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Published: Monday, July 28 2014 4:55 p.m. MDT

Updated: Monday, July 28 2014 4:55 p.m. MDT

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Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@ekute

Nope, macbride was not an "outsider" having spent many years here as an assistant. Then of course there is the inconvient fact that mcbride WAS NOT a top coach highly sought by other programs nor did he bring all that much success to utah. Sure he got them to be better than the abysmal program they had been but he never did anything all that great for them, why do you think he got canned?

Instead of making a "frantic and emotional" reply to my post perhaps you ought to go back, read it again, spend some time actually comprehending what it say's, and then get back to me.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@tomahawk red

Maybe a guy stay's if he has big time success at utah but I doubt anyone ever will see success to that level, at least prolonged success to that level, they may have an occasional great season or two. But all a great season like that would do is put that coach on the radar of the true power programs out there and any given year there are at least a couple of them looking for a coach.

If you were the coach at utah, put aside your fandom and pretend you are some coach from back east or down south, and a program like Texas, Oregon, ND, Ohio St., USC, Florida (we know about that one already) or just about any SEC school comes calling would you stay at utah?

Neither would anyone else, unless it is a local guy like whittingham that has lived here his entire life, has the predominant religious ties, family all over the state, etc.

That is why I doubt chris hill will fire whittingham unless he has a truly abysmal season. The last two seasons were subpar but they weren't abysmal by any means.

ekute
Layton, UT

still_thinking,
There is no credence to your comment. For the most part Urban has achieved glory with the previous coaches recruits. His stay at Florida resulted with 31 of his players getting arrested.

mindgames
Aurora, CO

Scheduling is the problem! The only home games in conference are WSU, USC, Oregon, and Arizona? There's a good chance the Utes will be favored in only one of those games. Why should Coach Whit be responsible for that poor scheduling. Sure they won't be a bowl team this year but next year they will have a better schedule and then watch what happens. If another losing season in 2015 then we know another leader is needed but let's give the guy a pass for 2014, the schedule is just too hard.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@ekute

But meyer wins, regardless of whose recruits he has. mcbride did not win, at least not consistently and not at a high level ever. kyle has won more than mcbride did but there aren't any programs kicking down the door to get to him either.

kyle is a perfect fit for utah. Local guy that understands the local culture and wants to stay long term, good enough coach to have the occasional decent season even in the pac12, behaves himself away from work and doesn't do anything embarrassing or unseemly, beats BYU pretty consistently, really he is about as good as you guys can get for a long term coach.

I do think you could get a better coach though, I just don't think you could keep him for long, like meyer, so I think the consistently decent teams that kyle will supply would then be replaced by the once a decade really good team and then a bunch of abysmal years because that coach goes somewhere better and utah spends a decade sifting through guys with "potential" until they find that really good one.

still_thinking
Draper, UT

@ekute
"For the most part Urban has achieved glory with the previous coaches recruits"
You supported the point, Urban achieved glory, McBride didn't. It's not a question of who can recruit, it's a question of who can win.

"His stay at Florida resulted with 31 of his players getting arrested."
One could say "His players didn't get arrested it was the previous coaches recruits", but in reality I agree with the point. I believe Meyer puts winning ahead of developing young men, which includes discipline. Unfortunately, I believe a lot of Ute fans (and college football fans in general) would be fine with 31 arrests if the Utes (or their team) won the National Championship. Not all, but a lot. If you win, almost everything is forgiven.

CougOrUte..Naah
Nibley, UT

I admire Kyle Whittingham as a good coach. And in his personal life he is probably an outstanding man. This does not alter the fact is the U of U has done nothing in football since Gary Andersen left for Logan. I believe that Coach Whit needs to bring in some better assistants. Without better help, Coach Whittingham's team will struggle to get to 4 - 8 next year. With out better coaching the Utes will continue to be a "Mid-Major" all dressed up as a member of a P5 conference. The PAC10+2 schedule doesn't allow for mediocre coaching, either by their head coaches or the assistants. If the Utes get to 6-6 this year without better assistants, it will be a testament to how good Coach Whittingham really is. 4-8 looks more likely, but we will see.

Tomahawk Red
San Francisco, CA

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

If you were the coach at utah, pretend a program like Texas, Oregon, ND, Ohio St., USC, Florida (we know about that one already) or just about any SEC school comes calling would you stay at utah?

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In Mullen's case, yes. After finding success at P5 Utah, why would he be tempted to spoil that by taking on yet another SEC program when he didn't do that well at Miss State? He'd surely know how difficult it is to win there, and don't think that wouldn't weigh heavily on his mind.

Fact is, success at Utah would be success at the P5 level. And unless only the BEST jobs become available to him (a la Alabama, Notre Dame, Ohio State) he probably wouldn't go anywhere.

I'll agree with you that someone may want to go from Utah to a tier 1 program, but I don't think many would leave success in the Pac 12 behind to take over a lateral-move-level program like Iowa or Clemson. And the tier 1 programs do not open up coaching vacancies very often.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

@tomahawk red

I really don't think Gary Anderson would leave wisconsin to take the utah job if it came up and he is a utah guy. I can't for a second imagine someone from outside utah would choose to stay at utah if the clemson job came open. iowa is a better gig than utah any day of the week, far better legacy.

And yes just about any SEC job would take a coach from utah not named whittingham. That is my point, whittingham is the pinnacle of a long term coach for utah, he's willing to stay when better things come along, he's proved it. Now I'm not saying utah should keep him at any cost, if he continues to lose they need to replace him, I'm just saying he will, and should, get more latitude than an outside coach. Maybe that just means one extra year that someone from outside wouldn't get, but he should get that because of the situation at utah and because he is willing to deal with that situation long term.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Duckhunter

I agree, on all accounts.

I really hope K-Whitt can get Utah back into a bowl game. He understands what it takes to recruit competitively in Utah, and I think that is a really underrated aspect that many Ute fans are forgetting. Not only that but, as you said, he has been extremely loyal to Utah. Loyalty should be a two-way street.

esodije
ALBUQUERQUE, NM

Membership in the PAC is indeed a two-edged sword. Utah can rightly be proud of its inclusion, but with it comes great pressure on coaches to win--at the same time it becomes significantly more difficult to do so. PAC coaches who don't win consistently are replaced pretty regularly. Coach Whit obviously has a pretty large reserve of good will, so I wouldn't expect a losing record this year to cost him his job at the U, but 2-3 ~more~ losing seasons probably will. I'm not saying BYU wouldn't be in the same boat if it were in the PAC--but, as U fans are so fond of reminding us, it isn't. What ~is~ clear, however, is that mere inclusion doesn't automatically result in great separation; there still isn't much daylight between Utah and BYU on the football field, and, despite last year's game in SLC, BYU will be producing better basketball teams for some time yet.

EdwardB
Carefree, AZ

Coaches can help win you the game..But, talent on the field reigns supreme as the cause of wins and losses.

Blue Cougar
Oak Harbor, WA

Kyle is great! The Utes have a TOUGH schedule and I wish them the very best. I'll catch a couple of your games for sure.

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