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Published: Tuesday, July 22 2014 5:21 p.m. MDT

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Hamath
Omaha, NE

Just like welfare is not compassionate. Thousands in my city suffer from it. They don't have the initiative they would have had without the free handouts. I was about 40 before I finally made it above the poverty line. We never took food stamps nor lived gov't subsidized housing, even though by doing so we would have saved lots of $$$. BUT.... by NOT doing so, I had great incentive to improve my situation. I kept at it and kept at it and finally got to the point where I was making a decent salary. I'm not rich, but I don't qualify for food stamps anymore! And guess what... during those poverty years, without food stamps and all those "compassionate" initiatives, my family and I survived. We found ways. We were never destitute enough to even need to call on family or church assistance for food, rent, etc. We just adjusted and survived.

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

I have yet to hear a politician explain how "reform" in the form of legalization of those here illegally benefits our citizens and our society. As Mr. Herrod points out, it certainly rewards bad behavior, and it solves a myriad of problems for the illegal aliens themselves, but what are the benefits to the tax-paying citizens?
I fear that the "reform" Washington is selling will not fix the real problem. I believe the real problem here is that no one takes our immigration laws seriously. The situation is out of control. In a shrinking world we need to control who (and how many) are allowed to come here. We cannot possibly accommodate everyone who wants to live here. And it is unfair to reward the self-selected.
The current situation of children flooding the border is a microcosm of the larger picture; they are taking advantage of loopholes and a lack of enforcement. And no one in Washington has the political will to change that.

Ryan J
Bozeman, MT

I don't think we can generalize this situation. This article negative events of illegal immigrant in Utah to Children showing up at the U. S. border and makes the argument that we should not help these children because it would only hurt them. This does not make logical sense in my mind. Just because someone made bad choices in Utah doesn't absolve us from the responsibility of caring for the poor or those that are in need. This is a fallacy of association. Providing immediate relief to suffering people in my view is compassionate. I agree that providing basic needs of food and shelter are not enough to fix the situation. More can be done to educate and sustain. More can be done to help fragile governments. But I completely disagree with the argument that providing relief for these children is not compassionate.

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

Obviously we have to navigate between compassion and sound policy. But conservatives like Mr. Herrod are whipping up so much hatred (oh, unintentionally, I'm sure) among the red-meat fringe that there is now a real prospect of riots and violence on the border--not from the immigrant side, but from our side!

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

This border crisis is just Obama's Mariel Boatlift fiasco. And, the Ukraine is his Iran Hostage Crisis; the Benghazi debacle, his Desert One; Lois Lerner his Bert Lance; etc., etc., etc.

Rather than emulate America's greatest Democrat Presidents, Obama appears bound and determined to overtake Carter as America's worst President.

Esquire
Springville, UT

The immigration issue is due to the working of the free market system, the law of supply and demand. The U.S. is creating the demand for cheap labor. We are benefiting from it. No wall in the world will stop the flow. No amount of additional "enforcement" will work. Besides, there is virtually no adherence to the law by Americans. My sister complains about all of the illegals, yet has one do her yard work and other activities, and has a very good relationship with the guy. This is emblematic of the situation. Another problem is the insatiable appetite for drugs, which creates all sorts of problems in Latin America. Frankly, I am weary of the moralistic huffing and puffing of folks, coming up with all sorts of pretzel logic like this op-ed piece, which is dead wrong and doesn't get to the root of the problem. The solution is not that difficult, but it is one that the right wing will never accept because they are concerned about illegal immigrants from Latin America but not those from other countries. Do I need to say what this is?

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

The people who brought the cheap labor to Utah and America, now balk at using their same argument of compassion and virtue in dealing with the little people.

The answer to the question "Why wasn't there concern before" is simply that the real reason for the business people to support immigration was for money. American businessmen caused the poverty south of the border just as much as the poverty that is overtaking the people north of our southern border.

If Americans were truly compassionate, they would not send the children and adults back to the misery of their dysfunctional nation, we would send ships and planes to get the children and not make them risk so much in their quest for survival.

cocosweet
Sandy, UT

I do find the hypocrisy of people complaining about illegals but then using them to do lawn work, housekeeping (etc.) very sad. I brought this situation up to a friend and she said it was the lawn service's problem not hers.

It is about time we penalize the companies who hire illegal immigrants. No jobs, far fewer illegals. The employers are making all the money off of these people (paying far less than minimum wage). It is simple demand and supply...

Klarson
Sandy, UT

Finally someone who is willing to speak the truth on this subject. We need more leaders like Mr. Herrod.

We need to enforce our existing laws, seal the border, streamline deportations, and close all of the loopholes that allow illegal immigrants to stay in this country.

The U.S. is having trouble taking care of our own citizens. We can't absorb the population of Central and South America too.

Lagomorph
Salt Lake City, UT

Some valuable perspective on immigration policy can come from applying the debate issues to a different context. The political right has taken an immigration policy proposal, a simplified and short-circuited pathway to citizenship, and pasted the the word "amnesty" on it. Conservative talk radio (pardon the redundancy) seems to be sponsored in large part by a handful of income tax relief companies. Their business is to negotiate with the IRS on behalf of taxpayers who have fallen behind in their taxes and arrange simplified, reduced payment plans for pennies on the dollar. Their ads cite clients who "neglected" to pay taxes for years and owe hundreds of thousands in back taxes. (How is it possible for someone to fail to pay taxes for a decade? Can't anyone earning enough to owe $200,000 afford an accountant?)

To those who ask "what part of 'illegal' don't you understand?" to brown-skinned border crossers, will you also ask the same question of the white-collar tax delinquents catered to by your favorite talk show host? Will you be honest enough to call their negotiated tax settlements what they are, amnesty?

Steve C. Warren
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

My understanding is that the majority of the would-be immigrants fit the definition of refugees, because they face hunger, poverty, assault, etc., in their home countries. If there were only 50 of them and they were Caucasians coming from Canada, I wonder whether Mr. Herrod might be more welcoming. In other words, does he merely view the tens of thousands of Latinos as way too inconvenient to deal with? Let's not be like those who passed the injured man by in the story of the Good Samaritan.

Frankly, we in Utah need to carefully consider how we treat the "other." Our record wasn't great during the civil rights era, so let's not repeat it in dealing with immigrants.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Initiative is when you find yourself in an uncomfortable status and you do something about it. The parents and children of poverty in South American are showing more initiative than most Americans in poverty show. The difference is that the South Americans are more desperate and all the risk is worth even the tiniest chance for survival. Americans in poverty probably realize there is no chance.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Christopher N. Herrod is a real estate developer and Republican member of the Utah House of Representatives from Provo.

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Frankly,
I could careless what Christopher N. Herrod says;

This is what the LDS Church officially has said on the matter --

"...this issue is one that must ultimately be resolved by the FEDERAL government.

"The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is concerned that any state legislation that only contains enforcement provisions is likely to fall short of the high moral standard of treating each other as children of God.

"The history of mass expulsion or mistreatment of individuals or families is cause for concern especially where race, culture or religion are involved. This should give pause to any policy that contemplates targeting any one group, particularly if that group comes mostly from one heritage.

And the text of the accompanying statement,
"Responsibility of Church Members: Avoiding Being Judgmental"

Amnesty most certainly can be part of the answer,
that is called "compromise"...

And don;t give me any of that;
Reagan Amnesty - GOOD
Obama Amnesty - BAD.

I'm not buying into anyone's partisan hypocrasy.

Atlas Smashed
Santa Monica, CA

Until we stop employers from hiring illegals, nothing will stop illegals from coming.

DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Ultra Bob is right that "The parents and children of poverty in South American are showing more initiative than most Americans in poverty show."

However, we cannot afford to support both illegal immigrants and U.S. citizens who want (not necessarily "need") handouts from taxpayers. Those are actually two separate issued.

Rep. Herrod has nailed the crux of the problem- rewarding illegal behavior begets more of it. Banks prosecute robbers, instead of giving them a $1,000 bonus on their third robbery because prosecution deters and punishes criminals. Rewarding criminals does not.

While it may seem heartless to deny entry to illegals, and to deport those who make it across, it will benefit millions of Americans, and hundreds of thousands of potential illegal immigrants.

Most of all, it rewards the admirable patience and law abiding behavior of the large number of people who simply obey our laws and immigrate here legally. They are welcome additions to our society. I urge all potential illegal immigrants to head for the nearest U.S. consulate and start the process to come legally.

But, anyone coming here illegally must be denied entry and deported immediately.

Noodlekaboodle
Poplar Grove, UT

So what is the christian thing to do?(since the right is so fast to throw christianity out when they don't want to follow a healthcare law) You're really telling me that sending these kids back to an almost certain death is the right answer. Because so far all I can see is the right whipping up anger against children, then offering no solution. All hate, no plans, I guess that's the GOP of the 2010's.......

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

The republican lust for amnesty will only hurt the American worker.

Just look, Reagan gave illegals amnesty. Did it stop illegal immigration? Nope, it encouraged it.

Bush offered it.
And now King Jon Boehner, by refusing to work with the President for a solution, is covertly demanding amnesty. The only reason why he doesn't come out and say it is because he knows his base would turn on him. So instead, he covertly offers it in hopes of gaining the Latino vote while pacifying his base.

When will repubs place the well being of the country and the American people ahead of party? Why does Boehner want to hurt the American people so bad?

Time to vote these bums out. Time to punish those who refuse to solve illegal immigration. No one should vote for any repub who wants to reward those for breaking our laws and punish American workers and legal immigrants.

TeaPartyImmigrationCoalition
port charlotte, FL

Unfortunately some of your readers are misinformed.
Nehemiah thought that walls were necessary and a good thing. Apparently so did God. The walls saved Israel and are saving Israel again. Why would you not want to honor the God Jehovah and save his people here?
So what scriptural basis do they have? NADA
Now what is the Biblical thing to do? Sometimes, God's answer is "Do nothing". There are many very good reasons to believe that taking these minor invaders in is the right thing to do. Wrong, In addition to what the writer says, we have some other facts to put before you.

Space does not permit us to give them all to you. However, a careful read of what we have written over time on our facebook page will give you all that you need.
But consider this: What would the world be like without an America? Would we be speaking German, Russian or Chinese? For we are diluting America with illegals without the opportunity to "Americanize" them and thus we are the creators of our own demise.
No nation can have open borders and remain that nation. No nation has an unlimited treasury. America must deport
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patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

this doesn't have to be an either / or situation. We can and should be both compassionate as well as lawful. We can take care of these kids in a compassionate way (food - water - etc..) and then return them safely to their homes in Central America within 72 hours. Waiting to schedulue them for a court date is a joke and everyone knows it - they just disapear into society and end up on welfare at tax payer expense and of course voting for democrats. Barack Obama created this mess on purpose for pure selfish political reasons and now predictably he won't do anything except try to score dishonest political points. From a Demagogue like Obama this makes perfect sense.

DEMAGOGUE: a political leader who tries to get support by making false claims and promises and using arguments based on emotion rather than reason

E Sam
Provo, UT

As Esquire pointed out, this is about supply and demand in labor markets. But the current crisis is likewise rooted in economics. The U.S. war on drugs reduces supply, without reducing demand. As a result, the multi-national corporations we call 'drug cartels' compete ferociously for the highly lucrative US market for illicit drugs. And Honduras ends up with a murder rate 500 times American rates, and these children are the collateral damage. At the very least, if we're Christians, we must let them in, let them stay, care for them. We created the problem, we need to help fix it.

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