Kyle is great! The Utes have a TOUGH schedule and I wish them the very best.
I'll catch a couple of your games for sure.
Coaches can help win you the game..But, talent on the field reigns supreme as
the cause of wins and losses.
Membership in the PAC is indeed a two-edged sword. Utah can rightly be proud of
its inclusion, but with it comes great pressure on coaches to win--at the same
time it becomes significantly more difficult to do so. PAC coaches who
don't win consistently are replaced pretty regularly. Coach Whit obviously
has a pretty large reserve of good will, so I wouldn't expect a losing
record this year to cost him his job at the U, but 2-3 ~more~ losing seasons
probably will. I'm not saying BYU wouldn't be in the same boat if it
were in the PAC--but, as U fans are so fond of reminding us, it isn't.
What ~is~ clear, however, is that mere inclusion doesn't automatically
result in great separation; there still isn't much daylight between Utah
and BYU on the football field, and, despite last year's game in SLC, BYU
will be producing better basketball teams for some time yet.
@ DuckhunterI agree, on all accounts. I really hope
K-Whitt can get Utah back into a bowl game. He understands what it takes to
recruit competitively in Utah, and I think that is a really underrated aspect
that many Ute fans are forgetting. Not only that but, as you said, he has been
extremely loyal to Utah. Loyalty should be a two-way street.
@tomahawk redI really don't think Gary Anderson would leave
wisconsin to take the utah job if it came up and he is a utah guy. I can't
for a second imagine someone from outside utah would choose to stay at utah if
the clemson job came open. iowa is a better gig than utah any day of the week,
far better legacy. And yes just about any SEC job would take a coach
from utah not named whittingham. That is my point, whittingham is the pinnacle
of a long term coach for utah, he's willing to stay when better things come
along, he's proved it. Now I'm not saying utah should keep him at any
cost, if he continues to lose they need to replace him, I'm just saying he
will, and should, get more latitude than an outside coach. Maybe that just means
one extra year that someone from outside wouldn't get, but he should get
that because of the situation at utah and because he is willing to deal with
that situation long term.
DuckhunterHighland, UTIf you were the coach at utah, pretend a
program like Texas, Oregon, ND, Ohio St., USC, Florida (we know about that one
already) or just about any SEC school comes calling would you stay at utah?----------In Mullen's case, yes. After finding success
at P5 Utah, why would he be tempted to spoil that by taking on yet another SEC
program when he didn't do that well at Miss State? He'd surely know
how difficult it is to win there, and don't think that wouldn't weigh
heavily on his mind.Fact is, success at Utah would be success at the
P5 level. And unless only the BEST jobs become available to him (a la Alabama,
Notre Dame, Ohio State) he probably wouldn't go anywhere.I'll agree with you that someone may want to go from Utah to a tier 1
program, but I don't think many would leave success in the Pac 12 behind to
take over a lateral-move-level program like Iowa or Clemson. And the tier 1
programs do not open up coaching vacancies very often.
I admire Kyle Whittingham as a good coach. And in his personal life he is
probably an outstanding man. This does not alter the fact is the U of U has done
nothing in football since Gary Andersen left for Logan. I believe that Coach
Whit needs to bring in some better assistants. Without better help, Coach
Whittingham's team will struggle to get to 4 - 8 next year. With out better
coaching the Utes will continue to be a "Mid-Major" all dressed up as a
member of a P5 conference. The PAC10+2 schedule doesn't allow for mediocre
coaching, either by their head coaches or the assistants. If the Utes get to 6-6
this year without better assistants, it will be a testament to how good Coach
Whittingham really is. 4-8 looks more likely, but we will see.
@ekute"For the most part Urban has achieved glory with the previous
coaches recruits"You supported the point, Urban achieved glory,
McBride didn't. It's not a question of who can recruit, it's a
question of who can win."His stay at Florida resulted with 31 of
his players getting arrested."One could say "His players
didn't get arrested it was the previous coaches recruits", but in
reality I agree with the point. I believe Meyer puts winning ahead of developing
young men, which includes discipline. Unfortunately, I believe a lot of Ute fans
(and college football fans in general) would be fine with 31 arrests if the Utes
(or their team) won the National Championship. Not all, but a lot. If you win,
almost everything is forgiven.
@ekuteBut meyer wins, regardless of whose recruits he has. mcbride
did not win, at least not consistently and not at a high level ever. kyle has
won more than mcbride did but there aren't any programs kicking down the
door to get to him either. kyle is a perfect fit for utah. Local guy
that understands the local culture and wants to stay long term, good enough
coach to have the occasional decent season even in the pac12, behaves himself
away from work and doesn't do anything embarrassing or unseemly, beats BYU
pretty consistently, really he is about as good as you guys can get for a long
term coach. I do think you could get a better coach though, I just
don't think you could keep him for long, like meyer, so I think the
consistently decent teams that kyle will supply would then be replaced by the
once a decade really good team and then a bunch of abysmal years because that
coach goes somewhere better and utah spends a decade sifting through guys with
"potential" until they find that really good one.
Scheduling is the problem! The only home games in conference are WSU, USC,
Oregon, and Arizona? There's a good chance the Utes will be favored in
only one of those games. Why should Coach Whit be responsible for that poor
scheduling. Sure they won't be a bowl team this year but next year they
will have a better schedule and then watch what happens. If another losing
season in 2015 then we know another leader is needed but let's give the guy
a pass for 2014, the schedule is just too hard.
still_thinking,There is no credence to your comment. For the most part
Urban has achieved glory with the previous coaches recruits. His stay at Florida
resulted with 31 of his players getting arrested.
@tomahawk redMaybe a guy stay's if he has big time success at
utah but I doubt anyone ever will see success to that level, at least prolonged
success to that level, they may have an occasional great season or two. But all
a great season like that would do is put that coach on the radar of the true
power programs out there and any given year there are at least a couple of them
looking for a coach. If you were the coach at utah, put aside your
fandom and pretend you are some coach from back east or down south, and a
program like Texas, Oregon, ND, Ohio St., USC, Florida (we know about that one
already) or just about any SEC school comes calling would you stay at utah?Neither would anyone else, unless it is a local guy like whittingham
that has lived here his entire life, has the predominant religious ties, family
all over the state, etc.That is why I doubt chris hill will fire
whittingham unless he has a truly abysmal season. The last two seasons were
subpar but they weren't abysmal by any means.
@ekuteNope, macbride was not an "outsider" having spent many
years here as an assistant. Then of course there is the inconvient fact that
mcbride WAS NOT a top coach highly sought by other programs nor did he bring all
that much success to utah. Sure he got them to be better than the abysmal
program they had been but he never did anything all that great for them, why do
you think he got canned?Instead of making a "frantic and
emotional" reply to my post perhaps you ought to go back, read it again,
spend some time actually comprehending what it say's, and then get back to
I think Utah sports fans drink a little too much of their own Kool-Aid. Early
2000's Utah is bumping along with McBride. Urban Meyer comes along and
shoots Utah through the roof (obviously a great coach makes a difference). Meyer
leaves and Whit takes over. Whit does a good job keeping Urban's system in
place but he is not the coach Meyer was/is. The Ute's take that success and
move to the PAC 12. Whit is not good enough to make the jump. Utah is still a
great MWC team, but it's a poor PAC 12 team. Maybe Whit learns from his
mistakes and eventually they do get better in the PAC 12, but the evidence to
date suggests he is not good enough to make the jump. I know a lot of you will
say give him time, it takes time, onward and upward, blah, blah, blah.......but
I have no doubt that if Urban Meyer was still the coach they are competitive in
the PAC 12. Whit didn't change Utah, Meyer did.
Yawn, move along little children squabbling back and forth. As a cougar fan, I
recognize what an excellent coach Whittingham is. One of his biggest strengths
is the loyalty he engenders from those who work with him. He has an exceptional
group of assistant coaches who buy in to his philosophy. Kyle is great with the
media. He's straightforward and honest with how he feels. Because of his
fierce competitiveness, he does have rare lapses of immaturity(see on sides kick
piling on against Wyoming in the 4th quarter and Joe Glen's one fingered
wave back.) He's smart and recognizes the value of the polynesian pipeline.
He is the best in state recruiter anyone could hope for. For BYU's sake, I
hope Whiittingham does get fired because some of those top in-state recruits
would make their way south in my opinion. Do Utah fans really want to get rid
of him if he has another mediocre season? Not wise.
Carson,You really believe after a 1-7 start that whit wont be fired?
even a 2-6 start sends him packing. To think otherwise is just crazy. You can
keep those beer goggles on but it doesn't change the fact that a 3rd year
of no bowl game is the reason for whit being let go. The Pac ten deserves a
better team than Utah is providing and Scott will make the call for whits head
to dr Hill. Hill would not buck the big guy.
DuckhunterHighland, UTI only partly agree with you.Yes, Utah is not a destination job. But it could be for some, which is much
more likely now that Utah is in the Pac 12.I don't think
Arizona or ASU are destination jobs either, but I could see Rodriguez and Graham
staying long term if they keep winning. If Utah fired Whittingham and brought
in, say, Dan Mullen from Miss State... and Mullen found success here, I could
see him staying long term.Why because finding success in a P5 is not
always easy or even available to some coaches. If some found it at Utah, they
would stay. If Utah was still in the MWC, I would agree with your assessment 100
FatMan86West Jordan, UTI think you are spot on, again.
Max-was-rightspringville, UT"Whitt wont see the end of the
season as the head coach. Too bad, he is a really good guy. Good luck getting
the DC job in Provo next January Kyle".You know Sammy,posting
this kind of stuff only shows how jealous you are of the Utes. The Pac 12
invite, and the possibilities it brings Utah, has really caused much angst in
Cougar Nation. Especially when you realize that a P-5 invite won't be
coming for your team, leaving you Mid Majors probably forever.
Duckhunter,Ronnie Mac was an outsider, coached at Utah, accepted a
position at one of the most prestigious programs in the country, returned to
Utah and was not ready to leave when he was terminated...and the PAC was not yet
even sniffing around at Ute program.If Whitt was to leave it's
likely that the majority of byu's coaching staff(including bronco) would be
the first to apply for his position. ie: The Whittinghams.
rbb hit the nail on the head with this statement"It would be
very hard to find a better coach then Whit who will stay after one or two good
seasons"and that is why whittingham is going to have some
leeway, and should have some. utah is a stepping stone job for anyone that
aspires to being a top coach at a great program. utah is not, nor will it ever
be, an outside coaches ultimate goal. But for whittingham it is different
because he is a local guy that wants to be in this state. I think chris hill
understands this and will probably give whittingham a little bit more leeway
than he would a coach that came from elsewhere. One of the more
important things for a college athletic director to understand is what your
school is, what can your school be, etc. and then to make sure your hires are
inline with those things. whittingham is the pinnacle for a long term coach for
utah, they will never get a better coach that would be willing to stay at utah
for his entiore career, or even long term.
PH, well said. Whit is a great coach. I am a Y fan as well but love Ute football
when the arent playing my cougs. Whit has done some amazing things as coach at
the U. I hope he has a long and successful tenure. He is a good representative
of the state and of his athletes. Good Luck coach Whit and Utah.
I'm a Y fan who has tons of respect for what Whit has done and is doing. I
know last year the Utes were 5-7, but with any breaks at all that would have
been reversed. They were very competitive. So what if they didn't play in
some no name bowl game. They had a very good football schedule and played some
tough games. Whit is one of the reasons Utah football is relevant. His defenses
in the 90's pushed Utah to a much higher level. Utah is not going to be
Alabama, but they are always going to be competitive and have success under
Whitt wont see the end of the season as the head coach. Too bad, he is a really
good guy. Good luck getting the DC job in Provo next January Kyle.
ESPN came out with strength of schedule rankings and listed UTAH as having the
toughest schedule in the country. Unless you are Alabama that most likely means
several losses. SO for Utah to win 6 or 7 games I would say would be a success.
Famous last words:"This is our year.""this
is Kyle's last year."lol. Go Utes. Go Kyle. Go Travis.
Whit is a class act and should be at Utah as long as he wants to be. We are no
longer playing 2-3 good teams teams a year with a bunch of filler. We are
playing 7-8 good teams a year. The U was competitive last year and was about 10
points away from a winning season. We just need to turn the corner. It would
be very hard to find a better coach then Whit who will stay after one or two
I love Whittingham, but another 5 win (or less) season and I really think
it's time to look else where. I hope that doesn't happen, but the last
two years have been dissapointing to say the least. Tough schedule or not,
it's time to start winning some conference road games; and go bowlingGo Utes!
whit will be hunting for an assistant coach position in December
Patriot you do not have any proof that Whit's job is on the line. Stop
feeding the press with this lie. Whittingham is Utah football, and it takes time
to build a team to compete in the big leagues. There is not anything to measure
his success on, since Utah is the first program to join a BCS conference.
It's unchartered waters, Utah was a good team last year that had some tough
breaks but certainly had chances to have a winning record and receive a bowl
bid. The year before was a disaster with Jordan Wynn. One season doesn't
make or break a coach, just who do you think is out there that would be better?
Sure, we can name all the big names, but none of them are coming to Salt Lake
City. We need to be grateful and thankful we have Kyle, he will get the job
done. He does not for one minute deserve this disrespect.
Coach is a class act and I'm hoping he stays until he decides to retire
many, many years from now.When he's there another six years
I'll get a new moniker, "8 in a row!' That's the only game
they can get up for.Go Utes!
Whittingham's coaching isn't the problem. The problem is that the PAC
membership hasn't resulted in the Utes hauling in a roster full of 4 and 5
star recruits. 4 and 5 star talent still has to be sold on SLC and the Univ of
Utah, not just the PAC 12. If the talent gap was as large as some want you to
believe it is, Utah should be blowing BYU and Utah St out every year. Why
isn't that happening? Because there isn't that big of a talent gap.
All 3 Utah programs are far below Big 5 standards right now. The only
difference is the amount of the TV money paycheck.
Kyle is under alot of pressure this year to win and he knows it. Finishing again
with a losing Pac 12 record will most likely be the end of the Whitingham era.
Hard to smile when you are under the micro-scope.