Published: Sunday, July 27 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT
I sympathize with the writer, and I agree that a reckoning is coming with growth
colliding with biological reality. But as the Keynesians demonstrated to
economics, a capitalist economy must grow continually to stay out of trouble.Savings accumulated do not induce investment. So unless there is
constant new investment (not just equipment replacement) the system can come
into equilibrium at less than full employment. So it has to be full bore
peddle-to-the-metal.At some point though we need to learn some new
tricks. China, the new #1 economy, which has been through multiple
transformations, and is a major polluter, may show the way.
Do people even understand that this planet can survive without us.Humans
will be wiped off the face of the earth and life will begin anew without us.Also, if humans are the most intellectually advance form of life on earth,
then why are we destroying our home? You don't find those other
"sub-human" animals doing the damage.
Humans have no control over the climate, Way to control us, and the earth was
built for man we were not built for the earth.
Use it up, wear it out, make it do or do without=== Having travel this vast world, I have found countries who have been
around for thousands of years live by this rule.It was not uncommon
to find buildings 600 years old still being used daily, profitable, and very
much sought for.Utah is a 30 year disposable, moving, train wreck.
Out here, we're told there is always infinitely more to consume.
We definitely need Democrats to take the reins in Utah. We could then become a
progressive and sustainable state, say, like Michigan.
hivg, I am positive your maker does not approve of our abuse. I wonder if He
approves of the high man caused levels of methane in the Uinta Basin or in the
Denver area. I personally believe He doesn't approve of our ignoring the
opportunity to improve our living conditions throughout the world. I believe
there are few sins greater than not trying.
Joe,Indeed, as you said, this State is governed by a by a
Legislature and Governor. Regardless of what you think about them (or their
motives), they all serve at the pleasure of the voters who put them in their
offices.Just because you do not like how they function does not mean
YOU get to choose how they govern over the will of the majority VOTERS who put
Everyone should read Richard Heinberg's "The End of Growth." Very
Not sure what the author was really trying to say here as there was a lot of
assumptions on unrelated items. If the author really wants to convey a message
then that message must be identified and an argument made for their point of
view.As best as I can tell, this is just several random thoughts bunched
together with no coherent argument backing it up.
Perhaps not, VST. But how about if we continue trying to educate the voters who
put them there?The biggest problem we face in doing that is finding
some way to get them to unplug their ears and begin listening to something
besides big money, right wing propaganda.
@Embarrased Utahn The earth is the only planet or moon in our solar system that
can sustain life. Other planets and moons of course survive but they cannot
sustain life. And humans are not destroying the planet. Our survival and
comfort is dependent on Agriculture, drilling, mining, and use of electricity
and cars that is what our Creator gave us to use wisely. You obviously use
electricity, I am sure drive and live in climate controlled houses. No other
apeceies uses rational thought or learns new things and passes them on. They
eat the food that is there and rely on mostly instinct and some learned behavior
by experience. Can't compare what other creatures do. Human survival and
feeding the world is dependent on what you criticize.
The author said:“We are now facing severe environmental,
population...”Actually, we’re not.The
Warmers and their “scientists” have not only been dead wrong in
their predictions concerning global warming, but they’ve also
misrepresented the data, and outright lied to push this myth. The Warmers are
the true “deniers.”Once again the Left is pushing
population control. Any wonder these ghouls love abortions.Just
like their bogus predictions concerning AGW, the Left also got it woefully wrong
in their predictions concerning over-population. Consider the
"predictions" of liberal icon, and Stanford University biology
professor, Paul Ehrlich, from his 1968 book, “The Population
Bomb”:* In the 1970s, hundreds of millions of people would
starve to death.* In the 1980s, food riots would cause the president
to dissolve the US Congress, and 65 million Americans would die of starvation
and disease. * By 1999 the US population would be reduced to only 22
million, and India and Great Britain would cease to exist.The left
do not deal in science or facts, they deal in fear mongering. These two issues
are simply the means by which they can control and suppress the people. These
people are nothing but oppressive statists.
high school fan said.... "Not sure what the author was really trying to say
here as there was a lot of assumptions on unrelated items."Allow
me to help you understand the author who, as I am, is a highly educated
University professor trying to pound the reality of global (including Utah) doom
into heads full of mush.Vastness is no more. We are cramming too
many people into the world (and Utah). Global warming in conjunction with
overpopulation has caused unprecedented drought, is destroying our environment
and has robbed us of our vastness. Governor Herbert and his "hard wired"
ilk have caused this catastrophe. Even though Utah currently has one of the most
prosperous economies in the country, unless we elect new leaders, who care more
deeply about the climate (e.g. President Obama), we will face cataclysmic loss
of all the things we cherish.I hope this helps.
If we truly have all these problems,then shouldn't we be using
science to solve them,and not use the "excuse of science"
just to control others and make few on the left wealthyAnd
let's not kid ourselves, climate science is just an excuse science, used by
the left for control over others also for gaining of wealth of the few.
Why do we stilll isten to the alarmists who have been wrong so many times?
I'm sorry Eli Tesecular PHD, but I still don't get it. You and your
buddy are highly educated college teachers and I am just a fairly good educated
college degreed athlete so I don't understand how the population is teaming
up with your version of global warming to eliminate our vastness. And
apparently Governor Herbert has enough power to push over the limit in his six
years of being governor but if we elected somebody else like you this would all
go away.But then I maybe have a head full of mush so that probably makes
me incapable of a full understanding if your logic but I know the earth has not
warmed in a very long time, like close to fifty years or so, and that people are
having less babies today than anytime in recent history and for everywhere there
is drought there is somewhere else getting a lot of rain since we don't
lose water off of this planet.I'm sorry but vastness still has me
buffaloed by exactly what you mean.
@one old man,In your opinion, and you are certainly entitled to it.
I am also entitled to mine.
You would think the vicious ideas spawned in the first part of the twentieth
century would go away. Margaret Sanger and here followers felt the poor and
undesirables should be placed in interment camps, they should be sterilized to
prevent the poor and undesirables from breading. Cared for by the elite
progressives. This was the concept of the Third Reich, they just wanted to
control the population. This was Wilson force sterilization policies. This was
the plan of planned parenthood, genocide of a race. Eli Tesecular
PhD “as I am, is a highly educated University professor trying to pound
the reality of global (including Utah) doom into heads full of mush” like
a true progressive elitist, knows that he has to eradicate the poor and racially
inferior from the earth to provide the garden of Eden for the Elites. This guy is only moments away from reestablishing the final solution to save
the air, the water, the planet. Eugenics is alive and well here in Salt Lake
City. Got to eliminate all that mush headedness.
@high school fan,I am pretty certain your “head is not full of
mush” (nor is mine since I also have a college degree). But as for
Professor Tesecular, it appears from his arrogance in his response to you, that
just maybe the good Professor could be slightly educated beyond his
intelligence.He really did not answer your question. It was a
“put-down,” pure and simple.
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