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In our opinion: History will remember our response to the current Central American refugee crisis

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  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    July 25, 2014 4:16 p.m.

    dave4197

    Do you employ illegal aliens?

    Many unscrupulous businessmen in America, do.

    Thus they have ulterior, purely motivations for their "compassion."

    How odd that they seem to have no compassion for the American victim of illegal immigration -- including American children, more and more of whom are impoverished today as a direct result of illegal immigration, illegal hiring of illegal aliens, and the resulting breakdown in wages, which of course translates to an increase in poverty amongh
    American children (especially in Utah, incidentally).

  • RRB SLC, UT
    July 25, 2014 3:59 p.m.

    They are not refugees, refugees have to apply from their own country and get permission to come here. They are here for the amnesty. They know that Obama is not going to send them back. For $5,000-10,000 they could come here legally. Central America does not have a long wait.

    This happened before, in 1997 we gave over a million people amnesty from Central America. Question is, will we let it happen again?

    From the June 20th edition of the DN.
    "After weeks of insistence that criminal violence was responsible for the surge of Central American migrants, the U.S. has begun a regional public-relations campaign to fight the widespread belief in Central America that children and families will be allowed to stay in the U.S. if they are caught by the Border Patrol.

    That belief has been fueled both by migrant smugglers seeking more clients, and by calls home from children and families who have been released by the thousands in recent years, with notices to appear in immigration court, because there are no facilities to hold them."

  • Mikhail ALPINE, UT
    July 25, 2014 1:06 p.m.

    The distinction between the listed examples and the current situation has to do with the intent of the benefactor. In each of those situations, the giver of the benefit (The U.S. and other nations) saw dramatic, real and difficult circumstances for children who were not citizens. Because of the sense of immediacy the country took action to bring the children into the country to offer aid and assistance.

    The immediate situation is brought about because the families of the foreign children see an opportunity to better their situation by forcing the issue - at the invitation of those who have decided to not enforce the existing immigration laws, and to create government assistance to be given without condition.

    Much humanitarian assistance is already available to these "refugees" through both our own government and many non-governmental organizations (including churches).

    The "refugees" in the listed examples are not the same kind of "refugees" that we see massively insisting on such status at this point in time. Apples and Oranges.

  • 1conservative WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    July 25, 2014 10:42 a.m.

    If Obama's liberal friends actually did step up to the plate and take care of these illegal aliens, we wouldn't be having all this antagonism.

    They don't, and probably never will.

    To many on the left - charity is only a good thing if its' mandatory.

  • dave4197 Redding, CA
    July 25, 2014 9:05 a.m.

    patriot
    your clueless claim hit me at home, I do think these people are refugees, and I live far from the border you claim is being overrun, so your aim struck me.
    My response is to recognize these refugees are poor and are fleeing from danger towards safety and are finding family or extended family to live with here, so I try to help them. And promote the idea that we should help them. And support this editorial in case some might be motivated by fear of the judgement of history which will surely be one of disgust for those who turn away refugees from our country with its assets of schools, hospitals, and a relatively strong economy. I'm in. I'm with helping these people now.
    Of course there are long term problems to be dealt with. Save your breath and words till the immediate needs are being taken care of. Open your house, your community, your heart patriot. Join me and others in a good quest. Or stifle as Archie Bunker would say, stifle. Help or get out of the way.

  • Laura Bilington Maple Valley, WA
    July 25, 2014 8:07 a.m.

    Some DN readers have warned that these children might be "plants" who have come to the US to establish gangs here.

    Right.

    Back in 1968 we were in the process of adopting two children from Korea. One man warned us that the orphanage, located in Il San, was only 9 miles from the North Korean border, and that the children coming from that orphanage might have some Communist indoctrination. He was serious.

    I commented that they were only seven months old. He was not dissuaded, assuring me that "you never know".

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    July 25, 2014 7:47 a.m.

    The good news is we actually don't live in the America the right wants. We just have to listen to their nasty complaining and periodically beat off their policies.

    What's funny also if you stop and think about it is this land was Spanish speaking 200 years ago and we, yes we violently took it from them. Now they are just walking in and re-taking it and all the private guns and macho bravado really can't do much about it.

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    July 25, 2014 6:34 a.m.

    Here's a quiz for you:
    What's the difference between Obama parading children around in an effort to pass amnesty and Palestinians using injured children as a photo op?
    Answer: Not much.

  • E Sam Provo, UT
    July 24, 2014 11:45 p.m.

    Patriot. The murder rate in Honduras is 600 times greater than the most violent American city. They are absolutely refugees. And yes, we have already made arrangements to welcome these refugees into our home. Your anger over this issue suggests a deeply seated guilt. In your heart, you know you're wrong.

  • RRB SLC, UT
    July 24, 2014 10:33 p.m.

    How is wanting the laws of the land enforced hate?

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    July 24, 2014 10:17 p.m.

    re:E Sam
    have you opened your home up - and your wallet and bank account? How many thousands of dollars are you willing to give? It is real easy to set here in Utah isn't it thousands of miles from the border and bash the small towns being overrun with illegals and call them terrible names but it quite a different matter if you were on the front lines having to shoulder the invasion . Keep something else in mind - these are NOT and I repeat NOT refugees. There is NO war there . There is NO extermination going on there. No this current crisis is nothing more than a political invitation by Barack Obama to these people to come and break the law in America and overwhelm the system and for what purpose? Barack and Reid and others have made it clear their intention is to create amnesty one way or the other and for the sole purpose of creating more political power for themselves - more dependent voters in their pockets. I am disgusted at how many clueless people have fallen for this political trick.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    July 24, 2014 9:51 p.m.

    "History will remember. Not kindly." Amen, Amen.

    Sadly this nasty vitriolic speech is nothing new for todays Republicans who seem motivated by hate.

    During the Bush administration, after 9/11, after Iraq, and as the economy fell into free fall still when asked if they hoped Bush's policies would succeed 40% of Democrats said yes. It would have been hard to find a Democrat that thought they would but did they hope they would succeed yes.

    Today the percent of Republicans who say they would still hope Obamas policies would succeed 14%.

    Read these comments and look at these numbers and you don't have to guess how history will look at this era.

  • RRB SLC, UT
    July 24, 2014 9:24 p.m.

    Some hard facts.
    He also offered the following facts:
    ◾In 2011, approximately 6,000 unaccompanied minors came to the United States.
    ◾In 2012, when President Obama issued DACA, the number of unaccompanied minors arriving in the United States rose to 14,000.
    ◾In 2013, the number of unaccompanied minors arriving in the United States rose to 34,000.
    ◾In 2014, Customs and Border Protection estimate 90,000 unaccompanied minors may be apprehended.
    ◾In 2015, the Obama Administration has stated it expects 145,000 unaccompanied minors to enter the United States.

    Amnesty just creates more problems. In the long term, it has nothing to do with compassion, as it just encourages more to break the laws. History tells us that not protecting our borders, or a break down in laws, creates a break down in society, and in our countries greatness.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    July 24, 2014 9:17 p.m.

    If we do what many want to do, future generations will see this generation of leaders as disgraceful...

  • RRB SLC, UT
    July 24, 2014 9:03 p.m.

    Roland Kayser: "I've seen the pictures of people protesting these kids. They look eerily similar to the pictures of people protesting the integration of southern schools."

    And I see Hamas using children as shields, and see the same thing here with Obama and his reform agenda. Just 28% of the public approves of the way he is handling the surge of children from Central America (PEW). And the majority want the system speeded up, and the children returned to their parents.

    If the same groups had not used the compassion argument in the 90's (six amnesties, including one million from Central America), we would not have this problem today. Enforce the laws now, so we don't have the same problem in the future.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    July 24, 2014 8:33 p.m.

    I've heard this song and dance for 28 years. It solved nothing then, and it solves nothing now.

    We let in more people legally than anytime in history, there is no reason to accept or reward people coming here illegally.

    History will judge, not the American people, but the organizations, Churches, business, media and politicians that encourage this illegal behavior, then demand they be rewarded.

  • FreedomFighter41 Provo, UT
    July 24, 2014 7:55 p.m.

    Sooooooooo what's so wrong with actually punishing business owners who break the law?

    If we cut off the demand for cheap illegal labor then this whole issue wouldn't be happening.

  • prelax Murray, UT
    July 24, 2014 6:36 p.m.

    The New York Times reported on July 3, 2014, that 290,000 illegal immigrants have already been or soon will be released into the United States. It's not just children.

    We are seeing people come here for the amnesty.

    How will history judge those who encouraged this disgraceful period in this countries history?

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    July 24, 2014 5:22 p.m.

    History will remember. Not kindly.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    July 24, 2014 5:21 p.m.

    RE: SEY "Absent in this discussion is one of the root causes for this problem: America's shameful war on drugs. U.S. policies provide the breeding ground for black markets and criminal behavior that make life so dangerous south of our borders. Legalizing drugs would go a long way toward removing incentives for crime and black markets."

    I don't no why this didn't occur to me. Maybe because the media don't focus on it. Our war on drugs and our appetite for drugs has made Latin America a hell hole, and these innocent children are a symptom. Thanks for bringing it up.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    July 24, 2014 3:25 p.m.

    Open hearted Republican hung the OPEN sign when GWBush was in office. Utah started out a bit slow and than went over board with it. Hire illegal aliens because it saves big money and you get a lot of bang for your buck. You got your moneys worth alright. Now you have to pay and pay and pay.
    Republicans imported illegal aliens to break the American worker down to 1978 wages. If you are not a Yuppie or a business owner then you are not entitled to make a livable wage. You can be replaced by an illegal alien and most have been.

    I remember being a construction worker was a proud thing. Now it is jobs for illegal aliens. But don't rock the boat because if you deport to many illegals than Republicans will have to pay a livable wage. Why pay an American tradesman $24 an hour when you can get Juan or Jose to do it for $6 an hour. Republicans never considered the long term effects of importing cheap labor. Just make me rich for now is all Republicans have ever cared about.

  • EJM Herriman, UT
    July 24, 2014 1:55 p.m.

    I think all those people willing to take in these kids should sign up thru some online petition process to do so. And if there are siblings involved to take them as well and raise them as their own, without any additional government assistance. Then let's see if they will put their money, hearts, time and love where their mouths are. Not trying to be negative at all. I'm just saying that it's fine to say let's take these kids in. But you have to be willing to do it yourself as well.

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    July 24, 2014 1:21 p.m.

    I sincerely doubt it, but I hope that this display at the border is a turning point; that these lessons have been learned:
    1) A president should be stripped of the power to unilaterally change the law in such a way that it attracts foreigners to our border with the impression that they are going to get in without following immigration laws.
    2) We must eliminate the loopholes that benefit law-breaking trespassers.
    3) Enforcement is the key to deterrence.
    4) Special interest like La Raza and the Chamber of Commerce must take a back seat to the national interest when it comes to policy and legislation.

    I doubt that this issue is powerful enough to generate the political will to enforce the law...but a guy can dream.

  • SEY Sandy, UT
    July 24, 2014 1:18 p.m.

    The elephant in the room is the drug trade. Children are escaping from conditions created primarily by drug cartels. Law enforcement has been ineffective in controlling them, and in fact has been corrupted to the point of being controlled by them to a significant extent.

    At some point, Americans will have to face the fact that the war on drugs is a major factor in intensifying this immigration debacle. What would happen if profits vanished from the illegal drug market? Is such a thing possible?

    It's way past time to admit that the war on drugs greatly benefits the drug trade many times more than it harms it. Just like alcohol prohibition, the policy succeeds only in creating modern day Al Capones and a culture of crime. It needs to end.

  • Littlebit Salt Lake City, UT
    July 24, 2014 11:58 a.m.

    From a strictly practical standpoint, how will our schools be affected, with thousands of new students, most who don't speak English? What about our medical facilities? What do we do when thousands, or even millions, more come in the next few months? What about our multi-trillion dollar debt? Where does the money come from? Just borrow more money? Seems to me that these issues need to be addressed before we allow unlimited numbers into our borders. I don't think it is being inhumane to look at the issues & the whole picture of how these people being here will affect U.S. citizens.

  • Danish American Payson, UT
    July 24, 2014 11:26 a.m.

    How on earth can your refer to these illegal aliens as refugees? That is so far fetched that it defies logic. According to the Pew Poll released yesterday, a full 84% of them are teens and many are in their 20's and many are gang related. Everyday the Desert News has some article about some poor illegal aliens and it is so one-sided in the reporting that I've begun to question their objectivity in any reporting. We have a 17 trillion dollar debt we can't possibly care for the whole of Central America.

  • Xplor Mesquite, NV
    July 24, 2014 10:57 a.m.

    Nothing brings out the hair-on-fire haters like an appeal for common decency and the word Latino. I've never been all that clear on what people mean when the say something like "It's the Christian thing to do" but whatever it means I'm pretty sure that a lot of what I'm reading here doesn't qualify.

  • dave4197 Redding, CA
    July 24, 2014 10:48 a.m.

    The root problem. Maybe it is our selfishness. I do think this humanitarian / refugee crisis needs swift action with a Christian attitude of helping our neighbors. And I keep looking at news stories to find that kind of action highlighted. What is highlighted unfortunately is political hype, not a hint at a solution to the "root problem" of stopping violence and corruption in central American countries.
    Maybe the root problem is our own selfishness, protecting our nice neighborhoods, saving our good jobs. Who wants to sacrifice anyway, to help some poor people? Certainly not many of the posters above.
    Let's open our homes and help our neighbors, let's enlist charitable organizations to open buildings and bring in food and bedding and other necessities. It's not solely the federal gov't's problem to solve. It's all of ours.
    Good editorial, DN, history will look at what we are doing as a community this time, and probably call it disgusting.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    July 24, 2014 10:39 a.m.

    This editorial attempts to take the moral high ground but, like with the principles of the Utah Compact, it fails miserably.
    The issue now, as then, is whether or not we are willing to act in the national best interest when it comes to immigration policy, or "reform" it to benefit employers, activists, and religious groups?
    I get it. The Deseret News favors amnesty.
    I do not.
    To contort anti-trafficking laws so they benefit human smugglers is only the tip of the iceberg. Obama is proving the coyotes right when they told these families they would get permisos just for showing up at the border. His non-enforcement strategy does just that. Let's not assist him in his sham of loopholes and executive orders.

  • Carson Provo, UT
    July 24, 2014 10:26 a.m.

    refugee crisis? Don't you mean Illegal Invasion? Send them back now. Pass E-Verify cut off all freebies, and the majority of those already here will self deport when they can't work anywhere or get freebies! Put our Military on the Border Now!

  • Spangs Salt Lake City, UT
    July 24, 2014 9:58 a.m.

    I feel sorry for the Republican Party that there are so many radicals amongst their ranks. They make it impossible for Republicans to settle upon any legislation or action, especially when it comes to immigration. Some of the above comments demonstrate fringe right-wing radicalism that is truly just downright scary. Folks calling this historical piece "propaganda" should do more than dismiss any information they don't get from Stossel.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    July 24, 2014 9:21 a.m.

    Sorry - the first line of the editorial is FALSE.

    Maybe the DN could call somebody on the border patrol (if the border patrol will even talk to them)and ask them about the demographics of who's arriving.

    Two myths that have been debunked are that those arriving are all kids. The border patrol says (you know the guys who really know)that between 75-80% of those arriving are adults.
    One Congressman who was allowed to visit the newest batch of illegal trespassers says its' between 85-93%.

    The other glaring discrepancy is that the "open borders" crowd (you know who you are)claims the illegal trespassers are "destitute".
    How can one be destitute if they are able to raise 5-10,000 dollars to make the trek?

    Someone help me out with cogent answers PLEASE?

  • SEY Sandy, UT
    July 24, 2014 9:18 a.m.

    Absent in this discussion is one of the root causes for this problem: America's shameful war on drugs. U.S. policies provide the breeding ground for black markets and criminal behavior that make life so dangerous south of our borders. Legalizing drugs would go a long way toward removing incentives for crime and black markets.

  • prelax Murray, UT
    July 24, 2014 9:05 a.m.

    You've really jumped the shark on this one Deseret News. You know full well that they are coming here for "Obama's amnesty". It was reported in your paper on June 20th of this year.

    I think we all know by the 400,000 adults and 60,000 children who have arrived this year, that amnesty just attracts more people here illegally. How will history judge those who encouraged this surge by their inaction?

    The children in your examples were here legally. I see a difference between legal and illegal.

  • high school fan Huntington, UT
    July 24, 2014 8:50 a.m.

    There is no way you can compare today's immigration fiasco with any of the items in the opinion piece. This is like comparing apples to peanut butter, it is nonsense.
    Those mentioned in the past were brought here, they were invited in but not today's, they are sneaking in. Do you invite someone who breaks into your home to stay or do you call the cops? I guess this opinion makes it legal for me to walk into the deseret news offices and help myself to whatever I would like. I will pass this on to all the homeless that can be found in your neighborhood as they will be happy to know of your generosity. Thank you for being so tolerant.
    We should be remembered for feeding them, giving them medical care and then sending them home, all for free. They paid much more than that for the opposite trip. Ee we are nicer than the others.

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 24, 2014 8:50 a.m.

    I've seen the pictures of people protesting these kids. They look eerily similar to the pictures of people protesting the integration of southern schools.

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    July 24, 2014 8:34 a.m.

    As for the human trafficking part,(along with the rape of young boys and girls happening), that would not be happening to them if they had not begun the journey in the first place and put into the hand of some of the most evil people on Earth. The drug cartels. And, as the article states, in the past we have taken in a "few thousand". What happens when this becomes a few million? If the draw is not stopped, that is what it will become. Plus, much as I don't like pointing it out, the fact is, not all immigrants are the same. When living in California I saw many first generation Vietnamese learn English and go on to excell in school and university. For some reason a lot of the Latino community doesn't seem to put a premium on learning English, and therefore will not be able to excell and move up. That puts a much greater lifetime burden on our social services and taxes. That is an issue that has to be addressed, but few will because it will be called racist to even point it out.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    July 24, 2014 8:31 a.m.

    @ techpubs, while you are correct that the editorial is not specific as to the root of the problem or how to fix it, that's not really the point of the editorial. We have a humanitarian crisis, and the response of many is heartless, cruel and un-Christian. We can handle it if only the right wing would allow it.

    As for solutions, when the GOP points the finger at the President, they are trying to deflect responsibility for their lack of action. The root problems could be addressed, but all the right can offer are more walls and "better enforcement." What is ironic is that enforcement can start here at home, but the GOP crowd wouldn't like it. There is blatant hypocrisy at play, including the fact that while Republicans say they love the free market system, they work contrary to the free market system on this issue.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    July 24, 2014 8:26 a.m.

    The opposition to humanitarian action that many espouse is shameful. We can and should do more. We can handle it. We can afford it. This editorial is right.

    Again, the lack of resolution of the immigration issue is something I place squarely at the feet of the Republican Party. They are trying to deflect responsibility and point the finger at others, but they are the ones who refuse to act, or even bring it up for a vote.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    July 24, 2014 7:43 a.m.

    Besides the immigration issue, there are quite a number of issues history is going to look back at us harsly about. War. Civil rights. Women's rights. etc. We are not always as good as we like to think about ourselves.

  • techpubs Sioux City, IA
    July 24, 2014 7:17 a.m.

    Interesting article that does nothing to identify the cause of this so-called crisis nor does it offer any suggestions on fixing the root problems.

  • E Sam Provo, UT
    July 24, 2014 6:59 a.m.

    Absolutely right. Will we open our hearts and homes and welcome these kids, as the Christians we profess to be? Or will we give in to xenophobic legalism, and meaningless buzz words, like 'amnesty'?

  • anti-liar Salt Lake City, UT
    July 24, 2014 4:46 a.m.

    Surely the Deseret News is aware that it has been amply demonstrated that those crossing the Texas border illegally are not escaping bona fide, imminent danger but rather are responding to assurances by Obama and others that if they enter this country, they will not be deported. Yet the paper is deliberately giving an impression that they are escaping imminent danger. Yet it does so in a plausibly deniable manner, by couching it as an "understanding" -- i.e., "The compassionate stance UNDERSTANDS they fled to escape poverty." (upper caps mine) This way it can say that it didn't actually assert it as a point of fact.

    Likewise the DN ever so subtly is insinuating that opposition to the illegal-alien invasion is Nazi-esque. Bu again the paper can plausibly deny this too by simply stating, "But we only said it is REMINISCENT; we didn't say it is the case."

    And the DN is subtly implying, yet again, that enforcement of immigration law is inhumane and unhelpful -- indeed that it is "harsh and hostile."

    Yet here too the paper may plausibly deny actually making an assertion, that it only is asking how the nation will be viewed.

  • SLars Provo, UT
    July 24, 2014 4:35 a.m.

    I see it much differently. History will remember the dishonesty perpetuated on the American people by many groups, the lack of immigration enforcement, and how the pro-illegal groups used children as pawns. They will wonder how people sat by and let it happen.

    People in the future will wonder why we rewarded illegal behavior with amnesty, and expected it to solve the problem.

    With all the genealogy sites on line, it's easy to see just how many children came here by themselves. Two thirds of the children who are now crossing our border are with parents, guardians or have family here. Many of the children who came here legally before 1976 were alone, and either re-united with parents or family.

  • JimInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    July 24, 2014 12:45 a.m.

    I cannot believe this propaganda piece. Shame on the author for trying to inflict guilt upon anyone that opposes this foreign invasion.

    Maybe 1 in a 100 of the people illegally coming over the border is a child. The rest are adults, or older teenagers, mostly male, many with ties to gangs and have criminal records. In States across the US many violent crimes are being committed by people that have come into the country illegally.

    If the conditions are so terrible in the countries that these people are fleeing from, would it not be better for the US to pressure these countries to clean up the corruption and violence in these countries.

    Go to youtube and search "La Beatie"? How many children do you see riding atop the trains?

    Gather up the children, treat them for any illnesses, When they have regained their health send them back to their parents in their home countries.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    July 24, 2014 12:44 a.m.

    I absolutely agree with your editorial. Like everything else this crisis is being used as an excuse to hammer the administration. On this issue could we give it a rest?

    The United States is probably the largest trading partner for all of the source countries. Could we get some corporate help in handling this load?

    But it would appear this situation will inflict permanent harm on a whole lot of kids.