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Published: Thursday, July 24 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT

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marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

"Kashkari promises to derail Brown's obsession — the (at least) $68 billion San Francisco-to-Los Angeles bullet train."

I guess Will thinks he selected an obvious Brown weakness, but high speed rail is necessary investment - virtually the rest of developed world is doing it (China - the world's largest economy is doing both high speed and maglev). The United States will have to do it too if it wants to stay #2 and not fall farther behind (get used to this idea).

happy2bhere
clearfield, UT

Another young, smart, strong, minority Republican running for office. How can this be in the party that all the media, liberals, and Democrats claim is the party of old white men?

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Goldwater was also pro-choice and and pro-gay rights, which would make him a unacceptable to today's GOP (outside of deep blue states). He also opposed JFK's tax cuts which would doom him today. Odd to think that Barry Goldwater was far too liberal to be a modern Republican.

Esquire
Springville, UT

Mr. Will, are you decrying California as a one-party state? How about all the other one-party states, including Utah? Or is your lament only one-sided.

It is interesting that it took a Democratic Jerry Brown to substantially tame the budget mess that CA has faced for a very long time, one that had its roots in Proposition 13 in 1978, led by Howard Jarvis. History has shown that the Utah born Jarvis' concepts, like Sam Brownback's in Kansas today, are disastrous policies. Following Paul Ryan and the House GOP would be a crippling blow to the entire nation. These a models based on greed and narcissism, and will always fail.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Brown 52, Kashkari 33

Rah-Rah-Reee!
You go George!

Your guy is down by 19,
but gotta had it,
having the GOP pick someone who is not Archie Bunker is an improvement.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Esquire
Springville, UT
Mr. Will, are you decrying California as a one-party state? How about all the other one-party states, including Utah? Or is your lament only one-sided.

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Seriously,

Utah's AG, and former AG just got arrested,
and we STILL see these die hard Republicans calling it a partisan witch-hunt....

That's about as blindly ONE-sided as one can possibly get.

Brer Rabbit
Spanish Fork, UT

It probably wouldn't have changed the final outcome of the 1964 electoral count, but it seems the height of hypocrisy that the Johnson campaign made Goldwater into a dangerous Cold War Hawk. Remember the TV ad with the little girl and the nuclear bomb mushroom cloud that implied that if the voters didn't vote for the "President" (LBJ) that Goldwater would cause nuclear war?

Then what happened? Johnson pushed the United States totally into the Vietnam War, which took a year out of my life. Johnson turned out to be the war hawk. I expect Hillary Clinton to try the same sort of crap.

Furry1993
Ogden, UT

In this day and age, Barry Goldwater ("Mr. Conservative" who started the conservative movement and defined conservatism, and was considered to be on the far right fringes of the political spectrum at that time) would be called "RINO and "liberal" (and wouldn't have a chance of being nominated for pretty much any political office where the far right is in control) That's how far the extreme far right has skewed and hijacked the party to the far right fringes. Sad.

VST
Bountiful, UT

@Esquire said, “Mr. Will, are you decrying California as a one-party state? How about all the other one-party states, including Utah?”

Fifty-four electoral votes from California versus six electoral votes from Utah?

Certainly, you cannot be serious in trying to make that a valid comparison.

Howard Beal
Provo, UT

This is the lesson that the GOP needs to learn with the nomination of Goldwater in 1964. He was the tea-party Republican of his time. He even railed against "moderation" in acceptance speech. He was seen as the alternative to the more moderate Nixon who lost to Kennedy in 1960. But what happened to Goldwater. He was crushed in 1964 by LBJ. If the GOP doesn't go moderate, they will be crushed, maybe not to this extent, but it will still be ugly. The lesson from Romney is that that a moderate GOP candidate can do well. Perhaps without the harsh 47% comments, along with Hurricane Sandy, the election might have turned out differently, perhaps closer at the very least. But if the GOP puts up a Cruz, a Santorum, a Palin or Perry, they will be crushed like a grape by whatever Democrat is put forward (and I don't see Clinton as the lock choice there)...

Howard Beal
Provo, UT

Yes, Nixon was elected in 1968 but I think a pivotal event happened in history to lead to that result, the assassination of RFK. No way Nixon beats RFK, who unlike Johnson, opposed the Vietnam war and after all, was a Kennedy.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT
Goldwater was also pro-choice and and pro-gay rights, which would make him a unacceptable to today's GOP (outside of deep blue states). He also opposed JFK's tax cuts which would doom him today. Odd to think that Barry Goldwater was far too liberal to be a modern Republican.

8:45 a.m. July 24, 2014

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...and don't forget legalizing medical Marijuana.

A few years before his death he addressed establishment Republicans by saying, "Do not associate my name with anything you do. You are extremists, and you've hurt the Republican party much more than the Democrats have."

Talk about sliding to the uber-far-right...
Who could have EVER thought that today's GOP would be labeling Barry Goldwater as a RINO?!

Craig Clark
Boulder, CO

Speaking of one-party states, the deep South deserves mention. It used to be a conglomerate of one-party states under the label Democrat. All that changed with the rise of the civil rights cause in the post-World War II years.

Today, the anti-Washington, anti-government philosophy of the far right has made the region solid red state territory. That the Republican Party was once the party of Lincoln doesn't even matter. After a century and a half, Dixie is still unable to let go of the Civil War.

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