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Published: Saturday, July 26 2014 6:55 p.m. MDT

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Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

PAC Man,

My mistake, I stand corrected. So their best win was against 8-4 Air Force. I wonder if any other National Champ can say that? I wonder if any other National Champ can claim the NC without beating a single ranked team? My guess is no, unless you go back to the age of leather helmets. I would certainly revisit the subject if you can name any team, to the contrary. Why didn't you respond to my "fact" regarding 6-6 Michigan? Oh well, I rest my case. It wasn't BYUs fault but going undefeated by playing nobody is exactly what they did. Congrats!

PAC man
Anaheim, CA

Spokane Ute

"I wonder if any other National Champ can claim the NC without beating a single ranked team?"

It's funny how jealous Utah fans like to mix and match eras in order to feel good about themselves.

The only reason Air Force wasn't "ranked" is because the AP only ranked the Top 20 in 1984, so it was actually much harder for Air Force to be ranked in 1984, than it was for Pittsburgh to be ranked in 2004.

As for your question, the answer is dozens of teams have won a national championship without beating a single ranked team. As has been stated previously, 48 teams have won a national championship without even playing in a bowl, as recently as Oklahoma, in 1974, only ten years before BYU's national championship.

Bottom line:

The majority of AP sportswriters and Coaches voting in the polls were convinced that BYU was the most deserving team to be selected 1984 national champion, and that's all that really matters.

Your frantic attempt to minimize BYU's accomplishment is nothing but a lot of jealous envy that your program has never come close to matching BYU's feat.

Rockwell
Baltimore, MD

Spokane Ute

It's funny how Air Force(8-4), which finished #24 in the Final AP poll, is labeled a "nobody" by you, yet Utah fans have been beating their chests for years for beating Pittsburgh(8-4), which finished #25 in the Final AP poll, in the Fiesta Bowl.

The inconsistency of your "labels" proves that your critique is nothing but a bunch of jealous rage.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ TrueBlue

The selection committee is run by the P5 conferences. It's naive to think they are going to block out two of their conf. champions to make room for a mid-major who didn't play at least 9 P5 teams. Fair or not, it's the reality of college football.

Snack PAC
Olympus Cove, Utah

Spokane Ute

"I wonder if any other National Champ can claim the NC without beating a single ranked team?"

Here's the problem with your analysis.

Utah fans brag constantly every time Utah beats a "ranked" team (see Stanford in 2013, or every "ranked" team Utah beat in 2008), implying that Utah beat one of the Top 10 or Top 25 best teams in the country - no argument there.

The inconsistency comes when you label a team that finished #24 in the final 1984 AP poll a "nobody".

The inconsistency also comes when you claim that Utah's rankings and the rankings of Utah's opponents are "facts", in other words, immutable, but then aren't willing to accept BYU's rankings or the rankings of BYU's opponents with the same degree of certainty.

BYU finished #1 in both the AP and Coaches polls in 1984.

BYU's ranking is just as valid as Washington's #2 ranking or Florida's #3 ranking.

The exact same poll voters ranked all three teams. BYU did not force any voter to vote for BYU. So why are you trying so desperately to minimize BYU's ranking?

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@Uteology

You conviently forgot to mention that BYU played 3 of the top ten teams from the previous season in their first games in 1985. Here were the results (1984 rankings included):

#1 BYU 28 #5 Boston College 14
#1 BYU 24 #9 UCLA 27
#1 BYU 31 #2 Washington 3

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Here are their 1985 records:

Boston College 4-8
UCLA 9-2-1
Washington 7-5

So you beat one decent Washington team and then lost to the WORST team in the nation 1-10 UTEP. That proves BYU was deserving of the 1984 NC?

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

PAC man: "It's funny how jealous Utah fans like to mix and match eras in order to feel good about themselves."

SO true, like digging up 1984 and national awards from WAC days? Oh wait, that's your fan-base. My bad.

PAC man: "As for your question, the answer is dozens of teams have won a national championship without beating a single ranked team."

Nope, since the inception of the AP poll only ONE team and that was the 1984 BYU team.

phantomblade
Salt Lake City, Utah

Two For Flinching

"The selection committee is run by the P5 conferences. It's naive to think they are going to block out two of their conf. champions to make room for a mid-major who didn't play at least 9 P5 teams."

It's naive to assume that the selection committee would risk not inviting an obviously worthy BYU.

The eyes of the courts and congress are watching.

The last thing the NCAA needs at this point is a class action restraint of trade lawsuit.

Don't forget, there are plenty of "mid-major" schools who would be more than happy to join BYU in such a lawsuit.

If you think that's just an idle threat, you're the one who's being naive.

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

Uteology

"...like digging up 1984 and national awards from WAC days?"

Don't kid yourself. The ONLY reason Utah fans don't talk about all of Utah's accomplishments from the "WAC days", is because Utah has no accomplishments from the WAC days.

Utah's "heyday" was 2004 and 2008, period.

Marked it Down
Park City, UT

Uteology

How do you know that Air Force wasn't the 20th or even 15th best team in the country in 1984?

Just because they finished #24 in the Final AP poll doesn't mean they weren't a much better team.

Oh wait, they weren't technically "ranked" be cause the AP only ranked the Top 20 in 1984 and the rankings are infallible:

BYU 1984: #1 AP, #1 Coaches

It's funny how the rankings are soooo infallible to Utah fans, except when it's BYU's rankings that are being discussed.

BlueCoug
Orem, UT

I wonder if any other fanbase is so obsessed with trying to discredit a consensus national championship that was legitimately awarded by every major selecting organization 30 years ago?

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

Snack Pac

Are you honestly comparing Air Force (1984) to Stanford (2013) and Alabama (2008)? Oh my!

I wonder if any other fan base is so in denial with trying to justify a national championship in which they played the weakest schedule and bowl opponent of any National Champion?

Nope, there's only one that has too.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

Uteology

Thanks for your knowledge and common sense posts. It's refreshing and spot on!

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ phantomblade

I disagree. The P5 conferences are clearly circling the wagons. An undefeated BYU won't get respect in the polls, and the selection committee will cite that, as well as SOS for reasons of exclusion. Also, BYU may be worthy, but the selection committee will argue that teams who were selected ahead of BYU were "more" worthy based on total body of work. That's would be a hard case for BYU to win in court.

FACTchequer
Salt Lake City, UT

Spokane Ute

Are you honestly comparing Utah's football program to Stanford and Alabama?

btw, two words: reading comprehension

That wasn't Snack PAC's point at all.

His point was this:

Either the rankings are valid for all ranked teams, or they're not valid for any ranked teams.

If they're valid for Utah's opponents, they're just as valid for BYU's opponents.

If they're not valid, why do Utah fans place so much emphasis on whether an opponent is ranked, or not?

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The arrogance of a few jealous Utah fans in thinking they're more knowledgeable than all of the AP, FWAA, NFF, USA/CNN, and UPI members who selected BYU the 1984 consensus major college football national champion is really quite comical.

FACTchequer
Salt Lake City, UT

twofer

You're only kidding yourself if you think an undefeated BYU team that beat Nebraska in Lincoln, Boise State at home, UCLA in the Rose Bowl, and Michigan in the Big House (next season's schedule), could be easily dismissed as "unworthy" of a playoff berth.

Starting September with that many quality wins, all nationally broadcast, would easily boost BYU into the AP Top 10 regardless of how many "wagons" the P5s had circled.

utsouthwestern
Boise, ID

Over time BYU is probably on average about ~35th in the country. Utah is just about the same. Really, for a couple programs in the middle of fly-over America that most see the Beehive State as, both are doing pretty well. I think both deserve respect for having accomplished big things coming from small places.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ FACTchequer

Any undefeated or one-loss conference champion from a P5 conference will have just as many (and probably more) quality wins. Like I said, BYU might be worthy, but others will be more worthy.

Also, counting Boise St. as a marquee win is silly. That program is fading fast.

Snack PAC
Olympus Cove, Utah

Two For Flinching

What makes you think there will be 3 or 4 undefeated or one-loss P5 conference champions?

In 2013, there was only 1 undefeated and 1 one-loss P5 team

In 2012, 1 undefeated, 3 one-loss, including Notre Dame

In 2011, 0 undefeated, 3 one-loss

In the last 5 seasons, the PAC 12 has only had two seasons in which the team with the best record finished with less than 2 losses

2009 - Oregon 10-3
2010 - Oregon 12-1, Stanford 12-1
2011 - Oregon 12-2
2012 - Oregon 12-1
2013 - Oregon 11-2

It's just as likely that at least two of the P5 conference champions will have at least 2 losses.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Snack PAC

Point taken. Still, it would not be surprising to see a 2-loss conf. champion in the top 4, especially in the computer polls.

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