dave4197Do you employ illegal aliens? Many unscrupulous
businessmen in America, do. Thus they have ulterior, purely
motivations for their "compassion."How odd that they seem to
have no compassion for the American victim of illegal immigration -- including
American children, more and more of whom are impoverished today as a direct
result of illegal immigration, illegal hiring of illegal aliens, and the
resulting breakdown in wages, which of course translates to an increase in
poverty amongh American children (especially in Utah, incidentally).
They are not refugees, refugees have to apply from their own country and get
permission to come here. They are here for the amnesty. They know that Obama is
not going to send them back. For $5,000-10,000 they could come here legally.
Central America does not have a long wait.This happened before, in
1997 we gave over a million people amnesty from Central America. Question is,
will we let it happen again?From the June 20th edition of the DN."After weeks of insistence that criminal violence was responsible for the
surge of Central American migrants, the U.S. has begun a regional
public-relations campaign to fight the widespread belief in Central America that
children and families will be allowed to stay in the U.S. if they are caught by
the Border Patrol.That belief has been fueled both by migrant
smugglers seeking more clients, and by calls home from children and families who
have been released by the thousands in recent years, with notices to appear in
immigration court, because there are no facilities to hold them."
The distinction between the listed examples and the current situation has to do
with the intent of the benefactor. In each of those situations, the giver of
the benefit (The U.S. and other nations) saw dramatic, real and difficult
circumstances for children who were not citizens. Because of the sense of
immediacy the country took action to bring the children into the country to
offer aid and assistance.The immediate situation is brought about
because the families of the foreign children see an opportunity to better their
situation by forcing the issue - at the invitation of those who have decided to
not enforce the existing immigration laws, and to create government assistance
to be given without condition.Much humanitarian assistance is
already available to these "refugees" through both our own government
and many non-governmental organizations (including churches). The
"refugees" in the listed examples are not the same kind of
"refugees" that we see massively insisting on such status at this point
in time. Apples and Oranges.
If Obama's liberal friends actually did step up to the plate and take care
of these illegal aliens, we wouldn't be having all this antagonism.They don't, and probably never will.To many on the left
- charity is only a good thing if its' mandatory.
patriotyour clueless claim hit me at home, I do think these people are
refugees, and I live far from the border you claim is being overrun, so your aim
struck me.My response is to recognize these refugees are poor and are
fleeing from danger towards safety and are finding family or extended family to
live with here, so I try to help them. And promote the idea that we should help
them. And support this editorial in case some might be motivated by fear of the
judgement of history which will surely be one of disgust for those who turn away
refugees from our country with its assets of schools, hospitals, and a
relatively strong economy. I'm in. I'm with helping these people
now.Of course there are long term problems to be dealt with. Save your
breath and words till the immediate needs are being taken care of. Open your
house, your community, your heart patriot. Join me and others in a good quest.
Or stifle as Archie Bunker would say, stifle. Help or get out of the way.
Some DN readers have warned that these children might be "plants" who
have come to the US to establish gangs here.Right.Back
in 1968 we were in the process of adopting two children from Korea. One man
warned us that the orphanage, located in Il San, was only 9 miles from the North
Korean border, and that the children coming from that orphanage might have some
Communist indoctrination. He was serious.I commented that they were
only seven months old. He was not dissuaded, assuring me that "you never
The good news is we actually don't live in the America the right wants. We
just have to listen to their nasty complaining and periodically beat off their
policies. What's funny also if you stop and think about it is
this land was Spanish speaking 200 years ago and we, yes we violently took it
from them. Now they are just walking in and re-taking it and all the private
guns and macho bravado really can't do much about it.
Here's a quiz for you:What's the difference between Obama
parading children around in an effort to pass amnesty and Palestinians using
injured children as a photo op?Answer: Not much.
Patriot. The murder rate in Honduras is 600 times greater than the most violent
American city. They are absolutely refugees. And yes, we have already made
arrangements to welcome these refugees into our home. Your anger over this issue
suggests a deeply seated guilt. In your heart, you know you're wrong.
How is wanting the laws of the land enforced hate?
re:E Samhave you opened your home up - and your wallet and bank account?
How many thousands of dollars are you willing to give? It is real easy to set
here in Utah isn't it thousands of miles from the border and bash the small
towns being overrun with illegals and call them terrible names but it quite a
different matter if you were on the front lines having to shoulder the invasion
. Keep something else in mind - these are NOT and I repeat NOT refugees. There
is NO war there . There is NO extermination going on there. No this current
crisis is nothing more than a political invitation by Barack Obama to these
people to come and break the law in America and overwhelm the system and for
what purpose? Barack and Reid and others have made it clear their intention is
to create amnesty one way or the other and for the sole purpose of creating more
political power for themselves - more dependent voters in their pockets. I am
disgusted at how many clueless people have fallen for this political trick.
"History will remember. Not kindly." Amen, Amen.Sadly this
nasty vitriolic speech is nothing new for todays Republicans who seem motivated
by hate. During the Bush administration, after 9/11, after Iraq, and
as the economy fell into free fall still when asked if they hoped Bush's
policies would succeed 40% of Democrats said yes. It would have been hard to
find a Democrat that thought they would but did they hope they would succeed
yes. Today the percent of Republicans who say they would still hope
Obamas policies would succeed 14%.Read these comments and look at
these numbers and you don't have to guess how history will look at this
Some hard facts.He also offered the following facts:◾In 2011,
approximately 6,000 unaccompanied minors came to the United States.◾In 2012, when President Obama issued DACA, the number of unaccompanied
minors arriving in the United States rose to 14,000.◾In 2013, the
number of unaccompanied minors arriving in the United States rose to 34,000.◾In 2014, Customs and Border Protection estimate 90,000 unaccompanied
minors may be apprehended.◾In 2015, the Obama Administration has
stated it expects 145,000 unaccompanied minors to enter the United States.Amnesty just creates more problems. In the long term, it has nothing to
do with compassion, as it just encourages more to break the laws. History tells
us that not protecting our borders, or a break down in laws, creates a break
down in society, and in our countries greatness.
If we do what many want to do, future generations will see this generation of
leaders as disgraceful...
Roland Kayser: "I've seen the pictures of people protesting these kids.
They look eerily similar to the pictures of people protesting the integration of
southern schools."And I see Hamas using children as shields, and
see the same thing here with Obama and his reform agenda. Just 28% of the public
approves of the way he is handling the surge of children from Central America
(PEW). And the majority want the system speeded up, and the children returned to
their parents. If the same groups had not used the compassion
argument in the 90's (six amnesties, including one million from Central
America), we would not have this problem today. Enforce the laws now, so we
don't have the same problem in the future.
I've heard this song and dance for 28 years. It solved nothing then, and it
solves nothing now. We let in more people legally than anytime in
history, there is no reason to accept or reward people coming here illegally.
History will judge, not the American people, but the organizations,
Churches, business, media and politicians that encourage this illegal behavior,
then demand they be rewarded.
Sooooooooo what's so wrong with actually punishing business owners who
break the law?If we cut off the demand for cheap illegal labor then
this whole issue wouldn't be happening.
The New York Times reported on July 3, 2014, that 290,000 illegal immigrants
have already been or soon will be released into the United States. It's not
just children. We are seeing people come here for the amnesty. How will history judge those who encouraged this disgraceful period in
this countries history?
History will remember. Not kindly.
RE: SEY "Absent in this discussion is one of the root causes for this
problem: America's shameful war on drugs. U.S. policies provide the
breeding ground for black markets and criminal behavior that make life so
dangerous south of our borders. Legalizing drugs would go a long way toward
removing incentives for crime and black markets."I don't no
why this didn't occur to me. Maybe because the media don't focus on
it. Our war on drugs and our appetite for drugs has made Latin America a hell
hole, and these innocent children are a symptom. Thanks for bringing it up.
Open hearted Republican hung the OPEN sign when GWBush was in office. Utah
started out a bit slow and than went over board with it. Hire illegal aliens
because it saves big money and you get a lot of bang for your buck. You got your
moneys worth alright. Now you have to pay and pay and pay. Republicans
imported illegal aliens to break the American worker down to 1978 wages. If you
are not a Yuppie or a business owner then you are not entitled to make a livable
wage. You can be replaced by an illegal alien and most have been. I
remember being a construction worker was a proud thing. Now it is jobs for
illegal aliens. But don't rock the boat because if you deport to many
illegals than Republicans will have to pay a livable wage. Why pay an American
tradesman $24 an hour when you can get Juan or Jose to do it for $6 an hour.
Republicans never considered the long term effects of importing cheap labor.
Just make me rich for now is all Republicans have ever cared about.
I think all those people willing to take in these kids should sign up thru some
online petition process to do so. And if there are siblings involved to take
them as well and raise them as their own, without any additional government
assistance. Then let's see if they will put their money, hearts, time and
love where their mouths are. Not trying to be negative at all. I'm just
saying that it's fine to say let's take these kids in. But you have to
be willing to do it yourself as well.
I sincerely doubt it, but I hope that this display at the border is a turning
point; that these lessons have been learned:1) A president should be
stripped of the power to unilaterally change the law in such a way that it
attracts foreigners to our border with the impression that they are going to get
in without following immigration laws.2) We must eliminate the loopholes
that benefit law-breaking trespassers.3) Enforcement is the key to
deterrence.4) Special interest like La Raza and the Chamber of Commerce
must take a back seat to the national interest when it comes to policy and
legislation.I doubt that this issue is powerful enough to generate
the political will to enforce the law...but a guy can dream.
The elephant in the room is the drug trade. Children are escaping from
conditions created primarily by drug cartels. Law enforcement has been
ineffective in controlling them, and in fact has been corrupted to the point of
being controlled by them to a significant extent. At some point,
Americans will have to face the fact that the war on drugs is a major factor in
intensifying this immigration debacle. What would happen if profits vanished
from the illegal drug market? Is such a thing possible? It's
way past time to admit that the war on drugs greatly benefits the drug trade
many times more than it harms it. Just like alcohol prohibition, the policy
succeeds only in creating modern day Al Capones and a culture of crime. It needs
From a strictly practical standpoint, how will our schools be affected, with
thousands of new students, most who don't speak English? What about our
medical facilities? What do we do when thousands, or even millions, more come
in the next few months? What about our multi-trillion dollar debt? Where does
the money come from? Just borrow more money? Seems to me that these issues
need to be addressed before we allow unlimited numbers into our borders. I
don't think it is being inhumane to look at the issues & the whole
picture of how these people being here will affect U.S. citizens.
How on earth can your refer to these illegal aliens as refugees? That is so far
fetched that it defies logic. According to the Pew Poll released yesterday, a
full 84% of them are teens and many are in their 20's and many are gang
related. Everyday the Desert News has some article about some poor illegal
aliens and it is so one-sided in the reporting that I've begun to question
their objectivity in any reporting. We have a 17 trillion dollar debt we
can't possibly care for the whole of Central America.
Nothing brings out the hair-on-fire haters like an appeal for common decency and
the word Latino. I've never been all that clear on what people mean when
the say something like "It's the Christian thing to do" but
whatever it means I'm pretty sure that a lot of what I'm reading here
The root problem. Maybe it is our selfishness. I do think this humanitarian /
refugee crisis needs swift action with a Christian attitude of helping our
neighbors. And I keep looking at news stories to find that kind of action
highlighted. What is highlighted unfortunately is political hype, not a hint at
a solution to the "root problem" of stopping violence and corruption in
central American countries. Maybe the root problem is our own
selfishness, protecting our nice neighborhoods, saving our good jobs. Who wants
to sacrifice anyway, to help some poor people? Certainly not many of the
posters above.Let's open our homes and help our neighbors, let's
enlist charitable organizations to open buildings and bring in food and bedding
and other necessities. It's not solely the federal gov't's
problem to solve. It's all of ours.Good editorial, DN, history will
look at what we are doing as a community this time, and probably call it
This editorial attempts to take the moral high ground but, like with the
principles of the Utah Compact, it fails miserably.The issue now, as then,
is whether or not we are willing to act in the national best interest when it
comes to immigration policy, or "reform" it to benefit employers,
activists, and religious groups?I get it. The Deseret News favors
amnesty.I do not.To contort anti-trafficking laws so they benefit
human smugglers is only the tip of the iceberg. Obama is proving the coyotes
right when they told these families they would get permisos just for showing up
at the border. His non-enforcement strategy does just that. Let's not
assist him in his sham of loopholes and executive orders.
refugee crisis? Don't you mean Illegal Invasion? Send them back now. Pass
E-Verify cut off all freebies, and the majority of those already here will self
deport when they can't work anywhere or get freebies! Put our Military on
the Border Now!
I feel sorry for the Republican Party that there are so many radicals amongst
their ranks. They make it impossible for Republicans to settle upon any
legislation or action, especially when it comes to immigration. Some of the
above comments demonstrate fringe right-wing radicalism that is truly just
downright scary. Folks calling this historical piece "propaganda"
should do more than dismiss any information they don't get from Stossel.
Sorry - the first line of the editorial is FALSE.Maybe the DN could
call somebody on the border patrol (if the border patrol will even talk to
them)and ask them about the demographics of who's arriving.Two
myths that have been debunked are that those arriving are all kids. The border
patrol says (you know the guys who really know)that between 75-80% of those
arriving are adults.One Congressman who was allowed to visit the newest
batch of illegal trespassers says its' between 85-93%.The other
glaring discrepancy is that the "open borders" crowd (you know who you
are)claims the illegal trespassers are "destitute".How can one be
destitute if they are able to raise 5-10,000 dollars to make the trek?Someone help me out with cogent answers PLEASE?
Absent in this discussion is one of the root causes for this problem:
America's shameful war on drugs. U.S. policies provide the breeding ground
for black markets and criminal behavior that make life so dangerous south of our
borders. Legalizing drugs would go a long way toward removing incentives for
crime and black markets.
You've really jumped the shark on this one Deseret News. You know full well
that they are coming here for "Obama's amnesty". It was reported in
your paper on June 20th of this year. I think we all know by the
400,000 adults and 60,000 children who have arrived this year, that amnesty just
attracts more people here illegally. How will history judge those who encouraged
this surge by their inaction? The children in your examples were
here legally. I see a difference between legal and illegal.
There is no way you can compare today's immigration fiasco with any of the
items in the opinion piece. This is like comparing apples to peanut butter, it
is nonsense.Those mentioned in the past were brought here, they were
invited in but not today's, they are sneaking in. Do you invite someone
who breaks into your home to stay or do you call the cops? I guess this opinion
makes it legal for me to walk into the deseret news offices and help myself to
whatever I would like. I will pass this on to all the homeless that can be
found in your neighborhood as they will be happy to know of your generosity.
Thank you for being so tolerant.We should be remembered for feeding them,
giving them medical care and then sending them home, all for free. They paid
much more than that for the opposite trip. Ee we are nicer than the others.
I've seen the pictures of people protesting these kids. They look eerily
similar to the pictures of people protesting the integration of southern
As for the human trafficking part,(along with the rape of young boys and girls
happening), that would not be happening to them if they had not begun the
journey in the first place and put into the hand of some of the most evil
people on Earth. The drug cartels. And, as the article states, in the past we
have taken in a "few thousand". What happens when this becomes a few
million? If the draw is not stopped, that is what it will become. Plus, much
as I don't like pointing it out, the fact is, not all immigrants are the
same. When living in California I saw many first generation Vietnamese learn
English and go on to excell in school and university. For some reason a lot of
the Latino community doesn't seem to put a premium on learning English, and
therefore will not be able to excell and move up. That puts a much greater
lifetime burden on our social services and taxes. That is an issue that has to
be addressed, but few will because it will be called racist to even point it
@ techpubs, while you are correct that the editorial is not specific as to the
root of the problem or how to fix it, that's not really the point of the
editorial. We have a humanitarian crisis, and the response of many is
heartless, cruel and un-Christian. We can handle it if only the right wing
would allow it.As for solutions, when the GOP points the finger at
the President, they are trying to deflect responsibility for their lack of
action. The root problems could be addressed, but all the right can offer are
more walls and "better enforcement." What is ironic is that enforcement
can start here at home, but the GOP crowd wouldn't like it. There is
blatant hypocrisy at play, including the fact that while Republicans say they
love the free market system, they work contrary to the free market system on
The opposition to humanitarian action that many espouse is shameful. We can and
should do more. We can handle it. We can afford it. This editorial is
right.Again, the lack of resolution of the immigration issue is
something I place squarely at the feet of the Republican Party. They are trying
to deflect responsibility and point the finger at others, but they are the ones
who refuse to act, or even bring it up for a vote.
Besides the immigration issue, there are quite a number of issues history is
going to look back at us harsly about. War. Civil rights. Women's
rights. etc. We are not always as good as we like to think about ourselves.
Interesting article that does nothing to identify the cause of this so-called
crisis nor does it offer any suggestions on fixing the root problems.
Absolutely right. Will we open our hearts and homes and welcome these kids, as
the Christians we profess to be? Or will we give in to xenophobic legalism, and
meaningless buzz words, like 'amnesty'?
Surely the Deseret News is aware that it has been amply demonstrated that those
crossing the Texas border illegally are not escaping bona fide, imminent danger
but rather are responding to assurances by Obama and others that if they enter
this country, they will not be deported. Yet the paper is deliberately giving
an impression that they are escaping imminent danger. Yet it does so in a
plausibly deniable manner, by couching it as an "understanding" -- i.e.,
"The compassionate stance UNDERSTANDS they fled to escape poverty."
(upper caps mine) This way it can say that it didn't actually assert it as
a point of fact. Likewise the DN ever so subtly is insinuating that
opposition to the illegal-alien invasion is Nazi-esque. Bu again the paper can
plausibly deny this too by simply stating, "But we only said it is
REMINISCENT; we didn't say it is the case." And the DN is
subtly implying, yet again, that enforcement of immigration law is inhumane and
unhelpful -- indeed that it is "harsh and hostile." Yet
here too the paper may plausibly deny actually making an assertion, that it only
is asking how the nation will be viewed.
I see it much differently. History will remember the dishonesty perpetuated on
the American people by many groups, the lack of immigration enforcement, and how
the pro-illegal groups used children as pawns. They will wonder how people sat
by and let it happen. People in the future will wonder why we
rewarded illegal behavior with amnesty, and expected it to solve the problem.
With all the genealogy sites on line, it's easy to see just how
many children came here by themselves. Two thirds of the children who are now
crossing our border are with parents, guardians or have family here. Many of the
children who came here legally before 1976 were alone, and either re-united with
parents or family.
I cannot believe this propaganda piece. Shame on the author for trying to
inflict guilt upon anyone that opposes this foreign invasion.Maybe 1
in a 100 of the people illegally coming over the border is a child. The rest
are adults, or older teenagers, mostly male, many with ties to gangs and have
criminal records. In States across the US many violent crimes are being
committed by people that have come into the country illegally.If the
conditions are so terrible in the countries that these people are fleeing from,
would it not be better for the US to pressure these countries to clean up the
corruption and violence in these countries.Go to youtube and search
"La Beatie"? How many children do you see riding atop the trains?Gather up the children, treat them for any illnesses, When they have
regained their health send them back to their parents in their home countries.
I absolutely agree with your editorial. Like everything else this crisis is
being used as an excuse to hammer the administration. On this issue could we
give it a rest?The United States is probably the largest trading
partner for all of the source countries. Could we get some corporate help in
handling this load?But it would appear this situation will inflict
permanent harm on a whole lot of kids.