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Published: Thursday, July 24 2014 8:10 p.m. MDT

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Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ CougarSunDevil

"Yeah, cause ASU was playing PAC-10 teams since 1978. We won a rose bowl game playing powers like USC, UCLA, and Washington (at the time). "

Hold on. Are you admitting that playing a full schedule in the PAC is considerably more difficult than playing a schedule full of mid-majors? Because if you are, I agree with you 100%, and will add that ASU's Rose Bowl season was indeed very impressive.

@ Surf is Up

The "common era" dates back to Biblical time. There were indeed very long droughts in the rivalry in that time, but as it stands the record in the time frame you selected is 57-34-4 in favor of Utah. If you were trying to include the 70s and 80s, perhaps you can explain what makes games played 35 years ago relevant to the rivalry today?

BigCougar
Bountiful, UT

@Colorado is our rival
They need our conference in a bad way as they already have one of the worst schedules in the nation.

If we stopped playing them we would push them so far into irrelevance their program would be over.

Lets not help them. In fact, lets do all we can to bury them. And to do that we just need to do nothinh(stop scheduling them)

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You say "we" like you speak for the Pac12 conference or something. Lol! A little dose of reality would do you a lot of good. Here's a little dose of reality:

annual conference cellar dwellers don't speak for the conference. ever

Here's another dose of reality:

BYU had the 38th toughest SOS last season (Sagarin). They finished ahead of several SEC teams including Alabama and ahead of most of the ACC, Big 10 and Big 12 conference teams. Last year Utah's SOS was top 10 (great for you! Did you win the SOS championship and get a trophy?). Reality is, last year's utah schedule was the exception not the norm. Previous 2 yrs in the Pac12 Utah's SOS was in the 40's.

What a joke! Lol!

BigCougar
Bountiful, UT

@Colorado is our rival
They need our conference in a bad way as they already have one of the worst schedules in the nation.

If we stopped playing them we would push them so far into irrelevance their program would be over.

Lets not help them. In fact, lets do all we can to bury them. And to do that we just need to do nothinh(stop scheduling them)

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You say "we" like you speak for the Pac12 conference or something. Lol! A little dose of reality would do you a lot of good. Here's a little dose of reality:

annual conference cellar dwellers don't speak for the conference. ever

Here's another dose of reality:

BYU had the 38th toughest SOS last season (Sagarin). They finished ahead of several SEC teams including Alabama and ahead of most of the ACC, Big 10 and Big 12 conference teams. Last year Utah's SOS was top 10 (great for you! Did you win the SOS championship and get a trophy?). Reality is, last year's utah schedule was the exception not the norm. Previous 2 yrs in the Pac12 Utah's SOS was in the 40's.

What a joke! Lol!

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

MyPerspective:

"...live with it or call the AAC. That's one bridge byu hasn't burned...yet."

You are mistaken. The Y DID burn that bridge. Reread the DNews article "Cougars won't be joining Big East" by Jeff Call (Nov. 22, 2011):

"One source told CBSSportsline, "I doubt BYU (going to the Big East) will happen. They are being extremely unreasonable all of a sudden. This is one reason why they did not get into the Big 12...[The Big East was] willing to make sure BYU gets as much per game or more than they do now. The BYU lawyers are unwilling to move much. The Big East keeps working to get a deal done. BYU has a problem from the members...they are growing tired of doing all they can to support BYU...but it seems it is starting to be too much."

Riverton Cougar
Riverton, UT

"Stanford is a 2-for 2, extremely likely to turn into a 2-for-1 or a 2-and-done."

So Stanford is a 2-for-2, but "likely" to turn into a 2-1 and that counts as a 2-1 in your mind. BYU is "likely" to be in a P5 conference in the next few years, does that count in your mind as well?

"Arizona also gets their two home games first... in 2016, 2018... before finally going to Provo in 2020."

Last I checked, Arizona has only one home game. Just because one of the games is in Arizona doesn't mean that it is a home game for Arizona. If BYU and Utah had a basketball game at ESA, would you consider that a home game for Utah?

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

MyPerspective (cont.):

"One Big East school rep told me, 'BYU does know that (Boise State) is the real prize here, right?' Being part of a conference is working together as one team. For the first time since BYU and the Big East started this process, member schools are wondering why BYU is being so difficult.'...there are some very proud members like Georgetown, Notre Dame and the others are willing to help BYU join their club, but that support is being tested and they are prepared to offer San Diego State..."

See? That bridge was burned too. So once the Y decides to join a conference, they're down to C-USA, the MAC, and the Sun Belt. Or at least until they burn those bridges too.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

worf:

"They were less then average in the WAC, and MWC. This year will be minus a victory present win from BYU....Are the utes making the PAC 12 conference look stronger then they are?"

What a frantic and emotional thing to say. By the time the Utes left the WAC, we were most certainly not "less than average". We were one of that leagues consistent leaders (along with CSU and the Y). And while in the MWC, the 2-time BCS bowl busting Utes and Frogs were that league's top dogs.

And of course, with our current 9-1 OOC record, Utah IS making the Pac-12 conference look stronger.

CougarSunDevil
Phoenix, AZ

2 Fer

"Hold on. Are you admitting that playing a full schedule in the PAC-12 is considerably more difficult than playing a schedule full of mid-majors? Because if you are, I agree with you 100%, and will add that ASU's Rose Bowl season was indeed very impressive."

I've never said otherwise. I'm just tired of Utah fans to deride BYU's schedule and ASU's lack of conference championships and bowl appearances while touting Utah's two BCS wins. Utah had some quality wins during 04 and 08, but ultimately would not have made it to a BCS game if they were playing in the PAC 12 that year. I don't think anyone is arguing that BYU's schedule is a Power 5 dream come true, but it is better than in the MWC. Utah fans keep knocking BYU's schedule when Utah played lesser quality of teams than BYU is currently scheduling a fair and objectionable fan can see that. When Utah wins the PAC-12, then I'll be impressed. Until then, Utah really doesn't have a whole lot over BYU especially if Utah doesn't win this year.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Striker:

"Yet another conference to openly talk about BYU at their media days. Like it or not, the plan for exposure is working big time, especially when it is being talked about in nearly every conference media day coverage, and BYU doesn't even belong to any of those conferences!"

Yes, but it seems like what is being openly discussed about the Y by Power 5 leagues is -- and you even said it yourself -- that they don't even belong.

SportsFan
Orem, UT

Larry Scott obviously hasn't been keeping up with the talking points of our jealous little brothers and considers PAC 12 teams playing BYU as a win-win situation. Certainly for schools like USC and UCLA it's a much bigger deal from a national perspective when they play BYU.

nananana batman
saint george, UT

I really wish the season would start. It feels like Groundhog day with the same articles being recycled. If its not Big 12 mumbo jumbo its Pac-12. Write an article when something finally does happen.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Bluto:

"BYU is begging for nothing. Their Brand sustains them. They don't need to ride others coattails to survive."

No so Bluto. The Y IS begging. They're begging for Power 5 status when they're not too busy begging for a Big 12 invitation. And that's because their brand is NOT sustaining them. And furthermore, they DO need others coattails to ride in order to survive. But unfortunately for you, Utah's coattails weren't long enough to drag you any further than we'd already had while we were in the MWC. There's a big difference between "not needing" anyone's coattails to ride, from "not having" anyone's coattails to ride.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

Riverton Cougar:

"Just because one of the games is in Arizona doesn't mean that it is a home game for Arizona."

Yes it does. If it's ~2 hrs from Tucson, but 10+ hrs from Provo, it's a Home game for Arizona. And for what it's worth, yes, a basketball game between the U and the Y at ESA would be like a Home game for Utah.

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

wynn
Columbus, OH
"Utah has gained its identify and relevance thanks to BYU and needs BYU in order to maintain it."

Provide this board a list of specific examples to support your claim. Frankly, I can't think of a single thing byu has done for the U of U.

Conversely, byu received $2M from Utah's BCS appearances. So, the next time you look at byu's grass football field salute the U of U...that's where byu got it. Also, there are many research partnerships that the U has reached down (way down) to include byu.

Ok, your turn...byu has done what for the U of U??

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

MyPerspective:

"The Y DID burn that bridge. Reread the DNews article "Cougars won't be joining Big East" by Jeff Call (Nov. 22, 2011)..."

I stand corrected. Excellent work, Naval Vet. byu burns bridges everywhere they go. My hope is that the decision makers in all of the conferences have long memories.

wyoming cougar
Green River, WY

re: naval vet- Not so fast. utah had a good run in the MWC but not so much in the WAC. In fact, BYU had more victories than any other team in the history of the WAC, and in a distant second is Wyoming. utah is not even close in WAC history victories.

and, re: my perspective- If you want to discuss revenue sharing from bowl games then don't forget about a few decades where you never went bowling but shared in the pie from all of BYU's bowl games. Even Wyoming went to more and brought more to the table over the history of the WAC than u did.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@CougarSunDevil

"I don't think anyone is arguing that BYU's schedule is a Power 5 dream come true, but it is better than in the MWC."

Not in 2011 and not in 2014, it is significantly weaker, more like their 1984 SOS.

"When Utah wins the PAC-12, then I'll be impressed. Until then, Utah really doesn't have a whole lot over BYU especially if Utah doesn't win this year."

* BYU was 2-5 vs P5 teams last year (5-11 since going Indy)

* BYU is 2-5 vs PAC-12 teams, only wins over 3-9 Oregon State and Washington State.

What has BYU done to impress you over the last 14 years, the BCS era? BYU better go 3-0 vs P5 teams this year, because Virgina and Cal have only won 3 games (2 over D2 teams and BYU).

Cosmo's Cousin
Holladay, UT

BYU has more tradition and history than 95% of the teams in the P5 conferences, especially little old Utah. Heismans, national championships, Top 25 finishes, an international fan base, BYU TV, an HD truck, and various other awards.

The only reason BYU doesn't get an invite into a P5 conference is because it would make all the schools in those conferences jealous and feel threatened. BYU is as good as it gets in college football and everyone knows it.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@MyPerspective

Ok, your turn...byu has done what for the U of U??

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They were gracious enough to roll over and play dead as Utah made history, TWICE!

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ CougarSunDevil

I've seen the schedule mocking, and BYU probably doesn't deserve as much friction on the subject as they do. Especially last year; BYU put together a quality schedule. However, as a Ute fan it becomes frustrating having to defend against jeers of Utah going bowl-less, without any recognition that Utah is playing great teams week after week. With the rotating door that has become the OC position at the U, and our inability to keep QB's healthy, there are a couple explanations for why Utah has stumbled. But one of the most valid explanations for why Utah has missed bowls two years in a row is due to the huge jump in SOS. Utah improved as a team from 2012 to 2013, but that wasn't represented in the W/L column because the conference as a whole also took a big step forward.

Anyway, good luck to the Cougars. They have a chance to do something special this season. Not as much luck to the Sun Devils; here's to hoping Utah ends it's drought against ASU.

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