RRB says: "How do we love our neighbor by rewarding his breaking
the law of Moses? "Moses and his "people" illegally
entered another country, slaughtered all the inhabitants and stole their land.
He's not the best example for you to use about the illegal immigration
RRB says: "How do we love our neighbor by rewarding his breaking
the law of Moses? "Moses and his people illegally entered
another country, slaughtered all the inhabitants and stole their land.
He's not the best example for you to use about the illegal immigration
Hey Worf –“Sequestration was created by Obama.”WRONG.Sequestration was created by the Budget Control Act of
2011. “In fact, one of those voting in favor, Republican Sen.
John McCain of Arizona, said on NBC’s “Meet the Press” on Feb.
17 that “Republicans deserve blame; I’ll take some blame for
it.” – from factcheck.orgJohn McCain honestly pointed
the finger of blame for sequestration at himself and his own Party. Thank you
Senator McCain for your willingness in this instance to be one of those rare
honest Conservatives.“Obama just gave eight billion dollars to
Africa for infrastructure.”Uh oh . . . That might not be
enough.“China has committed $75bn (£48bn) on aid and
development projects in Africa in the past decade . . . “ – the
Guardian Face it Worf, money is influence. Do we want Africa to
feel more allegiance to us? . . . or to China? Eight billion
dollars seems paltry compared to the $75 billion China has given to Africa in
the last decade, don’t you think?Perhaps
"Conservatives" should try a little harder not to be overly simplistic.
Quite a lot of "blame Bush syndrome" present today.I have a
question: exactly how do the border patrol determine who is from Mexico or who
is from Honduras, guatemala, etc?Do they just take the illegal
aliens "word" for where they're from?What I.D. do they have
that identifies they're from Honduras?How easy is it to get
"I.D." that says you're a 13 yr. old (when you're actually
22)?It only matters insofar as the illegal aliens from Mexico
aren't entitled to a court hearing (via the 2008 law), and only the others
(who claim to be minors) are.Obama could solve this with a couple of
phone calls to Mexico demanding that they stop allowing central americans to
pass through their country.As others have stated - I don't have
much confidence that he wants to solve it at all.
OK Republican governors I get the game plan - deny Obama's request for
additional funding to handle the crisis - and then when we can't cope with
it - blame Obama! Brilliant!!!!!
Obama did not write and pass the law that created this mess, that was George
Bush and the Republican Congress. But go ahead and blame Obama, everything is
@GaryO,Sequestration was created by Obama.Wouldn't
it be great having a president you don't have to make excuses for? Obama just gave eight billion dollars to Africa for infrastructure.
Hmm? Couldn't that have gone for border security? Can't blame Bush,
and Republicans for that! Can you?Pointing fingers at Bush, and
Republicans are a sign of weakness.
It's going to take more than a few Governor's complaining, this very
serious threat to the American future needs to be impeached!!!
handling of the border crisis == go on fund raisers and late night talk
shows.... the Obama way!! America is in free fall.
Boehner gets on Obama about not doing something about this yet when Obama issues
executive orders he gets sued by Boehner.
The only way Republicans will sign on to an immigration bill now is if it puts
border security and enforcement first with real results. Some here try to say
Obama is spending more and doing more. To quote Hillary, what difference does
it make when stuff like we are seeing now happens? I don't care if he
spends 10 trillion dollars and has a million border guards. If he ties their
hands, does catch and release, and allows what is happening now to go on without
trying to stop it, it is all meaningless. Get a clue Democrats, no justice no
peace, no border enforcement, no immigration bill. The Democrats have fooled us
this way in the past. Won't happen again.
Six republican governors,...... Sounds a bit political. Gov of non border
states like Pennsylvania, and Kansas. What do they do. They don't cajole
the GOP hostage taking congress to do something, oh no. It is far easier and
politically efficient to blame the president who has no budget due to sequester.
As we see time and a gain from the GOP, it is easier to complain and make it
someone else's fault than accept the responsibility to govern and act.
Barley a mention of the part that the GOP house plays in the mess.
Worf -"Why is our Commander protecting the Border?"Well, for one thing. Republicans in Congress keep denying him the necessary
money to do so.Sequestration (insisted on by Republicans) is still
in effect, and since its implementation, it has denied border security BILLIONS
in necessary funding.Underfunded border security is inviting to
those who want to test its strength.BYU Alum -"
These children will indeed impact our already overcrowded school systems and
cause a real burden by overwhelming the classrooms with many non-English
speaking children. The diseases they bring is still another issue. It could be
devastating."Good points.There you go . . . All
kinds of terrible things can happen when American "Conservatives" get
Something is fishy with all these children coming in waves. Bus loads were
brought into Murietta, California where protesters blocked the roads. The buses
turned around an left. Then there was an ad in the Murietta, California paper
offering over $6,000 a month to people who would take these children into their
homes as foster children. $6,000???? What is really going on here - what is
really happening? Does this mean other countries world wide should send their
children and just go through Mexico? The governors need to stand with California
and Texas in protecting our borders. How sad to be using children to accomplish
whatever is going on.
Cattle aren't votes. Wiley fox is still alive and property vanishes, also.
Drug people are victims and our prisons and some hospitals are full,also, just
like the borders.We don't seem to have the same problem to the north.
Governor Herbert needs to read the church policy statement on immigration and
show the same compassion that the Church does. It would seem that politics is
dictating his position.
This problem is squarly on the feet of the Republicans. Our President doubled
spending for border. This the Republicans balked at. He has to follow the law
that President Bush pushed through. Just stop using this as yet another way to
bash and get something done you whining Republicans!
RE: Hockey Mom:I appreciate your comments, thank you. I do find it
Ironic however that you make this statement "I'd ever send my kids off
into the jungle or desert or across the sea alone, no matter how tough things
are in my own country." all while having your son serve a mission in
Honduras. True, your son has more structure around him then these children do
but for the most part he and is companion are on their own. Common
sense tells me that if my young child is going to be used as a sex slave, drug
mule and/or live in extreme poverty forced to do things you cant even imagine to
survive or cross a desert with a coyote (Guide) to get to American and have a
1/2 normal life I'll take the desert any day of the week. You make it sound
as if these parents have a choice, they don't. I have traveled
deep into Mexico and spent significant time in Costa Rica and I'm telling
you the poverty the Drug Cartels and the torture exists. These kids need our
help and we as Christens should give it to them.
Herbert can't even manage his state...he has no room to criticize ObamA!
If immigration is such a big issue why won't the GOP house pass a bill?
You know why? Politics. Would they have the courage to pass a bill if they did
not have to run for re-election? You betcha! They value their careers and
their party more than they do our country.
@ Happy Valley HereticSo what's the magic number? How many
illegal kids do you think should be let in before it's too much and we need
to stop the flow? It sounds like you'd be happy to open your home until
the sheer numbers squeeze you and your family out on your own porch. What do
you suggest?May I remind you, that Christians are the first to step
up to offer the Humanitarian aid to these kids and anyone else who needs it.
They are also smart enough to know we can't just step aside and open up the
gates, roll out the red carpet and bring them all in. The best solution is to
take the humanitarian aid to the people, but in their own countries. If they
knew their best chance of getting help is staying put, the flow of humans who
draw from America's already depleted tax payer resources may stop.
@sid 6.7I don't believe I'd ever send my kids off into the
jungle or desert or across the sea alone, no matter how tough things are in my
own country. Common sense would tell us that kids surrounded by family in a
dangerous situation will fare better than being alone in a dangerous situation.
My son is serving a mission in Honduras and has said nothing about kids in
danger in that country, only poverty. I understand people wanting a better,
fuller and "richer" life - I don't get risking kids to seek it
first and then come in later on their efforts. I feel bad for those kids and
worse for the legal poor born into this country who need support and now have to
cut that in half to share with the illegal kids.Yes, close the
borders. Turn off the government faucet, the sink is spilling over on to the
floor. We're wasting resources! Immigration should be open to all who
want it - LEGALLY!!
Yes, it's all the President's fault! His liberal immigration policies
of deporting more undocumented individuals than the previous Republican
administration have lured all these children to our border.Perhaps
the letter should have been sent to the Speaker of the House, since there has
been no movement on immigration reform by this Republican controlled body,
Surely a Republican Speaker of the House would listen to Republican governors
urging him to do something other than complain that it's Obama's
Well Mainly Me has one thing right, this is a "manufactured crisis".
Why did we never hear about our boarders when Bush was in office? And no
it's because he did such a great job at controlling them. Obama
wasn't in the chair for more than a minute before the Republicans started
screaming about boarder control. The weaklings bit and now you all make it
sound as if things were perfect along our boarders until Obama took office. I swear it as if we have been transported into the Twilight Zone and 1/3
of our countrymen cant remember past January 1 of 2008. The facts are what you
folks define as a "Secure Boarder" It's never been, it's never
happened nor will it ever happen. While you grandstanders bark and yell about
50,000 innocent children trying just to survive by crossing the boarder in a
small Texas town millions elsewhere spill over. The sad part is
every one of you complaining about Illegal Immigrants would do the same thing
they are if the roles were reversed. Get the facts about what these people
endure and you may change your mind on the whole boarder situation.
If you're upset at this immigration situation then look no further than
King Jon Boehner.He refuses to even talk about illegal immigration
for fear of the midterms.
I'm not sure what the Governors mean by "undocumented," after they
get in they seem to have plenty of documents, fraudulent but documents
nevertheless. This so-called "crisis" does require a humanitarian
solution. It also requires an accountability both on the part of those shipping
them here as well as our government for allowing them entry -which should not be
happening. I agree with the governor of Texas that prevention is better than
Obama's solution of pandering politics and political cynicism masquerading
as humanitarian concern. Maybe we nood to put the BLM in control of the border.
If they can amass the sort of response they gave to a few of Clive's
cattle, human trespassers ought to be no problem.
So if I'm reading correctly, Conservative believe that if a child
show's up on their doorstep hungry, sick and tired, the "Right"
thing to do is, turn them back to the desert, call them invaders to ease your
mind. Lets ignore a huge problem by say, building a wall so you can't see
the problem, or maybe to keep them off your porch. Of course many illegals
will arrive by plane or boat or other border, but at least it isn't those
filthy poor kids from South America, who's countries we've messed up,
since we were able to.Christian Conservative Values allude me.
These are all OTMs (Other than Mexicans). This is important because of their
legal rights. Mexican nationals can be immediately deported. The average time
for hearings is 564 days. Until that time, the individuals are released into
the general population pending the disposition of the hearing. Without a doubt,
these individual who are mostly from Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador will
be allowed to stay in this country because of the supposed violent conditions
from whence they came. This is the same feeling afforded those from Bosnia who
came in the thousands but as family units. There is a mountain of monetary aid
given. The U.S. cannot solve all of the problems of the world by bringing them
to the U.S. With children as young as 6 or 7, there is a great deal of
compassion needed. John Kennedy would have activated the Organization of
American States. This is a humanitarian crisis to be sure. However, it is also
one of security. The president is keeping his cards "close to the vest"
over the nature of his true agenda. What is greatly disconcerting is the fact
of the involvement of the drug cartels in moving these children.
If the Gov was really serious and not just playing a political game (note the
Governors who co-signed the letter, they are all high profile right-wingers), he
would focus the lobbying on the Republican House which has refused to vote on
the bill passed by the Senate some time ago. It is the Republican House that
refuses to give the President more authority and funding, saying that he has
enough authority (after complaining about the "imperial President".).
The GOP is the cause of the lack of progress. Yet they hypocritically complain
and offer no substantive solutions.
Obama caused the problem by his executive orders which gave the green light for
these illegals to enter the US. Rather than address the problem he has scheduled
6 fundraisers this week alone which shows how completely political every
decision is? The 2008 law has a provision that could be used to stop this
invasion but Obama won't use it. The Democrats, the chamber of commerce and
others who benefit either politically or with cheap labor are causing
this.Obama's extreme partisanship and unconstitutional actions makes
compromise virtually impossible. Thanks Gov Herbert for signing the document and
showing some leadership.
Bush tried to pass sensible immigration reform in 2006. His efforts failed
because of his own party. The Senate has passed an immigration reform bill.
Boehner refuses to bring it up for possible passage in the House. The Senate
bill does not offer amnesty. Make an effort to learn what the bill is about
before prattling on. Expand your news sources from Fox news and Limbaugh, etc.
You might learn something.
So the border is completely sealed. You have soldiers standing shoulder to
shoulder across the whole southern border. Now what? Young children walk up to
the soldiers, hungry, and alone. Do you physically push them back over and over
until they just turn around and walk back? If you care for them in
any way you are perpetuating the problem right? Or do you give them a sandwich
and march them right to a plane and send them home..to where they say
they're from. Oh wait that's against the law. Well let's change
the law. Oh I forgot we can't do that Obama asked us to. So
again, the border is soldiers shoulder to shoulder, now what?
Obama could have solved this simply by using his phone and pen to send the guard
to the border, give executive order to the Border Patrol about stopping this,
and by phoning Mexico, and the other central American countries sending these
kids up here. A few threats would have done it. Clearly he does not want this
to stop. This is a part of the bigger long term picture Obama and liberals have
of trying to rid America of its white, western culture, English speaking,
European ancestry roots. If this kind of immigration from Latin culture is
allowed to continue, it won't be long before Spanish is the domenent
language and our country will be bi-lingual, then Spanish will be voted in as
the national language.
I hope that Governor Herbert realizes that returning these minors quickly is
impossible (unless from Canada or Mexico) due to a child trafficking laws signed
by President Bush in 2008 and passed by a Democrat Congress. This law requires
that these immigrant children go through the court process (which takes time)
and that President Obama recently asked for money from Congress to expedite the
court process which Republicans balked at. I'm all for sending these
children back to their countries, but c'mon Republicans, you've got to
do your part if you want this to happen. Quit playing political games for once
and do your part. I'm a Republican and I can even admit when my own party
seems more bent on making Obama look bad than doing what is required in
governing this country.
My daughter was a volunteer in Catholic orphanages in a Latin American country
where every night people left little babies on their door steps. The people
that leave their children for someone else to care for doesn't sound good
if they are wanting us to pay, also. We are a nation and state of volunteers,
with time, energy and money. We give voluntarily for good causes. If drug
Lords are involved in human trafficking, of adults and children, it is not for a
good cause. The root cause is not for kindness and good will. These drug lords
will do anything for a Gadianton purpose. Our country has enough problems at
the highest to the lowest. We set precedence and the courts rule that we accept
that as law because people didn't object. The President didn't want a
photo op at the border when he could have used that to get his $4B request for
some of his other projects he pushes without Congress' and our
nation's peoples backing. Rule of law has been eclipsed by
the reign or two of presidents. We used to think Presidents help established
policy with the vote of the Congress.
The business community that hires people here illegally need to be fined to pay
for these people to be sent home (they are not all children) to their country.
For $5,000-10,000 dollars to be brought here, they can hire a lawyer
and come here legally.
The Churches have known this was going on for years, but did nothing. How do we
love our neighbor by rewarding his breaking the law of Moses? Isn't that
encouraging more law breaking? If we really want to stop the
problem, we need to go to the source. Countries need to be told that we are not
giving amnesty, business needs to follow the laws, Churches need to tell people
to come here legally, and business to clean up their act. And those here
illegally must return and come back legally. If we don't do
this, we are not showing compassion to the people here illegally, citizens that
have lost jobs, had their identity stolen, and the taxpayer who is subsidizing
the cheap illegal labor.
What Obama and many liberals seem to keep forgetting is that the border has to
be controlled and sealed off before any consideration of immigration reform can
even be considered... and not the other way around.No objective
person wants new laws until we find out what effect actually living by and
adhering to existing immigration laws will have and do. So far, the federal
government has utterly failed to do that.If the feds can't
enforce existing laws, why should anyone believe they would do any better with
new laws? Actions speak louder than words, Mr Obama.
This die was cast years ago. I remember seeing immigrant farm labor camps before
Obama was even in school. Nobody did anything to stem the tide because after
all, the only thing better than cheap labor is slave labor. WE have created this
mess and WE, meaning all of us will have to put away our "blinders on"
partisanship and arrive at a solution. All this blame game malarkey is just
Article 4 Section for of the U.S. Constitution: The United States shall
guarantee to every State in this Union ... shall protect each of them against
Invasion.Marriage is meaningless, the constitution is meaningless.
It's not all that surprising that it's coming to an end, but how fast.
Thank you, Governor Herbert! We need to see some significant action and common
sense by more Governors. These children will indeed impact our already
overcrowded school systems and cause a real burden by overwhelming the
classrooms with many non-English speaking children. The diseases they bring is
still another issue. It could be devastating.My heart goes out to
these children, but we need to close and secure our southern border. We cannot
continue to allow children, young adults, mothers, and gang members to flow
freely into our country. Action needs to be taken now! We can see that it is not
going to happen in the Obama administration, so the states are going to have to
Obama caused this mess with his DACA, and through his push for amnesty for
illegals - what the crooked politicians call "immigration reform". These
illegals, many of whom are already recruited by the gangs and cartels, believe
they can stay, because the democrats have been announcing amnesty to the world.
Otherwise they wouldn't be poring over the border right now by the
thousands. The whole thing stinks of corruption between the Obama regime, the
chamber of commerce, and the corrupt mexican government that is herding them
through mexico.Obama has no intention of sending any of them back,
or reinforcing the border. He WANTS this country to be overrun with illegals
from mexico, because he knows they all will become democrat voters. Democrats
dependent upon government entitlements that is.
@RichieRight on! This is a manufactured crisis, not something that
popped out of the blue. Obama is killing this nation.
Obama doesn't care about our borders so long as the United States of
America is destroyed and he raises enough money to buy a Democratic senate, for
the last two years of his term in office.
Many states are simply dead weight. Texas supplies much of the income for the
federal government, and is carrying much of the burden.Manufacturing, oil, farming, tourism, and seaports make Texas a very valuable
state.Not securing the border will eventually take its toll, and
Texas will become another California, or New York. Bankrupt!Our
country will likely collapse.Why is our commander not protecting the
The numbers are dropping because of the heat. It always drops in July and
August, but rebounds in September. Obama's administration has
the power to return them to their own country. The 2008 law was written with an
opt out for "exceptional circumstances".This mess is proof
that amnesty and rewarding bad behavior only increases it in the future.
Obama's waivers have caused this mess.