You can decide on whether to be a socialist or a capitalist. Decide now this
day, but decide wisely.
"Obama received less votes the second time around than McCain did the first
time, but still won because many conservatives were disillusioned by Romneycare
and stayed home. Romney lost conservatives or he would have won the
election."Where do you guys get this stuff? In the
'08 election:McCain 59,948,323 votesObama
69,498,516 votes'12 electionRomney 60,933,500Obama 65,915,79665 million is more then 59 million. And ROMNEY actually got MORE votes then McCain. "The left
cries about the Tea Party as if Occupy Wall Street was any sort of rational
movement."Occupy Wall Street? Who?You see many
occupy candidates? Running or in office? No? Neither do I. You see many Occupy
people being interviewed anywhere? Neither do I. "Orwellian left
sponsors efforts to amend the Constitution to restrict freedom of
speech."Really? You call unlimited money in politics free
speech? Whatever. I call it bribery and corruption. And
planned parenthood is a "hate group"? Wow, you've taken
any meaning out of that term. (And I don't care about the founder,
she's been dead many decades now.)
Two key differences:George Romney was a civil rights advocate, while
Mitt Romney thinks some Americans should treated as 2nd-class citizens who are
denied the civil rights he enjoys.George Romney built up companies
and elevated the working class, while Mitt Romney profited by breaking up
companies and says that he enjoys firing people.I suspect George
would be embarrassed by his son.
I have no inherent devotion to the Republican party; however the hypocrisy of
the posters on this article illustrate why there are no viable alternatives. It is hypocritical to cry that the Republican party has changed
when the current president ran on a platform of "Change".It
is disingenuous to claim conservatives are extremists when the left hosts such
hate groups as Planned Parenthood, the Democratic party is populated with
extremists such as Al Shartpon, the administration is comprised of dishonest
people such as Eric Holder, and the Orwellian left sponsors efforts to amend the
Constitution to restrict freedom of speech.The left cries about the
Tea Party as if Occupy Wall Street was any sort of rational movement. I prefer
Tea any dayMitt haters complain about Obama critics - when it is
pretty obvious that Mitt was prophetic about Obamas failure. Clean up your own
house.Obama received less votes the second time around than McCain
did the first time, but still won because many conservatives were disillusioned
by Romneycare and stayed home. Romney lost conservatives or he would have won
the election. Either Romney would have been a better choice that
what actually happened.
At church I finally heard the best comment/comeback that I've heard in a
long time. One staunch Tea Party member who preaches from the pulpit confronted
a member of the congregation and said "No Mormon can be a Democrat!"
The response was enlightening. "No Christian can be a Republican!" About says it all.
I hope Mary also sees the OBAMA she should NOT have voted for too.
Romney's health care bill was changed quite a bit the year after he left
office. It was the changed bill that was copied by Obama. George was
against the Vietnam way in 1967, it ended his run for President. I see more
similar views than differences. I see his father as a religious man who would be
for equal rights, but not marriage. The Democrats use to be for the
working man, but they have changed also, at the hands of the Progressive
Between Barack Obama and Mitt Romney, Romney was far more like his father. True,
he doesn't demonstrate the charitable priorities of George, nor does he
reflect George's concern for the poor and minorities, at least not
publicly. His biggest mistake was nominated a young white version of himself.But despite his rhetoric, Barack Obama has increased poverty,
dependency, and debt every year he's been President. He's expanded the
wealth gap. He's increased unemployment for minorities. Mitt Romney would
have done the opposite in all of these cases.It's truly bizarre
that people focus on what tax rate Romney pays. Obama and the Democrats enacted
the tax law; Romney never served in Congress, so he has had zero influence in
The Mitt Romney that was Governor of Massachusetts and united a strongly
Democratic State was not the same Mitt Romney that ran for President. The original Mitt Romney presided over a state that made SSM legal and their
health care program was copied almost word for word to form The Affordable Care
Act. If he had held true to his beliefs that united his state of
Massachusetts and not the way that the Tea Party and radical elements of the GOP
wanted he would have won the election.His flip flopping made him an
There are no 'George Romneys' in the Republican party today. Nor in
the Democratic party. There are lots of Nixons, Cruzs, Lees in the Republican
part. Lots of Reids, Pelosis and similar ilk in the Democratic party.Today it is not 'Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you
can do for your country.' It is grab what can while no one is looking.
FDRfanSugar City, ID"I have nothing to base an opinion on but I
believe Mitt Romney would have been more like his father than what is being said
here. You have to get elected first and Mitt Romney was forced into positions.
But those who forced him have too much egotism to admit their failed
strategy.And so no chance for Mitt as there was no chance for
George."--- You may be right, but who would trust a President
who went liberal to win in Mass, then switched to "severetly
conservative" to get the support and money of the current bunch who control
republican politics?George Romney stuck to what he believed in.
Having been raised in privilege cost Mitt the opportunity to develop strong
convictions, other than what his church and his wife told him.If
Mitt were George, he would have told those who wanted him to change to go
away.---- By the way, I take issue with the charitable deductions
given. Tithing required to be in good standing does not count as charity. George
gave several times as much, beyond the 10%, as Mitt.
@DuckOuttaWaterThe problem(at least for me) is which Mitt were we getting?
The Mitt that was beholden to the Tea Party conservatives, or the Mitt who ran
the Olympics and was the governor of Massachusetts. Because i'd vote for
the Olympics/governor Mitt. I wouldn't vote for the "severely
Romney all the time in this paper.
The house, senate and maybe even the presidency need to be returned to the
politicians of a couple generations ago. Loud, obnoxious old guys who got drunk
every afternoon. They knew how to get along with one another, and how to get
things of government done.
I have nothing to base an opinion on but I believe Mitt Romney would have been
more like his father than what is being said here. You have to get elected first
and Mitt Romney was forced into positions. But those who forced him have too
much egotism to admit their failed strategy.And so no chance for Mitt as
there was no chance for George.
@Pops: You nailed it. Our political problems are a reflection of us as a
people. Mitt is a lot like George but knows he couldn't get elected
without navigating a GOP primary system that is toxic. At times Mitt looked
more like a panderer than a leader but I believe he is a good man.We
need to teach our kids that our country is more important than our political
opinions. We need to teach respect of neighbors, leaders, teachers, military,
police, etc. The way our country has treated our 3 most recent Presidents has
been astoundingly bad. Children need to hear parents pray for national leaders
by name. We need to go back to reading newspapers instead of gorging ourselves
on talk radio, cable TV, conspiracy theories and other forms of political porn.
Teach kids to "fear" (i.e., respect God) and we'll then recognize
we are brothers and sisters. Teach our families not to demonize others but to
listen. Only then will more of the George and Lenore Romney's want to get
Hey Whittling Whistler -Your reference to "anti-mormon
liberals" doesn't make much sense.The most anti-Mormon
people in the United States are the ones who most closely identify themselves
with Conservatism . . . Although quite a few of them actually voted for Romney
in lieu of voting for an African American with Muslim heritage.They
prioritized their prejudices and voted for Romney, but it doesn't mean they
are pro-Mormon.A much larger percentage of "Conservatives"
than Liberals, think Mormonism is the work of the Devil.As a matter
of fact, I can't think of any Liberal who is venomously Anti-Mormon. That
kind of nonsensical hate is endemic to "Conservative" circles, not to
Liberals.It was the Liberalism of the founding fathers that
specified the Separation of Church State. And that, in turn, allowed Mormonism
to thrive in a nation full of Christian denominations hostile to Mormonism.
Great article. I was in Michigan the day George Romney died. I kept seeing on
tv "Death of a Hero" repeated over and over. He was revered throughout
the state, across economic and racial lines, for what he did and accomplished as
Governor. I'm fairly confident that Michigan's constitution was the
first to include civil rights as a result of Gov Romney's efforts at a time
when his own church had racist policies in place. Great example even today of
true integrity and leadership.
@FstherOfFour "Under Mitt, Massachusetts became the first state to allow
marriage equality. Mitt later campaigned on this fact with the Log Cabin
Republicans (a republican LGBT group) and he received their endorsement in
2012."No thanks to Mitt who vehemently opposed marriage equality
in Massachusetts and sponsored an effort after the Goodridge v Dept of Health
ruling to amend the state's constitution to ban same-sex marriage. He
thinks gay Americans should be denied the civil rights he enjoys. He's
definitely not the man his father was.
If Mitt would have run on his true record and run as a democrat he could at
least be Vice president right now going into 2016 instead of first looser.
Too bad authoritarianism, corporatism and militarism have taken over the
republican party. It's been a long time since the republican party were the
party of abolitionist and created the EPA.It's even been a long
time since Reagan said he considered HIMSELF an environmentalist.
Whittling WhistlerLehi, UT" the movement to give tax money to
homosexuals"-- You mean allowing Gay citizens exactly the same
taxes and benefits as straight? I noticed that in some Klan-friendly States,
complaints were made that it would cost money to allow married Gay folks to have
benefits.RedShirtUSS Enterprise, UT"The fact that
liberals love him, makes we even more worried about politicians like George
Romney....Hopefully somebody realizes that the US needs 2 candidates that
represent 2 distinct points of view, not just 2 versions of the same
collectivist goal."-- Actually, liberals and moderates found
Mitt unlikable for pandering to the right.Paul Timothy GibbsTaylorsville, UTThis does sound like a Romney I might have voted for. I
wish I had seen more of these qualities in the Romney who ran in 2012. In many
respects I feel what I saw was the polar opposite.-- Good for you
for not pretending he is perfect because he is mormon royalty as too many Utahns
Joan WatsonTWIN FALLS, ID"The "apple does not fall far from
the tree" The fact is, George Romney would not have become president of the
U.S. because the majority would not have voted for him."--
George was a considerably better liked public figure than Mitt. Uncle RicoSandy, UT"Obama's strategy: paint Mitt as an
out of touch elitist and promise ignorant people free stuff, and it
worked"--Romney and his wife's own statements sunk him.
Your comment about "ignorant people" is shameful and un-Christian.UTCProgressAmerican Fork, UT"..and his religious
convictions would kill him in the Democratic primaries."--
Democrats would have had little trouble voting for a mormon before Prop 8.HutteriteAmerican Fork, UT"Republicans used to be a
party of ideas instead of a party of ideology and 'no'. Still, this
article feels a bit like DN is still carrying a flame."-- A
flame? From all the articles attempting to prove America's instincts wrong,
it's more like a Lake of Fire, lol.Mark lSALT LAKE CITY,
UT"..merely an attempt by a progressive to portray herself as a
moderate"-- She is a moderate, you don't get it.
Well said Anchovy. And notice how easy it is to bash Romney. Well all of you
Obama lovers and Romney bashers are getting just what you deserve from a novice
in the White House. The sad part is that we all knew he had zero leadership
experience. The poor underdog mentality showed itself in voting for the highest
office in the land. How else could he win? And is it not interesting that Obama
supporters and or Romney bashers will not admit that Romney or even me could
have done better than the dictator we now have.
@LDS Liberal 9:51 p.m. July 25, 2014@Furry1993Ogden,
UTRemember -- This is the same group that NOW calls Barry
Goldwater [i.e., Reagan's mentor] a RINO!-----------------True. It was a sad day when they hijacked the Republican Party and the
conservative label. Side note -- that's why I'm still a member of the
Republican Party. I'm trying (against huge odds) to get the party away
from the extreme far right fringe dwellers an back to what it should be.I know you quoted this before, and I am re-quoting because Barry
Goldwater said it SO well an SO correctly: "Do not associate my name with
anything you do. You are extremists, and you've hurt the Republican party
much more than the Democrats have." For Goldwater (who established
conservatism on the then-far right fringes of the political spectrum) to make
that type of comment, the people about whom he was speaking had to be truly
extreme far-right fringe dwellers. He was right (and correct).
Mary knocks it out of the park again.
As the Blame Someone Else rhetoric becomes time worn, Obama sycophants try to
deflect attention away from the poor performance of the president by focusing on
Mitt Romney. Many voters, myself included, have buyers remorse at voting for
@Furry1993Ogden, UTRemember -- This is the same group
that NOW calls Barry Goldwater [i.e., Reagan's mentor] a RINO!
@JoeCapitalist2 9:00 a.m. July 25, 2014Furry1993: "...George
Romney (unlike his son Mitt) was an honest and ethical man."I
find it funny that you and others on this forum would never vote for Mitt
because you don't think he is honest, yet you had no trouble voting for the
most dishonest president this country may have ever seen. Time and time again,
Obama has been caught red-handed telling the American people a bag of lies to
promote his ideology, yet you give him a complete pass on all of them.If you dislike Mitt's policies...fine. If you like Obama's...fine.
But at least be honest about why you support one and not the other. It has
NOTHING to do with personal integrity.---------------------One problem with your comment. I didn't vote for Obama. I wrote in Jon
Huntsman, Jr., the only decent and capable candidate in the whole 2012 election
process. It's truly sad that he was too moderate and reasonable to get
through the nomination process. Huntsman could have beaten Obama.
@Whittling Whistler"The African Americans that I know are usually
offended when people pretend that the movement to give tax money to homosexuals
is related to the real Civil Rights movement that the Romney's were
involved in. "African Americans who oppose equal rights for gays
would probably be offended since the implicit assertion in the comparison is
that they're hypocrites for opposing it.
The fact that liberals love him, makes we even more worried about politicians
like George Romney.Just to be clear I didn't vote for Mitt
Romney because he claimed to be a conservative. He was the less liberal of the
two candidates.Why do we need to be like Europe where the choice is
Communist on the left and Socialist on the right. That is what they do.
Candidates like George Romney are just that. You can choose the Uber liberal in
the Democrat party or the moderate liberal in the Republican party. Either way
the destination is the same.Hopefully somebody realizes that the US
needs 2 candidates that represent 2 distinct points of view, not just 2 versions
of the same collectivist goal.
The media and the public get too caught up in special interest positions rather
than electing the person who is most qualified to be the leader of the largest
organization in the western hemisphere. We had the opportunity to elect the most
qualified administrator to ever choose to be a candidate for the Presidency.
Instead, we elected a man who is the least capable man to ever lead this
country. Now we are seeing the fruits of that choice. The last year has been an
utter disaster as Obama botches opportunity after opportunity in foreign affairs
and domestic issues. Fortunately, even the media is joining the rest of the
country with a bad case of "buyer's remorse". I realize that it
probably won't happen, but Mitt will be needed in 2016 more than ever!
JoeCapitalist2Orem, UTIf you dislike Mitt's
policies...fine. If you like Obama's...fine. But at least be honest about
why you support one and not the other. It has NOTHING to do with personal
integrity.9:00 a.m. July 25, 2014======== I
did not vote for Barrack Obama either time.last election I voted for
Republican Jon H. Huntsman Jr for President.I "support" him
because he is THE President of the United States.Just like I did GW Bush,
who I personally dispised.This is why I loathe the GOP trashing the
President.It's hurting the Country.And as a military veteran, I
will fight and defend the United States -- regardless of who's the
President.If you want to destroy America -- I will fight you all
tooth and nail.If you have better Ideas, put them out there.If
they win the majority of the vote, then we go forward.If not, fall in
Furry1993: "...George Romney (unlike his son Mitt) was an honest and ethical
man."I find it funny that you and others on this forum would
never vote for Mitt because you don't think he is honest, yet you had no
trouble voting for the most dishonest president this country may have ever seen.
Time and time again, Obama has been caught red-handed telling the American
people a bag of lies to promote his ideology, yet you give him a complete pass
on all of them.If you dislike Mitt's policies...fine. If you
like Obama's...fine. But at least be honest about why you support one and
not the other. It has NOTHING to do with personal integrity.
This does sound like a Romney I might have voted for. I wish I had seen more of
these qualities in the Romney who ran in 2012. In many respects I feel what I
saw was the polar opposite.
After leaving the Governor's chair and making his first run for President
in 2008, his shift to the right on signature issues like abortion, gun control,
and immigration had both the left and the right wondering which was the real
Mitt Romney. He went from being a Governor with broad based support to being a
Presidential candidate in search of a base.
@Pianoman 5:53 p.m. July 24, 2014Mitt is still better than Barrack
Obama.---------------------You've got that
backward. In truth, the reverse is true. Bad a Obama is, an there's not
much he does that I like, Romney would have been infinitely worse.
Mitt only proved time and time again that he didn't have a single concrete
belief or opinion other than he would do or say anything to be elected.This hurt him.No one knew what he even stood for.
Maybe Romney the elder believed something that Romney Jr can not.That government can be a force for good and needed change in people's
lives. Romney Sr apparently experienced some of life's hardships, and saw
inequality for what it was - unfair. He seemed to work to change things for the
everyday man and woman of the country and the state that he governed.Romney the younger never experienced true depravation. Metaphorically, he was
born on second base and thought he hit a double. Now he is clever, and
apparently quite able in his ability to manage a business and turn a buck.
However, this does not necessarily translate into a good national leader.Empathy is sometimes learned, but almost always experienced. Romney Jr
has done his good works, but just does not seem to understand that our
government can uplift people's lives. His solutions for problems in this
country were not plausible, and he was turned down by the majority for good
@Whittling WhistlerLehi, UT... anti-mormon like liberals. 9:28 p.m. July 24, 2014======== Ouch!Do
you know how offensive that is?How does "anti-mormon like
conservatives" sound?Liberal, Mormon - and proud of it.
These nostalgic looks back in time with the hint of what might have been really
don't serve any useful purpose. I correctly guessed that the American
people were going to vote for a Democrat. I sold my USA real estate in 2008,
paid down my debts and moved a retirement account to China. We will never know
if a Romney would have made a good president, but we know that Obama
didn't. The question is if the American people have had their fill of what
we have. They haven't. We will be stuck with the Democratic
machine's next pick. If Hillary agrees to be the progressive's puppet
we may have a woman as president. And it will be four more years of "What
difference does it make."
My guess is that George Romney resents being used as a cudgel for beating up on
his son, who learned about politics at the feet of his father, who served
Haitian immigrants and Cambodian refugees as a bishop and stake president, who
donates millions of dollars to charitable cases, and who taught his five sons by
example to get their hands dirty helping others clean up their homes after
wildfires and helping disabled people. When the teenage daughter of one f
Mitt's business partners went missing in New York, he shut down the company
and took all the employees from Boston to New York to look for her, offering a
reward for information and getting the word ut through their clients, like
Staples. They found her and saved her life. Mitt has done more to help other
people with his personal resources than all the critics who wrote this article
and criticized him.
The African Americans that I know are usually offended when people pretend that
the movement to give tax money to homosexuals is related to the real Civil
Rights movement that the Romney's were involved in. I would hope that
George would be as intelligent as Mitt, and would see through the propaganda
wars. Martin Luther King did, reportedly, say that George would make a good
President. MLK wasn't an anti-mormon like liberals. I think Mitt could have
been one of the best Presidents America has seen, but, sadly, too many Americans
believe the bigotry promoted by activists, liberals, and even some
conservatives. Our Country is now headed down under a President who does too
little, too late, and then lies about it.
" McCain is a RINO without a spine."Every decent person in
the Republican Party is a RINO, and therefore shunned by the Republican Base.That's why you don't find many decent people running for
office with Republican credentials.The Republican Party took a hard
Right Turn during the Reagan era . . . toward evil.The Germans did
the same thing in the 1930's.It didn't work out well for
them, and it hasn't worked well for us either.
@There You Go Again:The dictionary can be your friend. The word
"fear" has multiple meanings that depend on context. Try this one on for
size from M-W Online: "fear: to have a reverential awe of ". I think
it's the right word. There seem to be two prevalent attitudes about God in
Utah: some pretend he is their best buddy, and others despise him. I think
"fear God" strikes the right balance.
I wish I could agree with many of the democrats and liberals posting here, but I
can't. What needs to be understood is that today's climate is very
polar and the days of moderate Republicans and conservative Democrats are dying.
Both parties make demands and have ideologies and absolutely refuse to
compromise. In this political environment what did people expect? Of course Mitt
was going to try and pander to the Tea Party and Republican base. If he
hadn't he would have lost by a much larger margin. If he had run on
principle as so many of you suggest, he would have lost that base and the tea
partiers, and yes I'm saying the GOP is a lot less G today.However, lets not pretend like either party is truly "representative of
the people" anymore. Anyone who believes that corruption and dishonesty
don't exist equally on both sides of the aisle need to spend some
"quality" time in Washington. Lets not pretend the Democratic Party has
anyone currently equal to FDR...or even JFK for that matter ("ask not what
your country can do for you"...not today's Democratic Party).
Aside from his distain for the poor, and endless flip-flopping...The difference between Mitt Romney the politician, and his Father George
Romney the politician...George was genuine, and was man of integrity
-- through and through.He said is what he believe, regardless of people
wanted to hear.Mitt played to whatever crowd he was in front of.And could be on 2 sides of any issue in the very same day.
Mitt is still better than Barrack Obama.
Republicans used to be a party of ideas instead of a party of ideology and
'no'. Still, this article feels a bit like DN is still carrying a
I not only would have voted for George Romney, I would have actively supported
him an campaigned for him. From everything I've seen, George Romney
(unlike his son Mitt) was an honest and ethical man. He (again unlike his
aforenamed son) would have been an excellent President. The country was
ill-served when he was denied the opportunity to serve.@Joan Watson
9:14 a.m. July 24, 2014 -- "Perhaps future opines and editorials will bemoan
the fact that good men and true, capable of great leadership and guidance, were
not elected president." That would make a good article. Unfortunately,
neither the Republicans nor the Democrats have done that since Harry Truman.
Certainly, none of the people nominated since Truman have been good men and
true, and the country has been extremely fortunate that the defeated candidates
in the last few election cycles were in fact defeated (great leadership and
guidance were nowhere to be found in their character, temperament or actions).
George Romney was the exception to the rule -- he WAS one of the "good men
and true, capable of great leadership and guidance" who has run for
president in my lifetime. I wish he had been elected.
This is probably also closer to the type of politician leader that Mitt Romney
wanted to be (more moderate) than todays political parties will allow to be in
office. I would have voted for Mitt except for the pledge to cut
more taxes. I just could not accept that. What ever happened to the ideal of
paying your bills and not borrowing. That includes war expenses. If we paid
them rather than borrow the money and never feeling the pain caused by these
wars, we would be better off.
Unfortunately there would be no party (at least at a national level) for a man
like George Romney today. He would never survive the Republican primary process
due to his support of civil rights and his religious convictions would kill him
in the Democratic primaries. We get the presidents that we deserve.
We have set up a system that is controlled by special (moneyed) interests. We
have allowed the most extreme elements on both sides of the aisle to control
access to the nomination process. Americans in general are too
busy/lazy/confused to actively research the candidates. If you want to
understand who is responsible for the slow collapse of the greatness of the
United States of America, look in the mirror.
Progressives like this author like to point out how "extreme" the
republican party has become, but fail to demonstrate the particular policies
that are extreme. How exactly are conservatives who support the TEA party
extreme?This piece is merely an attempt by a progressive to portray
herself as a moderate, but I doubt she would ever vote for a conservative.
@ Deseretina"The apple seems to have fallen from the tree, then picked
up and tossed."Really? How??Mitt built his own business,
donated large sums to education and charities (see Obama's donations),
gives freely of his time to serve others in his church calling, understands the
economy, is a model of success as a good father and husband.I am
never amazed to see the lies people try to pass on these types of forums.
Obama's strategy was simple: paint Mitt as an out of touch elitist and
promise ignorant people free stuff, and it worked, he got re-elected and
everybody loss. Look at the polls where Obama is today. Please don't buy
into CNN or even Fox News. They exist for ratings and making stories out of
Does anybody really thing that Gorge would have survived in today's
political culture? I completely understand why somebody would want to vote
against a republican party to day. Unfortunately that is exactly that attitude
that got us the failure that we have now in the White house. I feel that by
Obama's second term it was painfully obvious the direction we were going.
That vote wasn't nearly as hard as the McCain/Palin run because I think
that McCain is a RINO without a spine. I do believe that Mit does have a spine
and could have corrected the course. The only thing that will correct it now is
that We the voters suck it up and vote for the candidate that will do what is
best for the country, and not the one that will promise us more stuff.
I don't think George Romney or Ronald Reagan could get the Republican
Nomination these days. There would be a chorus of people calling them RINOs -
Republican In Name Only. I suspect things are going to have to get worse before
the Party returns to the Big Tent tradition.
Growing up I imagined what I considered to be the genius of our system of
government -- like a pendulum it would swing back and forth from right to left,
but the overall effect would be movement towards a common middle ground. Sadly,
a "no compromise" attitude has taken over. While no one was 100% happy,
the country worked, progress was made. Today politicians would rather watch the
country burn than compromise in the least.George Romney was one of
those few politicians who did what was right in spite of official positions
taken by his party or even his church. (Apostle Delbert Stapley wrote Romney,
telling him to toe the official church line and oppose civil rights. Romney
instead did what was right and continued to fight for equality.) Such a man
could never get party sanction today as there is no room for discussion or
compromise. (Different issues today, of course. But bucking the part in one
area is not allowed.)
"George Romney, it appears, belonged to a dying establishment who were
schooled in our civic traditions and thus had good "habits of the
heart.'"EXACTLYIn other words, today's
"Conservatives" are a horribly corrupted and disfigured representation
of real Conservatives from back in the day when public service meant public
service, and NOT exploiting the poor and Middle Class so the rich can get
richer.The Elder Romney would NOT have dismissed the 47 percent as
being unworthy of attention.
I was a little surprised that there were actually people who still cling to, and
even believe, some of the anti-Mitt propaganda. I thought that was just Liberal
Anyone who would vote for Obama over ANY Romney is crazy...
Re:FatherofFourRomney ran against all of that.Mitt opposed
same-sex marriage and anything akin to it. He said he favored civil rights for
LGBT people, but didn't even believe in civil unions if they differed from
marriage in name only.MA Congress passed an assault weapons ban,
Romney signed it. He then campaigned on other measures in the bill/law that
extended gun rights and has stated repeatedly he doesn't believe we need
more gun laws. Romney opposed a national health care plan--even if
it was based on Romneycare.
Blue: "What does it say about the state of today's GOP that Mitt is
still the only person they've got who seems even remotely to be
presidential material?"With Obama, Hillary, and Harry seeming to
be the best the Democratic party can offer, I think you are throwing stones from
your glass house.Let's face it, none of the liberals commenting
here would have one good thing to say about George Romney if he were alive and
running today against Hillary in 2016. This article would likewise probably be
full of all the negative things that could be said about him.The
political landscape is so caustic that no one of real integrity is interested in
the job anymore.
Sure, George Romney was a good man.But, wow. The
comments above trashing Mitt Romney show just how uneducated the majority of
voters were about him. Sadly, score one for the liberal 'mainstream'
media.I researched Mitt Romney for almost 5 years. Did you?I found 28 separate qualifications Mitt Romney had to be our President,
and not one of them came from some creampuff Deseret News article.I'm not saying the man walks on water. He doesn't. And, in his
humility and honesty, Mitt Romney has often said the same thing.However, Mitt Romney was hands down the best Presidential candidate, both in
2008 and 2012 and none of the other guys even came close, and that includes the
guy in the White House now. Humble? Hard-working? Honest? Charitable? Yes, to
all of those and many, many more.The truth is sitting there in front
of you if you really want to see it.
Good article! I believe that Mormons inherently should be a lot more
politically moderate than they seem. Every group has group-think and if Mormons
truly work at caring about all sides of an issue, and all sides of people,
they'll moderate right out.
Karen R.,“My vote in 2012 had little to do with either
Presidential candidate. My vote was against the Republican Party - or what
passes for it these days. I worried that the extremists that have hijacked the
party would see a win as further encouragement and I was so relieved when the
rebuke came instead….”______________________________That makes two of us. Once upon a time, I was always ready to vote for a good
Republican over a bad Democrat. These days, I can’t even consider that
until the Republican Party is ready to blow the accumulated soot out of its
@Blue, ECR, Karen R., LDS Liberal, FatherOfFour, liberal larry, Irony Guy,Thank you for taking the time to offer your opinions.I agree
with your point if view.@popsThank you for taking the
time to offer your opinion.I don't agree with your comment
about fear.Teach our children to fear Heavenly Father?Never.Teach our children to love Heavenly Father.Always.Teach our children to show by example our love for Heavenly
Father by obeying him.Always.I do agree with your
opinion about courtesy and respect.Treat others with courtesy and
respect, rather than with insults and incivility.Always.
“The one fellow I don’t want to run against is [George] Romney. That
guy could be tough....You have to be a little suspicious of somebody as good as
Romney. No vices whatsoever, no smoking and no drinking. Imagine someone we know
going off for twenty-four hours to fast and meditate, awaiting a message from
the Lord whether or not to run.”- John F. Kennedy(From
The Pleasure of His Company, Paul Fay Jr.’s 1966 memoir of his friendship
with President Kennedy.)
Although I like Mitt, he is not his father. I do not think there is anyone quite
like George Romney. An example of his kind, charitable heart: no matter where he
was or what he was doing, he made sure that his wife, Lenore, received a rose
each day of their married life. Being age 77 and in the twilight of my life, I
consider him to be my hero and my own Dad a close second. Too bad Mitt is not
more like his father, although he has some of his traits, but not enough,
I'm afraid. Had he have been willing to do some of the things his father
did, he would have won the presidency election in a landslide. Just my opinion,
I believe in Mitt Romney's abilities to lead. When he became head of a
bruised 2002 SLC Olympic committee he inherited a dysfunctional organization and
he had to deal with the aftermath of 9/11 (2001). He did not demand a salary
nor did he lead from behind. He was front and center and he inspired the league
of Olympic volunteers--I was an Olympic volunteer. He and his team came up with
creative ways to involve the Olympic volunteers, who, for the most part were
busy students, fathers, mothers, and professional people with time constraints.
I have read, that as governor of Massachusetts, neither Mitt nor his lieutenant
governor commanded a salary. He lives to serve. He is transparent. He knows
history (for example, what did Mitt say about Russia during the last
presidential election debates that Obama soundly ridiculed, but that alas, has
come to pass?) He is a family man. He is real and not perfect. But, he admits
his imperfections. Mitt would not retreat to fund raising, golf, and vacations
while the country (and the world) "burned."
As if to prove an old adage by being the exception that proves the rule Mitt is
clearly the apple that fell a long long way from the tree.
Romney even stood up to pressure from the church. He seemed a man of integrity.
Growing up in Michigan and meeting Gov. Romney on several occasions he seemed to
be everything the author writes about. He was respected by all segments of
those he governed and he did have the courage to take a stand within his own
political party. The election was Mitt's for the taking but he ran to
right and cuddled with the right wing extremist (T-Party) and that sealed his
fate. Outside of small segments of our society politicans like Cruz, Lee, and
Palin have no mass appeal in our country. One other note, Mitt was not a
sucessful or popular one term Govenor. He left office with an approval rating
in the mid 30's as he back tracked (Obama critics call these lies) on many
commitments he made to the public. His Dad was always what he said he was and
that's one trait his son never seemed to acquire.
"It reminds me of the way Republicans used to be."My
sentiments exactly. Those were the days when I voted mostly Republican and was
proud of it.Today, when I occasionally vote GOP, I am too
embarrassed to admit it.I hope that the GOP of old returns some day.
I will be there with open arms.
As smart as Mitt is he is being used by the Republican Party. Sure Mitt is a
likeable guy and he may have a following but he has no down to earth experience.
The Republicans are endorsing Mitt because he can afford to spend his own money
on another Presidential run. If they can persuade him to do it they will save
millions of dollars. I sure hope he does not get sucked into their ugly web. Mitt don't be fooled by the Republican Party. They are using you!
The "apple does not fall far from the tree" The fact is, George Romney
would not have become president of the U.S. because the majority would not have
voted for him - just as the majority did not vote for his son, Mitt Romney.
Perhaps future opines and editorials will bemoan the fact that good men and
true, capable of great leadership and guidance, were not elected president
Re:FatherofFourWho was Mitt? Romney ran against all of that.Mitt opposed same-sex marriage and anything akin to it. He said he
favored civil rights for LGBT people, but didn't even believe in civil
unions if they differed from marriage in name only.MA Congress
passed an assault weapons ban, Romney signed it. He then campaigned on other
measures in the bill/law that extended gun rights and has stated repeatedly he
doesn't believe we need more gun laws. Romney opposed a
national health care plan--even if it was based on Romneycare.
Good op-ed piece. So much more that could be said.
It's been a few days so another Romney article was due.Is he
the other GOP candidate worth talking about? What about Chris Christie, Jeb
Bush, Rick Bush Perry, Sarah Palin, and Pastor Huckabee? Oh, yes, I
agree. Let's stick with Romney! He's a far better candidate than the
I too could've voted for George, and it's a tragedy that his
truth-telling about Vietnam gave us Nixon instead. What a contrast
with Mitt, who believes that "47%" of us are irredeemably irresponsible,
including, for example, my 91 year old mom who worked her heart out all her life
and is now in her frailty getting a little help from Social Security and
Medicare. In Mitt's book, that makes her an irresponsible moocher.
That's why I could have gladly voted for the dad but NEVER for the son.
Excellent editorial.It reminds me of the way Republicans used to
be.My conservative Republican father never saw a school bond he
didn't vote for, he was a strict Catholic but believed in evolution, he
viewed gays as a "live and let live" issue, and once after looking at
all the houses on what used to be old growth forests he conceded, "maybe
those environmentalists are on to something".In other words he
was thoughtful, open minded, and believed in the power of a well run government
to help people.
Mitt Romney wasn't a bad governor himself. If he had run on his record as
governor instead of running away from it I would have voted for him myself.
Under Mitt, Massachusetts became the first state to allow marriage equality.
Mitt later campaigned on this fact with the Log Cabin Republicans (a republican
LGBT group) and he received their endorsement in 2012. Mitt also passed the
largest, most sweeping, and longest standing assault weapons ban in the country.
Not to mention the fact that Obamacare was directly modeled on the health care
plan Romney established in Massachusetts. Romney stated in his book that his
plan should be used as a model for the nation, and had three advisers from the
Romney staff work with President Obama to help build Obamacare.
How do we foster people like George Romney?It's next to
impossible in our current political environment. Those willing to run for office
have to endure all kinds of insults and abuse. Look what happened to Mitt, who
happens to be a decent person. (If you don't know Mitt personally, you have
no way of sorting through the garbage that is said about him.) We will never
have candidates like George Romney until we all become more like George
Romney.That means raising children in a home with a mother and a
father should be the rule rather than the exception - not in a broken home, an
"alternative" home, or in a daycare center. That means we need to teach
our children to fear God and obey his commandments, rather than to pick and
choose which values are convenient and to ignore the rest. That means we should
treat others with courtesy and respect, rather than with insults and
incivility.That we lack candidates of the caliber of George Romney
is a symptom of a problem, not the root problem.
The apple seems to have fallen from the tree, then picked up and tossed.
God Bless YOU Mary Barker, for yet another fantastic article!This
echoed my feeling precisely.This was the Romney I could have fully
supported!It is also precisely why had high hopes of his Son Mitt,
as Governor of Massachusetts, but championed AGAINST him tooth and nail,
when he flip-flopped 180 when he ran for President. What was that anyway?Tea-Publican Mitt was the 100% polar opposite antithesis of his good
Father -- GEORGE!
My vote in 2012 had little to do with either Presidential candidate. My vote
was against the Republican Party - or what passes for it these days. I worried
that the extremists that have hijacked the party would see a win as further
encouragement and I was so relieved when the rebuke came instead.In
the SSM debate, opponents speak of being bullied into silence. I think this is
the case for moderate Republicans and conservative Democrats. Reason,
pragmatism, service to the country rather than to one's ideology -
they've been bullied into a corner and it is costing us.
"An astute businessman, he could nevertheless see beyond his own class and
profession. He recognized, for example, that the world favors power and
privilege as well as merit. Thus, he eschewed the easy association of wealth
with virtue and recognized that not everyone pursues the former. He combined a
mind for business with a passion for social justice."Such a
great essay. The statement quoted above, in a nutshell, describes what made
George Romney so different from his son. Neither of them reach the highest
office in the land but it's not hard to determine which one will leave the
brightest star in future history books.
What does it say about the state of today's GOP that Mitt is still the only
person they've got who seems even remotely to be presidential material?