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Published: Wednesday, July 23 2014 6:20 a.m. MDT

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FatherOfFour
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

I applaud Obama for this action. While I may not support him on some issues and may criticize him heavily on some of his other policies, in this I am in complete agreement with him. Good job. He earned back a small bit of my respect that he had lost.

ordinaryfolks
seattle, WA

If a religious organization wants to provide services to the poor, then why don't they avoid federal entanglements and do it on their own? No one forces anyone to take a federal contract.

Or perhaps, this is about money. The "free" money from the government means everything.

Mikhail
ALPINE, UT

Is this designed to destroy charitable religious groups so that government becomes the only charity and the only religion? This order can only be resolved in litigation. The cost of litigation will damage the efforts of religious charities and schools. Eager, opportunistic lawyers will be happy to handle the prosecution on behalf of those that believe they are offended, but charitable institutions are not in the business of paying attorneys as part of the cost of doing business.
When is enough, enough? How many laws are needed to protect every perceived micro-offense?

Filthy Kuffar
Spanish Fork, UT

Great, now will he have time to sign an executive order to secure the border?

Furry1993
Ogden, UT

The issue regarding qualification for employment is whether the person can properly do the job, NOT what that person's sexual orientation may be. The so-called "faith" organizations and employers merely want a license to exercize prejudicial discrimination and bigotry. They should not get it.

Cool Cat Cosmo
Payson, UT

This is no surprise, since he's the same president who has issued more than three times the number of executive orders of all the previous presidents combined. What is m most worrisome to me is how easily the other branches of government have let the current president trample the constitution and seperation of powers innumberable times in his quest for hegemony, thereby tying a very dangerous precedent.

md
Cache, UT

Worst President Ever.

omni scent
taylorsville, UT

Hey cool cat, Ronald Regan had 381 executive orders, Bill Clinton had 364, George W Bush had 291, and Barack Obama? Currently about 183. He's not 3 times as many as all his predecessors, not even as many as any one of the last couple predecessors.

Clint M
Salt Lake City, UT

"This is no surprise, since he's the same president who has issued more than three times the number of executive orders of all the previous presidents combined."

This is inaccurate.

Number of Executive Orders Issued

Barack Obama : 183
George W. Bush: 291
Bill Clinton: 364
George Bush Sr.: 166
Ronald Regan: 381

Source: Newshour/PBS

nycut
New York, NY

@Cool Cat Cosmo: "This is no surprise, since he's the same president who has issued more than three times the number of executive orders of all the previous presidents combined."

I think you've been misinformed.

15,227 executive orders have been signed since George Washington.
183 by Obama.

Here are the last four presidents, for a realistic point of reference.

166 - George H. W. Bush
364 - William J. Clinton
291 - George W. Bush
183 - Barack Obama

cocosweet
Sandy, UT

It absolutely horrifies me that so called "religious" organizations would be allowed to discriminate. Where does this put us when you have religions that can tout they don't believe in "mixing" races and therefore won't hire (or will fire) a mixed race person? I've always felt religion is about love and tolerance.. apparently this is not the case. Judgmental, cruel behavior is what is being exhibited. Makes me reconsider my church (though not my beliefs).

P.S. Thanks everyone for correcting cool cat. So easy to listen to Kay Granger (Republican from Texas) who originated the chain email letter than checking Snopes to see if the rumor is true. I do my best to make it a habit to check my facts.

JoeCapitalist2
Orem, UT

The number of executive orders any president signs is irrelevent. It is the content of those orders that matter.

A president may sign a thousand executive orders that have little or no impact. Another president may only sign a few, but they radically change how government works.

It is just silly to suggest that one president is better or worse than another based solely on the number of orders he signed. It is like saying one president hiked taxes 10 times for a total of 2% while another only hiked them twice for a total of 5%. Which is worse the guy who raised taxes 10 times or the guy that only raised them twice?

These are the political games that people play to sway the uniformed.

NorthOfHere
Rexburg, ID

Folks, we are acting like we are surprised he did this. Hang on to your hats, the next couple of years will be filled with ugly, blatant agenda pushing. Somehow people will still approve of what he did as a president. I guess that is why CNBC exists though.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"The number of executive orders any president signs is irrelevent."

IF Obama had issued the most executive orders than previous GOP presidents, you can bet that it would be VERY relevant.

Craig Clark
Boulder, CO

These executive orders are timely when a few private sector members are doubling down in a show of in your face defiance to assert a right to discriminate on the basis of faith. That manifestation of anti-government loathing is about much more than sexual orientation. It's a threat to the rule of law that has to be curbed.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

Instead of fighting for the right to take federal money and discriminate at the same time, these outfits can wean themselves of one or the other. Or both. Or are the 'nonprofits' otherwise motivated?

JoeCapitalist2
Orem, UT

JoeBlow: "IF Obama had issued the most executive orders than previous GOP presidents, you can bet that it would be VERY relevant."

Yes, I'm sure that some conservatives would be playing that political game...just like liberals would be downplaying the numbers and saying they don't matter.

It is kind of like what the media and liberals are now doing with all Obama's negative numbers. If Bush (or any GOP president) had the current unemployment rate, the current GDP growth rate, or the current negative poll numbers as Obama now does; it would be on the front page of all the newspapers and leading every evening newscast. Instead stories that speak truth to the current economic malaise are buried on page 12 if they exist at all.

Tekakaromatagi
Dammam, Saudi Arabia

@Cocosweet:
"Where does this put us when you have religions that can tout they don't believe in "mixing" races and therefore won't hire (or will fire) a mixed race person?"

Do you know of any religions that object to mixing of races? So maybe your point is moot.

In my hometown there was this one family of John Birchers. (They thought there was a commie conspiracy to take over the government). Our country proposed being incorporated. So the wife comes over and talks to my mom. She was up in arms. She said, "This is a step towards world government. People will be getting shot in the streets."

Well the county incorporated and no one is getting shot in the streets yet. So let's allow faith based charities to continue as they always have and see if all of a sudden religions objecting to mixed races show up. If not, Cocosweet, will you apologize for stumbling over your stereotypes?

cocosweet
Sandy, UT

A small percent of Evangelical Christians oppose interracial marriages (Comes from Christianity Today article). Example : Only recently did Bob Jones University remove it's rule against interracial dating.

The point I was trying to make is anyone can come up with a religion, make up their own belief system, and hide behind it.

As for religious charities? They can do as they will, but if they want Federal money they are going to have to follow the rules.
Finally, I wasn't talking about charities, rather Fed contractors who can hide behind religion to justify pretty much any behavior they want.

Craig Clark
Boulder, CO

Mikhail,

"....When is enough, enough? How many laws are needed to protect every perceived micro-offense?"
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These two executive orders affirm existing laws prohibiting discrimination which is anything but a “micro-offense.” In contrast to Obama, Lincoln had far less legal grounds for his most notable executive order that we know of today as the Emancipation Proclamation. If the Federal Government doesn’t lead by example, I wouldn't expect the rest of the country to just automatically put its own house in order.

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