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Published: Saturday, July 26 2014 6:55 p.m. MDT

Updated: Sunday, July 27 2014 10:41 p.m. MDT

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deductive reasoning
Arlington, VA

Two For Flinching

"Still, it would not be surprising to see a 2-loss conf. champion in the top 4, especially in the computer polls."

I haven't seen anything about the selection committee using computer polls to determine the Top 4 teams.

In fact, if computer rankings were the sole determinant, we wouldn't even need a selection committee.

Frankly, the 4-team playoff is bound to have a extremely short life span, before the playoffs are expanded to 8 teams.

How many years do you think Big 12 or PAC 12 or ACC fans will tolerate seeing their conference champion relegated to also-ran status, before fans will be screaming for the playoffs to be expanded? As soon as the conferences see the television gold mine generated by the playoffs, they'll follow the money, guaranteed.

The bowls, including the major bowls, are doomed to become the football equivalent of the NIT, a fun little reward for teams that aren't good enough to be invited to the big dance.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ deductive reasoning

I know that SOS will be a factor that the selection committee will consider, those are typically done by computers. But I agree, computer polls may not be a significant factor.

I also agree about the 4-team playoff being short lived. Frankly, I hope it is. An 8-team playoff would/will be awesome. Plus it gives everyone, mid-majors included, a better chance to prove who is number one on the field.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@Marked it Down: "How do you know that Air Force wasn't the 20th or even 15th best team in the country in 1984?"

Research, see AP polls 1984 under others receiving votes:
West Virginia 109, Georgia 67, Army 44, Air Force 26, Notre Dame 26, UNLV 17, TCU 9, Arkansas 8, Rutgers 7, Wisconsin 7, Texas 5, Purdue 4, Fullerton State (CA) 1

@Uteanymous: "Utah's "heyday" was 2004 and 2008, period."

Is that why Utah was ranked #10 last decade (2000-2009) by CBS Sports (BYU was ranked #27)?

“BYU’s history from the Cotton Bowl victory forward has been very pedestrian; no undefeated seasons, no BCS bowl games and most importantly no BCS Bowl game wins.
The fact is this BYU’s football program has been just speed bump albeit higher than let’s say SDSU or UNLV in the road for the real power programs in the MWC; TCU and Utah... BYU might want to crawl before it walks so here is what they may want to concentrate on doing first, how about beating or staying within two scores of TCU, but I digress."

--- Source: BYU is sealing itself for a BCS Bowl

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

FACTchequer
Salt Lake City, UT

twofer

You're only kidding yourself if you think an undefeated BYU team that beat Nebraska in Lincoln, Boise State at home, UCLA in the Rose Bowl, and Michigan in the Big House (next season's schedule), could be easily dismissed as "unworthy" of a playoff berth.

Starting September with that many quality wins, all nationally broadcast, would easily boost BYU into the AP Top 10 regardless of how many "wagons" the P5s had circled.

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You have a better chance of being in the Big 12 next year than beating 4 ranked teams in one year and getting a playoff berth.

BYU hasn't beat a SINGLE P5 final ranked team since 1996, they've only beat 3 ranked teams since then (#22 TCU 2006, #18 Utah 2009, #18 Utah State 2011).

You are assuming those teams would all be good, ranked teams which has never happened. Last year only UCLA was ranked and Boise State is hardly a quality win if they're not in the top 10.

Riverton Cougar
Riverton, UT

"I wonder if any other fan base is so in denial with trying to justify a national championship in which they played the weakest schedule and bowl opponent of any National Champion?

Nope, there's only one that has too."

They don't need to justify the national championship. In the last 30 years there has not been nearly enough evidence to suggest that BYU was not the best team in the nation that year.

Ute fans can be so hypocritical sometimes. In 2004 they were upset that the pollsters didn't rank them higher and the pollsters claimed it was because of Utah's SOS. Same in 2008. The pollsters take SOS into account, as Ute fans learned in 2004 and 2008. But when discussing BYU's 1984 championship, they say "but when you take SOS into account, they are not deserving!".

Bottom line: in 1984 BYU won all their games. It is not their fault that their opponents (like Miami) didn't do better. It's not their fault that Washington refused to play them. What BYU did was prove that they were the best team in 1984. That's who is supposed to get the national championship.

talkinsports
Gilbert, AZ

@Marked it Down: "How do you know that Air Force wasn't the 20th or even 15th best team in the country in 1984?"

@Uteology: "Research, see AP polls 1984"

Research also confirms that BYU was the best team in the country in 1984.

See AP and Coaches polls, as well as national championship selections by every other major national championship selecting organization.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

Factchecker

At least get your facts straight as opposed to falsely accusing someone. I never said I was more knowledgable than the sources you referenced. When I was wrong, I stated so by saying I stand corrected. I, and other individuals, you claim as "arrogant" are merely using statistics and facts regarding BYU's NC season in 1984. This seems to really bother you. It's nothing more than a spirited debate. Your frustration and false accusations are the only thing I see as close to being "comical". Sheeesh!

DeepBlue
Anaheim, CA

Spokane Ute

"This seems to really bother you."

You seem to be projecting your own feelings of inadequacy onto other bloggers.

BYU's 1984 National Championship is just as legitimate as any other national championship ever won.

Take a chill pill and get over it. There's nothing you can do to change it.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

@ Riverton Cougar

I chaleenge you to find one post in which someone said "it was BYU's fault". Of course it wasn't, it was a broke system. That doesn't change the fact that BYU played one of, if not the, weakest schedule of any National Champion in the last 50 years; and the weakest bowl opponent (6-6) in the last 50 years to claim that title. I don't understand how those facts are so hard to accept and are even debatable. Regardless of those facts; BYU won, and will always be the 1984 college football National Champs. I have no problem admitting that; I just can't understand why others can't admit that they played the weakest opponents to achieve that title.

TrollPolice
Salt Lake City, UT

Gotta luv all of these football experts on the hill who claim to know more than the experts in 1984 and to be such amazing soothsayers that they know exactly how the selection committee will vote in choosing future playoff teams.

The truth is, these supposed experts don't have a clue how the selection committee will vote, nor the exact criteria each one will use, when they close the doors and are forced to choose between 5 or 6 equally viable candidates.

Ufan
Salt Lake City, UT

Spokane Ute

The point that's completely lost on you is SOS doesn't determine how good a team is, it only determines how rigorously a team was tested.

You can postulate all of the biased assumptions you want, but it will never change the fact that the most knowledgeable college football experts of the day carefully evaluated the strengths and weaknesses of every major contender, yet after over a month of careful scrutiny, the majority of them selected BYU as the most deserving team to be selected 1984 national champion.

Who cares whether BYU 1984 was the most formidable or the weakest national champion of all time. BYU fans don't have to "admit" anything, because it's impossible to prove.

Your continued attempts to marginalize BYU's championship are nothing more than a thinly veiled attempt to claim that BYU didn't deserve the championship. You're not fooling anybody.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

@ Deep Blue

Really? I can't change it?...and all along I thought I could! Thanks for enlightening me. You're the best. I don't need a "chill pill" now. Maybe I will come across Biff's almanac when I'm hanging with the Professor!

Too Funny!

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

Ufan

Rats! I really thought I had you fooled. I guess my "thinly vieled attempt didn't work. Again, thanks for enlightening me. I feel better. Do you?

FACTchequer
Salt Lake City, UT

Spokane Ute

"Really? I can't change it?...and all along I thought I could!"

Your five hundred twenty-five thousand six hundred comments on this one blog would seem to suggest so.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

Fact Checker

Do you actually ever comment with "Facts". Your exaggerated posts lead me to believe otherwise.

To All,

I think we have made some real progress today. Now I'm really done. Everyone have a good evening and a great weekend. Peace Out!

1978
Salt Lake City, UT

@Ufan

"The point that's completely lost on you is SOS doesn't determine how good a team is, it only determines how rigorously a team was tested."

Outstanding point - Well done.

An excellent example of that is the UNLV basketball team that won the NCAA championship in 1990. I am sure that they had one of the weakest schedules in the country because they played in the Big West Conference. They even lost a game to New Mexico State. When it counted they won every game that mattered. Being in the ACC, Big 12 or SEC would not have made that championship any more valid.

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

Ufan

Actually, what occurred in 1984 is these human voters committed a colossal error by ranking Pitt as high as they did so when byu barely beat them they vaulted up in the rankings [upon starting the season unranked] because everybody believed Pitt was something they weren't. When OU hit town a couple of weeks later and curb-stomped [utterly destroyed] Pitt on their homefield, everybody saw Pitt for what they were, a terrible team, and by then it was too late to reverse their second error of ranking byu so high, that is if these voters wanted to maintain a modicum of integrity. byu's drastic rise in the polls was a domino-effect, rooted in one enormously collosal error originated in Pitt's preseason ranking.

By today's standard "there's no question we wouldn't have been #1. There would have been four teams higher than us in the polls." -Robbie Bosco

No playoff for U
Salt Lake City, UT

AZUTE1

By any day's standards, the Utes can only sulk that the closest they'll ever get to a Crystal Football National Championship Trophy is the one sitting in BYU's Hall of Fame.

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

AZUTE1

The fundamental flaw in your whole convoluted argument is this:

The poll voters had over a month after the regular season ended to reconsider their "colossal error", yet after over a month of carefully scrutinizing all of the legitimate contenders, the AP writers and Coaches, along with three other NCAA-recognized major selecting organizations, ALL chose BYU as the consensus 1984 National Champion.

NCAA FBS Football Championship History
YEAR / CHAMPION / SELECTING ORGANIZATION
1985 Oklahoma AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1984 Brigham Young AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI
1983 Miami (Fla.) AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI

Notice any difference between the organizations that selected BYU national champion, and those that selected Miami and Oklahoma?

Nope!

That's because there isn't any difference.

Exact same organizations; probably the exact same voters.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@talkinsports

@Uteology: "Research, see AP polls 1984"

Research also confirms that BYU was the best team in the country in 1984.

See AP and Coaches polls, as well as national championship selections by every other major national championship selecting organization.

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Actually, 21 of the 47 rating entities, more than any other college, and one more thane BYU, ranked Florida #1.

But you are right the main entities did rank BYU #1: AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, UPI

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