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Published: Saturday, July 26 2014 11:40 p.m. MDT

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Stringer Bell
Henderson, NV

Scores "I'll bet BYU wins more games this year than Utah does."

Now there's a safe bet. They'd better with the likes of Middle Tennessee and Savannah State while ESPN this week reported Utah with the most difficult schedule in the country.

BYU had an outstanding run during the 17 year or so run with the great Lavell Edwards. As the years pass on that era is looking more and more like an aberration. BYU's record against top rated teams is not good at all. No undefeated seasons since the one during the Lavell era thirty years ago, no BCS Bowl invites and accordingly no BCS Bowl wins. And... Getting hammered by your "rival" year in and year out for the last dozen years.

UteinIdaho
Sandpoint, ID

For some reason I wasted ten minutes of my time reading comments. Its the same silly garbage over and over again. Half of the coug fans on here go on and on touting all of their accomplishments from 30 years ago, so they clearly are P5 worthy. And then my ultimate favorite...all the coug fans who go on and on about how dumb and obsessed Ute fans are for commenting on anything BYU. My goodness, the hypocrisy. So silly.

And...I will be getting an email within a few hours telling me that the D News has rejected my comment, just like every other common sense comment I make on here.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Bluto

ARWU:

Utah - 81 (in the WORLD)

BYU - 300+

Times higher education:

Utah 143 (in the world)

BYU - Not even in the top 400

There is more to a University than it's undergraduate programs. In this case, graduate and Ph.D programs, and the resulting research is a huge factor. Judging by the fact the Utah was invited while BYU wasn't even considered it's obvious that I'm right.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Scores

That's a safe bet. Simple W/L record is not exclusively what determines the better team in college football, due to the huge disparity in schedules.

Tomahawk Red
San Francisco, CA

FatMan86
West Jordan, UT
Both schools are similarly connected in that neither is relevant any more because neither is consistently beating quality opponents.

Outside of the Beehive state, Utah is regarded as a Big 5 doormat, and BYU is an unwanted outsider. This would change if each program would start winning again....against quality competition.

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As unfortunate as it is, I have to agree with this.

Spot on, I think.

Tomahawk Red
San Francisco, CA

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

Just don't tell Bluto he'll have aneurysm. In his head, BYU is a legacy program, with a national... correction, world-wide brand.

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LOL!

That's right.

He would slot BYU in category 1 with Alabama and LSU.

LOL (again)

Tomahawk Red
San Francisco, CA

Striker
Omaha, NE

Wrong. The comments of Utah fans on sports articles referring to BYU or not is keeping BYU extremely relevant.

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Depends on what you mean.

The comments are making BYU relevant to Utah fans? Yes.

The comments are making BYU relevant in national CFB? LOL!

If the latter is what you (and many other Y fans seem to) claim, so you're saying whether or not BYU is relevant in this game depends on... Utah fans?

Tomahawk Red
San Francisco, CA

DuckInSLC
Sandy, UT

So any Utah fan like this guy who believes PAC12 fans and athletic depts wouldn't be ok with BYU being included are probably deluding themselves.

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You have a couple problems here.

1) You slam Chris B for speaking for the Pac 12 (when he, as the Pac 12 said BYU may have been invited if they duplicated Utah's success)

2) You then speak, as a Pac 12 fan, and say you would have liked to see BYU invited (which was not entirely at odds with what Chris B said)

3) You then, contradict yourself, and presume to speak for Pac 12 fans and athletic departments (because you've been in the P12 longer) by saying they most certainly would be okay with BYU in the conference (despite that begging the question, if so many in the conference wanted BYU... why did they not get an invite?)

I like you DuckinSLC. But I had to call you out on the hypocrisy.

Tomahawk Red
San Francisco, CA

kyboy
West Valley City, UT
Home game average attendance 2013: BYU=61,225. Utah=45,194. Yeah, pretty equal. BYU currently ranks 28th in the country. Good enough for 3rd in the Big 12 and 5th in the PAC12.

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LSU, Alabama and Notre Dame all average FAR MORE fans per game than BYU does... at roughly 100,000 fans per game each.

They blow BYU out of the water, and it ain't even close. That's a REAL draw. That's a REAL legacy program. That's a REAL national brand.

BYU doesn't even come close to qualifying as a real brand in CFB.

chicagoborn
Salt Lake City, UT

@Bluto
Since you like bringing up the US News rankings so much why don't you look at grad school rankings for anything other than business? In STEM, Utah outclasses BYU in the rankings and it ain't even close. Utah is closer to it's PAC 12 colleagues than BYU is to Utah when it comes to science, math, and engineering.

Tomahawk Red
San Francisco, CA

Lambo
Clearfield, UT

Utah was preaching against the BCS system, now you are preaching for exclusion and belittling teams that are in the same boat you were just barely in.

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I don't think that's true.

I don't think any Utah fan would have any problem if BSU was invited to the Big 12 tomorrow. They have certainly earned it.

The problem you'll have with Utah fans is when fans of a team who we believe hasn't earned P5 inclusion regularly wail and moan about not getting a P5 invite, something they believe they're entitled to. We basically don't like BYU fans saying, "we deserve the exact same thing Utah has, even though we didn't even come close to accomplishing what they did in the BCS era."

If BYU had duplicated even ONE of Utah's BCS seasons I think most Utah fans would agree that BYU deserves to get in somewhere.

But you didn't, so we don't.

Blame your AD... your head coach... your players. Not us.

Tomahawk Red
San Francisco, CA

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

"Wrong. We played (and beat) Texas, runner up in the B12;"

You mean the only P5 conference that doesn't play a title game? Okay, you beat one disputed (and mediocre) runner-up in the P5.

"Middle Tennessee (who we also beat), runner up in the C-USA and Utah State (who we also beat), winner of MWC."

I believe he meant P5 runners up. Not mid majors.

"We also played Wisconsin (3rd in B10), Notre Dame (top independent), Boise State (3rd in MWC)."

Irrelevant. He said conference champ or runner-up. 3rd in the MWC impresses NO ONE.

Tomahawk Red
San Francisco, CA

Bluto
Sandy, UT

-7 College Hall of Famers
-16 Consensus All-Americans
-A Heisman Trophy winner
-2 Outland Trophy winners
-7 Sammy Baugh Trophy winners
-A Maxwell Trophy winner
-A Legendary Hall of Fame Coach (who transformed College Football).
-A Doak Walker Trophy winner
-4 Davey O'Brian Trophy winners
(21 National Award Winners in all)....
-A Super Bowl MVP
-2 NFL MVP's
-A Unanimous National Championship
-23 Conference Championships

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Yale also dominated college football 100 years ago, and nobody is asking for their inclusion.

Every single one of those accolades you mentioned happened over three decades ago. BYU hasn't done a thing in the last 25 years. It's a dinosaur.

If the present day was 1992, you would have an excellent case for inclusion. Too bad for you it's 2014 and the Cougars haven't accomplished a thing since.

Live in the past if you want (which you clearly do). There ain't nothing to brag about BYU football now.

LOL!!!

Tomahawk Red
San Francisco, CA

Bluto,

Utah - Pac 12
BYU - Mid major

That's all that needs to be typed.

LOL

worf
Mcallen, TX

Time for the utes to stand on it's own two feet.

Adios!

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

RE: Bluto

"BYU would rank 5th or 6th Academically in the Pac. Utah brings up the rear"

Sorry, 2ForFlinching is right on this one. BYU is not a research university in the top tier (like all the Pac12 schools are). While BYU has higher academic standards and most of their undergraduate programs are more selective and rigorous than Utah's, the PAC12 doesn't care about undergraduate quality because that's not what brings in the big bucks. Graduate research programs pay the bills and Utah is quite competitive in that arena.

If you're trying to make the "we didn't get into the PAC12 because of religious bias" card the only valid argument I've ever seen is that the PAC12 was willing to let in programs like Oklahoma State, which isn't an upper tier research institution either. But even that is nebulous at best because no official invite ever went out to those schools.

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

Bluto
Sandy, UT
"Until Utah's Mid Major Football program produces.........

Only after the Doormat Utes can match BYU's aforementioned accomplishments, then and only then, can the Red Tailed Chicken Hawks even begin to be compared to BYU."

Really? If your assertion had any merit whatsoever, why is byu trying so hard to get what Utah has?

"BYU has Tradition, a National Brand and an actual Legacy. (ASK the suits at ESPN)."

byu has a ring through its nose and ESPN is holding the rope. If that's your idea of a reward for brand and legacy, mission accomplished. On the other hand, you might look no further than the Pac-12, Big12, SEC, and ACC for an accurate assessment of byu's "brand and legacy."

Bluto
Sandy, UT

@TwoFur

"You said BYU wouldn't qualify academically in the Pac?
Hilarious!...BYU would rank 5th or 6th Academically in the Pac."

Nope. You want to use USNWR rankings? Fine. byu's paper thin portfolio of graduate and PhD programs is outclassed by USU. Yep...USU!

Now, look at the World Universities Ranking...byu doesn't even register. Difference criteria, son.

Best not even bring research into the conversation.

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

RE: Bluto

"BYU would rank 5th or 6th Academically in the Pac. Utah brings up the rear"

Sorry, 2ForFlinching is right on this one. BYU is not a research university in the top tier (like all the Pac12 schools are). While BYU has higher academic standards and most of their undergraduate programs are more selective and rigorous than Utah's, the PAC12 doesn't care about undergraduate quality because that's not what brings in the big bucks. Graduate research programs pay the bills and Utah is quite competitive in that arena.

If you're trying to make the "we didn't get into the PAC12 because of religious bias" card the only valid argument I've ever seen is that the PAC12 was willing to let in programs like Oklahoma State, which isn't an upper tier research institution either. But even that is nebulous at best because no official invite ever went out to those schools.

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

worf
Mcallen, TX

"Time for the utes to stand on it's own two feet."

Care to explain this comment, worf? Without some context, it makes no sense. Go ahead...give it a try.

DrUte
Woods Cross, UT

Wondering how the readership might react to this/these thoughts:

1. Now that Utah is PAC12 & BYU is indy, seems like the two schools have little in common other than geography. BYU has its religious affiliation, fine, its religious rules, fine, while Utah is a state secular school. Fine.

2. Utah's PAC12 membership requires a certain mandatory number of PAC12 games per year, leaving two or three open time slots. In addition, I'm strongly suspicious that PAC12 membership contractually requires some of those slots to go to P5 schools (like Michigan) so that PAC12 can compare results, a marketing exercise.

3. However, since BYU is independent, it does not appear that those 9 "guaranteed" games that would normally come with conference membership are available. As a result, BYU scrambles for meaningful games during the body of the season. As a result of that scramble their SOS may never be very favorable since some of the P5 conferences have declined to acknowledge BYU as a P5 adversary and P5 schools have ~75% of their schedules locked in with their conference games.

--- Wondering how BYU will become attractive to a conference given this scheduling challenge.

Not throwing stones, just sayn'.

--- An interesting conundrum.

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