and legitimate and true Utah fans

Don't get me wrong about my previous comment to ChrisB. I do believe that sooner rather than later, Utah will be a contender in the PAC-12. It just takes time to develop that recruiting base. They are already making strides in football and basketball and was not all that bad in a tough baseball conference. And when you can compete in the BIG 3 in any conference, you become a competitor. Do I think this is their year to break out, no. But I do think it will come sooner rather than later and I respect that. However, I think BYU deserves just as much respect as Utah. I know the last 4 football years have not gone BYU's way, but there was a long history when it did. They can still compete in the BIG 3 as well (Football, Basketball, Baseball) just as well as the Utes. GO BRUINS!!!

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@CougarSunDevil
Actually, Utah does add value to the PAC-12. PAC-12 conference flags, bumper stickers, and memorabilia sales has skyrocketed in Salt Lake City since Utah joined. Not to mention Utah fans would pay top dollar to watch Utah lose to yet another team on the PAC-12 network.

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Thank you Utah fans for supporting local businesses even when your team is losing.

-- Source: Utah Economy

deductive reasoning
Arlington, VA

wacpaddled

"Who cares other than a BYU fan making up excuses."

You and the dozens of other BYU-obsessed kids on the hill - as your constant spamming of every BYU article proves.

btw, a "reason" is not an "excuse".

couglifer
South Jordan, UT

@deductive reasoning

If a BYU fan says we were in the game and just 2 or 3 plays would have changed the outcome we are making excuses
But
If a Utah fan says we were in the game and just 2 or 3 plays would have changed the outcome they are competitive and on the rise in the Pac whatever
So if BYU says it, it is an excuse
If a Ute says it, it is a statement

Surf is Up
Miami, FL

Good article. That answered some questions I've had for a long time.

You ute fans who claim to have moved on but haven't been able to do so (you know who you are) should know better than to try and shamelessly push the myth that the U was invited into the PAC based solely on two great seasons, which were actually separated by four years, and bookended by many more years where U have done absolutely nothing to boast about.

It is like saying the PAC bought a cheese burger in order to get the two pickles in it and not because there is something great in each layer of the sandwich.

I guess the reality of who is really relevant and who isn't is so stark that U guys don't really want to face it. You'd rather just keep nipping at the heels of all things BYU.

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