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  • Ranch Here, UT
    July 24, 2014 12:40 p.m.

    RRB says:

    "How do we love our neighbor by rewarding his breaking the law of Moses? "

    Moses and his "people" illegally entered another country, slaughtered all the inhabitants and stole their land. He's not the best example for you to use about the illegal immigration problem.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    July 24, 2014 9:55 a.m.

    RRB says:

    "How do we love our neighbor by rewarding his breaking the law of Moses? "

    Moses and his people illegally entered another country, slaughtered all the inhabitants and stole their land. He's not the best example for you to use about the illegal immigration problem.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    July 23, 2014 5:36 p.m.

    Hey Worf –

    “Sequestration was created by Obama.”

    WRONG.

    Sequestration was created by the Budget Control Act of 2011.

    “In fact, one of those voting in favor, Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona, said on NBC’s “Meet the Press” on Feb. 17 that “Republicans deserve blame; I’ll take some blame for it.” – from factcheck.org

    John McCain honestly pointed the finger of blame for sequestration at himself and his own Party. Thank you Senator McCain for your willingness in this instance to be one of those rare honest Conservatives.

    “Obama just gave eight billion dollars to Africa for infrastructure.”

    Uh oh . . . That might not be enough.

    “China has committed $75bn (£48bn) on aid and development projects in Africa in the past decade . . . “ – the Guardian

    Face it Worf, money is influence. Do we want Africa to feel more allegiance to us? . . . or to China?

    Eight billion dollars seems paltry compared to the $75 billion China has given to Africa in the last decade, don’t you think?

    Perhaps "Conservatives" should try a little harder not to be overly simplistic.

  • 1conservative WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    July 23, 2014 2:44 p.m.

    Quite a lot of "blame Bush syndrome" present today.

    I have a question: exactly how do the border patrol determine who is from Mexico or who is from Honduras, guatemala, etc?

    Do they just take the illegal aliens "word" for where they're from?
    What I.D. do they have that identifies they're from Honduras?
    How easy is it to get "I.D." that says you're a 13 yr. old (when you're actually 22)?

    It only matters insofar as the illegal aliens from Mexico aren't entitled to a court hearing (via the 2008 law), and only the others (who claim to be minors) are.

    Obama could solve this with a couple of phone calls to Mexico demanding that they stop allowing central americans to pass through their country.

    As others have stated - I don't have much confidence that he wants to solve it at all.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    July 23, 2014 2:24 p.m.

    OK Republican governors I get the game plan - deny Obama's request for additional funding to handle the crisis - and then when we can't cope with it - blame Obama! Brilliant!!!!!

  • mcclark Salt Lake City, UT
    July 23, 2014 1:22 p.m.

    Obama did not write and pass the law that created this mess, that was George Bush and the Republican Congress. But go ahead and blame Obama, everything is his fault.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 23, 2014 1:09 p.m.

    @GaryO,

    Sequestration was created by Obama.

    Wouldn't it be great having a president you don't have to make excuses for?

    Obama just gave eight billion dollars to Africa for infrastructure. Hmm? Couldn't that have gone for border security? Can't blame Bush, and Republicans for that! Can you?

    Pointing fingers at Bush, and Republicans are a sign of weakness.

  • HIGHLANDER56 EAGLE MOUNTAIN, UT
    July 23, 2014 1:00 p.m.

    It's going to take more than a few Governor's complaining, this very serious threat to the American future needs to be impeached!!!

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    July 23, 2014 12:28 p.m.

    handling of the border crisis == go on fund raisers and late night talk shows.... the Obama way!! America is in free fall.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    July 23, 2014 12:01 p.m.

    Boehner gets on Obama about not doing something about this yet when Obama issues executive orders he gets sued by Boehner.

  • happy2bhere clearfield, UT
    July 23, 2014 11:32 a.m.

    The only way Republicans will sign on to an immigration bill now is if it puts border security and enforcement first with real results. Some here try to say Obama is spending more and doing more. To quote Hillary, what difference does it make when stuff like we are seeing now happens? I don't care if he spends 10 trillion dollars and has a million border guards. If he ties their hands, does catch and release, and allows what is happening now to go on without trying to stop it, it is all meaningless. Get a clue Democrats, no justice no peace, no border enforcement, no immigration bill. The Democrats have fooled us this way in the past. Won't happen again.

  • bullet56 Olympia, WA
    July 23, 2014 11:16 a.m.

    Six republican governors,...... Sounds a bit political. Gov of non border states like Pennsylvania, and Kansas. What do they do. They don't cajole the GOP hostage taking congress to do something, oh no. It is far easier and politically efficient to blame the president who has no budget due to sequester. As we see time and a gain from the GOP, it is easier to complain and make it someone else's fault than accept the responsibility to govern and act. Barley a mention of the part that the GOP house plays in the mess.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    July 23, 2014 11:07 a.m.

    Worf -

    "Why is our Commander protecting the Border?"

    Well, for one thing. Republicans in Congress keep denying him the necessary money to do so.

    Sequestration (insisted on by Republicans) is still in effect, and since its implementation, it has denied border security BILLIONS in necessary funding.

    Underfunded border security is inviting to those who want to test its strength.

    BYU Alum -

    " These children will indeed impact our already overcrowded school systems and cause a real burden by overwhelming the classrooms with many non-English speaking children. The diseases they bring is still another issue. It could be devastating."

    Good points.

    There you go . . . All kinds of terrible things can happen when American "Conservatives" get there way.

  • One opinion west jordan, UT
    July 23, 2014 10:49 a.m.

    Something is fishy with all these children coming in waves. Bus loads were brought into Murietta, California where protesters blocked the roads. The buses turned around an left. Then there was an ad in the Murietta, California paper offering over $6,000 a month to people who would take these children into their homes as foster children. $6,000???? What is really going on here - what is really happening? Does this mean other countries world wide should send their children and just go through Mexico? The governors need to stand with California and Texas in protecting our borders. How sad to be using children to accomplish whatever is going on.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    July 23, 2014 10:37 a.m.

    Cattle aren't votes. Wiley fox is still alive and property vanishes, also. Drug people are victims and our prisons and some hospitals are full,also, just like the borders.We don't seem to have the same problem to the north.

  • docport1 ,
    July 23, 2014 10:22 a.m.

    Governor Herbert needs to read the church policy statement on immigration and show the same compassion that the Church does. It would seem that politics is dictating his position.

  • Utefan60 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 23, 2014 10:05 a.m.

    This problem is squarly on the feet of the Republicans. Our President doubled spending for border. This the Republicans balked at. He has to follow the law that President Bush pushed through. Just stop using this as yet another way to bash and get something done you whining Republicans!

  • sid 6.7 Holladay, UT
    July 23, 2014 9:59 a.m.

    RE: Hockey Mom:

    I appreciate your comments, thank you. I do find it Ironic however that you make this statement "I'd ever send my kids off into the jungle or desert or across the sea alone, no matter how tough things are in my own country." all while having your son serve a mission in Honduras. True, your son has more structure around him then these children do but for the most part he and is companion are on their own.

    Common sense tells me that if my young child is going to be used as a sex slave, drug mule and/or live in extreme poverty forced to do things you cant even imagine to survive or cross a desert with a coyote (Guide) to get to American and have a 1/2 normal life I'll take the desert any day of the week. You make it sound as if these parents have a choice, they don't.

    I have traveled deep into Mexico and spent significant time in Costa Rica and I'm telling you the poverty the Drug Cartels and the torture exists. These kids need our help and we as Christens should give it to them.

  • ElmoBaggins Escalante, UT
    July 23, 2014 9:53 a.m.

    Herbert can't even manage his state...he has no room to criticize ObamA!

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    July 23, 2014 9:47 a.m.

    If immigration is such a big issue why won't the GOP house pass a bill? You know why? Politics. Would they have the courage to pass a bill if they did not have to run for re-election? You betcha! They value their careers and their party more than they do our country.

  • hockeymom Highland, UT
    July 23, 2014 9:38 a.m.

    @ Happy Valley Heretic

    So what's the magic number? How many illegal kids do you think should be let in before it's too much and we need to stop the flow? It sounds like you'd be happy to open your home until the sheer numbers squeeze you and your family out on your own porch. What do you suggest?

    May I remind you, that Christians are the first to step up to offer the Humanitarian aid to these kids and anyone else who needs it. They are also smart enough to know we can't just step aside and open up the gates, roll out the red carpet and bring them all in. The best solution is to take the humanitarian aid to the people, but in their own countries. If they knew their best chance of getting help is staying put, the flow of humans who draw from America's already depleted tax payer resources may stop.

  • hockeymom Highland, UT
    July 23, 2014 9:27 a.m.

    @sid 6.7

    I don't believe I'd ever send my kids off into the jungle or desert or across the sea alone, no matter how tough things are in my own country. Common sense would tell us that kids surrounded by family in a dangerous situation will fare better than being alone in a dangerous situation. My son is serving a mission in Honduras and has said nothing about kids in danger in that country, only poverty. I understand people wanting a better, fuller and "richer" life - I don't get risking kids to seek it first and then come in later on their efforts. I feel bad for those kids and worse for the legal poor born into this country who need support and now have to cut that in half to share with the illegal kids.

    Yes, close the borders. Turn off the government faucet, the sink is spilling over on to the floor. We're wasting resources! Immigration should be open to all who want it - LEGALLY!!

  • JustGordon Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 23, 2014 9:23 a.m.

    Yes, it's all the President's fault! His liberal immigration policies of deporting more undocumented individuals than the previous Republican administration have lured all these children to our border.

    Perhaps the letter should have been sent to the Speaker of the House, since there has been no movement on immigration reform by this Republican controlled body, Surely a Republican Speaker of the House would listen to Republican governors urging him to do something other than complain that it's Obama's fault.

  • sid 6.7 Holladay, UT
    July 23, 2014 9:14 a.m.

    Well Mainly Me has one thing right, this is a "manufactured crisis". Why did we never hear about our boarders when Bush was in office? And no it's because he did such a great job at controlling them. Obama wasn't in the chair for more than a minute before the Republicans started screaming about boarder control. The weaklings bit and now you all make it sound as if things were perfect along our boarders until Obama took office.

    I swear it as if we have been transported into the Twilight Zone and 1/3 of our countrymen cant remember past January 1 of 2008. The facts are what you folks define as a "Secure Boarder" It's never been, it's never happened nor will it ever happen. While you grandstanders bark and yell about 50,000 innocent children trying just to survive by crossing the boarder in a small Texas town millions elsewhere spill over.

    The sad part is every one of you complaining about Illegal Immigrants would do the same thing they are if the roles were reversed. Get the facts about what these people endure and you may change your mind on the whole boarder situation.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    July 23, 2014 9:00 a.m.

    If you're upset at this immigration situation then look no further than King Jon Boehner.

    He refuses to even talk about illegal immigration for fear of the midterms.

  • Uncle_Fester Niskayuna, NY
    July 23, 2014 8:36 a.m.

    I'm not sure what the Governors mean by "undocumented," after they get in they seem to have plenty of documents, fraudulent but documents nevertheless. This so-called "crisis" does require a humanitarian solution. It also requires an accountability both on the part of those shipping them here as well as our government for allowing them entry -which should not be happening. I agree with the governor of Texas that prevention is better than Obama's solution of pandering politics and political cynicism masquerading as humanitarian concern. Maybe we nood to put the BLM in control of the border. If they can amass the sort of response they gave to a few of Clive's cattle, human trespassers ought to be no problem.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    July 23, 2014 8:34 a.m.

    So if I'm reading correctly, Conservative believe that if a child show's up on their doorstep hungry, sick and tired, the "Right" thing to do is, turn them back to the desert, call them invaders to ease your mind. Lets ignore a huge problem by say, building a wall so you can't see the problem, or maybe to keep them off your porch.
    Of course many illegals will arrive by plane or boat or other border, but at least it isn't those filthy poor kids from South America, who's countries we've messed up, since we were able to.

    Christian Conservative Values allude me.

  • JBQ Saint Louis, MO
    July 23, 2014 8:24 a.m.

    These are all OTMs (Other than Mexicans). This is important because of their legal rights. Mexican nationals can be immediately deported. The average time for hearings is 564 days. Until that time, the individuals are released into the general population pending the disposition of the hearing. Without a doubt, these individual who are mostly from Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador will be allowed to stay in this country because of the supposed violent conditions from whence they came. This is the same feeling afforded those from Bosnia who came in the thousands but as family units. There is a mountain of monetary aid given. The U.S. cannot solve all of the problems of the world by bringing them to the U.S. With children as young as 6 or 7, there is a great deal of compassion needed. John Kennedy would have activated the Organization of American States. This is a humanitarian crisis to be sure. However, it is also one of security. The president is keeping his cards "close to the vest" over the nature of his true agenda. What is greatly disconcerting is the fact of the involvement of the drug cartels in moving these children.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    July 23, 2014 8:01 a.m.

    If the Gov was really serious and not just playing a political game (note the Governors who co-signed the letter, they are all high profile right-wingers), he would focus the lobbying on the Republican House which has refused to vote on the bill passed by the Senate some time ago. It is the Republican House that refuses to give the President more authority and funding, saying that he has enough authority (after complaining about the "imperial President".). The GOP is the cause of the lack of progress. Yet they hypocritically complain and offer no substantive solutions.

  • New to Utah PAYSON, UT
    July 23, 2014 7:59 a.m.

    Obama caused the problem by his executive orders which gave the green light for these illegals to enter the US. Rather than address the problem he has scheduled 6 fundraisers this week alone which shows how completely political every decision is? The 2008 law has a provision that could be used to stop this invasion but Obama won't use it. The Democrats, the chamber of commerce and others who benefit either politically or with cheap labor are causing this.Obama's extreme partisanship and unconstitutional actions makes compromise virtually impossible. Thanks Gov Herbert for signing the document and showing some leadership.

  • Spas Ivins, UT
    July 23, 2014 7:36 a.m.

    Bush tried to pass sensible immigration reform in 2006. His efforts failed because of his own party. The Senate has passed an immigration reform bill. Boehner refuses to bring it up for possible passage in the House. The Senate bill does not offer amnesty. Make an effort to learn what the bill is about before prattling on. Expand your news sources from Fox news and Limbaugh, etc. You might learn something.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    July 23, 2014 7:30 a.m.

    So the border is completely sealed. You have soldiers standing shoulder to shoulder across the whole southern border. Now what? Young children walk up to the soldiers, hungry, and alone. Do you physically push them back over and over until they just turn around and walk back?

    If you care for them in any way you are perpetuating the problem right? Or do you give them a sandwich and march them right to a plane and send them home..to where they say they're from. Oh wait that's against the law. Well let's change the law. Oh I forgot we can't do that Obama asked us to.

    So again, the border is soldiers shoulder to shoulder, now what?

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    July 23, 2014 6:40 a.m.

    Obama could have solved this simply by using his phone and pen to send the guard to the border, give executive order to the Border Patrol about stopping this, and by phoning Mexico, and the other central American countries sending these kids up here. A few threats would have done it. Clearly he does not want this to stop. This is a part of the bigger long term picture Obama and liberals have of trying to rid America of its white, western culture, English speaking, European ancestry roots. If this kind of immigration from Latin culture is allowed to continue, it won't be long before Spanish is the domenent language and our country will be bi-lingual, then Spanish will be voted in as the national language.

  • Kings Court Alpine, UT
    July 23, 2014 6:38 a.m.

    I hope that Governor Herbert realizes that returning these minors quickly is impossible (unless from Canada or Mexico) due to a child trafficking laws signed by President Bush in 2008 and passed by a Democrat Congress. This law requires that these immigrant children go through the court process (which takes time) and that President Obama recently asked for money from Congress to expedite the court process which Republicans balked at. I'm all for sending these children back to their countries, but c'mon Republicans, you've got to do your part if you want this to happen. Quit playing political games for once and do your part. I'm a Republican and I can even admit when my own party seems more bent on making Obama look bad than doing what is required in governing this country.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    July 23, 2014 6:03 a.m.

    My daughter was a volunteer in Catholic orphanages in a Latin American country where every night people left little babies on their door steps. The people that leave their children for someone else to care for doesn't sound good if they are wanting us to pay, also. We are a nation and state of volunteers, with time, energy and money. We give voluntarily for good causes. If drug Lords are involved in human trafficking, of adults and children, it is not for a good cause. The root cause is not for kindness and good will. These drug lords will do anything for a Gadianton purpose. Our country has enough problems at the highest to the lowest. We set precedence and the courts rule that we accept that as law because people didn't object. The President didn't want a photo op at the border when he could have used that to get his $4B request for some of his other projects he pushes without Congress' and our nation's peoples backing.

    Rule of law has been eclipsed by the reign or two of presidents. We used to think Presidents help established policy with the vote of the Congress.

  • prelax Murray, UT
    July 23, 2014 4:36 a.m.

    The business community that hires people here illegally need to be fined to pay for these people to be sent home (they are not all children) to their country.

    For $5,000-10,000 dollars to be brought here, they can hire a lawyer and come here legally.

  • RRB SLC, UT
    July 23, 2014 12:46 a.m.

    The Churches have known this was going on for years, but did nothing. How do we love our neighbor by rewarding his breaking the law of Moses? Isn't that encouraging more law breaking?

    If we really want to stop the problem, we need to go to the source. Countries need to be told that we are not giving amnesty, business needs to follow the laws, Churches need to tell people to come here legally, and business to clean up their act. And those here illegally must return and come back legally.

    If we don't do this, we are not showing compassion to the people here illegally, citizens that have lost jobs, had their identity stolen, and the taxpayer who is subsidizing the cheap illegal labor.

  • Disport Alpine, UT
    July 22, 2014 11:45 p.m.

    What Obama and many liberals seem to keep forgetting is that the border has to be controlled and sealed off before any consideration of immigration reform can even be considered... and not the other way around.

    No objective person wants new laws until we find out what effect actually living by and adhering to existing immigration laws will have and do. So far, the federal government has utterly failed to do that.

    If the feds can't enforce existing laws, why should anyone believe they would do any better with new laws? Actions speak louder than words, Mr Obama.

  • LeDoc SLC, UT
    July 22, 2014 11:23 p.m.

    This die was cast years ago. I remember seeing immigrant farm labor camps before Obama was even in school. Nobody did anything to stem the tide because after all, the only thing better than cheap labor is slave labor. WE have created this mess and WE, meaning all of us will have to put away our "blinders on" partisanship and arrive at a solution. All this blame game malarkey is just political grandstanding!

  • Seldom Seen Smith Orcutt, CA
    July 22, 2014 11:04 p.m.

    Article 4 Section for of the U.S. Constitution: The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union ... shall protect each of them against Invasion.

    Marriage is meaningless, the constitution is meaningless. It's not all that surprising that it's coming to an end, but how fast.

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    July 22, 2014 10:50 p.m.

    Thank you, Governor Herbert! We need to see some significant action and common sense by more Governors. These children will indeed impact our already overcrowded school systems and cause a real burden by overwhelming the classrooms with many non-English speaking children. The diseases they bring is still another issue. It could be devastating.

    My heart goes out to these children, but we need to close and secure our southern border. We cannot continue to allow children, young adults, mothers, and gang members to flow freely into our country. Action needs to be taken now! We can see that it is not going to happen in the Obama administration, so the states are going to have to step up!

  • Jazz Bass Man Wellsville, Utah
    July 22, 2014 10:21 p.m.

    Obama caused this mess with his DACA, and through his push for amnesty for illegals - what the crooked politicians call "immigration reform". These illegals, many of whom are already recruited by the gangs and cartels, believe they can stay, because the democrats have been announcing amnesty to the world. Otherwise they wouldn't be poring over the border right now by the thousands. The whole thing stinks of corruption between the Obama regime, the chamber of commerce, and the corrupt mexican government that is herding them through mexico.

    Obama has no intention of sending any of them back, or reinforcing the border. He WANTS this country to be overrun with illegals from mexico, because he knows they all will become democrat voters. Democrats dependent upon government entitlements that is.

  • Mainly Me Werribee, 00
    July 22, 2014 9:58 p.m.

    @Richie

    Right on! This is a manufactured crisis, not something that popped out of the blue. Obama is killing this nation.

  • Richie Saint George, UT
    July 22, 2014 8:12 p.m.

    Obama doesn't care about our borders so long as the United States of America is destroyed and he raises enough money to buy a Democratic senate, for the last two years of his term in office.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 22, 2014 7:53 p.m.

    Many states are simply dead weight. Texas supplies much of the income for the federal government, and is carrying much of the burden.

    Manufacturing, oil, farming, tourism, and seaports make Texas a very valuable state.

    Not securing the border will eventually take its toll, and Texas will become another California, or New York. Bankrupt!

    Our country will likely collapse.

    Why is our commander not protecting the border?

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    July 22, 2014 7:18 p.m.

    The numbers are dropping because of the heat. It always drops in July and August, but rebounds in September.

    Obama's administration has the power to return them to their own country. The 2008 law was written with an opt out for "exceptional circumstances".

    This mess is proof that amnesty and rewarding bad behavior only increases it in the future. Obama's waivers have caused this mess.