Just like welfare is not compassionate. Thousands in my city suffer from it.
They don't have the initiative they would have had without the free
handouts. I was about 40 before I finally made it above the poverty line. We
never took food stamps nor lived gov't subsidized housing, even though by
doing so we would have saved lots of $$$. BUT.... by NOT doing so, I had great
incentive to improve my situation. I kept at it and kept at it and finally got
to the point where I was making a decent salary. I'm not rich, but I
don't qualify for food stamps anymore! And guess what... during those
poverty years, without food stamps and all those "compassionate"
initiatives, my family and I survived. We found ways. We were never destitute
enough to even need to call on family or church assistance for food, rent, etc.
We just adjusted and survived.
I have yet to hear a politician explain how "reform" in the form of
legalization of those here illegally benefits our citizens and our society. As
Mr. Herrod points out, it certainly rewards bad behavior, and it solves a myriad
of problems for the illegal aliens themselves, but what are the benefits to the
tax-paying citizens?I fear that the "reform" Washington is selling
will not fix the real problem. I believe the real problem here is that no one
takes our immigration laws seriously. The situation is out of control. In a
shrinking world we need to control who (and how many) are allowed to come here.
We cannot possibly accommodate everyone who wants to live here. And it is unfair
to reward the self-selected.The current situation of children flooding the
border is a microcosm of the larger picture; they are taking advantage of
loopholes and a lack of enforcement. And no one in Washington has the political
will to change that.
I don't think we can generalize this situation. This article negative
events of illegal immigrant in Utah to Children showing up at the U. S. border
and makes the argument that we should not help these children because it would
only hurt them. This does not make logical sense in my mind. Just because
someone made bad choices in Utah doesn't absolve us from the responsibility
of caring for the poor or those that are in need. This is a fallacy of
association. Providing immediate relief to suffering people in my view is
compassionate. I agree that providing basic needs of food and shelter are not
enough to fix the situation. More can be done to educate and sustain. More can
be done to help fragile governments. But I completely disagree with the
argument that providing relief for these children is not compassionate.
Obviously we have to navigate between compassion and sound policy. But
conservatives like Mr. Herrod are whipping up so much hatred (oh,
unintentionally, I'm sure) among the red-meat fringe that there is now a
real prospect of riots and violence on the border--not from the immigrant side,
but from our side!
This border crisis is just Obama's Mariel Boatlift fiasco. And, the Ukraine
is his Iran Hostage Crisis; the Benghazi debacle, his Desert One; Lois Lerner
his Bert Lance; etc., etc., etc. Rather than emulate America's
greatest Democrat Presidents, Obama appears bound and determined to overtake
Carter as America's worst President.
The immigration issue is due to the working of the free market system, the law
of supply and demand. The U.S. is creating the demand for cheap labor. We are
benefiting from it. No wall in the world will stop the flow. No amount of
additional "enforcement" will work. Besides, there is virtually no
adherence to the law by Americans. My sister complains about all of the
illegals, yet has one do her yard work and other activities, and has a very good
relationship with the guy. This is emblematic of the situation. Another
problem is the insatiable appetite for drugs, which creates all sorts of
problems in Latin America. Frankly, I am weary of the moralistic huffing and
puffing of folks, coming up with all sorts of pretzel logic like this op-ed
piece, which is dead wrong and doesn't get to the root of the problem. The
solution is not that difficult, but it is one that the right wing will never
accept because they are concerned about illegal immigrants from Latin America
but not those from other countries. Do I need to say what this is?
The people who brought the cheap labor to Utah and America, now balk at using
their same argument of compassion and virtue in dealing with the little people.
The answer to the question "Why wasn't there concern
before" is simply that the real reason for the business people to support
immigration was for money. American businessmen caused the poverty south of the
border just as much as the poverty that is overtaking the people north of our
southern border. If Americans were truly compassionate, they would
not send the children and adults back to the misery of their dysfunctional
nation, we would send ships and planes to get the children and not make them
risk so much in their quest for survival.
I do find the hypocrisy of people complaining about illegals but then using them
to do lawn work, housekeeping (etc.) very sad. I brought this situation up to a
friend and she said it was the lawn service's problem not hers. It is about time we penalize the companies who hire illegal immigrants. No
jobs, far fewer illegals. The employers are making all the money off of these
people (paying far less than minimum wage). It is simple demand and supply...
Finally someone who is willing to speak the truth on this subject. We need more
leaders like Mr. Herrod. We need to enforce our existing laws,
seal the border, streamline deportations, and close all of the loopholes that
allow illegal immigrants to stay in this country. The U.S. is
having trouble taking care of our own citizens. We can't absorb the
population of Central and South America too.
Some valuable perspective on immigration policy can come from applying the
debate issues to a different context. The political right has taken an
immigration policy proposal, a simplified and short-circuited pathway to
citizenship, and pasted the the word "amnesty" on it. Conservative talk
radio (pardon the redundancy) seems to be sponsored in large part by a handful
of income tax relief companies. Their business is to negotiate with the IRS on
behalf of taxpayers who have fallen behind in their taxes and arrange
simplified, reduced payment plans for pennies on the dollar. Their ads cite
clients who "neglected" to pay taxes for years and owe hundreds of
thousands in back taxes. (How is it possible for someone to fail to pay taxes
for a decade? Can't anyone earning enough to owe $200,000 afford an
accountant?)To those who ask "what part of 'illegal'
don't you understand?" to brown-skinned border crossers, will you also
ask the same question of the white-collar tax delinquents catered to by your
favorite talk show host? Will you be honest enough to call their negotiated tax
settlements what they are, amnesty?
My understanding is that the majority of the would-be immigrants fit the
definition of refugees, because they face hunger, poverty, assault, etc., in
their home countries. If there were only 50 of them and they were Caucasians
coming from Canada, I wonder whether Mr. Herrod might be more welcoming. In
other words, does he merely view the tens of thousands of Latinos as way too
inconvenient to deal with? Let's not be like those who passed the injured
man by in the story of the Good Samaritan. Frankly, we in Utah need
to carefully consider how we treat the "other." Our record wasn't
great during the civil rights era, so let's not repeat it in dealing with
Initiative is when you find yourself in an uncomfortable status and you do
something about it. The parents and children of poverty in South American are
showing more initiative than most Americans in poverty show. The difference is
that the South Americans are more desperate and all the risk is worth even the
tiniest chance for survival. Americans in poverty probably realize there is no
Christopher N. Herrod is a real estate developer and Republican member of the
Utah House of Representatives from Provo.===Frankly, I could careless what Christopher N. Herrod says; This is what the
LDS Church officially has said on the matter -- "...this issue
is one that must ultimately be resolved by the FEDERAL government. "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is concerned that any
state legislation that only contains enforcement provisions is likely to fall
short of the high moral standard of treating each other as children of God. "The history of mass expulsion or mistreatment of individuals or
families is cause for concern especially where race, culture or religion are
involved. This should give pause to any policy that contemplates targeting any
one group, particularly if that group comes mostly from one heritage. And the text of the accompanying statement, "Responsibility of
Church Members: Avoiding Being Judgmental" Amnesty most
certainly can be part of the answer, that is called
"compromise"...And don;t give me any of that; Reagan
Amnesty - GOODObama Amnesty - BAD.I'm not buying into
anyone's partisan hypocrasy.
Until we stop employers from hiring illegals, nothing will stop illegals from
Ultra Bob is right that "The parents and children of poverty in South
American are showing more initiative than most Americans in poverty
show."However, we cannot afford to support both illegal
immigrants and U.S. citizens who want (not necessarily "need") handouts
from taxpayers. Those are actually two separate issued.Rep. Herrod
has nailed the crux of the problem- rewarding illegal behavior begets more of
it. Banks prosecute robbers, instead of giving them a $1,000 bonus on their
third robbery because prosecution deters and punishes criminals. Rewarding
criminals does not.While it may seem heartless to deny entry to
illegals, and to deport those who make it across, it will benefit millions of
Americans, and hundreds of thousands of potential illegal immigrants.Most of all, it rewards the admirable patience and law abiding behavior of the
large number of people who simply obey our laws and immigrate here legally.
They are welcome additions to our society. I urge all potential illegal
immigrants to head for the nearest U.S. consulate and start the process to come
legally.But, anyone coming here illegally must be denied entry and
So what is the christian thing to do?(since the right is so fast to throw
christianity out when they don't want to follow a healthcare law)
You're really telling me that sending these kids back to an almost certain
death is the right answer. Because so far all I can see is the right whipping up
anger against children, then offering no solution. All hate, no plans, I guess
that's the GOP of the 2010's.......
The republican lust for amnesty will only hurt the American worker.Just look, Reagan gave illegals amnesty. Did it stop illegal immigration?
Nope, it encouraged it.Bush offered it.And now King Jon
Boehner, by refusing to work with the President for a solution, is covertly
demanding amnesty. The only reason why he doesn't come out and say it is
because he knows his base would turn on him. So instead, he covertly offers it
in hopes of gaining the Latino vote while pacifying his base.When
will repubs place the well being of the country and the American people ahead of
party? Why does Boehner want to hurt the American people so bad?Time
to vote these bums out. Time to punish those who refuse to solve illegal
immigration. No one should vote for any repub who wants to reward those for
breaking our laws and punish American workers and legal immigrants.
Unfortunately some of your readers are misinformed. Nehemiah thought that
walls were necessary and a good thing. Apparently so did God. The walls saved
Israel and are saving Israel again. Why would you not want to honor the God
Jehovah and save his people here? So what scriptural basis do they have?
NADA Now what is the Biblical thing to do? Sometimes, God's answer is
"Do nothing". There are many very good reasons to believe that taking
these minor invaders in is the right thing to do. Wrong, In addition to what the
writer says, we have some other facts to put before you.Space does
not permit us to give them all to you. However, a careful read of what we have
written over time on our facebook page will give you all that you need.But
consider this: What would the world be like without an America? Would we be
speaking German, Russian or Chinese? For we are diluting America with illegals
without the opportunity to "Americanize" them and thus we are the
creators of our own demise.No nation can have open borders and remain that
nation. No nation has an unlimited treasury. America must deport.
this doesn't have to be an either / or situation. We can and should be
both compassionate as well as lawful. We can take care of these kids in a
compassionate way (food - water - etc..) and then return them safely to their
homes in Central America within 72 hours. Waiting to schedulue them for a court
date is a joke and everyone knows it - they just disapear into society and end
up on welfare at tax payer expense and of course voting for democrats. Barack
Obama created this mess on purpose for pure selfish political reasons and now
predictably he won't do anything except try to score dishonest political
points. From a Demagogue like Obama this makes perfect sense. DEMAGOGUE: a political leader who tries to get support by making false claims
and promises and using arguments based on emotion rather than reason
As Esquire pointed out, this is about supply and demand in labor markets. But
the current crisis is likewise rooted in economics. The U.S. war on drugs
reduces supply, without reducing demand. As a result, the multi-national
corporations we call 'drug cartels' compete ferociously for the highly
lucrative US market for illicit drugs. And Honduras ends up with a murder rate
500 times American rates, and these children are the collateral damage. At the
very least, if we're Christians, we must let them in, let them stay, care
for them. We created the problem, we need to help fix it.
I was around in 1986 when amnesty was tried. The fact is that very few illegal
aliens took advantage of the simplified registration process made available at
the time. The border continues to be ignored. Yes, those who come here without
following the necessary registration requirements (yes, there is an application
for "refugees")simply ignore those requirements. We should do everything
we can to assist these children. When I say "we" I do not include the
Federal government. The people of the United States should be helping these
children with food and shelter. The Federal government should be securing the
border, processing the legitimate applications, and moving away from the
attractions given to both citizens and non-citizens in the form of free things,
so as to reduce the motivation to ignore the registration process. Companies
that hire illegal aliens should be penalized (the laws are on the books but are
not being enforced consistently). Get these children reunited with their
families back in their homes. Being undocumented subjects these otherwise good
and moral people to abuses by those whose selfishness reins supreme - both those
with political and economic ambitions.
By the way - if these kids were citizens of the United States - and their
parents send them on their own to cover hundreds or thousands of miles,
subjecting them to may dangers - Social Services would take them away from their
parents and place them for adoption with people who were deemed more responsible
than their birth parents. Maybe we should put them up for adoption with U.S.
citizens. The foreseeable problem is that the children would not want to
be adopted and would do anything they could to leave the adoptive family to be
reunited with their birth parents. Lots of runaway street children would be the
result. More danger. More problems.
So the most compassionate thing to do in the long run is perhaps to gun them
down as they try to enter our borders? This would certainly send a message. What we need to do is try to help make things better in the countries of
origin. We are not being overwhelmed with refugees from any other places than
South America. This is where we may need to focus our foreign relief programs.
Let the Europeans and the Middle East solve their own problems. Our biggest
threats may be from South and Central America.
@patriotI don't know if you have kids, but if you do, imagine the
type of situation where you live in such a bad place that sending your kids,
alone, for a 1000 miles is better than them staying with you. It's pretty
awful right? There is a reason these kids are here, and it isn't lazyness
on the parents part, it's because there is a high risk of these kids dying
if they are sent back home. So is it really compassionate to send these kids
I have always wondered what we could do on the front end of the problem. I know
everyone hates foreign aid or intervention, but I wonder if it might be
warranted here. What could we do to help the situations in these countries so
there is less chaos and better economic opportunity. These children and young
men and women are coming here because they are desperate and life in their
countries not only does not provide opportunity but also is just plain life
threatening. I think in some senses we might owe these places some more
attention and funds. They were our "banana republics" and I think the
economic and political interference we have shown these countries helped create
the problem we have now.
I have a problem with a standard argument that something like the Dream Act
would encourage more illegal immigration. They will come here regardless of the
laws we pass. They are coming now even though immigration reform has been on
hold since 2008. As so many are desperate, they could care less about any
immigration compromises or so-called "amnesty." This kind of argument
was used during the Vietnam War years. Nixon aids blamed our eventually losing
South Vietnam to the communists on protestors here in America. It was argued
that it "emboldened" the North Vietnamese and the Viet Cong. They would
have fought on relentlessly regardless of opposition to the war from Americans
then. This "embolden" argument was used when the first initiatives were
presented to gradually withdraw from Iraq back when Bush was the president. We
underestimate the resolve of those determined groups we are trying to stop.
Amnesty is NOT the moral high ground here. Self-selected trespassers can hardly
be considered the most deserving of our help. What about all those who apply
through proper channels and wait their turn? What's that? Why not BOTH
groups?Well, I think we all know the answer to that. Whose country is
I am amazed at those whose over simplistic solution to a complex social,
economic and ethnic problem is to simply enforce a law that will separate
families, leaving tens of thousands of legal minor citizens here but sending
their parents home. The folks who advocate such simplicity are generally also
telling us that they are pro family. Really?
LDS Liberal:Quote 1) "Christopher N. Herrod is a real estate
developer and Republican member of the Utah House of Representatives from Provo.
Frankly, I could careless what Christopher N. Herrod says;"Quote
2) "Responsibility of Church Members: Avoiding Being Judgmental"Quote 3) "I'm not buying into anyone's partisan
hypocrasy."Did you really say these three things together in the
same post?And FYI, conservatives do not consider the amnesty granted by
Reagan as "GOOD". It was one of his biggest mistakes (and yes he had a
This could be the most complex, ugly, toughest situation that we will face
domestically in decades. to apply to legally enter the US as one
person put it, is the same as a death sentence for many as this takes at least
180 days for those with highly desired skills to 3-4 years for those who just
want to be reunited with their family.Drugs and their illicite usage
drives much of the problems in their homelands, but we can't dictate to
those governments what to do as we are as much of the problem as they are (by
our usage).Using lawn and maid services that hire illegal persons
and then say we can't dictate who they use is also putting head into the
sand. On the other side, we need to show compassion. But the
compassion needs to have long term solutions added to it or all it does is
create the equivalent of a open garbage dump near a forest full of bears. It
just attracts and the requires lethal solutions to save lives.I
don't have a good solution for all of it. Does anyone on this board?
Amnesty? Is it really “amnesty” we are talking about here?Ronald Reagan granted amnesty to over 3 MILLION illegals in 1986. And yes,
those included families with children, but it’s not the same as what is
going on now.Now, we have children coming to us . . . Unescorted by
family members. Many of them are running from a dangerous existence in Central
America. And they are seeking safety and shelter and REFUGE in America.They are REFUGEES.How does the inscription read on the
Statue of Liberty?“Give me your tired, your poor,Your
huddled masses yearning to breathe free,The wretched refuse of your
teeming shore.Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,I lift
my lamp beside the golden door!"But that was some other America,
wasn’t it?That was America before “Conservatives”
began to routinely take their marching orders from know-it-alls like Rush
Limbaugh. That was an America untainted by the likes of FOX “News”
and Right Wing Radio.The Great Right Wing Hive Mind now decrees
that the tempest-tossed should be tossed right back into the tempest . . . And
obedient “Conservatives” can only agree.
It is good to read information on illegal immigration and the invasion of the
southern border that is written by someone who understands human nature as well
as the problem at hand. The writer, Herrod, seems to understand true compassion
as well as the rule of law and these two well known basic truths usually go
together. Add to that the value of American citizenship and keeping integrity
in the sovereignty of our nation and you can see more clearly what Herrod is
trying to say.Regrettably, too many of our elected leaders, and even
some church and civic leaders, do not possess this basic understanding that
Herrod represents in his article.
Mr Herrod is mixed up The refugees coming across our border with Mexico
deserve our help, our compassion, indeed a showing of our Christian teaching and
behavior, like the commandment to love our neighbor or like a casual reading of
the parable of the good Samaritan. Mr Herrod is wrong. His attempt to
re-define amnesty is a poor attempt at editorializing, why did DN print it. Mr Herrod, amnesty is always about compassion towards anybody who did anything
you or others think wrong or ill advised. People, please step up and help
the refugees coming across our border. Let's not debate in the same breath
the need to help now! with long term complex "solutions".
Hey Casey See -"Drugs and their illicite usage drives much of
the problems in their homelands, but we can't dictate to those governments
what to do as we are as much of the problem as they are (by our usage)"Exactly!If the United States simply legalized recreational
drug use, the cartels would pretty much vanish; because the United States is
their number one customer now, and legalization would kill the illicit drug
trade.And with the legalization of recreational drugs, the drugs
could be standardized, regulated, and taxed much like cigarettes and alcohol.It's a straightforward solution, but not without difficulties.
Still, it would be much better than the state of things now.
Hey Procuradorfiscal -"Rather than emulate America's
greatest Democrat Presidents, Obama appears bound and determined to overtake
Carter as America's worst President."No worries there.Obama will never come close to Ronald Reagan's standing as
America's worst president.Don't worry - I'm sure
Reagan will retain his position for quite some time.
It should cost more to break the law than to obey it.On July 7th,
the Federal Government issued an intelligence report analyzing the influx of
illegal alien children appearing at the southern border of the United States.
They collected data in May and June in preparation for the report entitled,
Misperceptions of U. S. Policy Key Driver in Central American Migrant Surge.A survey of these migrants in late May revealed that 219 out of the 230
surveyed (that's 95%) came here because they had been told by the media
that they would be given permisos simply by showing up at the border. Further,
they were advised that immigration enforcement in the United States was so lax
that the odds of being deported were NIL.Amnesty encourages people
to break the law of Moses, is that compassionate? Have the 8th, 9th, and 10th
Commandments been rescinded?Love is sending people down the path of
righteousness; rewarding illegal/dishonest behavior is not love.
@GaryOEmma Lazarus was a poet, not an elected official.If our
immigration requirements were limited to fatigue, poverty and a desire for
freedom we would be overrun with a billion or so people. You aren't really
suggesting that a poem serve as our immigration policy, are you?
"The Obama administration moved Friday to stem a flood of Central American
children and families that has overwhelmed the U.S. immigration system,
dispatching Vice President Joe Biden to the region to warn against the perils of
the trip and announcing that it will start to detain families at the border
instead of releasing them on their own recognizance.After weeks of
insistence that criminal violence was responsible for the surge of Central
American migrants, the U.S. has begun a regional public-relations campaign to
fight the widespread belief in Central America that children and families will
be allowed to stay in the U.S. if they are caught by the Border Patrol."
DN June 20Why do people still insist that they are coming to avoid
violence? With a very short waiting list, why not come here legally. Central
American countries have waits of a year or less. It's twice as easy to come
here now, than it was before 1976.
@EsquireIt's not the law of supply and demand when one side
breaks the law. Hiring someone here illegally is still a felony, and
amnesty is not just for those here illegally, but for business also.
...this as we claim not only to know but to emulate the actions of Jesus.
The children coming here for waivers are a great example of why rewarding
illegal behavior just encourages more of it. We have had seven
amnesties, and now find 12 million people here illegally. Those amnesties did
nothing to stop illegal immigration. We have had seven amnesties.•The one in 1986 for 2.7 million aliens, the amnesty to end all
amnesties. •section 245(i) rolling amnesty of 400,000 in 1994•section 245(i) extension in 1997 of over 400,000•Central
American Relief Act that gave one million Central Americans amnesty 1997•Haitian Refugee Immigration Fairness Act a amnesty for Haitians
125,000 in1998•Late amnesty an amnesty for 400,000 that claimed they
should of been included in the 1986 act. California courts were back up for
years by the claims, finally we gave up. 2000•Life act amnesty a
continuation in 2000 of the 245(i) act 900,000 (approx)It's not
the Democrats or the Republicans, it's those that accept illegal
immigration as acceptable.
To those who imply that enforcement of immigration law is the opposite of
compassion, do you believe that God will be lacking in compassion if He bars the
unrepentant sinner from entering Heaven? Such non-compassion essentially is
what is being imputed to God by false teachers who preach that a compassionate
God would never bar anyone from Heaven. "And there shall also
be many which shall say: Eat, drink, and be merry... and if it so be that we are
guilty, God will beat us with a few stripes, and at last we shall be saved in
the kingdom of God. Yea, and there shall be many which shall teach after this
manner, false and vain and foolish doctrines..." (Book of Mormon, 2 Nephi
28:8-9) No, God is not void of compassion. Neither are
those who believe in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law -- including
immigration law. After all, there is no true compassion in
condoning -- and rewarding -- sin. The eternal principle applies
just as well on earth as it does in Heaven: God sets down the law, gives
everyone their agency to choose whether to repent and obey the law, and then
holds men accountable for their willful choices.
The border can never be defended as long as illegal aliens are offered better
paying jobs and welfare benefits for their children. Mr Herrod is right by
saying that behavior depends on what is rewarded. So if you want more bad
behavior (illegal immigration) all that you have to do is reward it. For those that sympathize with the illegal immigrants whether they are
"children" or adults, I would ask, why sympathy for them and not for the
children in our own inner cities, many of which suffer even more? Another
question would be how many? a hundred thousand, a million, ten million, or more
each year. It wouldn't matter how many, because there would always be
hundreds of millions more living in substandard situations. The best
and most efficient way to deal with world poverty is where they live. More can
be helped there than in America where it takes much more resources per person.
anti-liar:So when a mother or father willingly sends their child to
an unknown land so that they might not die or at worst to have a better life,
this is a sin?Our government can make these children political
refugees, which I would argue would be correct here based on the conditions of
these countries. Immigration LAW not an issue here perhaps. But I don't
think these children are committing sin nor do I feel that their advocates are
@Howard BealIs sending children here for waivers a sin? I believe it is.
And the LDS church tells people to come here legally. Gods laws
never change, and Churches do not have the power to change them. When I see
stories of people dying, raped and abused, I wonder how those hiring them can
live with the fact that they encouraged it. Amnesty encourages more illegal
immigration, it has to stop.
Howard Beal, the children are coming here for the amnesty. It's well
documented. Thinking amnesty will solve the problem has proven to be
a mistake, it greatly increases the problem.
Howard BealThey are not escaping violence, they are coming for
amnesty. Parents all over the world could use the same excuse. We cannot make
them refugees, a refugee has to apply from within their own country. Also two
thirds of them came here with a parent or guardian. Anyone who
encourages people to break the law are committing a sin. Under canon law a child
that finishes their 7th year, has the ability to reason, and is responsible for
their actions. Proverbs 22:6Train up a child in the way he
should go,And when he is old he will not depart from it.The
children are a diversion, as more adults are coming with them. If they counted
400,000 at the border, you can figure at least that many are being missed. The
word is out, Obama won't deport you if you come here illegally.
Mr Herrod, you are absolutely wrong.My ancestors came here as religious
refugees from Europe. A Danish family (probably didn't speak english yet,
parents plus 6 kids) and I'm not really sure how they got all the way to
SLC but part by wagon. A Scottish family whose arrangements ended in Boston
where they lived and worked a while until they could afford to pay their way to
Illinois where they worked for a while til they could outfit a wagon, promises
were not kept with this family along the way, and this family buried a child in
Wyoming, talk about a struggle. An English family remember them we fought a war
or 2 against them, this family came in several shifts to Illinois then SLC but
one stayed in Nauvoo.My point is they were like today's refugees at
the Mexican border, and they were welcomed, helped, loved by their friends and
extended family, and allowed to settle.Let's get that attitude Mr
Herrod. I'll keep trying to change your heart until you understand that
compassion is helping a person in need now. It's not politics Mr Herrod.
America is dying. Her death is reflected in the South and Central American
nations that were ravaged by businessmen from the USA. When the corporations
went international the USA went on the chopping block with the same predictable
fate as other weak nations. So where will we send our kids?
I had a contractor a few years ago who did a major overhaul at my house. He
worked by himself and subcontracted the work out he couldn't do. He was
very vocal about his religious and republican views. I had him back
last fall to do some work and as I asked him if could do something else while he
was here he said sure. I have to leave but I'll just have my Mexicans do
it. Seal the borders all you want you'll just find yourself
trying to close underground tunnels all over Texas and Arizona. Border security is a bumper sticker..ask the Israeli's.
Saying amnesty is not compassionate is like your boss saying .. that you
don't need a pay raise.
Hey Say No to BO -"Emma Lazarus was a poet, not an elected
official."Uh huh . . . And George W Bush was an elected
official, not a poet.And his immortal and incredibly naive words
"Mission Accomplished!" . . . Are NOT emblazoned there.The
copper-clad lady deserves wise words on her pedestal . . . Words indicative of a
national spirit that once was, but is no more . . . Thanks to modern
To "LDS Liberal" again you are wrong. Reagan amnesty=bad. He
compromised with your ilk. Reagan was promised that if he gave in to the
Democrat demands that the border would be secured and no more illegals would
enter. The Democrats never lived up to their part of the deal.Conservatives learned that when it comes to illegal immigration that the
Democrats will stab them in the back.There are many conservatives
that are doing the Christ like thing. They are going to the border and going
into the shelters with the detained illegals and are donating food, clothing,
and toys to them. Those same conservatives say that we should care for them
while they are here, but that the illegals must go to their home countries as
quickly as possible. The US does not have the ability to absorb that many needy
people all at once.
@redshirt. Blaming democrats instead of Reagan is typical of the right. Of
course Republicans can do no wrong.
dave4197Your ancestors probably came here legally. There is a big
difference. Back then 500,000 were allowed each year legally, now we allow over
a million. This is the greatest wave of immigration this country has ever seen,
legal or illegal. Cheap illegal labor saves business billions of
dollars each year, at a cost to the taxpayers. It's no wonder this has
become a mess, as the future of this country will be decided over the decisions
made in the near future. We are losing this country and everything it stands
for. Israel has a wall, they also have interior enforcement.
Something Obama has refused to do. Israel puts people in jail for up to 17 years
on the second offense, they also deport without a trial. Other countries enforce
their laws, America can no longer afford this lax attitude.
Kind of hilarious. We took this land from the Spanish people by force 200 years
ago and now they are just quietly re-claiming it piece by piece. Wall by wall,
lawn by lawn, restaurant by restaurant, and all the armed macho dudes can't
do a thing about it.