Sad fact that too many Americans don't understand the difference between
"immigration" and invasion. This one factor could have a major impact
on the final demise of our republic, but many won't wake up until it's
too late. The educational process may be hastened drastically when one of the
invaders brings a nuclear device or a box of anthrax in here. That will be much
more devastating than invaders flying planes into buildings.
Bring our troops home. Bring our money home. Get rid of involuntary taxes. Etc.,
Etc., Etc.. This is not an impossible task. It's time to live righteously
and live free again. This is the only way to restore prosperity, happiness, and
peace. Most importantly, we must restore righteousness and teach truth
and wisdom! I don't know, maybe it is impossible these days. Maybe we
won't be able to bring this about until the Savior returns. Interesting
though, the lamanites coming north is just fulfillment of prophecy for these
latter-days. I would be nice to them if I were you.
The answer is actually quite simple- Strip this country/government back down to
it's Constitutional roots! That's it! Open the borders. Get rid of the
welfare. No welfare= Everyone works for what they want, equally. Welfare belongs
in the churches and charities, not government. Get back to a free market
economy. Let business owners control their businesses the way they see fit.
Those who work hard and with integrity =prosper. If a boss or business is greedy
or rude or wrong in any way, the word will get out, they will lose business and
the company will fail.
Yesterday this paper carried an article written by AP writer Jennifer Agiesta
that said Americans, according to the AP GFK poll, overwhelmingly, (by a
two-thirds majority) wanted the children returned to their own country.
@I M LDS 2:"Americans are not having children at rates like we used
to, so why not import the next generation? That's a win win!"Because the children coming in (illegally) are not only breaking our
immigration laws, they are the poorest of the poor and will be on government
welfare for years. We can't afford it. We have a $17 trillion national
debt which will climb to $20 trillion by the time Barack Hussein Obama leaves
the White House.@Red Corvette:"If poverty and oppression
are all that children need to be let in illegally, why don't we start
importing impoverished and oppressed children from the rest of the world...
"We are. The latest count indicates that children as well as
adults, are coming from 65 different nations around the world. One can only
guess how many Jihadists from Muslim nations are in the count.@RSL*:"But there will be negative affects to the lazy workers that
will lose their jobs to a new labor force that is willing to work
harder."The lazy worker (your description) will just go on
unemployment, get food stamps, and other government handouts.
The article is based on a poll that is in direct opposition to major media
polls. It also asks a leading question, one that has a grain of truth, then
twists the rest of the statement. We would be better served knowing
that Obama is planning on giving amnesty to the 12 million here illegally, and
allowing them to stay on waivers and work. This has been reported by major media
all over the world. A person has to apply for refugee status from
their own countries, these children are not refugees. It's sad that many
can't see Obama using these children to sell his amnesty.
Of course we should offer more support and humane treatment to our guests from
south of our border. Then, when they've had a meal of two and some rest,
they need to be sent back to from whence they came.We need to stop
the influx unless we get the entire world's poor and needy on our
borders... which is happening as we speak. And the only way to stop the influx
is to send them home, post haste. And deduct the costs from any subsidy to the
RSL. You said that open borders will strengthen the economy. The only economy
it will strengthen is the drug pushers, and human trafficking economy. It will
run down the American economy because so much tax money will be needed to
provide basic services to this huge influx of uneducated, non English speaking,
and unskilled mass of people. And if any American loses their job to the
aforementioned, it will likely be because the immigrant will do the same job for
@loconic No problem, it happens.
@ intervention:You are correct. I did confuse you with another
person. My bad and my apologies. @ deserthiker:My
original post at 9:57 A.M. was intended for you. If you would address and answer
the requests in that comment, it would be much appreciated. It mostly had
to do with if you have any verifiable sources to back up your contentions in
your comment posted at 8:43 this morning.
@loconicI think you have me confused with another poster. The two
organizations I site above are the United States Refugee Admissions Program and
the United Nations High Commission on Refugees, both easily found with a quick
search, hope that helps.
@ intervention:You keep ambiguously referring to reports that say
this and that. Do you have any verifiable sources for these reports?People often hear something and then automatically accept that it must've
come from some report someplace. But that often isn't the case. Many times
rumors get propagated and expanded. They sometimes might include some
half-truths. But that doesn't mean they should be accepted as gospel
truth.The gangs you and some others refer to have actually been in
existence in South America for multiple decades. Yes, there are some deaths and
pressures. But nothing new in their situation has suddenly taken place to create
swarms of refugees. The best way to effect needed change in any area
is for good families to stay and unite for what they believe in. That way they
actually have a voice in what happens takes place in their communities. It does
work. If individuals evacuate each time there are problems in their
countries, most of the people in the world would now be living in the USA and
most of the other countries would be taken over by gangs and other bad groups of
If your a true Libertarian wouldn't you want an open border? Economics
teaches that with an open border it will significantly strengthen the economy.
But there will be negative affects to the lazy workers that will lose their jobs
to a new labor force that is willing to work harder.
There are 3 to 4 Billion (with a "B") people who live in impoverished
and/or violent places with little opportunity. Women in India and Africa face
violence daily. Much of Mexico, Central America and South America as well.
Much of Asia Minor, the Middle East, much of Russia and the former Eastern block
countries are also difficult places to live economically and locals often face
daily violence. If the criteria is that they are from lousy places, then we
should be ready to accept about 3.5 billion people.Great argument.
I would expect that the Deseret News would immediately call for all missionaries
to be sent home from Honduras, El Salvador and Guatemala.If these places
are as violent as some people suggest, we should not be putting American
missionaries in harms way.Of course, we know that this is a false
narrative foisted on us to justify the current situation.The El Paso
Intelligence Center, a federal office charged with gathering data on border
issues, issued a report on July 7th. According to their report, the main driver
of this surge in illegal alien children ISN'T violence. They are coming
because they are being told they will be allowed into the country. After that,
enforcement is so lax that they think they can live here indefinitely and
probably take advantage of Obama's DREAM Act.
@ I M LDS 2:It's definitely not a win-win situation as stated
in your comment. Most of these minors don't speak any English and have very
little schooling. When the feds keep arbitrarily dumping them off to various
communities, it over-burdens their local schools and other programs. Obviously, they don't pay any taxes to offset their schooling costs. It
holds back the learning rate of American kids since their teachers have to
devote so much extra time teaching basic English to the illegals. That is not
"win-win". None of these kids have health insurance. Yet
they are bringing in a host of medical conditions including some with
tuberculosis, pneumonia, lice, etc., and they have no immunization shots that
local school systems require. Needing free health care places an additional
burden on local hospitals and medical establishments. Most qualify
for food stamps and multiple other welfare programs which in turn stretches our
national and state welfare and social programs.It would seem that
many advocates haven't thought through the ramifications. Either that or
they just don't care. Many seem to think, "Not to worry. It's not
in my backyard".
The poll doesn't really say what the article implies.The option was:
Offer shelter and support while beginning a process to determine whether
they should be deported or allowed to stay in the US.And
70% agreed with that statement.It DOES NOT mean that 70% want them
to stay.It DOES NOT mean we want them to be placed around the country with
nothing more than a Notice ot Appear as an incentive to see the judge.It
means that 70% want them sheltered and fed while government figures out what to
do with them.And as other polls suggest, we want the matter settled
ASAP.Stop twisting data to say something the survey does not!
This poll does a heart good. @red corvette We do take in
many many refugees from not only those but other countries as refugees every
year. Google UN refugee committee or US refugee program there is a lot of good
information out there on these programs and why the exisit.
Multiple sources report that the vast majority of these kids are fleeing not
just poverty but gang and drug cartel violence that has consumed their
communities. Local government and police won't protect them because they
have been corrupted by the drug runners. Many face a literal choice between
joining the gangs and death. The girls often face being forced into
prostitution and sexual servitude. One report estimates that 70% of these girls
are sexually assaulted during their journey to the US borders. The money
fueling the drug cartels, and thus fueling the violence comes from the US drug
trade. Ultimately our nation's appetite for illegal drugs is responsible
for the awful situation these kids are in. The misery, and thus the flow of
refugees will continue as long as the money continues to flow from our borders.
So it's our fault. The question is, what are we as a society going to do
about it. No easy answers here- but it's a mess of our own making. I
believe these children deserve to be treated as victims rather than criminals.
They deserve our compassion and our help.
Just a few weeks ago, a poll taken from the minors themselves found about 96% of
them said the primary reason they came to the United States was because they
heard if they came now, they wouldn't be sent back. Only a few mentioned
things that would qualify them as refugees. As has been reported
multiple times before, the biggest problem is South American media and religions
pushing of the idea that Obama is soft on immigration when it comes to minors 16
and under, which was derived from his controversial executive order 2 years ago.
The original intent was that only those who were already in the USA at that time
could qualify. But human smugglers made and still make big money by convincing
South Americans that it was also applicable to children still coming. Had Obama not created that change in immigration laws after his Dream-Act
failed in Congress, none of this would've happened. That's the bottom
line reason why South American parents are flooding the USA with their kids.
Then once those minors eventually become citizens, the intent is to
"legally" bring the rest of their families here.
The attempt to label illegal immigrants as refugees only opens the door for the
UN to intervene on their behalf. Many of the relocation centers have been
renamed refugee centers.Don't treat these people as illegal
immigrants, or as refugees; Treat them as humans, as children, care for them
then reunite them with their families in their home countries as quickly as
possible.The Kansas City Group that own/operates the train, "la
beastie", should be fined for the transport of these people to the southern
border. Operation of the train should be halted immediately. The Mexican
Government should be sanctioned for allowing them passage through Mexico.
Americans are not having children at rates like we used to, so why not import
the next generation? That's a win win!
if this pool is accurate, it just proves that you can fool a lot of people some
of the time.
I personally do not believe this poll or survey. I personally believe that like
the trail boss would say head em up and move em out. This refugee scam is just
another way to game our system. If we send that message we better be prepared
for the onslaught that will follow. As far as Obama and the Dems are concerned
this is a beautiful way to increase their voting base.
“42 percent of Republicans surveyed believe the children should be treated
as illegal immigrants.”Huh . . . Interesting . . . The latest
Rasmussen Presidential Approval poll shows that 42 percent of Americans strongly
disapprove of the way Obama is doing his job.“The latest
figures include . . . 42% who Strongly Disapprove . . . of the way Obama is
performing as president .”What do you want to bet these 42
percent are not the same people?This is most likely the same group.
The 42 percent of Americans who are so hard-hearted as to think that little
children seeking refuge should instead be treated as criminals . . . are most
likely the same 42 percent who are so undiscerning as to “strongly
disapprove” of Obama’s job performance.. . .
Ths article appears to be propaganda,other studies say 77% of Americans want the
illegals returned ASAP and to secure the borders against such mass crossings.
No wonder the Republican/Tea Party is against a law or an appropriation to deal
with the children at the border. The majority of Americans want to see
something done constructive. Therefore, the RTP'ers are against it.
Rather like everything else the RTP supports. Democracy in action!