Published: Tuesday, July 22 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT
Just like welfare is not compassionate. Thousands in my city suffer from it.
They don't have the initiative they would have had without the free
handouts. I was about 40 before I finally made it above the poverty line. We
never took food stamps nor lived gov't subsidized housing, even though by
doing so we would have saved lots of $$$. BUT.... by NOT doing so, I had great
incentive to improve my situation. I kept at it and kept at it and finally got
to the point where I was making a decent salary. I'm not rich, but I
don't qualify for food stamps anymore! And guess what... during those
poverty years, without food stamps and all those "compassionate"
initiatives, my family and I survived. We found ways. We were never destitute
enough to even need to call on family or church assistance for food, rent, etc.
We just adjusted and survived.
I have yet to hear a politician explain how "reform" in the form of
legalization of those here illegally benefits our citizens and our society. As
Mr. Herrod points out, it certainly rewards bad behavior, and it solves a myriad
of problems for the illegal aliens themselves, but what are the benefits to the
tax-paying citizens?I fear that the "reform" Washington is selling
will not fix the real problem. I believe the real problem here is that no one
takes our immigration laws seriously. The situation is out of control. In a
shrinking world we need to control who (and how many) are allowed to come here.
We cannot possibly accommodate everyone who wants to live here. And it is unfair
to reward the self-selected.The current situation of children flooding the
border is a microcosm of the larger picture; they are taking advantage of
loopholes and a lack of enforcement. And no one in Washington has the political
will to change that.
I don't think we can generalize this situation. This article negative
events of illegal immigrant in Utah to Children showing up at the U. S. border
and makes the argument that we should not help these children because it would
only hurt them. This does not make logical sense in my mind. Just because
someone made bad choices in Utah doesn't absolve us from the responsibility
of caring for the poor or those that are in need. This is a fallacy of
association. Providing immediate relief to suffering people in my view is
compassionate. I agree that providing basic needs of food and shelter are not
enough to fix the situation. More can be done to educate and sustain. More can
be done to help fragile governments. But I completely disagree with the
argument that providing relief for these children is not compassionate.
Obviously we have to navigate between compassion and sound policy. But
conservatives like Mr. Herrod are whipping up so much hatred (oh,
unintentionally, I'm sure) among the red-meat fringe that there is now a
real prospect of riots and violence on the border--not from the immigrant side,
but from our side!
This border crisis is just Obama's Mariel Boatlift fiasco. And, the Ukraine
is his Iran Hostage Crisis; the Benghazi debacle, his Desert One; Lois Lerner
his Bert Lance; etc., etc., etc. Rather than emulate America's
greatest Democrat Presidents, Obama appears bound and determined to overtake
Carter as America's worst President.
The immigration issue is due to the working of the free market system, the law
of supply and demand. The U.S. is creating the demand for cheap labor. We are
benefiting from it. No wall in the world will stop the flow. No amount of
additional "enforcement" will work. Besides, there is virtually no
adherence to the law by Americans. My sister complains about all of the
illegals, yet has one do her yard work and other activities, and has a very good
relationship with the guy. This is emblematic of the situation. Another
problem is the insatiable appetite for drugs, which creates all sorts of
problems in Latin America. Frankly, I am weary of the moralistic huffing and
puffing of folks, coming up with all sorts of pretzel logic like this op-ed
piece, which is dead wrong and doesn't get to the root of the problem. The
solution is not that difficult, but it is one that the right wing will never
accept because they are concerned about illegal immigrants from Latin America
but not those from other countries. Do I need to say what this is?
The people who brought the cheap labor to Utah and America, now balk at using
their same argument of compassion and virtue in dealing with the little people.
The answer to the question "Why wasn't there concern
before" is simply that the real reason for the business people to support
immigration was for money. American businessmen caused the poverty south of the
border just as much as the poverty that is overtaking the people north of our
southern border. If Americans were truly compassionate, they would
not send the children and adults back to the misery of their dysfunctional
nation, we would send ships and planes to get the children and not make them
risk so much in their quest for survival.
I do find the hypocrisy of people complaining about illegals but then using them
to do lawn work, housekeeping (etc.) very sad. I brought this situation up to a
friend and she said it was the lawn service's problem not hers. It is about time we penalize the companies who hire illegal immigrants. No
jobs, far fewer illegals. The employers are making all the money off of these
people (paying far less than minimum wage). It is simple demand and supply...
Finally someone who is willing to speak the truth on this subject. We need more
leaders like Mr. Herrod. We need to enforce our existing laws,
seal the border, streamline deportations, and close all of the loopholes that
allow illegal immigrants to stay in this country. The U.S. is
having trouble taking care of our own citizens. We can't absorb the
population of Central and South America too.
Some valuable perspective on immigration policy can come from applying the
debate issues to a different context. The political right has taken an
immigration policy proposal, a simplified and short-circuited pathway to
citizenship, and pasted the the word "amnesty" on it. Conservative talk
radio (pardon the redundancy) seems to be sponsored in large part by a handful
of income tax relief companies. Their business is to negotiate with the IRS on
behalf of taxpayers who have fallen behind in their taxes and arrange
simplified, reduced payment plans for pennies on the dollar. Their ads cite
clients who "neglected" to pay taxes for years and owe hundreds of
thousands in back taxes. (How is it possible for someone to fail to pay taxes
for a decade? Can't anyone earning enough to owe $200,000 afford an
accountant?)To those who ask "what part of 'illegal'
don't you understand?" to brown-skinned border crossers, will you also
ask the same question of the white-collar tax delinquents catered to by your
favorite talk show host? Will you be honest enough to call their negotiated tax
settlements what they are, amnesty?
My understanding is that the majority of the would-be immigrants fit the
definition of refugees, because they face hunger, poverty, assault, etc., in
their home countries. If there were only 50 of them and they were Caucasians
coming from Canada, I wonder whether Mr. Herrod might be more welcoming. In
other words, does he merely view the tens of thousands of Latinos as way too
inconvenient to deal with? Let's not be like those who passed the injured
man by in the story of the Good Samaritan. Frankly, we in Utah need
to carefully consider how we treat the "other." Our record wasn't
great during the civil rights era, so let's not repeat it in dealing with
Initiative is when you find yourself in an uncomfortable status and you do
something about it. The parents and children of poverty in South American are
showing more initiative than most Americans in poverty show. The difference is
that the South Americans are more desperate and all the risk is worth even the
tiniest chance for survival. Americans in poverty probably realize there is no
Christopher N. Herrod is a real estate developer and Republican member of the
Utah House of Representatives from Provo.===Frankly, I could careless what Christopher N. Herrod says; This is what the
LDS Church officially has said on the matter -- "...this issue
is one that must ultimately be resolved by the FEDERAL government. "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is concerned that any
state legislation that only contains enforcement provisions is likely to fall
short of the high moral standard of treating each other as children of God. "The history of mass expulsion or mistreatment of individuals or
families is cause for concern especially where race, culture or religion are
involved. This should give pause to any policy that contemplates targeting any
one group, particularly if that group comes mostly from one heritage. And the text of the accompanying statement, "Responsibility of
Church Members: Avoiding Being Judgmental" Amnesty most
certainly can be part of the answer, that is called
"compromise"...And don;t give me any of that; Reagan
Amnesty - GOODObama Amnesty - BAD.I'm not buying into
anyone's partisan hypocrasy.
Until we stop employers from hiring illegals, nothing will stop illegals from
Ultra Bob is right that "The parents and children of poverty in South
American are showing more initiative than most Americans in poverty
show."However, we cannot afford to support both illegal
immigrants and U.S. citizens who want (not necessarily "need") handouts
from taxpayers. Those are actually two separate issued.Rep. Herrod
has nailed the crux of the problem- rewarding illegal behavior begets more of
it. Banks prosecute robbers, instead of giving them a $1,000 bonus on their
third robbery because prosecution deters and punishes criminals. Rewarding
criminals does not.While it may seem heartless to deny entry to
illegals, and to deport those who make it across, it will benefit millions of
Americans, and hundreds of thousands of potential illegal immigrants.Most of all, it rewards the admirable patience and law abiding behavior of the
large number of people who simply obey our laws and immigrate here legally.
They are welcome additions to our society. I urge all potential illegal
immigrants to head for the nearest U.S. consulate and start the process to come
legally.But, anyone coming here illegally must be denied entry and
So what is the christian thing to do?(since the right is so fast to throw
christianity out when they don't want to follow a healthcare law)
You're really telling me that sending these kids back to an almost certain
death is the right answer. Because so far all I can see is the right whipping up
anger against children, then offering no solution. All hate, no plans, I guess
that's the GOP of the 2010's.......
The republican lust for amnesty will only hurt the American worker.Just look, Reagan gave illegals amnesty. Did it stop illegal immigration?
Nope, it encouraged it.Bush offered it.And now King Jon
Boehner, by refusing to work with the President for a solution, is covertly
demanding amnesty. The only reason why he doesn't come out and say it is
because he knows his base would turn on him. So instead, he covertly offers it
in hopes of gaining the Latino vote while pacifying his base.When
will repubs place the well being of the country and the American people ahead of
party? Why does Boehner want to hurt the American people so bad?Time
to vote these bums out. Time to punish those who refuse to solve illegal
immigration. No one should vote for any repub who wants to reward those for
breaking our laws and punish American workers and legal immigrants.
Unfortunately some of your readers are misinformed. Nehemiah thought that
walls were necessary and a good thing. Apparently so did God. The walls saved
Israel and are saving Israel again. Why would you not want to honor the God
Jehovah and save his people here? So what scriptural basis do they have?
NADA Now what is the Biblical thing to do? Sometimes, God's answer is
"Do nothing". There are many very good reasons to believe that taking
these minor invaders in is the right thing to do. Wrong, In addition to what the
writer says, we have some other facts to put before you.Space does
not permit us to give them all to you. However, a careful read of what we have
written over time on our facebook page will give you all that you need.But
consider this: What would the world be like without an America? Would we be
speaking German, Russian or Chinese? For we are diluting America with illegals
without the opportunity to "Americanize" them and thus we are the
creators of our own demise.No nation can have open borders and remain that
nation. No nation has an unlimited treasury. America must deport.
this doesn't have to be an either / or situation. We can and should be
both compassionate as well as lawful. We can take care of these kids in a
compassionate way (food - water - etc..) and then return them safely to their
homes in Central America within 72 hours. Waiting to schedulue them for a court
date is a joke and everyone knows it - they just disapear into society and end
up on welfare at tax payer expense and of course voting for democrats. Barack
Obama created this mess on purpose for pure selfish political reasons and now
predictably he won't do anything except try to score dishonest political
points. From a Demagogue like Obama this makes perfect sense. DEMAGOGUE: a political leader who tries to get support by making false claims
and promises and using arguments based on emotion rather than reason
As Esquire pointed out, this is about supply and demand in labor markets. But
the current crisis is likewise rooted in economics. The U.S. war on drugs
reduces supply, without reducing demand. As a result, the multi-national
corporations we call 'drug cartels' compete ferociously for the highly
lucrative US market for illicit drugs. And Honduras ends up with a murder rate
500 times American rates, and these children are the collateral damage. At the
very least, if we're Christians, we must let them in, let them stay, care
for them. We created the problem, we need to help fix it.
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