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Published: Saturday, July 26 2014 6:55 p.m. MDT

Updated: Sunday, July 27 2014 10:41 p.m. MDT

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Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Bluto

"Generational Legacy", has continued beyond 1984....."

And it has gotten BYU what? The powers that be in your program are literally begging to be included in the future of CFB. You're on the outside looking in.

Bluto
Sandy, UT

@Uteology

May Peace come upon your troubled soul.
It must be terrible having BYU still living in your head, 24-7, Rent Free, after Thirty Years.

None of the polls you mentioned are recognized by anyone. Most of them, i.e. Sporting News, consisted of "One" voter.

And btw, Florida was on probation I 1984, which made them ineligible for a Bowl Game and recognition by the Coaches Poll.
They were allowed on the ballot in the AP Poll and still finished 3rd behind BYU and Washington.

Stop letting History haunt you so...Go fishing.

Memorize this famous prayer...

"God grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change (BYU's National Championship);

Courage to change the things I can (obsessing over BYU's Legacy and National Brand);
and wisdom to know the difference.

Good Day.....

SportsFan
Orem, UT

Uteology

Bottom line after all of your jealous, disjointed, self-serving spinning:

BYU was named consensus national champion by all five major selecting organizations and has the hardware to prove it.

Utah has never been named national champion by any major organization.

btw, that "awful" 1985 BYU team that was upset by UTEP, lost 3 games by a total of 13 points, finished 11-3, won their 9th straight conference championship, were ranked #16 in the final AP poll, and barely lost 10-7 to 14th ranked Ohio St in the Citrus Bowl.

Utah 2009, by comparison, lost 3 games by a total of 37 points, finished 3rd in the conference with a 10-3 record, were ranked #18 in the final AP poll, and beat unranked California(8-5) in the Poinsettia Bowl.

The Utes have only had two Top 16, 11+ win teams in their entire history.

BYU had three Top 16, 11+ win teams back-to-back-to-back in 1983 through 1985, plus three more within a four-year span from 2006 through 2009.

Even in their best period ever, the Utes still couldn't keep pace with BYU.

Bluto
Sandy, UT

@TwoFur...

Winning programs that play in "Big Boy" stadiums on the Major Networks every week, with endless resources, are not on the outside looking in. Your demise of BYU Football is 'greatly exaggerated".

BYU's access to the 4 team playoff is unlikely, just as it is for about 110 other D-1 programs and yet, BYU is still far more likely than Utah to get there.
Again, your Conference Crutch and Patch is irrelevant, if "U" cannot produce on the field.

Conference Doormats, relegated to Regional TV, which consistently post losing records and cannot secure one of 78 Bowl Game slots, are nothing more than little yappers with false bravado.
That be "U".

SportsFan
Orem, UT

2fer

BYU is on the outside looking in at what? A possible playoff berth?

Here's a clue. A perennial bottom feeding P5 like Utah is no closer to a playoff berth than any non-P5.

What chance, really, do you think a perennially unranked program like Utah has of ever finishing in the Top 4? You're not even capable of finishing with a winning record to qualify for a bowl.

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

The fundamental flaw in your disjointed, convoluted argument is this:

Florida was INELIGIBLE to even play in a bowl, so the Gators would have been excluded from the BCS championship game, if one had existed in 1984.

Florida finished a distant 3rd in the final 1984 AP poll, behind #1 BYU and #2 Washington.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

At Deep Blue

Not upset at all, usually when some one types in all Caps, that a sure sign of getting flustered. My opinion will always remain that BYU won the NC by default. I base this on the facts that they played the weakest regular season schedule, and the weakest bowl opponent of any NC. I'm not the only one with this opinion. Utah fan or not, the numbers speak for them self. It's not their fault but it's a fact. Also, it will never, ever happen again. Changes were made that future NC's would have to earn the title. Now it's off to the Beach Blanket bowl whether they win 6, 8 or 11 games. How demoralizing.

scenic view
Baltimore, MD

Uteology

Winning an AP national championship is very simple, all you have to do is convince the majority of AP voters that you are the most deserving team to be selected national champion.

Despite all of your jealous spin, BYU did that in 1984, with 38 AP sportswriters voting BYU #1. BYU received more #1 votes than Washington and Florida COMBINED!

btw, you're extremely naive if you think that the AP voters didn't consider records, SOS, bowl opponents, and all of the other factors that you and your jealous hill friends have cited.

deductive reasoning
Arlington, VA

Spokane Ute

"usually when some one types in all Caps, that a sure sign of getting flustered."

Actually, one or two words typed in all Caps, is usually nothing more than using one of the few forms of visual emphasis available in this forum (since bold and italics is verboten).

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As for your weak BYU winning a national championship "by default" argument, the same could be said of every national championship ever won. Every season, teams are slowly eliminated from the national championship race until only a handful of legitimate contenders remain. Oklahoma, Nebraska, Washington and Florida all lost to multiple loss teams, leaving only BYU undefeated.

How many teams outside of the ACC did Florida State beat last season?

How many teams outside of the SEC did Alabama beat in 2012?

The truth is, every national championship contender, regardless of conference affiliation, relies on "other" teams to eliminate their competitors from the race.

Washington didn't "deserve" that national championship in 1984, because the Huskies chose not to play the #1-ranked team, thus, willfully avoiding the #1 obstacle standing in their way of winning a national championship.

1978
Salt Lake City, UT

@Uteology

You conviently forgot to mention that BYU played 3 of the top ten teams from the previous season in their first games in 1985. Here were the results (1984 rankings included):

#1 BYU 28 #5 Boston College 14
#1 BYU 24 #9 UCLA 27
#1 BYU 31 #2 Washington 3

Did you catch that last score? That was the team that should have been the National Champions according to some BYU detractors. The so-called controversy pretty much ended after that game.

As one Seattle paper put it in their article after the game: The odds of those Washington Football players who didn't believe that BYU was a legimate National Champion but now do is 31:3

Bottom Line: BYU has a national championship. They will always have a national championship. Nothing will ever take that crystal trophy away from Provo.

1978
Salt Lake City, UT

@Uteology

Since it looks like you looked up the article I thought it must be an oversight that you forgot this piece as well.

"The Cougars have to be to beat some of the teams they have beaten in their streak. True, most of their victims have been their fellow Western Athletic Conference members, but they also have beaten Pitt and Baylor and, in the Holiday Bowl last season, Michigan.

And how about the team that they didn't get the chance to beat? Oklahoma, which lost out to BYU in the voting for the national championship last season, turned down the opportunity to play them in the Kickoff opener this season."

Source: Los Angeles Times - September 7, 1985

AZUTE1
Mesa, AZ

Texas Christian, Boise State, and Utah have been tearing it up over the last decade, but in 1984 Brigham Young did something none of those other "Little Big" teams have even gotten a legitimate shot at: they finished #1. Unfortunately, BYU '84 differs from those other teams in another way too: they did not play a single ranked opponent. The only so-called "national champion" that didn't (though Oklahoma came very close in 1956).

BYU's 1984 opponents went 61-85-3, placing their schedule 96th amongst 98 division 1A schools. And yet their performance was as weak as their schedule. They won five games by a touchdown or less, from a 20-14 win at 3-7-1 Pitt in their opener to a 24-17 win against 6-6 Michigan in the Holiday Bowl-- by far the worst bowl opponent ever faced by a so-called "national champion". How bad was Michigan? They finished 6th in the Big Ten, and the Big Ten was a horrid 12-15 against nonconference opponents and 1-5 in bowl games. The only conference in the country that was as bad as the Big 10 was the WAC itself.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

@Deductive Reasoning

I will answer your questions, when you answer mine. Also, why in the world would Washington go to a low, low tier bowl to play a team that quite frankly hadn't beaten anyone; when they could play in the Grand Daddy of them all and play top ranked Oklahoma? Why would they take a huge cut in pay to accomodate BYU? Power conference teams weren't going to stoop to BYU's level then, just like they won't know. That's why BYU is the nomad of college football and won't be invited to a P5 conference. Oh well, you can always slip into your time machine and set the dial for 30+ years and recall that National Championship # ** .
Awesome!

# Weakest Regular season every played by a National Champion.
** Weakest Bowl opponent ever played by a National Champion.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

What in the world does how good teams were the previous year, have to do with the quality of teams the current year? Oh my goodness, we are really desperate and grasping for straws now. I love it!

Snack PAC
Olympus Cove, Utah

AZUTE1

"Unfortunately, BYU '84 differs from those other teams in another way too: they did not play a single ranked opponent."

The 8-4 Air Force team that BYU beat on the road finished #24 in the Final AP poll, HIGHER than the only decent team Utah played in 2004, Pittsburgh, which finished #25 in the Final AP poll.

Michigan was "so bad" that the Wolverines would have played in the Rose Bowl if they'd beaten Ohio State in their regular season finale.

Washington, BYU's closest competitor for the 1984 national championship, only beat Michigan 20-11, a margin of victory that was almost identical to BYU's 24-17 victory over Michigan.

Michigan, btw, beat Miami 22-14, the same Miami team that stomped Florida 32-20, one of the other NC contenders in 1984.

It's funny how Utah fans like to cherry-pick stats in order to help them sleep at night.

Unfortunately for U, the AP and Coaches poll voters, who were fully aware of all of these little happenings that Utah fans have suddenly "discovered", still picked BYU as the #1 team in both 1984 final polls.

Snack PAC
Olympus Cove, Utah

Spoken Ute

"Also, why in the world would Washington go to a low, low tier bowl to play a team that quite frankly hadn't beaten anyone..."

Because the national championship always goes through the team that finishes #1 in both regular season polls.

Instead of whining about not winning the national championship, Washington could have won it on the field simply by beat the #1-ranked team.

It's hilarious that jealous Utah fans continue spewing this falsehood that the quality of BYU's athletic programs, specifically football, is preventing BYU from joining a P5 conference, especially when we all know that Utah's invitation to the PAC 12 had nothing to do with the quality of Utah's athletic programs, as Utah's bottom-dwelling status in almost every PAC 12 sport has clearly proven.

killarney
Lincoln Park, IL

Spokane Ute

"What in the world does how good teams were the previous year, have to do with the quality of teams the current year?"

You and your fellow Ute friends might ask yourselves a similar question:

What in the world does how good teams were 5 or 10 years ago (see 2004 and 2008) have to do with the relevance of teams in the current year?

The inconsistency of how things are evaluated on the hill is laughable.

Why don't you slip into your time machine and travel back to the first time Utah was relevant, like say, the first time Utah won a conference championship and was ranked in the final AP poll?

Why not?

Because it would be a very short journey back to 2004, hardly even worth the trip.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

Sorry snack guy, no one is going to move the the kiddie table for byU. Why in the world would such a "quality" program not be invited to a Power5 conference and already be locked into the Beach Blanket Bingo Bowl? Maybe you should slap a WCC window sticker on your mini-Van. That will help ease the pain.

Spokane Ute
Spokane, WA

Kilarny

You are right, let's stary current. It must be so painful to know, that even when Utah is playing poorly. No bowl game the last 2 years, powerful BYU still can't beat them. Let's go back to last year; shall we? Who won on the field? Who won in the Sagarin rankings? Do tell.

Snack Pac

Now 7 and 11 are almost identical? That's a good one. Where were the games played? You seem to have left out that little tid bit.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Bluto

P5 = in. Mid-majors = out. College football is about to see a major shift, and being outside the P5 is not where you want to be. I'm not sure why you are arguing this, because you know it's true.

Utah does have infinitely better access to the college football playoff, simply because they have access to the college football playoff. Mid-majors don't have a prayer of being accepted. Again, you know this is true, so why are you arguing this point?

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