Not surprising that the non-P5 conference says BYU is a P5 level program but the
ACC and SEC say BYU isn't.I don't know how many times an
article will have to be posted or how many times I need to say this before
everyone understands the big picture here: We are a P5 caliber program, but the
P5 is politically trying to separate themselves from the non P5's. So of
course they will say we aren't at that level. Even if we made
the College Football Playoff, the SEC wouldn't consider us a P5 school,
because that takes away everything the scheduling rule is designed to do:
separate from anyone outside the P5.It's not that hard to
understand. If you read between the lines, that is basically what every single
one of these types of articles is really saying.
PAC-12 coaches have called BYU a P5 talent. ACC and SEC have not. I believe this
is political. Calling BYU P5 competition benefits PAC schools because they play
BYU more often. Why say someone is good when distance dictates you will not play
them frequently.If BYU's campus was in Florida, the ACC and SEC
would claim BYU was a power competitor and the PAC would probably say they were
not. Its just a bunch of posturing. The ACC probably wants them to be considered
a power opponent because they're playing them and they're in the same
boat as BYU in regards to being in the have-not camp.
Kudos to the AAC commissioner for recognizing that BYU is a P5 caliber school
regardless of what the ACC and SEC thinks. For me personally, I don't
really care if the whole world considers us a non P5 mid major team. I only
care that we win out whatever schedule we're able to put together year in
and year out. Do that and eventually things will work out and respect will come
and hard to be denied.
At first I thought byu had gotten a huge endorsement from the prestigious ACC
But the realized it was just WAC level AAC. Taysom,Byu and all other mid majors will have to set up your own playoffs if
you ever want to dream of playing in them. We(power conferecnes)
have our own playoff. Yours will be division II
Taysom4Heisman:"I don't know how many times an article will
have to be posted or how many times I need to say this before everyone
understands the big picture here: We are a P5 caliber program, but the P5 is
politically trying to separate themselves from the non P5's."I don't know how many times Y fans have to be told, or by how many
different Power 5 leagues, but the reason why you're considered a
midmajor......is because you ARE a midmajor.It
can't be said any plainer than that. It isn't "political".
It's who you are.UTEP, Western Michigan, and pretty much nearly
every opponent on your weak SOS schedule, are all midmajors. The P5 isn't
holding them back either. It isn't "political". It's who
THEY are.If the Y wants to be a Power 5 school, they need to act
like one. And for as long as you all continue to put out schedules like 2011,
2012, 2014, and 2015, you'll NOT be acting like one. One doesn't
become P5 because they can beat a bunch of other weak SOS midmajors.
It's interesting that Mike Aresco claimed that the AAC is "proud"
to play the Y, since the first league they offered that partnership to was
C-USA. Who declined it. It looks like the AAC was in panic mode. With no
C-USA team to line up against, Aresco was staring down the barrel of an
alignment with the MAC or the Sun Belt. Luckily the cougars had no postseason
tie-in, and were equally desperate. A match made in heaven.Anyway,
I'm not sure "proud" is the correct word to describe the AAC's
agreement with the Y. I think a more apropos term would be "relieved".
This would be a HUGE agreement....if we were talking basketball
@holy moly,Not true. If there was reason for the Pac 12 to call byu
p5 quality(which we haven't) there would be reason for the ACC and SEC to
do so also, as they also play byu once in a while.Even if a
conference plays byu less than other conferences, that wouldn't mean the
team that plays byu less woulnt have the same reasons to call them power 5
quality. What reason would those conferences not have to call byu p5 quality,
if they thought byu was?You make it sound like if a conference plays
byu only once a year then they don't have incentive to call byu p5 quality
but if a conference plays them twice a year then they do? That's
nonsense.We(the power conferences) call it like we see it.And NONE of us think you are P5 quality.And NO, the Pac 12 never
said byu was P5 quality.
BYU is poised to do more damage than perhaps any other "non-P5" school.
I agree with the others who have said the ACC, SEC and PAC are all politically
positioning themselves. BYU will be the surprise team in the CFB Playoff era
which begins with UCONN 1 month from now!
Wait, I thought BYU burned the bridge with the AAC. That's what the Utah
fans are saying. You mean the Utah fans are wrong? How could that be?
T4H "We are a P5 caliber program".I respect your theory, and would
love to see the theory tested out against a P5 schedule.
You can say what you want about BYU not being a P5 team. Bleacher Report has
run two columns, Predicting Every Power 5 Team's MVP and Every Power-5
Conference Team's Biggest Concern Heading into Fall Camp. Each of these
columns highlight 67 of the 120+ teams in D1. BYU is included in each of these
articles as being considered a Power-5 team.Accept it. Don't
accept it. UTE fans are really the only people that don't want it to be
true and be forced to admit that a great many of the national media believe BYU
does, indeed, belong in the P-5 conversation. What has to be
galling to Ute fans is that BYU is able to garner this national respect as an
Independent. They don't have to ride a conference's coattails in
order to included in the P-5 conversation among the national media. Unlike Utah
who is only included in the P-5 discussion solely as the result of belonging to
the PAC-12. Outside of that conference, Utah would be on the outside looking
Not too surprising that my BYU-obsessed little sister and her friends have
spammed another BYU article.The tide is turning and conference
commissioners and other college football experts who aren't forced to play
politics are beginning to recognize BYU as the power program they are and have
been for since the late 70's.
chrissywho is the "we" that you refer to?
Last time I checked, BYU is not the only non conference opponent for schools in
some of these conferences. I'm sure they are tired of being asked about BYU
and their quest for recognition.
SoonerUte"I respect your theory, and would love to see the
theory tested out against a P5 schedule."Before Utah was invited
to join the PAC 12, we heard lots of talk about Utah being able to compete with
"anybody"So, what does 4-5, 3-6, 2-7, with 2 of 3 losing
bowl less seasons tell you about Utah being a "P5 caliber" program?So far, there's scant evidence that Utah is anything more than
cannon fodder for the true P5 caliber members of the PAC 12.
Interesting how every ranking I have yet seen for 2014 (I think I am up to 6
now) puts BYU ahead of at least half of the "Power 5" schools. The
earlier comment hat this all political and especially FINANCIAL posturing.
Allowing any more teams into the "Power 5" would require splitting the
pie into more pieces. And everyone knows that $20 million each is not a big
enough slice as it is, right Big 12?
wacpaddled"I'm sure they are tired of being asked about BYU
and their quest for recognition."I'm absolutely certain
they're not nearly as tired as BYU fans are of having to put up with the
constant spamming of every BYU article by our little brothers in their quest for
@SoonerUte:Anybody can play a power 5 conference schedule and get
beat like a drum. Just ask the Utes if inclusion in a P5 conference and playing
that schedule means you're any good. The paycheck is nice though so you
have that going for you.Here's the facts:BYU was
the FIRST (and only) team outside the power conferences to bust the system and
win the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP....a feat that at least 45 of 65 "power
conference" teams have NEVER done... including: Arizona, Arizona St, UCLA,
Stanford, Oregon, Oregon St, Washington St and UTAH of the mighty PAC12. Those 8
teams must be the "WE" that Chris B. talks about so often.No
matter what Chris B. says BYU cemented its legacy as a power team with that
championship and it will always trump Utah's BCS bowls and PAC12
membership. Sorry guys
I am dumbfounded. A league that, just a year ago, was a "big 6" BCS
league, who is now scrambling to regain any sort of credibility that they
possibly can has their conference commish coming out and saying that their
fellow, formerly respected(30 years ago) BYU cougs should be considered P5
worthy. Weird...@Taysome4runningbackEven if we made the
College Football Playoff, the SEC wouldn't consider us a P5 school, because
that takes away everything the scheduling rule is designed to do: separate from
anyone outside the P5.I know you have to hide it, but you must
realize. If the SEC considered the cougs a P5 opponent it would actually help
their conference. Their new rule says that each team has to play a certain
number of OOC P5 teams. If they considered BYU a P5 team, that would equate to a
relativaley easy win against a "P5" team, which would be beneficial to
midpacmajorSalt Lake City, UtahSo far, there's scant
evidence that Utah is anything more than cannon fodder for the true P5 caliber
members of the PAC 12.___________Interesting. I'm
sure every ranked team that has beat BYU the past several years is thinking the
very same thing.
midpacmajorSalt Lake City, Utahwacpaddled"I'm
sure they are tired of being asked about BYU and their quest for
recognition."I'm absolutely certain they're not nearly
as tired as BYU fans are of having to put up with the constant spamming of every
BYU article by our little brothers in their quest for recognition._______Calling all AAC fans!Calling any AAC fans!Are
there any here?Whatever.
@Naval Vet"One doesn't become P5 because they can beat a
bunch of other weak SOS midmajors."Well that's exactly how
utah and TCU got into the P5, so yeah, it kind of is how you get in. I know utah
won one big game in the Sugar Bowl (don't try to count the Fiesta Bowl as a
big win), but that's it. The Michigan game didn't count either. That
was arguably their worst season in history. utah fed off of a weak schedule and
won a couple decent games against BYU and TCU. The years where BYU was a great
team (2006, 2007, 2009) we beat utah. utah only beat us in the years where it
wasn't as much of an impressive win. It was still solid, but not great.So, contrary to your theory, you can very much get into the P5 by
dominating "a bunch of other weak SOS midmajors. You just need to throw in 1
or 2 bigger wins, which we have the opportunity to do.
Wow... A tough pill to swallow for the Cougar haters from uteville...
@ Chris BYou don't speak for the P5 conferences. Settle
down.@ 32843Bleacher Report is not a credible media
outlet. Their entire content is made up of opinions of bloggers who are
essentially fans of their team/sport they are writing about.
I like BYU's relationship with the AAC. I would love to get a scheduling
agreement with them to play 4 games every year. The AAC has replaced the MWC as
the best non-P5 conferance. They are as good or better than the MWC in
basketball with UCONN, Memphis, Cinnci. If they could expand to 14 teams and
include Boise St, BYU and San Diego they would rival any P5 conferance! I know
some may laugh at this comment but besides the top 2-3 teams of each conferance
the remaining schools are mediocre and ride the coat tails of the larger
schools. Does anyone really think that Iowa St, Northwestern, Kentucky, Duke,
Washington St, Colorado, or Utah really have an opportunity to win a NC? Sure
their access is greater but that is it. All the talk about being a P5 school is
just that, talk. Only way Utah ever wins it all is going undefeated. Guess
what, if BYU, UCONN, UCF, Boise St, etc go undefeated they likley win the NC as
well under the new system. Would an undefeated non-P5 school be in the top 4 at
the end of the year? Win out and they are the NC.
Taysom4HeismanHeber City, UTWell that's exactly how utah
and TCU got into the P5, so yeah, it kind of is how you get in...So, contrary to
your theory, you can very much get into the P5 by dominating "a bunch of
other weak SOS midmajors. You just need to throw in 1 or 2 bigger wins, which we
have the opportunity to do."Actually, Taysom, that's NOT
how Utah got into the P5. Utah qualified themselves on the field but their
invitation was solidified in the elite Pac-12 off the field. An opportunity byu
doesn't have because the school has been about nothing but sports for
decades.Here's a question for you, Taysom...apparently you
dislike that fact that Utah beat a weak Michigan team in 2008. Please explain
to this board your sentiment of byu beating an equally weak, if not weaker
Michigan team that had absolutely NO CHANCE of being named the NC in 1984 had
they won the game.
Good to see that our friends from Iowa State, errr, Utah are still interested in
BYU to the point that not only do they read articles about BYU - they take the
time to comment on articles about BYU. Hopefully the Cyclones, errr, Utes can
make it to a bowl game this year..
65TossPowerTrapSalmon, IDGood to see that our friends from Iowa
State, errr, Utah are still interested in BYU to the point that not only do they
read articles about BYU - they take the time to comment on articles about BYU.
Hopefully the Cyclones, errr, Utes can make it to a bowl game this year..__________That Cougar win over Texas played up by BYU fans
does not look so great. Iowa St. has beat them as well.Hopefully BYU will
beat a ranked team this season errr, attempt to compete on the field.BYU is 3-8-1 all time against Colorado.BYU is 6-11 all time against San
Blah blah blah again.Thanks, Ute fans for my morning dish of
drivel.All BYU has to do is win.Forget about childish
rivals and their naive opinions. I'm sure they don't really believe
the drivel they write. But I'm pretty sure they hope it's true.Prove them wrong, Cougars.
@UteinIdaho"I know you have to hide it, but you must realize. If
the SEC considered the cougs a P5 opponent it would actually help their
conference. Their new rule says that each team has to play a certain number of
OOC P5 teams. If they considered BYU a P5 team, that would equate to a
relativaley easy win against a "P5" team, which would be beneficial to
the conference?"No, it wouldn't help them. The SEC hardly
ever schedules BYU, so if they considered BYU a P5 team, it would make the Pac
12, and, to a lesser extent, the Big 12 and ACC, have tougher schedules. It
would hardly do anything for the SEC because we rarely play them.Also, I don't know how BYU would be an easier win than about half of the
P5 teams out there. We have won our last 2 games against SEC opponents. Sure,
those teams were towards the bottom of the SEC, but still, we have proven that
we are at least better than the bottom of the conference, and would probably be
competitive with the middle of the conference.
Too bad the Utes are P5 and BYU isn't! Just look at the schedule we play
week in and week out and our record proves just how tough the PAC 12 is!Go Pac 12!!Go Utes - Rose Bowl Champs this year baby!
@MyPerspective"An opportunity byu doesn't have because the
school has been about nothing but sports for decades."BYU's
academics are rated much higher than utah's. We do many great things off
the field. We are not only sports. Unfortunately, we weren't the type of
institution the Pac 12 was looking for. They wanted a non-religious research
school. We are a high enough caliber of school, but we weren't the type of
school they wanted."apparently you dislike that fact that Utah
beat a weak Michigan team in 2008. Please explain to this board your sentiment
of byu beating an equally weak, if not weaker Michigan team..."Comparing the 1984 Michigan team to the 2008 team is ridiculous. The 1984 team
made a bowl game and would have played in the Big 10 title game with a win over
Ohio State. The 2008 team went 3-9 and is widely regarded as the worst Michigan
team ever.P.S. We also beat Pittsburgh and Air Force in 1984, 2 of
the better teams in the country that year.
@Taysom4QB:"P.S. We also beat Pittsburgh and Air Force in 1984,
2 of the better teams in the country that year."Pitt finished
the regular season 3-7-1 and unranked.A.F. finshed the regular season 7-4
(with one of those losses to Utah) but still unranked.It is pretty
clear that neither team was one "of the better teams in the country that
I've been getting a kick out of Chris B and his "We" talk about
"We" are P5, and "We" have our own playoff. What he's
forgetting is that just because the U belongs to a P5 conference doesn't
really mean they are a P5 school. I've yet to see the U play a
P5 caliber game against their P5 opponents. At best they are still a mid-major
team playing in a P5 conference, as opposed to BYU, a mid major independent
playing against an assortment of P5 and mid-major teams. Not too much
difference except that the independent team has been going bowling and the other
has not. It's always fun to watch the chest bumping going on
in the little leagues.GO COUGARS!!
Trolls, would you consider Florida State a P5 team or a mid-major? One might
argue that because they were ranked #1 last season were the consensus national
champions that they are indeed a P5-caliber team. Nope. Not according to your
logic. Last season FSU’s strength of schedule was ranked #62
in the country (BYU was #38). In 2012 it was #66 (BYU was #63). In 2011 they
were ranked #68 (BYU #90)… so in BYU’s independent era BYU has had a
SOS better than FSU (#64 to #65). Well, it’s the week in,
week out grind, right? SOS is SOS no matter how you spin it. BYU has been
playing an ACC (not AAC) caliber schedule since going independent. If they are
playing schedules on par with the current national champions it's hard to
discount what they accomplish without throwing several P5 teams under the bus
(national champs included).
I think I see a pattern here. The conferences BYU want to join are not expanding
and probably wouldn't take BYU if they were. Meanwhile the conferences BYU
is not interested in are not expanding either. Can we get fall camp underway so
there is something resembling real news again?
Taysom4Heisman:"Well that's exactly how utah and TCU got
into the P5, so yeah, it kind of is how you get in."No,
that's not how your big brothers -- Utah and TCU -- got into the P5. We
got into the P5 because Utah and TCU were ranked #1 and #2 in non-AQ teams
beating BCS level teams. Both of us had winning records, and were the
winningest teams in that regard. No other midmajor had a winning record vs. BCS
schools, and the 3rd winningest team -- Navy -- was far behind Utah and TCU with
respect to beating those AQ schools.Again, we got into the Power 5
by beating "big boy" programs; not "small ball" programs. You
guys are feasting on "small ball". So you'll be midmajors forever.
BigCougFan:"I've yet to see the U play a P5 caliber game
against their P5 opponents."Which Utah games had you been
watching? Utah went 8-5 in 2011, and beat Pitt, Ore St, Ariz, UCLA,
Wash St, and Ga Tech in the Sun Bowl, and lost close games vs. USC and Colo.
That's 8 "P5 caliber" games vs. P5 opponents right there.In 2012, Utah beat Cal, Wash St, and Colo. So there's 3.In
2013, Utah beat #11 Stanford and Colo, and lost close games vs. Ore St, #16
UCLA, and #21 Ariz St. So there's another 5.That's 16
total. If you truly had "yet to see" Utah play P5 football, it's
because you have yet to see Utah play football. Other than to see us annually
manhandle your indy-irrelevant program on the field of course, but that
doesn't really count as us playing a P5 opponent.
CougarSunDevil:"Wait, I thought BYU burned the bridge with the
AAC."They DID burn that bridge. You didn't read Mike
Aresco saying they were interested in on the cougars joining their league, did
you? Because I didn't. Just because they set up a "small ball"
bowl game in Miami for the end of the 2014 season, that doesn't mean they
want anything more to do with you. Don't forget....the AAC approached
C-USA to play in that bowl game before they settled for you. Do cougar fans
believe C-USA > the Y? Because if not, then why did they first approach
them while knowing full well the cougars were seeking a postseason agreement?Burnt bridge perhaps?It seems to me that AAC had to come to
terms with their only options being the MAC, the Sun Belt, and the Y.
A friend of mine, who is from Utah, told me to look at the interesting back and
forth between BYU and Utah fans on this message board. Being an USC Alum and
having most of my family being USC Alums, it is shocking to me to see how Utah
fans view themselves, compared to the reality of how everyone else views them.
We (the real PAC-10 members) view the Utah and Colorado additions to our
conference as nothing more than consistent victories that add to our win column
(which has proven out). Inviting Utah to join the Pac 10 is like when the good
looking folks invite the fat girl with them to the bar……the fat girl
(think Utah) makes the rest of the folks look better. There are a lot of PAC-10
alums in my office and they agree. The key for Utah is to stop the delusions
that they are relevant and embrace their status as the fat girl….
Naval Vet, you're right that the Miami Beach bowl isn't very
prestigious but apparently you haven't read up on how these new bowls work.
The AAC, MAC, MWC, Sun Belt have formed a small bowl coalition to fill these
new bowls in the Bahamas, Boca Raton, and Miami. The conferences will rotate
teams each year between these bowls with the AAC being the "anchor"
conference (according to ESPN). Because BYU was looking for a bowl agreement
for 2014 they were able to get in on the inaugural bowl in Miami but there is no
long term agreement with this coalition. Most BYU fans will admit
that the bowl situation hasn't been ideal since going independent but I
think many (like myself) are relieved that they were able to get a bowl
agreement for 2014 (it was really getting down to the wire). Hopefully we can
get better bowl tie-ins in the future.
@ David HaymondIt's interesting how many USC fans who happen to
have a connection on to BYU come onto this board to weigh in on Utah.
Taysom4HeismanHeber City, UT"BYU's academics are
rated much higher than utah's." And this comes from where?
USNWR?? Fine. Go to USNWR and look at grad schools. byu is totally
outclassed by USU and with Utah it isn't even a contest. What byu has is
dirt cheap tuition. End of story.We do many great things off the
field. We are not only sports. Unfortunately, we weren't the type of
institution the Pac 12 was looking for." Really? The Pac-10
wanted research institutions...religion had nothing to do with it. How can byu
be a a high enough caliber school if it can't meet the Pac-10 criteria for
an invite? I didn't ask you to compare two Michigan teams. I
asked to you to tell this board how beating a bad Michigan team (6-5) in 1984 is
any more note worthy that Utah's victory in 2008.
"UteinIdaho"Your logic is lacking. The ONLY reason the SEC,
ACC, and other "Big 5"/"Power 5" conferences do not want to
include BYU in their figuring is PURELY FINANCIAL. If they require their fellow
Big 5's to only play other Big 5's then the TV revenue for every game
stays in in the Big 5. If you play anyone outside the Big 5 then at least a
chunk (up to half) of that game's revenue will go to another
school/conference.Not that hard to understand. I expect the next
big move of the Big 5 will be to restructure their existing conferences to
balance the numbers of teams in each conference -- which could include
eliminating one conference.... 4 conferences of 16 teams each = 64 teams --- the
current number of teams in the Big 5. Of course, that would leave out Notre
Dame, which is unthinkable (no joke intended). So....
Naval Vet"We got into the P5 because Utah and TCU were ranked #1
and #2 in non-AQ teams beating BCS level teams."Don't kid
yourself.Do you really think that the PAC 10 was so naive that a
couple of flash-in-the-pan seasons is all that it took to convince them that
Utah was a power conference level program?The truth is, Utah
happened to be the best available, research-oriented, non-religiously based
program within close proximity of the PAC 10 television footprint.Nothing more.4-5, 3-6, 2-7 proves that Utah wasn't invited to
the PAC because they expected the Utes to actually be competitive with the big
boys of the conference.
Some facts to digest;* BYU is the only Utah team to win a national
championship* BYU wins more then half their games* In recent years,
BYU has defeated Oklahoma, Oregon, Arizona, and Texas.* In the past seven
years, BYU has played in more bowl games then any other Utah team.* BYU
has more television coverage then all other Utah teams combined.Hmm?
BYU is the University of Utah.
David HaymondPhoenix, AZNice sentiment from a byu fan. I
share these comments with colleagues from USC as well. They don't
understand why byu fans think everyone wants to be like them. They believe Utah
fans should just ignore byu. Tough to do with the envy byu has toward the Utes
and 40 miles of Interstate.I work with a lot of Pac-10 alums and
welcome the Utes to the fold. Interesting, isn't it.
To MyPerspective:I don't know anything about envy that BYU has
towards Utah so I can't comment on that. Maybe that is the case, I just
haven't followed.Regarding your following comment, "I work
with a lot of Pac-10 alums and welcome the Utes to the fold", that was my
entire point. We welcome you because you lose. Remember, the fat girl gets
invited to the bar with the good-looking kids. She didn't crash the party,
she was invited. We invited you to our party.....just stop fooling yourself
that you are one of the good-looking kids. By the way, maybe you are better
than BYU because they are going stag to the bar (or maybe aren't going at
all), but they don't appear as delusions as you all.
"They believe Utah fans should just ignore BYU"LOL!Utah fans are obsessed with BYU. In fact, the only time they even talk about
their own team is when they're comparing Utah to BYU.It's
what little brothers do.
Just the FAX:"Do you really think that the PAC 10 was so naive
that a couple of flash-in-the-pan seasons is all that it took to convince them
that Utah was a power conference level program?"Utah was invited
to join the Pac-10 back in June of 2010. By that time, the BCS just completed
its 12 season. Twelve years = a couple of flash-in-the-pan seasons?
That's 10 winning seasons, 9 consecutive bowl wins (to 0 bowl losses), and
more wins over BCS league opponents than any other non-AQ school.Nope. Not "flash-in-the-pan"."The truth is, Utah
happened to be the best available, research-oriented, non-religiously based
program within close proximity of the PAC 10 television footprint."Religion had nothing to do with it. You made that up. You can't say,
"The truth is...", then follow that up with a lie. Don't kid
My, my, my. It seem that some of our friends from the local P-5 college are
sure obsessed by all things BYU. We thank you for your interest and concern in
our schedule. However, you may want to direct some of that obsession to your
P-5 team. Back-to-back records of 5-7 is rather discouraging. Is it possible
that your team is really nothing more than a mid-major playing over its head in
a P-5 conference? Kinda looks that way.
65TossPowerTrapSalmon, ID"My, my, my. It seem that some of
our friends from the local P-5 college are sure obsessed by all things BYU. We
thank you for your interest and concern in our schedule."And
Utah fans want to thank you all for the continuous stream of lies and
misrepresentations that bring us to the byu boards. The entertainment value of
absolutely off the charts. Rise and pout...
@Chris BWrong. First of all, I am not BYU and second of all your
"NONE of us think you are P5 quality" statement is ignorant and
annoying.Perhaps you should read the Des News article titled:
"Arizona vice president of athletics Greg Byrne considers BYU a Power 5
opponent."You ask "What reason would those conferences not
have to call byu p5 quality, if they thought byu was?". In a nutshell, the
SEC would be admitting the PAC-12 is playing tougher competition. I'm not
talking about 1 or 2 games as you indicate in your post. BYU has 18+ future
games scheduled with PAC-12 teams. The SEC has far fewer.I
appreciate different opinions, but yours wear on me. Mostly because they are
belittling and expose your prejudice. I understand the rivalry drives this in
some people on both sides, but for the life of me, I can't understand why
putting people down makes some people happy. Its a character trait I mostly
associate with adolescent bullies. A trait I never want to have.
David Haymond:"There are a lot of PAC-10 alums in my office and they
agree. The key for Utah is to stop the delusions that they are relevant and
embrace their status as the fat girl…."Well speak for
yourself Trojan. I also know many PAC12 fans having just moved her from Eugene.
I don't share your assessment of Utah. It is my humble opinion that Utah
will be more competitive in the near future as they build their program. I also
think eventually the money and recruiting will help Colorado. Fight
On!...through those scholy restrictions and probations.As for the
animosity in this rivalry, I agree it's crazy. I never thought it was this
heated before moving here. I respect BYU and think they have a quality program.
I also think BYU success helps Utah and vice versa so why they hate each other
so much, who knows. But Utah deserves to be here, so lose the fat girl jokes.
All this discussion as to whether BYU is a "P5" program is funny. That
will shake itself out in the future based on how we play. We have good recruits
and a good coach. It is not a situation we are in control of but we are doing
the best job we can given the position we are in. I personally like being
independent as I like playing teams from all over the country. I know I will get
mocked for that comment by everyone here that knows everything I should know but
I do like going to the games in different parts of the country and meeting BYU
fans and new opponent fans. I personally think it is an exciting time to be a
cougar. Go Cougs!
David HaymondPhoenix, AZ"I don't know anything about
envy that BYU has towards Utah so I can't comment on that. Maybe that is
the case, I just haven't followed."Then you shouldn't
be in the middle of a discussion between byu and Utah fans. Utah's
membership in the Pac-12 is enviable to byu which is the point, here, on local
media boards. byu fans spin some mighty tall tales to explain their standing in
CFB. That is the focus of these discussions.Utah fans are well are
of the Utes' pathetic record in the Pac-12 and where we stand. Again, the
discussions in local media between Utah and byu fans have nothing to with Pac-12
teams. You colleague has done a dis-service to you by suggesting otherwise.
btw...it is disappointing to see that type of comment from a USC
alum. I was under the impression USC fans were classier than that.
Another nightmare article for the Ute fans. They wake up and go straight to the
Deseret News Sports section. Click on BYU, not on their Utes. See that BYU is
getting some more kudos from someone who knows sports, politically and on the
field.Then they have to defend their insecurity for 3+ pages. No,
they're not the lil' brother at all. BYU is. lol.Thanks
Mr. Aresco for voicing what most of college football already knows. BYU is big
AAC Commissioner Mike Aresco: 'We're proud that our teams are playing
BYU'What else is he supposed to say. When none of the large
programs want to schedule BYU or the AAC, there is nobody else but each other
and "pride" is all we got.
RE: MyPerspective"Then you shouldn't be in the middle of a
discussion between byu and Utah fans."He wasn't. He was in
the middle of a discussion between BYU fans and BYU haters (i.e. trolls). And
there's a difference between "Utah's membership in the Pac-12"
which many BYU fans probably do thing would be nice, and "envy of Utah"
which implies we'd like to be the doormat of the PAC12. I don't know
a single BYU fan who is envious of Utah's position within the PAC12.
@ASUCOUGIE..."Wait, I thought BYU burned the bridge with the AAC.
That's what the Utah fans are saying. You mean the Utah fans are wrong? How
could that be?"I'm a Utah fan, I have never said that? Wait
how could ASUCOUGIE ever be wrong?
"Thanks Mr. Aresco for voicing what most of college football already knows.
BYU is big time."This is an interesting tactic that BYU fans are
starting to use. They're just going to start calling themselves a P5
program without (arguably) earning it on the field. IMO BYU is a solid
mid-major program, but they haven't been able to get their program to jump
to that next level. They were really close in 2006 though.
Frankly I'm glad that BYU is a mid-major team. I would not want to be a
mid-major team playing in a P-5 conference, because then you end up like the
Utes - a mid-major team with annual losing records and no bowl games. As the
great Dirty Harry once said - "A man has got to learn his limitations."
Label BYU however you want (though "mid major" is a basketball term),
we're considered big time. Some P5 schools schedule us to beef up their
schedules while others dodge us because of the wear and tear our physical play
causes. Losing to us, because of our non-P5 status, is potentially harmful for
their season. Non P5 schools love to have play us for their exposure on ESPN
networks and the big payday. We, on the other hand, can schedule
whoever comes a-knocking. The bigger the better; we'll even do a 2-for-1 if
your elite enough. When the college football sands shift next, we may be in a
good spot to get an invite. We'll wait and see. Winning is all we can do
for now, other than ensure good exposure for recruiting purposes.Go
@TwoFurNinety percent of the so called P-5 programs, don't earn
anything on the field.If College Football had "Relegation" as do
the Soccer Leagues of the World, Utah would have already been demoted to a lower
division, while BYU will always be top tier.Well over half of the
teams in "P-5" leagues simply ride others coat-tails and serve as the
Washington Generals of their respective leagues .. That be U.Memo to
all Ute fans...You are NOT...Oregon, USC, Alabama, Ohio State,
Michigan, Texas, Oklahoma, Florida, LSU, Stanford, ASU, Washington or Florida
State...Never will be!No, "U" are the the Vanderbilt,
Northwestern, Duke, Indiana, Rutgers, Maryland and Washington State's, of
your league. Six good years in 50 does not a Legacy make.Nobody in the know, in College Football, will ever think that Utah is a more
prestigious program than is BYU. Their Legacy was indeed "Earned on the
Field" and not by ironing on a new Conference Patch. Just check
and see who gets National Games on the Major Networks and who does not.BYU
has Legacy and a National brand, "U" never will.
@ BlutoUte fans don't walk around thinking we are Oregon,
Alabama, etc. Nor do we pound our collective chest about our self-proclaimed
legacy, unlike yourself. If BYU had "half" the legacy its fans think it
has it would have been invited to the SEC 10 years ago. But there you sit, on
the outside begging to be let in. Your national games come on the weekdays, or
when you play a marquee team like ND or Texas. btw, BYU's game at ND was
their lowest rated game of the season. Temple had higher ratings against ND.
Let that sink in. Where was your national brand on that one?
This is quite funny and honestly not very flattering. You get a compliment from
the AAC commissioner. It is like getting a compliment from the MAC or the
SunBelt. You are 2-5 against the Pac 12 since 2011 when Utah joined. And by
the way, 3 (2 at home) of those losses were against the Utes who you continue to
put down as a bad team. What does that make you? Oh, wait, it is coming to me,
a MID-MAJOR now and forever.
Naval VetTwo 11+ win, Top 25 finishes in their entire history.Yes, Utah fits the bill perfectly as nothing but a two-hit,
had nothing to do with it."Who's fooling who here? Larry
Scott hurriedly invited Colorado to join the conference in the middle of the
night to shut Baylor (a religiously affiliated school) out of the Pac 10 / Big
12 South merger. Anybody who was even a casual observer of the goings on during
that frantic period knows that Larry Scott acted to avoid a repeat of the Texas
legislature forcing the Big 8 to take Baylor when the SWC folded.
@taysom has 0 chance for heisman....."So, contrary to your theory, you can
very much get into the P5 by dominating "a bunch of other weak SOS
midmajors. You just need to throw in 1 or 2 bigger wins, which we have the
opportunity to do."Well at least you're one cougie fan that
can admit the cougies are a mid major that utah dominates.
@Phantomblade......."Utah fans are obsessed with BYU. In fact, the only time
they even talk about their own team is when they're comparing Utah to
BYU.It's what little brothers do."Yet here
you're making another comment about the utes...LOL Pot meet Kettle
David Haymond, I think your comments are off base. Utah was not invited to the
PAC-12 because they were bad. If that were the case, why not invite someone who
loses every game?I am not originally from Utah and was amazed at the
anger between the fanbases. I was used to the Oregon/Oregon State rivalry which
was heated, but not hate-filled. Your comments feel like they come from a BYU
fan and not someone independent of the rivalry.I think the truth is
Utah and BYU have taken their turns being quality programs. Probably both have
risen to fairly equal levels. Utah was deservedly invited to the PAC-12, but I
believe teams like Boise St, BYU, and probably TCU were considered and would
have been deserving also.I believe BYU's independence was a
result of Utah's invite to the PAC-12. I expect Utah to compete in the near
future. Maybe even this season. I think they're much better than their
record. I also expect BYU to continue getting better, although their ceiling may
be lower because of the self-imposed honor code and the number of recruits this
Holy Moly:Hey a fellow Civil War fan! Are you a Beaver or Duck? Nice to
see someone else who's into that rivalry on these broads!
@David Haymond,Perhaps you are correct, I like your analogy with the fat
girl. You probably need to read more of the boards before you make the
delusional comment. I think both fan bases have their bad moments. I think it
is every bit as delusional for BYU fans to think they are superior to Utah
because Utah goes 2-7 in the PAC 12 while BYU goes 8-5 against a bunch of
cupcakes and yet still lose to Utah. Now I will be the first to say that I
think BYU is good enough to belong in a Power 5 conference. I don't think
they are good enough to dominate or finish in the upper level of a Power 5
conference on a regular basis. What you failed to mention is that a second fat
girl (BYU) did not attend the party for whatever reason and then she turns
around and starts calling the first fat girl fat. The banter on these boards
goes both ways just depending on the subject.