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Back for an encore: Taysom Hill working to be more of a 'complete quarterback' for BYU

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  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    July 31, 2014 10:52 p.m.

    @ Old But Not Stupid

    You are 100% wrong.

  • Old But Not Stupid Moorpark, CA
    July 31, 2014 5:57 p.m.

    Two For Flinching
    Salt Lake City, UT

    " ... BYU isn't on the home schedules for the second straight year, and for the fourth straight year the season ticket renewal rate it 98%."

    Yeah, there ain't much to do by the great Salt Lake.

  • Old But Not Stupid Moorpark, CA
    July 31, 2014 5:44 p.m.

    cougarsrock

    " ... The rest of the league will be average with the bottom teams being awful as always . Who wants to play the the hardest schedule in the nation if there is no reward for doing so ?"

    Haven't you realized that to be a Ute fan you must be big on moral victories?

  • fan in orem Orem, UT
    July 30, 2014 12:44 p.m.

    Flinch: Sorry, I have tried for a couple of years now.I just couldn't take it the other day.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    July 30, 2014 1:11 a.m.

    @ fan in orem

    I understand that, but the only way things will change is if the posters who continually post the same "cut and paste" comments in every article are completely ignored. Unlikely that will ever happen, so it is what it is.

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    July 29, 2014 2:23 p.m.

    Man, the last time a BYU QB got married between seasons he couldn't do anything on the field, and hasn't since. I hope that doesn't happen to Taysom.

    Max for President has written the truth louder than any in a long time. Thank you for flat out telling like it is.

  • morganh Orem, Utah
    July 29, 2014 12:17 p.m.

    It appears to me that this article is all about Taysom Hill and what he needs to improve on. Utah was not even mentioned in this article. As a Cougar fan I enjoy reading articles about my team and I also respect Utah's comment boards and I rarely post anything about them. I have posted in the past that this new BCS playoff system does not guarantee that a conference champion from any BCS conference is going to be invited. I do think an expanded playoff that includes the top 16 is the only way to go. So as a courtesy to those on here who enjoy reading the articles I will keep my online comments to my team and expect you to do the same with the comments on your board.

  • fan in orem Orem, UT
    July 29, 2014 11:58 a.m.

    Flinch, you don't have to be a BYU fan. As you state, it has been a long off season and we are excited to discuss BYU football and hear constructive comments about BYU football, not to have to sift through 70% of the comments that state how great the schedule/conference is for you and how horrible it is for us. We are aware of the affiliation/independence differences. We don't have to be reminded about the same old stuff on every single article. I am a BYU fan and I don't care if the U has things better. I watch BYU, I read BYU, I listen to BYU, and all the yammering from the U sidelines just gets really old. I am happy to hear from any of you if it is something I haven't already ready three times a day for two years.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    July 29, 2014 11:38 a.m.

    @ BigCougFan

    Wrong. Utah had has sell-out streak going on five straight years now. BYU isn't on the home schedules for the second straight year, and for the fourth straight year the season ticket renewal rate it 98%

    @ fan in orem

    Why do we have to be BYU fans to come here to talk football? It's been a long off-season and we're all excited to get going.

  • Sports Are Great Salt Lake City, UT
    July 29, 2014 11:01 a.m.

    Stringer, Interesting I don't see you telling all ute "fans" to give it a rest when all they talk about is stickers and schedules. Nope, no hypocrisy there.

  • Stringer Bell Henderson, NV
    July 29, 2014 10:46 a.m.

    Deep Blue "BYU doesn't have to justify anything; BYU played a tougher schedule in 2013, than any schedule in Utah history..."

    Are you serious? Just let it rest. The schedule is what it is and no one knows how good any of these teams will be come playing time.

  • mufasta American Fork, UT
    July 29, 2014 10:13 a.m.

    Hill make some substantial progress last year as a quarterback. He seems like a natural born leader and motivator of his teammates. He works hard and has talent. It will be great to see what he can do this year. Go Cougs!

  • fan in orem Orem, UT
    July 29, 2014 9:51 a.m.

    Hey ute fans, how frantic and emotional of you to keep coming on these threads and commenting, when you don't even bother to comment on your own team's articles. How about if you go tell everyone your thoughts on whether Kyle will keep his job after this season, and we will worry about whether Taysom can throw some completions? BTW, Hill is a Heisman 'candidate'. That doesn't mean we think he is the best QB ever. It means he is one of the best this year and could prove to be the best by participating on the field of play and not in the newspapers. You guys cut Chuckie a lot of slack for coming off an injury, but I have never heard the same for Taysom. This year he is not coming off a knee injury and odds are that he will be a better passer this year.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    July 29, 2014 9:36 a.m.

    RE: Max for President

    "Utah fans. There is no dig, no comment, no argument, no position that you can post here that shouts louder than...the fact that you are posting here at all. We aren't playing you. You aren't playing us. It is the ultimate commentary on the insecurity of your position that you would read, let alone COMMENT on...Not a game, but a SCHEDULE of another program unrelated to your own.

    Kids. Rub your bleary eyes, get off your mom's computer and get outside. Please."

    BEST. POST. EVER. Wouldn't it be great if this was the first comment on every BYU discussion thread (beating Chris B. to the punch). Well played Max, well played.

  • PH Riverton, Utah
    July 29, 2014 9:26 a.m.

    I'm sorry, but as a Y fan I have to say Taysom was no better than an average passer last year. He nearly always threw off his back foot which caused balls to either be inaccurate or sail on him. He often ran out the back of the pocket allowing the defense to get a line on him 7 yards back of the line of scrimmage. He is an excellent athlete and if he can improve his passing he can become a great quarterback. He wasn't last year, but I'm certainly hoping he is this year. But just like trying to peg which schedule is the toughest in the pre-season, we don't know yet.
    The PAC 12 is loaded with great quarterbacks this year and should do well, but if they come out of the gate and stumble against national competition, then all of a sudden those schedules don't look so good.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    July 29, 2014 9:06 a.m.

    Y Grad Y Dad,

    I am not hoping that anything bad happens to the Y. If they go 10-2, 12-0, or 2-10 it is no sweat off my back.

    I agree everything matters at the end of the season. An ESPN writer last week stated that the UTES had the toughest schedule in the nation. Ny the end of the season, Stanford, Oregon, UCLA and AZ ST could all have 3 to 4 losses and the schedule will not look as tough. I don't believe that will happen, but you never know.

    However, looking at what UCF, Boise, Texas and Houston have coming back, it doesn't look like this will be a tough schedule. Utah St could be OK if Chuckie is healthy, but coming off a bad ACL injury, it doesn't look promising early on for him.

    I don't think you are in this catergory, but it is annoying how many Y fans are annointing Taysom as a Heisman candidate. Hill is a great runner, but has to improve on his weak passing stats to be considered. That is the whole point of this argument. With the weak schedule, and bad defenses, he should improve, but not to Heisman level.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    July 29, 2014 8:57 a.m.

    Bigcougfan,

    Utah didn't have the Y on their home slate last year, and yet were able to fill the stadium each and every week, including a game vs Colorado when it meant nothing.

    Season ticket sales are at an all time high, even after two 5-7 seasons. Please stop with all this stadium, and attendence smack. It is old and tired.

  • Robyuuki Lewisburg, PA
    July 29, 2014 8:54 a.m.

    T.HIll is a great young man. Talented, committed and hard working. I am sure that BYU will see the fruits of this young man's labor pay off starting more this season. He is the true blue cougar, and what an example.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    July 29, 2014 8:52 a.m.

    Deep Blue,

    You said that the Y played a tougher schedule last year than any year in UTE history. Utah's schedule in 94 was tougher, 96, and last year some had it as the toughest in the nation, and at worst, top 5.

    Your schedule was in the middle of all of college football. SO it wasn't that tough.

  • BigCougFan Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 29, 2014 8:02 a.m.

    Re: Papa Smurf UTE

    You said: "Utah may in fact fail to make a bowl game for a 3rd year in a row. However, each week is almost like a bowl game. Great teams, and even better teams coming into Rice Eccles each week than anyone we would get in a bowl game"

    And yet even with "great teams" coming into RES, you won't be able to fill the stadium without BYU on your schedule. THAT, my friends shows just how obsessed Utah fans are with all thing BYU.

  • AerilusMaximus Berryville, VA
    July 29, 2014 6:52 a.m.

    "Each week is almost like a bowl game."

    Wow..

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    July 28, 2014 11:54 p.m.

    Papa Smurf UTE
    Herriman, UT

    Fair enough. And I think you are totally and completely wrong.

    What matters is what happens by the end of the season. So fans like u can keep trying to pre-smear any positive accomplishments this team makes by denigrating unfairly the schedule,, and we'll keep calling you out.

    If you are right, the Y will go undefeated, still be denied a significant bowl, let alone a playoff spot, and will be the year's biggest enigma.

    If I am right, we might lose three games and be really bummed, but we might still go undefeated, but with credentials that create a tremendous opportunity at the end of the year.

    I will choose to pretend some Ute fans don't exist, so I can feel good about hoping for the best for Coach Whit and his team, while living positively and cheering for the best for the men in Blue.

    You can choose to invest your emotional effort, repeatedly, hoping for the worst, for a team you supposedly no longer care about.

    That is something I just can't understand.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    July 28, 2014 11:19 p.m.

    Hill is a terrific athlete that can throw the ball well enough to have a legit chance at leading the Cougars to an undefeated season with their schedule.

    I expect Hill's confidence (passing) to grow as the season moves along. We all know Hill can run the ball. He is strong and fast. He does move considerably better north and south than east to west though. Jimmer is the opposite (more shifty than fast).

    Anyway, even with Hoffman gone, BYU's offense will be stronger than it has been for many seasons. The offensive line will be better, the offense more efficient in Anae's second season, Taysom Hill will have a break out year, BYU has a very favorable schedule, and Jamaal Williams gives the offense major balance (opens up a lot of opportunities for others/Hill).

    BYU will pound the football and keep their own defense rested on the bench. That is unless BYU tries to run 120 plays (too fast a tempo). But with the offense on cue and running the football a lot, that will keep the chains moving (first downs) and wear out the smaller defenses they will be playing.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    July 28, 2014 11:12 p.m.

    With the schedule BYU has this year, if he stays healthy, Taysom will put up numbers seldom seen, at BYU, since the old days.

    With the schedule BYU has this year, if Taysom stays healthy, an unbeaten season will be a distinct possibility.

  • IDC Boise, ID
    July 28, 2014 9:55 p.m.

    Well said Max for president. Anyways, we will see how tough the schedule is at the end of the season.

    I have a lot of hope for Taysom. Great athlete and great arm. I think BYU had an off year for the o line. The receivers, although skilled, were not super quick. Teams could load the box. If the line is a little better and the receivers are a little quicker, the game will change for Hill. An extra second and guys getting open sooner would make a huge difference. Can't wait to find out how good the line and receivers are.

  • 32843 PROVO, UT
    July 28, 2014 9:30 p.m.

    @daver

    Uhhhh, daver, Hill was named to the Davey O'Brien Award watch list. FYI- "The Davey O'Brien Award, officially the Davey O'Brien National Quarterback Award, named after Davey O'Brien, is presented annually to the collegiate American football player adjudged by the Davey O'Brien Foundation to be the best of all National Collegiate Athletic Association quarterbacks."

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    July 28, 2014 8:33 p.m.

    Macnasty said,"... There is nobody that thinks a losing season is a success."

    I beg to differ, we hear it everyday from many Ute fans stating that playing these world's best SOS schedules and losing beats winning some mediocre games, going to the post season to lesser bowls, and ending the season in or near a top 25 ranking.

    I'm ok with BYU's schedule as I can't change it anyway. There could be better schedules, there could be worse. All I want is a good solid team, a good effort and to always be competitive.

    There will be good years, there could be bad ones but for all general purposes I'm grateful to be Cougar fan rather than a Ute that is faced with possible long droughts of < .500 seasons.

    And they try in vain to pass this off as success? Hardly.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    July 28, 2014 8:26 p.m.

    BYU's regulars season SOS is comparable to Utah's in 08. Take BYU and TCU out of Utah's 08 schedule, and it was a cake walk. I'll still take this years schedule over the new MWC schedule. I'd love to have last years schedule with this years team. But you play the cards you're dealt. And if the stars align, like they did for Utah in 08, this could be the season that forces the P5 to include us.

    Now back to the article. I'm concerned with Anae saying he wants Hill to throw long. Hill will be a better QB this year, but let's play to his strengths. Throw the ball 0 to 20 yards and let the speedy receivers break some big ones. Short passes also play to the O lines strength. Long passes require holding the blocks longer and increase the chances of holding calls.

    Looking forward to a great season.

  • Hey Baby Franklin, IN
    July 28, 2014 7:58 p.m.

    Nice article Jeff...dang type setters typed QB rather than RB... He should work at becoming a better running back

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    July 28, 2014 7:36 p.m.

    @ Sanefan

    Which ranking system system are you using?

    Last season Sagarin's final rankings were:

    Utah - 34
    BYU - 35

    U-State - 41

    p.s. there are 65 P5 teams.

  • Cletus from Coalville Coalville, UT
    July 28, 2014 7:08 p.m.

    Hill is not power 5 like us so he is not good but if he was power 5 like us he would be good.

    Go Utes!

  • spokaloo White Salmon, WA
    July 28, 2014 6:46 p.m.

    Hill needs to improve his consistency for sure. He has had some good games against good competition (Texas, Boise), and some poor games against weak competition (Virginia, Utah). We will see if he can put it all together this year regardless of who he plays.

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    July 28, 2014 6:44 p.m.

    So let's talk football. With the discussion turning to schedule and secondarily conference affiliation, it's time for some sane discussion. There are 62 teams in the college football so called P5 conferences. If you look at the rankings 1-125 from LAST season, you will note that 42 teams from P5 finished in the top 62 and 20 non P5 teams also finished in the top 62, nearly 1/3. Of those non P5 teams in the top 62 were both USU @ 37 and BYU @ 38. It's a fact that the top 30 was dominated by P5 teams and the bottom 30 by non P5 teams. Where did Utah come in, at #75; well outside of the top 62. If the P5 conferences were really interested in a competitive 'league', they could take the top 48 college programs (of which USU and BYU would have qualified last year) and for BYU 90% of the time over the past 30 years), make FOUR 12 team conferences and have an 8 team playoff with 4 (at least one team) from each conference. Now that would be sane!

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    July 28, 2014 6:41 p.m.

    @ Papa Smurf

    "He needs to be closer to 70%."

    That's a fairly unreasonable expectation. BYU has only had one QB with a completion percentage over 70% in its entire history (Young). If Taysom throws anywhere close to 70% he'll be a Heisman candidate and BYU will be undefeated. Their schedule isn't great, but UCF returns 9 or 10 players from a VERY athletic defense. BYU will have some tests this upcoming season.

  • cougarsrock Springville, UT
    July 28, 2014 6:34 p.m.

    Papa smurf and 81 ute ,
    No doubt the Y,s schedule this year is not the greatest . With that being said how in the hec would you even know how competitive Texas,Boise St.,Utah State , Houston, Central Florida or for that matter anyone else on their schedule will be before the season even starts ! Players come and players go each year . If you really want to look at strength of schedule , if I am not mistaken Florida state won a national championship last year playing the 67th toughest schedule in the nation ! With that being said the pac 12 will be no different than any other big conference in college football tat the end of the year. They will have maybe 4 teams or so that are very good . The rest of the league will be average with the bottom teams being awful as always . Who wants to play the the hardest schedule in the nation if there is no reward for doing so ?

  • Max for President Brighton, MA
    July 28, 2014 6:31 p.m.

    Utah fans. There is no dig, no comment, no argument, no position that you can post here that shouts louder than...the fact that you are posting here at all. We aren't playing you. You aren't playing us. It is the ultimate commentary on the insecurity of your position that you would read, let alone COMMENT on...Not a game, but a SCHEDULE of another program unrelated to your own.

    Kids. Rub your bleary eyes, get off your mom's computer and get outside. Please.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    July 28, 2014 6:29 p.m.

    "Utah may in fact fail to make a bowl game for a 3rd year in a row. However, each week is almost like a bowl game."

    Keep telling yourself that; it will make bowl week much less painful.

    ----------------

    81Ute

    BYU doesn't have to justify anything; BYU played a tougher schedule in 2013, than any schedule in Utah history, and next year will be a big improvement over this season.

    Every sensible fan knew there would be some growing pains with Independence and having to schedule 12 games every season, instead of only 3.

    Even so, BYU has been able to schedule many more teams like Texas, Wisconsin, Notre Dame, Michigan, and a whole array of PAC 12 teams, than BYU would have ever been able to schedule as a member of the MWC.

    Instead of continuing to make whiny excuses for becoming a perennial conference bottom dweller, BYU will rise to the occasion, just like they've done in the past.

  • MacNasty Rexburg, ID
    July 28, 2014 6:27 p.m.

    I remember Steve Young starting off passing in a rather terrible fashion. Then he caught fire. Hill will do the same. The Manning brothers recognized his potential and he did finish their camp in the top 8.

  • never break .500 Los Angeles, CA
    July 28, 2014 6:26 p.m.

    these Ute comments are a joke. All this posturing about their losing seasons in the comment section of BYU articles they read so ravenously. BYU plays good competition and will be ranked very highly by all the best minds throughout the year and at year end. Utah thinks that losing to PAC12 teams is like a win. Maybe all those losses at RES seem like bowl game losses, who cares? think of the losses any way you like. Whit will be applying for D-Line coach at the Y shortly. Bronco will say no.

  • MacNasty Rexburg, ID
    July 28, 2014 6:22 p.m.

    @81Ute

    You said, "Do you BYU fans justify 'success' as getting to a bowl game by winning 6+ games against poor quality opponents?"

    Well the first step is to not to have a losing season don't you think? There is nobody that thinks a losing season is a success.

  • 81Ute Central, UT
    July 28, 2014 5:30 p.m.

    @No playoff for U

    As a Utah fan I am not trying to justify a thing, anything, and nothing. BYU has a tough row every year trying to get good teams scheduled in the same season. They must swallow their pride with 2:1 and 1:nones and huge distances to fill their schedule.

    This is back at you; Do you BYU fans justify 'success' as getting to a bowl game by winning 6+ games against poor quality opponents?

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    July 28, 2014 5:28 p.m.

    Y Grad and Dad

    I do believe when this season is over, this will be one of, if not the worst Y schedule in the last 40 years.

    No Playoff

    This has nothing to do with Utah, and the fact they cannot make a bowl game. It has to do with schedule, and the Y has a very weak one. Utah may in fact fail to make a bowl game for a 3rd year in a row. However, each week is almost like a bowl game. Great teams, and even better teams coming into Rice Eccles each week than anyone we would get in a bowl game, unless we made the playoffs, and that is not happening.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    July 28, 2014 5:25 p.m.

    Taysom4Heisman

    I agree with some of what you said, however, UCF lost their QB, and I don't believe they will be any competition at all. Boise St has a new coach, and they are coming off thier worst season in a decade, and they aren't getting better. Chuckie will be coming off a bad knee injury, in a game last year against you guys. Utah St may compete for a MWC title, only because everyone else in that league is crap this year. That is only if Chuckie is close to a 100%. If he isn't, they will struggle to win 8 games with a worse schedule than you. Texas has lost its HOF coach, and now 10 of its players. Houston, well.... They are Houston, and it is in Provo. That game you should win going away with Hill having 400 yards passing and 100 yards running by the 3rd quarter.

    The only thing that would worry me if I was a Y fan is playing Texas in Texas on Saturday, and traveling back home from what could be an emotional game to play Houston that following Thurs.

  • No playoff for U Salt Lake City, UT
    July 28, 2014 4:56 p.m.

    Y Grad / Y Dad

    Utah fans are desperately trying to justify another losing, bowl less season on the hill, by pretending that I everything that happens in 2014 is entirely dependent on schedule.

  • Taysom4Heisman Heber City, UT
    July 28, 2014 4:47 p.m.

    @Papa SmurfUTE

    I'm not trying to say that we play the world's hardest schedule, but it is still decent. It is better than most non-P5 schedules. We play 3 P5 teams and 4 of the top non-P5's. The rest of the games, I will admit, are kind of a joke. But there is not just one good team on the schedule.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    July 28, 2014 4:31 p.m.

    Can I find a way to say this graciously... Is anyone else getting a little weary of this almost desperate effort to smear the cougar schedule as the "worst schedule in the universe, e v e r."

    Savannah State is what it is, and nothing is going to change that, but Texas is like handling a poisonous snake, and there is nothing wrong at all with Boise, Utah State, Houston and UCF.

    I really think it is time for some people to start worrying more that their own opponents will be worried about SOS. No matter how you slice it, winning, even against a lighter schedule, trumps losing against the toughest schedule in the world.

  • daver Provo, 00
    July 28, 2014 4:30 p.m.

    Based on last season Taysom has only show he belongs on a hypothetical "Doak Walker Honorable Mention Award" watch list. Any kind of QB watch list? Not yet. QB implies THROWING. Dozens of starters from the QB position threw as well as he did last year.

    He has another season to prove he can THROW like a BYU QB and be mentioned in the same breath as even recent "semi-greats" like Hall or Beck.

  • schmed Mission Viejo, CA
    July 28, 2014 4:25 p.m.

    Anae wants the "deep ball" How about getting the short and middle ball going well first. We don't have that working yet, do we? I wonder how many corner end zone passes will be launched? You know, the ones that almost never work but, keep being thrown?

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    July 28, 2014 3:48 p.m.

    I think it is a given that Hill will be a more complete QB than last year. My only concern is depth at QB should he go down.

    I look for a pass-first strategy for Hill where we won't be calling his own number very often. If you remember Beck and Hall, they were never injured because the scheme protected them. Marcus Mariota was awesome with the ball, but he passed first and ran out of bounds a lot.

    Hill has to do the same.

  • Bountiful Guy Bountiful, UT
    July 28, 2014 3:36 p.m.

    I'll wait to see the on field performance. I'm hopeful, but I've been let down too many times by Coach Anae both times he coached the Cougars. I truly want to see that he is improving his Offensive Coordinator skills and I know that if he does, the Cougars can be very good and competitive with the very best in football. But I also know how anemic his offenses can be, especially as the season wears on. So I'm optimistic, but still with low enough expectations that I small things can please me. Bring it to the field Cougars. I can jump around our TV room with the best of fans. Go Cougs!

  • Pipes Salt Lake City, UT
    July 28, 2014 3:22 p.m.

    During the offseason, Hill has been named to watch lists for the Heisman Trophy, the Maxwell Award, College Football Performance Awards Quarterback Trophy, the Davey O’Brien Award and the Walter Camp Football Foundation “players to watch” for its 2014 Player of the Year award.

    That sums things up quite nicely! Looking forward to the season!

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    July 28, 2014 3:14 p.m.

    If Hill doesn't complete at least 60% of his passes with how bad this schedule is, it will not be an improvement on last years 54% completion percentage. He needs to be closer to 70%.

    Hill is a great runner. No doubt about that. With teams having to leave a man in the box to spy him, and the fact that they only play 1 decent team this year (Texas already has lost 10 players to suspenion, or kicked off the team) Hill should easily have a great passing year.

    We have seen what he can do against the weak teams of college football. This year will not be the true test. It will be next season when they play a few teams that are much better than anything they have on this years schedule.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    July 28, 2014 3:09 p.m.

    With an improved offensive line giving him more time to set up, I'm looking forward to Taysom completing 65% of his passes and regularly having a 150+ passer rating throughout the season.

  • Uncle Rico Sandy, UT
    July 28, 2014 3:08 p.m.

    Taysom looked terrible throwing the ball in the first few games, anybody disagree?

    That being said, he looked great soon after. I hope he gets the pass game going game 1!
    Go Cougs!!