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Published: Wednesday, July 30 2014 9:20 a.m. MDT

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2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I don't know if it's misunderstood, but it's definitely ABUSED by some (for political gain). Same goes for race, age, poverty, etc. When it's used for political gain... it's usually abuse of the actual cause for an individual politician or party's benefit. This is often the case with Feminism.

When it's not being USED for politics... it's a good movement.

Anti Bush-Obama
Chihuahua, 00

I think the movement is being Hijacked with the goal of making Women believe that the Government is the man.

John Charity Spring
Back Home in Davis County, UT

No reasonable person can deny that the American way of life is under direct attack by those who seek to replace it with European style post Christian socialist dogma. That is evidenced here.

All reasonable persons agree that women should and must be treated with dignity and respect, and must have equal access to education and employment. However, that is not what this so-called feminist movement is really about.

The modern feminist movement has been hijacked by those who are pushing an agenda of uncontrolled sexuality and drug use. Indeed, the emphasis is not on helping women, but is on promoting activities that harm women, men, and children.

If we really care about women (and men and children) let us do everything we can to foster stable family relationships. That will do far more for society than anything else.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

No reasonable person can deny that the American way of life is under direct attack by those who seek to replace it with a post constitutional, theocratic dogma.
The modern feminist movement is a bulwark against this encroachment

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

I think the movement is under attack by the radical right wing which wants to put women back into their places. They were never happen with women's suffrage. They're even angrier now that women want equal pay.

For the fascist right it's about propaganda. they want us to romanticize about the past. You know, the good old days when men went to work and women stayed in the kitchen. It's orderly, it's traditional, and it's a way to bond together the fascist right movement by focusing on a common enemy: Those evil Liberal Feminists.

Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

@JCS
"However, that is not what this so-called feminist movement is really about. "

I find that it's best to let the people in the movement tell you what it's about, not the people who hate the movement. Ask a Tea Partier what a Progressive is or ask a Progressive what a Tea Partier stands for, I suspect both definitions would be very far from what the person in that group would subscribe to.

"Indeed, the emphasis is not on helping women, but is on promoting activities that harm women, men, and children. "

Yeah, like the promotion of policies whereby pregnant women don't get fired just because they got pregnant like that Hobby Lobby employee (ironic...) or the expansion of family leave for mothers after giving birth where the US is woefully behind virtually every nation in the world.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

@Real Maverick

Re "I think the movement is under attack by the radical right wing which wants to put women back into their places"...

So... where was "the moment" when a woman was trying to break the glass ceiling and running for Vice President? (Hint... attacking her and telling their people not to vote for her every step of the way).

Obviously this isn't about Women... it's about Left vs Right, and that's the total sum of what this movement is about. Otherwise they would have supported Sarah Plain's campaign, and not attacked it.

This is the Left... using Women for politics... plain and simple.

Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

@2bits
"So... where was "the moment" when a woman was trying to break the glass ceiling and running for Vice President?"

So a frequent claim is that feminism is all about claiming women are superior to men and not about equal rights, and yet when they do something that doesn't fit that "women are superior" narrative (generally not endorse Palin) they get grief for that too?

Tyler D
Meridian, ID

@2 bits – “Obviously this isn't about Women... it's about Left vs Right”

So feminists should support any woman regardless of any other views they may or may not have in common? I guess by that logic, we should expect feminists to be supportive of our “war on terror” unless the terrorist is a woman, then they should all break into a Helen Reddy chorus.

“I am woman, hear me blow up…”

nycut
New York, NY

@2 bits "So... where was 'the movement' when a woman was trying to break the glass ceiling and running for Vice President?"

I think you're referring to Sarah Palin, and I think people in general largely realized that she was not woman for the job.

Where any intelligent, accomplished, serious Republican candidates would have been already apparent and widely-known, a barely-experienced governor of a miniscule population was chosen for a completely different set of qualifications: her common-folksy, God-fearin', gun-packin', telegenic appeal that would shore up the base at a time that a "female cred" was also needed for the party to appear to be, ironically, more modern and more inclusive of female leaders.
Polls, not ideals, drove that decision.

Picking a pretty cheerleader to rev up support for the "war hero" was sort of an "un-feminist" thing to do, actually.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

@ 2 bites

Palin was never attacked for being a woman.

She was attacked for her inability to answer simple questions about her job as Vice President. She especially failed when she was destroyed in her debate despite having answers written on her hand.

And yes, the right loved her because she fit that "conservative" mold. Hockey mom, gun shooter, intellectually lacking, but "faith" driven. Essentially, the woman version of your disastrous president, Georgie Bush.

Darrel
Eagle Mountain, UT

Feminism-The radical notion that Women are actually people too.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

@nycut, Real Maverick, Tyler D, Schnee,

So... you're saying "the movement" would have supported a REPUBLICAN woman for Vice President... if only it wasn't Sarah Palin???

That's literally NEVER going to happen. And I think even YOU know it.

Name ONE Republican woman "the movement" would support.

(this should be interesting)... Still think it's not about Left vs Right??

Bendana
99352, WA

"Name ONE Republican woman "the movement" would support. "

Better question, name one republican woman that has come out against her party on the issues of equal pay, maternity leave and violence against women. When they stop voting lock step with the good ole boys, maybe we'll take a look. But for now all the GOP give's us are the Palins, Bachmanns and McMorris's.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

@2 bits "So... where was 'the movement' when a woman was trying to break the glass ceiling and running for Vice President?"

======

We were backing her with Republicans fighting tooth and nail:
Geraldine Ferraro -- Democrat 1984

BTW --
Sarah Palin was still Sarah Heath,
and had just won the Miss Wasilla beauty pageant as a teenager.

Tyler D
Meridian, ID

@2 bits – “Name ONE Republican woman "the movement" would support.”

OK, I see your point and it hinges on how you define “the movement.” If by feminism you mean a movement of certain left wing political figures who vote strictly Democrat, then yes.

However, I see feminism as much broader than that. Feminism for most people I know is the basic idea that women have the same rights as men and that societies are better off when 100% of their citizens have the opportunity to pursue (and provide us the benefits of) their talents and dreams to their full extent.

By this definition I’d guess many Republicans are feminists and would relish the chance to support an intelligent, experienced and capable Republican woman. Condoleezza Rice comes to mind (some errors in judgment during her Bush tenure notwithstanding).

Seriously, look up her resume and compare it to Palin’s and tell me how by any stretch of the imagination Sarah Palin was qualified to become VP.

PS – Rice’s IQ is estimated to be between 150 and 180 (almost double Palin’s).

Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

@2bits
They tended to have a fair bit of support for Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-TX), Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins from Maine but as long as the Republican party has views the way they do now I don't see them getting much of any support on the presidential/vice-presidential level.

"Still think it's not about Left vs Right??"

It's not their fault one political party agrees with almost everything they support and the other disagrees with almost everything they support.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

@ 2 bites

I don't think Palin was ever attacked by feminists. So whatever point you were trying to make is moot. I'm guessing that you're doing what you always tend to do, detail the topic at hand to wage another different (personal) debate.

The truth is, the right has been taken over by radicals. The religious right, that has always been with us and has fought against every major cultural change (freedom for slaves, womens suffrage, civil rights, etc) and the well financed corporate elite.

The religious right has gained power and new converts due to the fall of American manufacturing and disastrous trickle down economics. The worse we become economically the more desperate converts Beck, Rush, Ted Robertson, etc get.

The corporate elite have bought off pastors, politicians, media outlets, and think tanks to dissolve the federal government. By dissolving the federal government they eliminate unions, safety protections, and watch dogs that would otherwise prevent their monopolies.

To be continued...

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Continued from above

The male dominated corporate elite don't want to pay for women's health benefits nor pay them equally. So they finance pastors and conservative media to exploit the fear that feminists are corrupting and destroying the nation.

Conservative media financed by corporate elitists work together to eliminate their common enemy, feminists. Every fascist movement needs a common enemy. Whether it be immigrants and Jews in the 1930s or Muslims, homosexuals, or feminists today.

So yes, feminists are under attack just like any and every freedom loving democracy embracing American. Our freedoms are under attack by a fascist movement disguising itself in patriotism, religion, and "free market" economics.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

I think women are subject to the same kind of prejudice as blacks, and other subjugated groups and for the same reason. That reason being is that they represent competition in the struggle for power to control others.

In early America it was a crime to allow blacks to be educated with the ability to read and write. In some parts of the world this policy is applied to females in the same way.

The key to equality for any person of any group is simply education. However when you are starting from behind the starting line you may have to run a little faster than the guy with the head start.

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