So, out of 12 teams Utah is picked to finish 10th, I honestly believe Utah is
better than that and will do better. Go Utes!
This is the year the Utes surprise a few teams and make some noise in the
Whitt should put some stock into that number, it shows the perception of the
team by those who cover football. It's a bad sign for the year to come. I
truly feel badly for the Utes and their fanbase, it's tough to endure poor
season after poor season.
Not surprising. The Utes should have stayed in the MWC where they were somewhat
of a national novelty, and were a big dog (along with the Cougars). Now
they're simply a team who seems to have gotten themselves in over their
heads, and searching for an identity. Good luck to coach Whittingham, and to the
Utes in general.
Nothing surprising about media predictions. Utes 5th and my Ducks 1st in the
North. Here's hoping Utah has a breakout year and surprises the naysayers
this season. Remember, no one predicted Auburn to win the SEC and go to the
national championship last year either. Anything is possible.GO
Getting to six wins in the regular season will be a challenge this year. The
only sure bet is the opening game. After that it's going to be tough
sledding.Idaho State at home = W.Fresno State at home = a must
W.Michigan at Ann Arbor = a likely loss, but could we replicate 2008?UCLA at the Rose Bowl = likely loss.OSU at Corvallis = a must W, but
it's been a tough place for us to play.USC at home = a must W, but
USC is coming back.ASU at Tempe = a likely loss, and ASU has had our
number since the Frank Kush days.Oregon at home = loss.Stanford in
Palo Alto = loss.Arizona at home = a must W.Colorado at Boulder = a
must W.The only sure bet is the opening game. After that, if we
beat Fresno and gain some confidence maybe Andy Phillips can channel his inner
Louie Sakota for an upset at Michigan. If that happens we might be able to pull
some other upsets. But six wins and a bowl win would be a major accomplishment
and KW would deserve to keep his job.
@FT:Are you prognosticating that we should procrastinate this
Cougar fan here... I for one will be cheering the Utes on to victory, each week
and I really hope other Cougar fans will join me. It would be a great year to
send a message to the nay-sayers that Utah is on the way back, and that the
pre-season poll was nothing but motivation for a team that has a lot of talent
and promise. Football in this state is much better with the Aggs, Utes and
Cougs picking up wins when they aren't expected to win. Go Utes! Show
'em why you are better than that number.And Go Cougars!
@ FlyerI've heard lot of Cougar fans say that Utah should have
stayed in the MWC. I don't understand that, because Utah had already hit
the ceiling, twice, in that conference. There was nothing left to prove. Now
Utah is on to bigger and better things and has an opportunity to grow it's
entire athletics program. The whole mind set can be summarized as
motivation to avoid failure vs. motivation to achieve success. In other words,
playing not to lose vs. playing to win. Right now, Utah is playing to win even
though it's the tougher road.
DuckOuttaWaterSLC , UTI enjoy your posts and welcome your
fresh point of view. Best of luck to the Ducks this year...the
likely Pac-12 Champ IMO. It will be fun to welcome the Ducks in SLC!Go Pac-12!!
Johnny Triumph "Whitt should put some stock into that number, it shows the
perception of the team by those who cover football. It's a bad sign for the
year to come. I truly feel badly for the Utes and their fanbase, it's tough
to endure poor season after poor season."You are the one who is
putting too much stock into a number. For the most part these writers miss more
than they correctly predict. However, either way, it's just something to
occupy the time before the season starts.However, don't feel
bad, or anything, for Ute fans. BYU fans have been more distressed over the
adjustment to the big time than most Ute fans. The last three years have been a
true thrill for me as a Ute fan, despite win-loss records. Our team earned
their way into the big time and if it takes longer to start winning more and get
into bowl games then that's ok. We are part of a very elite 65 university
group and that bothers a lot of those on the outside looking in.
I am a big time BYU fan but it is time to put the rivalry talk aside for a
moment.There is no way that Utah does not make it to a bowl game
this year. Travis Wilson is the most underrated quarterback that I know of. He
has had a year to learn and recover from his injury and I believe will have a
great year.Utah always has a good defense and I think most teams in
the PAC12 are going to overlook them, especially early on. Enjoy your season
Ute fans it is going to be better than the "experts" are predicting.
I agree with Natester in believing the Utes are better than the media are
predicting and I hope they are able to show it on the field. I believe the
coaching issues have been resolved and I hope the injury bug doesn't rise
up again. If those two issues are behind the team, they should be able to
surprise some folks.
Even though I'm a hardcore BYU fan, I do support any and all of our
in-state teams whenever they play out of state teams. So in that respect,
I'm like Natester in hoping Utah exceeds media predictions this season. With their very tough schedule (SOS) this year, to finish with a winning
record would say a lot and built momentum for years to come. It would also help
recruiting immensely to get back to bowl games and the national exposure they
generate. Here's to hoping our entire in-state college football
programs have exceptional seasons this year. It's fun to support and pull
for more than just one football team. And it would be great if the state of Utah
could eventually become known for it's overall competitive football
programs on a year-to-year basis.
@Stringer - They don't always get it right but usually the media is pretty
close. And I'm not putting any stock into the number, I couldn't care
much less about the state of Utah football than I do. As for the U
earning its way into the big time I'd disagree since most of the talk of
PAC inclusion (or BYU's exclusion) centers around the academics side of
things. As @TwoForFlinching unwittingly said the U hit the ceiling of the
MWC/WAC only twice, that hardly counts as earning anything. I'm sure
you'd assert BYU's National Championship season was unwarranted and a
fluke, BYU fans plus many others would say the same thing about the U's
short run of success.If losing to PAC opponents is more thrilling
than BCS busting was then I'm happy for the U fanbase. But I'll bet
that losing will get old soon. Otherwise you're on track to accept
mediocrity for years to come.
@StringBell - amusing also that you assume my comment makes me a BYU fan. Just
as you hope the media predictions prove incorrect your assumption of my
I'm pretty confused. This article is telling me that one of the voters
picked Stanford to win the PAC 12, but nobody picked them to win the Northern
Division? How does that work?
Two For Flinching and Stinger Bell...At this point, there
haven't been any BYU fans dissing the Utes on this post. None. So why are
you trying to bring BYU into this discussion in a negative way and get the
negative banter going again? For once, can't you just let such things go
and concentrate on what this article is all about... the Utes and their upcoming
season?It's pathetic in a sad sort of way that Stinger Bell
(known for his anti-BYU bias) is trying to speak for Y fans regarding how they
feel. I'm a typical BYU fan. My friends and I haven't been distressed
at all over big-time adjustments. BYU has been independent for several years and
there are currently no changes going on. We play several nationally known
programs each season and usually win a few, as well as lose a few. It's ironic that people like Stinger Bell seem to be more distressed at
trying to determine how BYU fans feel than those fans themselves are. Again, let it go and let this article be as it was intended... all about Utah
and no other local teams.
My Perspective: thank you for the kind words. I look forward to watching my
Ducks invade SLC also, though I'm a little nervous that if we win the PAC12
we will surely lose in Salt Lake (see Stanford). Lol
DuckOuttaWater,Thanks for the encouragement. Don't overlook us
on 11/08/14. See: Stanford @ RES last year.
Johnny Triumph and ObjectifiedI never claimed you were a BYU fan
nor did I state anything "anti-BYU".In addition, I generally
call out someone when they make unwarranted, ridiculous, or non fact-based
claims.Again, two undefeated seasons, two BCS Bowl invites, and two
BCS wins in the last ten years. Obviously that trumps accomplishments of over
thirty years ago that happened before any of the current players were born.
That is earning your way into the elite group. With WVU, TCU and Utah it seems
what they have done recently (as in the last ten years or so) carried the most
weight towards their inclusion.With their easy schedule BYU
hasn't come close to an undefeated season, let alone a BCS Bowl invite.
Instead they get beat by lowly Virginia. No religious bias, no Sunday play
issue just what they have done, or not done, on the field. Just because someone
responds with a fact you don't like doesn't make them anti anything.
It don't matter because we are real good and our record gets real good
every year.Go Utes!
This is were we deserve to be projected right now. UCLA will be legit. If Travis Wilson is healthy and playing up to his potential we have a
legitimate shot with Arizona, surprising AZ State, and even USC is a bit of a
question mark. Anything can happen, and that's what makes every
game in the Pac12 exciting. Can't wait for football season!
I blew the loudest horn and held the highest banner in support for the
Ute's to go to the PAC 12. I truly thought they could compete but as
history has shown that is not the case. Unfortunately, I only see three wins
this year. The hire of coach Whit's new OC was ill advised at best and
should they not have a successful season be a major reason why Coach may not be
or perhaps should not be back next year. Hind site is 20/20 but
what could have been was a MWC that included the likes of Utah, TCU, BYU, Boise
State and Utah State. To me that sounds like one heck of a good competitive
conference for our Utah Teams. No it's not a BCS conference but I can
guarantee there would be one or two "Busters" in that mix year in and
year out. Ahhh well life goes on.Go Ute's!
@ ObjectifiedMy post wasn't about BYU, at all. It was about
Utah choosing to take the tougher path instead of staying in the MWC.
I am a BYU fan and thus will not pay too much attention to the Utes this year (I
will check on the scores and possibly watch a few games, the same way I do for
most other Division I teams) but I personally wouldn't mind if the Utes
prove the polls wrong this year. The poll results are not surprising, but
preseason polls really don't mean much, if anything. What matters is what
actually happens during each game of the season. Good luck to you guys.
@Stringer - I'd hardly agree that the U's record over the past 10
years is enough to earn their way into much of anything; rollercoasters are up
and down but are never consistent.2003 10-22004 12-02005 7-52006 8-52007 9-42008 13-02009 10-32010 10-32011 8-52012 5-72013 5-7Looking at
the years before that the only notable years were a 9 win season in 1999, a 10
win season in 1994, and a 9 win season in 1964. All other seasons have been
fewer than 9 wins in that time. I hardly say that 8 seasons of 9 or more wins
in the past 50 years is earning its way into anything. Utah got lucky with the
PAC10 invite, the PAC had to expand and their first choices spurned them. That
left Utah and Colorado. Again, hardly an earned thing.Just for
kicks I looked up BYU's record. Since 1976 BYU has had 22 9+ win seasons.
And most of those seasons were playing the same competition or same caliber
opponent as the U.
I don't know about anyone else, but I am a football fan first, a BYU fan
second. This means I go to games (and used to have BYU season tickets) in order
to see good football! Good teams playing good, competitive football is hard to
beat!I didn't ever like the blowout games where one team was
playing badly. It doesn't bother me when BYU loses, so long as it is
against a worthy opponent and good football is being played. And I don't
enjoy BYU wins against weak, poor teams.That's why I envy Utah.
Independence for BYU has us still winning most games, but against whom?
That's not good football, and I am not a fan of poor football, even if
"my team" is winning, hollow victories and meaningless seasons.Meanwhile, Utah brings some great football to their fans, even if the Utes
don't have as good a record at the end of the season as does BYU - still,
the fans get to see great football, played by great teams, vying for meaningful
standings in the Conference and the National College football scene.BYU? Not so much.
Really they're not fazed, why I thought they would just quit right now and
not even suit up this year after this. Right on Objectified,
concentrate on U and you'll have less stress in your life anti's
The Utes will surprise to the upside. They're being rated too low. USA
Today's listing has them at 66, one behind University of North Texas at 65.
It's not that I think that's legitimate, but it does indicate how
out of favor with the press they've fallen in the last couple of years.
Wilson healthy, I think they find a way to win 7.
Stringer - keep the spin cycle going strong. That "10 years or so" will
soon be 11, then 12, then 'or so', and so on. What has the MUFT
(Mighty utah Football Team) done since 2008 (besides beat BYU every year-which,
given their u fan declared 'WAC status' is really no accomplishment,
right)? This year will be 7 bowl seasons since Alabama begrudgingly went to the
consolation prize bowl they had no interest in playing in.P.S. when
the Sugar Bowl trophy is 30 years old it will still be overshadowed by the only
NC football trophy in the state - and it will be 60 years old then.
I will cheer for anybody who plays the utes. 2-9 Maybe
“We don’t pay much attention to it,” Utah coach Kyle
Whittingham said at Pac-12 Football Media Days at Paramount Studios.
“Really, it’s a product of what happened last season, for the most
part, and every year is a new opportunity.”Don't believe
him. True last season provides some built-in bias in these beauty contests, but
for every improvement the Utes will claim there are countervailing improvements
in all of the 1-4 programs in the South.I'll concede that the
Utes may make it to a bowl this year, but they also may not--I'm not
impressed by the new opportunities.
sid 6.7,Really?! I can't imagine why any Utah fan would long
for the MWC. Pac 12 membership provides so many more opportunities and the
teams coming to town every year now are far superior to anything the MWC could
provide. The Utes will get back on track and I think the current coaching staff
can do it. Go Utes!!
Where is Chris B. that he is the Mighty Know Everything? Whatever!Good luck to Utah for 2014.
Of course utah says they aren't fazed by being picked 5th. Of course they
say that they are playing for 1st.What do you expect them to say?
"5th sounds pretty accurate. We don't expect to come anywhere near
winning the division. We are just playing to hold on to 5th and maybe break
through to number 4."Obviously they aren't going to say
something like that.This has nothing to do with not being fazed of
the predictions. This has to do with the fact that everybody says this on media
day.I'm not saying utah is fazed, I'm just saying that the
comments of Whittingham and Anderson and Orchard don't do anything to prove
that utah won't be fifth this year.
The prediction is sound...
Very classy comments from BYU fans. Thanks!One thought about
Utah's fans reaction to our 3 year PAC-12 record. This years (our 4th in
the conference) ticket sales: For the fourth-straight year, there was a
98-percent renewal rate for Utah football season tickets. Returning season
ticket holders also made 1,200 requests for upgrades or additional seats and 100
season tickets were sold to fans on the wait list. With more than 32,000 seats
claimed in renewals, season tickets will not go on sale to the general public at
this time, but are available with a new donation to the Crimson Club Athletic
Fund. Contact your account rep for more information. Single-game tickets will go
on sale to the general public on August 4 for all home games that have available
seats. Every game in Rice-Eccles Stadium for the last four seasons has sold out
and the average attendance for each the past six seasons has exceeded the 45,017
seating capacity. The one I want most to read and understand this is Dr.
Media predictions are worse than recruiting publications. It is understandable
why Utah would not be "picked" to finish high in their division or in
the conference so why worry about it. Coach Whittingham has a great approach to
rankings and media predictions. Take it one game at a time and let your play on
the field do your talking. Like they say, you cant win November games in
September. As for the Pac 12 Champion, it better be Stanford again.
Oregon, with all due respect to the Duck guy, is just too corporate. I hate
that. The biggest improvement will be from WA Huskies. I dont
necessarily like the team but I have high regard for their new coach. They came
out on top with the change of coaches last year. Lastly, I pick
Arizona and Michigan as upset teams for Utah this year.
Ekute: I think you got the Ducks attention in the first half last year. There
are no easy games in the PAC12, you can't overlook anyone I think
that's what we're all learning (well except maybe Cal & Colo,
those are just bad programs right now).
"The one I want most to read and understand this is Dr. Hill!"Because I'm sure he didn't know that already. I don't care who
you are. That's just funny.
Utah has a lot to prove, so being picked 10th sounds about right.Not
worried about the defense. We were 4-2 last year including a win over PAC-12
Champion #10 Stanford before Wilson injured his hand, 1-5 afterwards. So it all
depends on the new OC and keeping a healthy QB. IMO Oregon will be
the PAC-12 champ and make it to the title game. Looking forward to the
playoffs: #1 Oregon vs #4 Ohio State#2 Alabama vs #
OklahomaFSU with a weak SOS will be outside looking in. Go UTES!
Sorry folks, Utah is going to have to do much better this season to be seriously
considered as a contender going forward. To the rest of the PAC, sub 500
seasons does not get much respect.
When you play big boy football, nothing is given to you. I didn't expect
anything different. 4th toughest schedule in America and we haven't shown
we can beat anyone consistently except BYU. To be considered a great program, we
have to beat the tough teams half the time. The PAC 12 is tough and there is
never a week off. The fans want a championship but will settle this year for a
bowl. Kyle is on the hot seat. I'm excited to see this new offense. Even
if it is 75% of what Dave did in Missouri, the offense will score 30 points a
game and it will be up to our defense to stop someone. 6-6 is my projection.With 98% renewal and a long waiting list, every game will be sold out
again for the 5th year in a row. We are living on hope but the fans are still
showing up. All the new people moving to Utah are adopting the Utes as their
team. Us lonely Utah fans are showing up big time. Can't wait for the new
expansion in a few years.
FTsalt lake city, UTIf the procrastinators are correct ...---------The prognosticators, you mean?
@Schwa"but nobody picked them to win the Northern Division? How does
that work?"Actually if you look at the breakdown of votes for
each team, you will see that 2 voters picked Stanford to win the North.
Johnny TriumphAmerican Fork, UTWhitt should put some stock
into that number, it shows the perception of the team by those who cover
football. It's a bad sign for the year to come.-------While I will agree that Utah is not a very good team right now, I disagree
with the premise of your statement.No, no coach should put any stock
in any of the media voting or predictions. The media vote is merely an
expectation based on last year's results and some personnel assessment of
this year's team -- which is to say, it's based on nothing
relevant.In 2012 USC (preseason AP #1) was picked to WIN the P12.
They finished 5th at 7-6.In 2012 Oregon State (preseason unranked)
was picked to finish 11th in the conference ahead of only Colorado. They
finished 3rd behind only Oregon and Stanford at (#20) 9-4.In 2012,
Utah was picked to finish #2 in the South, getting one first-place vote, and 4th
in the conference behind USC, Oregon and Stanford. Utah finished 9th at 5-7.So please, let's not go off acting like this media vote really
FlyerSt. George, UTNot surprising. The Utes should have stayed
in the MWC where they were somewhat of a national novelty.--------Nope. That's the mentality of BYU fans who remain
locked outside of relevant football... or one particular Y fan who consistently
posts here how grateful he is NOT to be in a P5, for fear of being pummeled
every week. That's embarrassing.I couldn't care less how
many last place votes Utah may get, I would still rather be in the Pac 12 than
in the amateur night MWC. Utah has already dominated that scene and achieved its
highest level. The only way to go is up to the next level, even if it means
Outside View: "As for the Pac 12 Champion, it better be Stanford again.
Oregon, with all due respect to the Duck guy, is just too corporate. I hate
that. "Duly noted. But with all due respect, CFB is becoming
"corporate" and either you keep up or die off. Like it or not
that's the way it is. Phil Knight is the reason it looks corporate at
Oregon. Would you mind if he were a Utah graduate and poured Nike money into the
79UteOrange County, CAI agree with your schedule assessment.
It's gonna be tough to find six wins. We just need to hope Utah takes a few
of the close games that they lost last year and they could make it.That, and of course, not losing any of the ones we should win.
Two For FlinchingSalt Lake City, UT@ FlyerI've
heard lot of Cougar fans say that Utah should have stayed in the MWC. I
don't understand that, because Utah had already hit the ceiling, twice, in
that conference. There was nothing left to prove. Now Utah is on to bigger and
better things and has an opportunity to grow it's entire athletics program.
---------Cougar fans don't understand that because
they've never accomplished what Utah has in that conference. BYU rejoining
the MWC would still have new territory to achieve there. Utah would not.
1978Salt Lake City, UTI am a big time BYU fan but it is time to put
the rivalry talk aside for a moment.There is no way that Utah does
not make it to a bowl game this year. ----------Thanks
for your remarks. I wish I could believe you, though.I think Utah
has a small shot at six wins. But I'm not nearly as confident as you
are.Good luck to your team!
Johnny TriumphAmerican Fork, UTThe only thing I can surmise
about BYU fans like you is that you just don't understand. Probably because
BYU never topped out in the MWC. Doing that twice four seasons apart is an
accomplishment, no matter how hard you try to dismiss it.You
don't understand the concept of aspiring to do something better, being
something better. Because that's all Utah fans are saying on this issue. We
would rather TRY and achieve success on the game's highest level... than be
stuck in a nobody conference where 9, 10 and 11 wins mean hardly anything. We
cracked the BCS twice and won both times. Where did it get us?Yes,
those were fun seasons. But after you go down the big waterslide a couple times,
it starts to lose its luster. And you want to tackle a bigger waterslide.Only thing I can guess is that BYU fans don't understand that
apparently because they haven't gone down the waterslide even once yet.
2011 8-52012 5-72013 5-7Considering Utah's
atrocious luck with QB health, a mere one game each of these years changes a
lot. In 2011 it'd mean going to the PAC-12 championship game their first
season (albeit due to USCs sanctions), in 2012 and 2013 it'd mean going to
a bowl game.
sid 6.7Holladay, UTHind site is 20/20 but what could have been
was a MWC that included the likes of Utah, TCU, BYU, Boise State and Utah State.
To me that sounds like one heck of a good competitive conference for our Utah
Teams.--------It's interesting how the perspective
of the Utah and BYU fan bases differs.Sid, it's understandable
why this conference is appealing to you. But you need to understand that it does
not appeal to Utah fans -- because no matter how good that lineup may be,
it's not better than the Pac 12 we have now. TCU, Boise, Utah State and BYU
are NOT as appealing as Oregon, Stanford, UCLA and USC. It's just not and
never will.If BYU was in the Pac 12, you would also scoff at the
idea of "what could have been" in the MWC... because it pales terribly
from what you already have in the Pac.No Utah fan is remotely
interested in any MWC, no matter who's in it.
@PAC12Fan - time to get a new stadium, 45k seats is not up to snuff. I hope the
U can generate enough funds to build a new stadium, not expand the current one,
and seat 60k+ fans. The U has done well filling 45k for a mostly commuter
school but it's time to ramp the effort and expand the fan base. Keep
increasing the # of season ticket holders and then fill up the joint with either
a student pass ticket or increased single game tickets.
Johnny TriumphAmerican Fork, UT@Stringer - I'd hardly agree
that the U's record over the past 10 years is enough to earn their way into
much of anything; rollercoasters are up and down but are never consistent.2003 10-22004 12-02005 7-52006 8-52007 9-42008 13-02009 10-32010 10-32011 8-52012 5-72013
5-7-------LOL! That stretch between 2003 and 2012 is the
very definition of consistent... save for the anomaly of 2007.Your
attempt at minimizing Utah's success over the last decade is ludicrous.
Meanwhile, your team hasn't even come close to matching what Utah has
done.Not. Even. Close.So, you minimize Utah... you
REALLY minimize BYU.Enjoy that.
Wow.10th place among 12 teams.Still happy about being in
the PAC-12?....I mean, don't tell the Utes about this article.
Their fans still think they're one of the "elite" teams in America.
Old But Not StupidMoorpark, CAI'll concede that the Utes
may make it to a bowl this year, but they also may not.--------You should be a professional prognosticator.LOL
@Tomahawk - Of course Whitt isn't going to say publicly that he agrees with
the media assessment, no coach would. But I sure hope he's looking at that
ranking and trying to figure out how to right the ship, otherwise his job will
end. And we're all hoping that the U can prove this wrong, that
they'll outperform. @Tomahawk - my comment was in response to
someone else saying the U had earned the right to play in the PAC, but clearly
the history just hasn't been there. Major power programs have decades of
success to fall back on, not a handful of years of success in the past decades.
And you're yet another poster who assumes I'm a BYU fan. Just because
I'm critical of the U doesn't make me a BYU fan. I'm out for
good football and the U just hasn't been there. BYU has had success but
they've got work to do as well.
Johnny TriumphAmerican Fork, UT@Tomahawk - Of course Whitt
isn't going to say publicly that he agrees with the media assessment, no
coach would. But I sure hope he's looking at that ranking and trying to
figure out how to right the ship, otherwise his job will end.--------You've got to be joking. Right?Do you
seriously think Whittingham isn't already fully aware that he needs to
right the ship this season? You think he just barely looked at the media vote
today and thought, "whoa, I may need to turn this around." Come on!I can't seriously believe that there's any
possibility you're that ignorant.Whittingham is well aware of
discontent among Ute fans and administrators about the team's losing over
the last two years. It doesn't take a 10th place media vote to wake him up
to that fact.
@Tomahawk - I don't know what you mean by anomaly of 2007. I see 5 sub
9-win seasons in that list. And only 22 8+ win seasons in the history of the
program. Leaving BYU out of it I see 54 8+ win seasons in USC's history
and 8 of the past 10 seasons (9 if you count the vacated season). So if
we're talking consistency then let's be realistic and not talk halfway
there. The U has had some good years but they need more than 5-7 seasons to
show they're any good and that they're consistent.
Y ask Y"I didn't ever like the blowout games where one team
was playing badly. It doesn't bother me when BYU loses, so long as it is
against a worthy opponent and good football is being played. And I don't
enjoy BYU wins against weak, poor teams.That's why I envy Utah.
Independence for BYU has us still winning most games, but against whom?
That's not good football, and I am not a fan of poor football, even if
"my team" is winning, hollow victories and meaningless seasons."Great comment. Most Y fans I know feel the same, though its strange to
see such a rational comment on these boards. Here's one Ute
fan that hopes BYU gets invited to the Big 12 at some point. It would be great
for football in the state, and great for Y fans to see some exciting an
meaningful football every week. Best of luck this season! In that one
challenging game you have ;)
@ BleedCougarBlueVery happy about being in the PAC 12. Still happy
being the Nomad of college football? That auto-bid vs. the American Conference
Champ in the Beach Blanket Bingo Bowl has to Rock.
A Cougar fan here predicting the Utes finish higher--2nd or 3rd in the division,
if Wilson is healthy all year.
Utah getting into the PAC12 is a major coup, even if it takes a few years to get
your feet under you. I said from year 1 that Utah will contend for the
conference championship within 3 years. That didn't happen. But my belief
was based on the fact that for a number of years prior to the invitation MWC
teams were mostly beating PAC10 teams head to head (except for USC who
dominated). Therefore I thought Utah would have winning seasons in that
conference. I think there has been a surge in PAC12 quality since then, so Utah
has had a tougher time of it. As a BYU fan I am man enough to admit
I am envious of Utah's admission into the PAC, and I think with 2 BCS bowl
wins they deserved it. I don't know why any Ute fan (or BYU fan) would
consider going back to the MWC. Even though they had some quality teams, the
commissioner and his management was a joke! I have a lot of respect
for Coach W and his team. The Ute fans who feel the need to denigrate BYU on
every BYU article?--not so much.
@MyPerspective"This is the year the Utes surprise a few teams and make
some noise in the Pac-12."That noise you hear is the Utes'
hopes and dreams of a post-season bowl game fizzling out after about game 5 or
Granted, I am a BYU fan, but Whittingham has been a great coach. It is only a
matter of time before the Utes have a breakout season and begin to trend better.
Hopefully this year. I always want Utah to do well, unless they are competing
against BYU. We all know that the Utes have been doing poorly in the PAC 12,
but play well against BYU. That too will change.
My two favorite teams are BYU and whoever Utah is playing.
@ Tomahawk Red:Your invidious comments toward BYU and it's fans
is the exact type of thing that earlier comments by BYU fans were hoping to
avoid. Sadly, some people apparently can't help being contentious. Most people would agree that it's better to be a big fish in a
smaller pond than being a tiny fish in a big lake. The big fish warrants respect
while the small fish usually ends up getting eaten. There's no
question Utah generated more overall respect when they did well year after year
in the MWC. Now they are often laughed at as they contend year after year for
conference cellar honors. Plus, their fans are getting in the habit of sitting
home during the holidays watching other college teams play their bowl games.
That must be getting really old.Brag all you want about Ute
membership in the PAC12. But very few people are buying into it. Obviously, the
media also agrees that Utah seems to be in over their heads. So far,
they've done nothing to prove otherwise.
BleedCougarBlue,LOL. You said, "Still happy about
being in the PAC-12?....I mean, don't tell the Utes about this
article. Their fans still think they're one of the "elite" teams in
America." Hilarious, especially given the fact that the Utes
just reported another year of 98% renewals in season tickets. I think that
answers your question.
Here's one somewhat Cougar fan (I follow BYU more than Utah but have no
real connection to either school), who will be hoping for n awesome season from
Utah. It's time to see them win like they have. Go Utes!
Who cares if the mighty Utes come in 5th or 6th or dead last in the PAC12, we
are still the PAC12. My favorite team is the PAC12, so I root for all of them.
My team always wins the conference! My favorite NFL team is the AFC East and in
baseball I love my American League West, they are doing great this year. I hope
they win the World Series. (As, Angels, M's.... it doesn't matter my
team is the AL West.
Kyle better get at least 7 wins this season or my guess he will be out. Lots of
The utes have history going for them.
I believe the term for the coaches, players and fans is...denial!
@ Tomahawk:I am a Utah fan. Been a season ticket holder for 22
years. I hope your right I really do but I just don't see the
5 win season. Like some else pointed out there are 3 wins that are
"maybe's" and big "maybe's" at that. OSU, Arizona and
USC are wins in your estimation? And on top of that I don't think Fresno
State is going to roll over either. Again,I hope your right. Please Ute's I
beg you, please please prove me wrong. And no I don't want to
go back to the MWC. All I was trying to point out is that if BYU and Utah along
with TCU, Bosie State and the emerging USU had of stayed it would have been a
good conference. I fully understand the benefits of PAC 12 membership. With
that said it does Utah no good to turn in to the OSU of the PAC 12 either. I choose not to be too optimistic this year, for those of you who are I
praise you but I think we are in for a rough season.
BleedCougarBlue "10th place among 12 teams. Still happy about being in the
PAC-12?"Yes, thank you.Your sentiment makes a strong case
for why Cougar fans really don't want to join the Big 12. They love
winning easy more than rising to a challenge.
When is the Great Rocky Mountain Pillow Fight between Utah and Colorado?
Well on the bright side.. we were picked to finish ahead of Colorado and
Johnny TriumphAmerican Fork, UT@Stringer - I'd hardly
agree that the U's record over the past 10 years is enough to earn their
way into much of anything; rollercoasters are up and down but are never
consistent.------------CBS Sports disagrees with your
analysis, they ranked Utah #10 (BYU #27) over the last decade.Source: Decade rankings 1-10: USC is the one and only (CBSSports.com)
Utes didn't do well in the WAC, or MWC. So, what's the surprise
here?Utah, and Colorado were brought in to help other teams become
bowl eligible by padding them with wins. How many PAC teams went bowling last
year?At least they're being paid well for taking the beating.
@SpokaneUte"Very happy about being in the PAC 12. Still happy
being the Nomad of college football? That auto-bid vs. the American Conference
Champ in the Beach Blanket Bingo Bowl has to Rock."Beach Blanket
Bingo Bowl > no bowl
I agree that often, media predictions don't mean much, but this year it
really doesn't seem that far off. If their QB stays healthy and they
don't have the offense's wheels fall off with a new OC, the Utes
likely finish 3-9. Fight on, Trojans!
@Tomahawk RedThanks for your response. My reasoning is as
follows:Wins(5): Idaho St., Fresno St., Washington St., Arizona
& Colorado.Losses(3): Stanford, UCLA and OregonToss-Ups(4): USC (at home), Michigan (often tanks at home against
non-conference opponents), OSU (Wilson lit them up for 48 pts last year) and ASU
(kind of a rebuilding year).All Whitt has to do is win one of the
toss up games and you are in a bowl game. I think that is a pretty safe bet.
Enjoy the season!
Hahahahah11th out of 12 teams yet Ute fans pound thier chest and
claim Kingship over the little brother to the South. Plz. This is
a reality check that Utah has a loooooong ways to go- may never make the Rose
Bowl. Haha. And no BYU isn't any better playing the Patsy's they
play. In reality it is a down time for the a State. Maybe USU can
win the MWC.
Hey 1978 can we meet at the water cooler and wager a $1000?USC a
toss up? That's laughable.Utah also had no chance at OSU. And
ASU at ASU will handle Utah. It's another 5 win season-sorry.
Until they start recruiting talent outside of the normal areas, I'm afraid
this will be the only result year in and year out. Ya all know what I'm
To all the Posters who think Utah is Losing it's Fanbase......Dream
on.....Even with Back to Back 5 win seasons the Season Ticket renewal Rate is
98% this year. With a Home Schedule that includes USC, Oregon, Arizona,
Washington State and Fresno State....All Teams that went to Bowls Last
Year...The Utes Have a Home Schedule that Beats BYU or Utah States for that
matter....and considering that 10 of Utah's 12 Games are against Bowl teams
from last year...every game they play is a bowl game and I like the stiff
Soonerute"They love winning easy more than rising to a
challenge."4-5, 3-6, 2-7 That is not rising to a
PAC12 challenge. It's historical fact that the Utes are over their heads.
It's also a testimonial of... "We told you so."Going bowl-less 2x and now this 5th place in the south prediction...
Why do ute fans blame BYU for their PAC 12 schedule?Sorry folks, but
Texas, UCF, Boise State, Utah State, and Houston are not cupcake teams, and I
doubt the utes would beat any of them. I doubt the utes would beat Virginia,
and Uconn either.Happy holidays!
FT, The procrastinators have not yet released their 2014 poll results, and will
not until after the season. Though late, they usually make the most accurate
I'm a BYU guy but support all products that come out of Utah. Utah has a
great organization and have been in almost every game they have played in the
PAC 12. I hope the Ute fans see that and continue to support their coaches and
players....they deserve it. We all need to get behind them cause their carrying
the water right now for all of the schools in Utah. Their success with open eyes
for all of us in Utah.
We are way good than people think so we will win our teams and go to the Rose
Bowl.Go write it down!
re: Kyle Whittingham, players unfazed by media vote pegging Utes 5th in Pac-12
South division.Why should the Utes be fazed?Haven't
the Utes finished 5th in the PAC South the last two years?Shockingly, the rest of the conference isn't buying that an Oklahoma
transfer QB who only completed 4 of 13 passes last season is going to turn the
Utah program around.
I am also a BYU fan, but wish nothing but the best for Utah and their fans. The
only time I cheer against the Utes is when they are playing either BYU or USU.
Good luck to Utah this season, I hope the predictions are incorrect and they do
well in the South division of the PAC 12 and can play for the Championship of
the PAC 12. Go Utes, Go BYU and Go USU!
As most BYU fans, I'm a little conflicted when it comes to the Utes. There
is a fierce rivalry and I live and die by the results. Yet I think it's
good for the state when the Utes do well. That being said, the Utes are excited
to be playing with the big boys but really have yet to show they belong. So
yeah, the experts are probably calling it right.
Sounds one notch to high but we will give them the benefit of the doubt. I
think they are looking at a 4-8 season and will sit home again this for the bowl
Truth is correct. Anything can happen on the field. Utah beat BYU a few years
in a row so anything surely possible. It's too bad the utes are not
playing BYU this year as that was their bowl game.
The Utes will struggle with their new offense just like BYU did the first year
they had a new OC.
It is obvious that the conference is not going to give the utes much love. The
utes fans should get used to it and many of the lower tier PAC schools will be
surpassing the utes in the major sports. Even the WSU Cougars surpassed the
utes in recognition and that is sating a lot for the state of athletics on the
Just remember Utes, "you are with the big boys now.".............=)
Whit is also unfazed by three consecutive losing seasons.
Hey at least U were predicted to finish ahead of your hated rival, Colorado.Somehow I doubt that Colorado will ever be embraced or hated as a rival
by the Ute faithful whilst the TUN still exists.
I enjoyed attending two of the Ute games last year; ucla and stanford. We
should have beaten ucla and we beat stanford. The Utes have been without a full
season QB for three years, and hopefully Wilson can stay healthy. If he does,
they will win 10 games. They beat Alabama in the Sugar Bowl and went undefeated
and did not win the NC. Alabama went on the next year, with a No. 1 class and
went undefeated and won the NC. They are not a 10 out of 12 team in the PAC12.
It is time to stop all this speculation about the 2014 season. It is time to
start speculating on how good the 2015 season will be with a new coach and new
objectives. Continually hashing over the upcoming season is disruptive to long
term thinking. We should always be thinking 2-3 years in advance.
@ worf:"Sorry folks, but...I doubt the utes would beat Virginia,
and Uconn either."Classic Worf, in complete and utter denial
with a mouth full of sour grapes. Of course Utah would spank cupcakes such as
Virginia, UConn, and Boise State (new coach, won't do anything this year).
Throw in a few more cupcakes like Houston and UCF (no more Bortles). Texas also
breaking in a brand new coach. What happens after your cougs lose to those
teams, Worf?Say the schedules were flipped. Only in Happy Valley
would "fans" believe surviving past Idaho State was realistic. Try
turning the smack talk volume down, against a team your cougs cannot beat, and
can't even try to beat again until 2016. The drubbing will not be pretty
for a 5th straight coug loss to Ute Nation! Prepare yourself now.I
doubt BYU will beat Utah again in the next 5 years. That's how far ahead
the Utes are, compared to tradition, spirit, honor, a "legacy" program
on the outside looking in (see Big 12 and P5 Conference talks, and note how BYU
isn't in the picture). Ouch.
@ amagnetickClassy post. Good luck to the Cougars as well.
They may not be playing BYU this year, but they'll still get the
opportunity to lose at home to two BYU alums when they play Wazzou and the
Trojans. Two bowl games, and at home! What more could Ute fans want!Fight On!
@Worf...May I say your comments truly make my day Sir. Regardless of how much
they lack facts and intellect it is still entertainment at its absolute finest.
Many thanks and keep up the lack of any collegiate football knowledge
TCU is picked to finish #7. The two alpha dogs of the MWC have struggled in the
big leagues. Only BYU would thrive, just see Phil Steele's 2014
preseason rankings which would put BYU in the middle of the pack in every P5
I too stand behind the other Cougar faithful and hope that Utah has a good
season. I am really hoping that they can beat Colorado!
71-39Alpine, UT"Most people would agree that it's
better to be a big fish in a smaller pond than being a tiny fish in a big
lake."BYU fans would agree with that. Utah fans
wouldn't."Brag all you want about Ute membership in the
PAC12..."Thanks, we will. We'll also brag about four in a
row, 9 of 12 and 54-10."...But very few people are buying into
it."Very few people are buying into the idea that it's
great to be in a P5 conference, with tens of millions of dollars in added
revenue and great home schedules? Then why is your head coach
publicly begging for that in the media?
@Jimmytheliberal,Intelligent fact---utes do not qualify for bowl
games. That's the bottom line.
How can you be unfazed when predicted to finish 9th of 12 teams? The media is
saying they have no respect for you and think your program is nothing when they
place it in company like Colorado and Washington State. I am no fan of Utah,
but Whittingham is not going to get it done in the PAC. He has to care his team
can't win in the PAC and he can't hold on to his coaches. Now the
media doesn't think his team will amount to anything. The only team that
isn't improving is Colorado. All the others are going up. If Utah
doesn't go up this year, who knows, Colorado may even surpass them.
@Worf...Since 1999 The PAC 12 University of Utah Utes are 10-1 in their
respective Bowl games. According to the universal laws of mathematics here on
Planet Earth, rather Planet Worf in order to accumulate 10 bowl victories
obviously ANY team would have to qualify and play in said bowl games. Please now
explain in detail your delusional post referencing your statement that the
"Utes don't qualify for bowl games. That's the bottom line".
Second thought I realize my retort is directed towards @Worf and we all know
logic and facts are simply make believe. In closing. Thank you for continuing
your excellent work regarding any lack of collegiate football knowledge
" The Utes, in fact, wound up being more like understudies or extras in the
annual sampling — finishing fifth in the South, ahead of Colorado but well
behind UCLA, USC, Arizona State and Arizona.“We don’t
pay much attention to it,” Utah coach Kyle Whittingham said"---------------------Lol! It's official. Utah has now been
demoted to minor league status, kind of like the D-League in the NBA or the
World League of American Football in Europe. As to Kyle's
comment about not paying attention, sounds like that's what the rest of the
Pac12 is doing to Utah. That was evident in the difficulty one had to find Utah
playing on a major network like ESPN last season.
@Mormonute"I agree with Natester in believing the Utes are better than
the media are predicting and I hope they are able to show it on the field. I
believe the coaching issues have been resolved"----------------From their perspective I thought they were being
pretty generous giving you 5th place. Looking at the trend Utah has gone 4-5,
3-6 and then 2-7 last season. Following that trend this season looks to be
pretty bleak (1-8). From a ute fan's perspective I can see why
you hope for a better season. If the new players in your secondary perform even
just adequately that will be a huge lift over last season when that group only
gave you 2 interceptions total for the year. The next big if is Travis Wilson
and if he can regain confidence and return to form he showed at the beginning of
the season.You have a very tough 7 game stretch starting with a road
game in Michigan and ending with a revenge match vs Stanford in Palo Alto where
you will likely be underdogs in every matchup. Going 0-7 is very likely.Good luck