I like conference championship games, but I think every conference in the
running for the 4-team playoffs need to have the same number of teams with two
divisions. The way it is now, a big can of worms is going be opened when the
Big 12 is left out because they came up one game short. That conference would
have to have an undefeated team in order to be included. In fact, other
conference champions with one loss could go before them. Then what happens with
a "so called" lower tier conference team happens to go undefeated and
ranked ahead of the Big 12. The Big 12 gets left out again. And if BYU goes
undefeated, well, you're right back where this whole thing started in the
first place. The big shots of college football don't like someone from
outside the circle winning what they think they deserve.
Whatsnu:Sorry to smash your blue-goggled lenses, but the Big East
had a different set of bylaws than the Pac-12. In the Pac-12, one can't be
expelled for such program shortcomings. Bottom line: We're in
for as long as we want to be, or for as long as the league continues to operate
as a going concern.
It would be nice if the path to selection for the playoff were as uniform as
possible, however the scary part of the whole selection process is that they are
admittedly moving away from objective criteria and permitting more
subjectivity.The example used repeatedly by the director is that the
committee wants to be able to take into account the fact that a team's
starting left tackle was injured when they lost a game. If the
process is going to throw the whole thing open to rampant subjectivity so losses
can be rationalize away (players missing games because of injury, suspension)the
whole thing risks becoming a popularity contest.This year for
example, if it comes down to choosing between an 11-1 PAC-12 conference champion
and FSU at 10-2 as the ACC champion (and their QB was injured and missed both of
the games they lost), it appears that the committe would feel justified in
selecting FSU. While plenty of folks would like to see the defending champion
in the playoff, should the committee be in the business of rationalizing away
what happens on the field?
Tomahawk Red"Realignment has never included, and never will
include expulsion of any team from any conference."Sorry to
burst your crimson-colored balloon, but the Temple football program was a member
of the Big East Conference until its expulsion after the 2004 season due to a
variety of program shortcomings.
CougFaninTXFrisco, TXWill four teams defect to the PAC12,
leaving the Big12 in chaos? Or could the PAC pick off six teams from the BIG12
and leave Utah and Colorado on the outside? There are 6 teams that add more
value than Utah or Colorado.------Sorry to dash your
bloo-goggled fantasy, but... nope.Realignment has never included,
and never will include expulsion of any team from any conference.I
know your fantasy is for Utah to get kicked out and have BYU replace them in the
Pac 12. But actually making that public and talking like that's a real
possibility only shows your total lack of football acumen.LOL
Sooner Ute:I agree with everything you said. It just needs to be
consistent and fair between conferences. We play nine games while the SEC and
ACC refuse to go to nine. Then the Big 12 plays nine by default because they
only have ten teams. Make it even and make it fair. I know many others feel the
same way Jimbo does, that's why the Big 12 will be essentially pressured
into expansion at some point. Everything I've read though says they'll
be looking east.
Stringer BellHow many 11+ win, AP/Coaches Top 15 seasons has Utah
had the past 10 years? 15 years? 20 years?, or EVER?Since 2006BYU - 3Utah - 2LifetimeBYU - 11Utah - 2-----------How many AP Top 25 Finishes?Since 2006BYU - 4Utah - 2LifetimeBYU - 17Utah - 5------------The reason Utah fans obsess about the "bcs"
isn't because it's more "relevant", it's because 2004 and
2008 are the only 11+ win, Top 25, conference championship seasons U have in
your entire history.The Utes didn't even crack the AP Top 25
until 1994, and even then, you weren't good enough to win a WAC
championship.Face it, the Utes weren't invited to the PAC
because of a couple of flash-in-the-pan seasons. They were invited because they
added a geographically contiguous, mid-sized television market to the PAC
footprint, without the "discomfort" of having to associate with a
religiously-based institution, regardless of the quality of their athletic
Cordon Bleu "It's laughable how even Utah fans admit that BYU's
religious culture and no Sunday play are the primary reasons why BYU isn't
already in a P5 conference, yet they continue to spew their BYU-hating narrative
that BYU's admission to a P5 conference is somehow a reflection of the
quality of BYU's athletic programs.Nothing could be further from the
truth."How many undefeated seasons has BYU had the past 10
years? 15 years? 20 years?How many BCS Bowl invites?
DuckOutta Water "I agree to some extent but as a PAC12 fan it kinda upsets
me that our guys have to have "an extra playoff game"Agreed. The
PAC12 and Big10? have the most on the line with an extra game.The
full Jimbo quote was about everyone needs to be the same (season and CCG). Only
the CCG part made the headline since that appeals locally.I'd
like to see all conferences agree to play 10 P5-level regular season games and
all have a CCG or none have a CCG. Requiring a non-conference P5 opponent (i.e.
cross-conference matchups) makes football interesting.They'll
get there. The 65 are set. All the P5 conferences are stable and onboard with
the playoffs. Details will shake out over the next couple of years.
@2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0 - "The Big 12 wants a title game,
they've made it clear."Really? Please show me where
they've made it clear. This article is clear that the Big12 does not want
a title game which mirrors everything I've read or heard.The
current system will not last long, with 5 conferences and 4 playoff spots. And
what will happen when Boise State or BYU or any non-"power" conference
school is undefeated and ranked in the Top 4?I expect another round
of realignment in the next 2 - 3 years, and expect it to be towards 16 teams.
The Big12 will determine how the future looks for not only themselves, but also
for the PAC, the ACC and even SEC. Will four teams defect to the
PAC12, leaving the Big12 in chaos? Or could the PAC pick off six teams from the
BIG12 and leave Utah and Colorado on the outside? There are 6 teams that add
more value than Utah or Colorado.Or will the Big 12 try to pick off
six other teams? Either way creates chaos.
SoonerUte: I agree to some extent but as a PAC12 fan it kinda upsets me that our
guys have to have "an extra playoff game" as Jimbo put it, while the Big
12 doesn't. I just don't think the other P5 conferences will let the
Big 12 get away with being the odd man out for long. Things need to be fair and
consistent.Two For Flinching: good to know, thanks for the heads up.
2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0.Please get your facts straight as
your statement factually incorrect. "The Big 12 wants a title game,
they've made it clear. They even asked for an exception in having a title
game with only 12 teams." The Big 12 only has 10 teams and as it stands
does not qualify for a championship game. They have asked for an exception with
the NCAA to have a championship game with only 10 teams.This is not
Rocket Science folks! It is all about the money. The Big 12 does not want to
split up the pile of money 12 ways . It means less money per team. Once the
Power 5 get to govern themselves one of two things will happen: Have all
conferences move to 16 teams or have all conferences move to 12 and have a
conference championship. I am leaning toward the 16 teams in a conference which
will force everyone to play 8 conference games, 4 non conference games (non
power 5 conference teams) and every conference will have a conference
It's laughable how even Utah fans admit that BYU's religious culture
and no Sunday play are the primary reasons why BYU isn't already in a P5
conference, yet they continue to spew their BYU-hating narrative that BYU's
admission to a P5 conference is somehow a reflection of the quality of
BYU's athletic programs.Nothing could be further from the
@ DuckOuttaWaterTry not to pay attention to him. He's not a
Utah fan. Unfortunately, he's just a BYU hater.
Conferences not playing the same number of conference games is a much bigger
problem than the Big 12 not having a CCG.
2013 Ute Seniors:"They aren't going to add a nobody WAC mid major
just to get to 12, and I don't blame them"Many BYU fans
would say, "why not, the PAC12 did", and I "(wouldn't) blame
them". BYU is actually a bigger brand than Utah so I don't believe it
was anything mid major or WAC about them that kept them out and got Utah in. I
like having Utah in the PAC12 but don't wear out your welcome with
statements like this. Be humble and grateful you're in, and hope for the
rivalry sake that BYU eventually gets in.
VUThe Dnews has figured out how to get you all to read a story.
This story was listed as a BYU story to make sure more Utah fans would read it.
Funny how this is listed as a "byU" story. If anything, it is a Utah
story:“It’s the way your Louisville’s and
TCU’s and Utah’s and all those programs were able to get in those
kinds of games and evolve their programs into elite programs."
The Big 12 wants a title game, they've made it clear. They even asked for
an exception in having a title game with only 12 teams.They are just
unfortunate in that there isn't a single worthy team to add to get to 12 in
the entire country that isn't already in a power conference.They aren't going to add a nobody WAC mid major just to get to 12, and I
don't blame them
Big 12 is trying to eat its cake and have it, too. It's trying to convince
those who know better that since they have a round robin each season it's
the same as a conference championship. It's not the samething. It's
about the money. It want's to keep paying out as much money among its 10
member schools and are willing to take the chance of missing out on playing in
the new world order of college football in the hopes that the NCAA will
ultimately see things their way. The problem is that Jimbo Fisher isn't
the only coach who feels the way he does. I'm willing to bet that the
majority of P5 coaches in the other conferences feel the way Fisher does. If
that's the case, the Big 12 may have a rude awakening in the coming years.
That's fine, Big 12, you have the same chance of getting a team into the
four team playoff as all the other mid-major conferences. That is, your
"champion" only has to go undefeated and have a SOS comparable to the
other top teams under consideration. Lose a game, though, you're on the
outside looking in.
Finally a coach speaking out against this silly Power 5 deal. It will
ultimately hurt college football. What if basketball did the same thing? Think
of all the amazing games we would miss. Coach Fisher sees the same thing. It
will cause teams to not even try to break in going forward. The Power 5 is all
about keeping the money and power. It is not the spirit of amateur athletics.
Shameful that the NCAA is allowing this to happen.