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Published: Monday, July 21 2014 7:35 p.m. MDT

Updated: Monday, July 21 2014 7:46 p.m. MDT

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LifeLibertyHappiness
Draper, UT

Finally a coach speaking out against this silly Power 5 deal. It will ultimately hurt college football. What if basketball did the same thing? Think of all the amazing games we would miss. Coach Fisher sees the same thing. It will cause teams to not even try to break in going forward. The Power 5 is all about keeping the money and power. It is not the spirit of amateur athletics. Shameful that the NCAA is allowing this to happen.

32843
PROVO, UT

That's fine, Big 12, you have the same chance of getting a team into the four team playoff as all the other mid-major conferences. That is, your "champion" only has to go undefeated and have a SOS comparable to the other top teams under consideration. Lose a game, though, you're on the outside looking in.

32843
PROVO, UT

Big 12 is trying to eat its cake and have it, too. It's trying to convince those who know better that since they have a round robin each season it's the same as a conference championship. It's not the samething. It's about the money. It want's to keep paying out as much money among its 10 member schools and are willing to take the chance of missing out on playing in the new world order of college football in the hopes that the NCAA will ultimately see things their way. The problem is that Jimbo Fisher isn't the only coach who feels the way he does. I'm willing to bet that the majority of P5 coaches in the other conferences feel the way Fisher does. If that's the case, the Big 12 may have a rude awakening in the coming years.

2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0
Ogden, UT

The Big 12 wants a title game, they've made it clear. They even asked for an exception in having a title game with only 12 teams.

They are just unfortunate in that there isn't a single worthy team to add to get to 12 in the entire country that isn't already in a power conference.

They aren't going to add a nobody WAC mid major just to get to 12, and I don't blame them

VegasUte
Las Vegas, NV

Funny how this is listed as a "byU" story. If anything, it is a Utah story:

“It’s the way your Louisville’s and TCU’s and Utah’s and all those programs were able to get in those kinds of games and evolve their programs into elite programs."

Michael W
Everett, WA

This story was listed as a BYU story to make sure more Utah fans would read it.

Mikeylikesit
Davis, UT

VU
The Dnews has figured out how to get you all to read a story.

DuckOuttaWater
SLC , UT

2013 Ute Seniors:
"They aren't going to add a nobody WAC mid major just to get to 12, and I don't blame them"

Many BYU fans would say, "why not, the PAC12 did", and I "(wouldn't) blame them". BYU is actually a bigger brand than Utah so I don't believe it was anything mid major or WAC about them that kept them out and got Utah in. I like having Utah in the PAC12 but don't wear out your welcome with statements like this. Be humble and grateful you're in, and hope for the rivalry sake that BYU eventually gets in.

SoonerUte
Salt Lake City, UT

Conferences not playing the same number of conference games is a much bigger problem than the Big 12 not having a CCG.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ DuckOuttaWater

Try not to pay attention to him. He's not a Utah fan. Unfortunately, he's just a BYU hater.

CordonBleu
Park City, UT

It's laughable how even Utah fans admit that BYU's religious culture and no Sunday play are the primary reasons why BYU isn't already in a P5 conference, yet they continue to spew their BYU-hating narrative that BYU's admission to a P5 conference is somehow a reflection of the quality of BYU's athletic programs.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

docdages
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0.

Please get your facts straight as your statement factually incorrect. "The Big 12 wants a title game, they've made it clear. They even asked for an exception in having a title game with only 12 teams." The Big 12 only has 10 teams and as it stands does not qualify for a championship game. They have asked for an exception with the NCAA to have a championship game with only 10 teams.

This is not Rocket Science folks! It is all about the money. The Big 12 does not want to split up the pile of money 12 ways . It means less money per team. Once the Power 5 get to govern themselves one of two things will happen: Have all conferences move to 16 teams or have all conferences move to 12 and have a conference championship. I am leaning toward the 16 teams in a conference which will force everyone to play 8 conference games, 4 non conference games (non power 5 conference teams) and every conference will have a conference championship game.

DuckOuttaWater
SLC , UT

SoonerUte: I agree to some extent but as a PAC12 fan it kinda upsets me that our guys have to have "an extra playoff game" as Jimbo put it, while the Big 12 doesn't. I just don't think the other P5 conferences will let the Big 12 get away with being the odd man out for long. Things need to be fair and consistent.

Two For Flinching: good to know, thanks for the heads up.

CougFaninTX
Frisco, TX

@2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0 - "The Big 12 wants a title game, they've made it clear."

Really? Please show me where they've made it clear. This article is clear that the Big12 does not want a title game which mirrors everything I've read or heard.

The current system will not last long, with 5 conferences and 4 playoff spots. And what will happen when Boise State or BYU or any non-"power" conference school is undefeated and ranked in the Top 4?

I expect another round of realignment in the next 2 - 3 years, and expect it to be towards 16 teams. The Big12 will determine how the future looks for not only themselves, but also for the PAC, the ACC and even SEC.

Will four teams defect to the PAC12, leaving the Big12 in chaos? Or could the PAC pick off six teams from the BIG12 and leave Utah and Colorado on the outside? There are 6 teams that add more value than Utah or Colorado.

Or will the Big 12 try to pick off six other teams? Either way creates chaos.

SoonerUte
Salt Lake City, UT

DuckOutta Water "I agree to some extent but as a PAC12 fan it kinda upsets me that our guys have to have "an extra playoff game"
Agreed. The PAC12 and Big10? have the most on the line with an extra game.

The full Jimbo quote was about everyone needs to be the same (season and CCG). Only the CCG part made the headline since that appeals locally.

I'd like to see all conferences agree to play 10 P5-level regular season games and all have a CCG or none have a CCG. Requiring a non-conference P5 opponent (i.e. cross-conference matchups) makes football interesting.

They'll get there. The 65 are set. All the P5 conferences are stable and onboard with the playoffs. Details will shake out over the next couple of years.

Stringer Bell
Henderson, NV

Cordon Bleu "It's laughable how even Utah fans admit that BYU's religious culture and no Sunday play are the primary reasons why BYU isn't already in a P5 conference, yet they continue to spew their BYU-hating narrative that BYU's admission to a P5 conference is somehow a reflection of the quality of BYU's athletic programs.
Nothing could be further from the truth."

How many undefeated seasons has BYU had the past 10 years? 15 years? 20 years?
How many BCS Bowl invites?

SportsFan
Orem, UT

Stringer Bell

How many 11+ win, AP/Coaches Top 15 seasons has Utah had the past 10 years? 15 years? 20 years?, or EVER?

Since 2006
BYU - 3
Utah - 2

Lifetime
BYU - 11
Utah - 2

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How many AP Top 25 Finishes?

Since 2006
BYU - 4
Utah - 2

Lifetime
BYU - 17
Utah - 5

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The reason Utah fans obsess about the "bcs" isn't because it's more "relevant", it's because 2004 and 2008 are the only 11+ win, Top 25, conference championship seasons U have in your entire history.

The Utes didn't even crack the AP Top 25 until 1994, and even then, you weren't good enough to win a WAC championship.

Face it, the Utes weren't invited to the PAC because of a couple of flash-in-the-pan seasons. They were invited because they added a geographically contiguous, mid-sized television market to the PAC footprint, without the "discomfort" of having to associate with a religiously-based institution, regardless of the quality of their athletic program.

DuckOuttaWater
SLC , UT

Sooner Ute:
I agree with everything you said. It just needs to be consistent and fair between conferences. We play nine games while the SEC and ACC refuse to go to nine. Then the Big 12 plays nine by default because they only have ten teams. Make it even and make it fair. I know many others feel the same way Jimbo does, that's why the Big 12 will be essentially pressured into expansion at some point. Everything I've read though says they'll be looking east.

Tomahawk Red
San Francisco, CA

CougFaninTX
Frisco, TX

Will four teams defect to the PAC12, leaving the Big12 in chaos? Or could the PAC pick off six teams from the BIG12 and leave Utah and Colorado on the outside? There are 6 teams that add more value than Utah or Colorado.

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Sorry to dash your bloo-goggled fantasy, but... nope.

Realignment has never included, and never will include expulsion of any team from any conference.

I know your fantasy is for Utah to get kicked out and have BYU replace them in the Pac 12. But actually making that public and talking like that's a real possibility only shows your total lack of football acumen.

LOL

Whatsnu
Sandy, UT

Tomahawk Red

"Realignment has never included, and never will include expulsion of any team from any conference."

Sorry to burst your crimson-colored balloon, but the Temple football program was a member of the Big East Conference until its expulsion after the 2004 season due to a variety of program shortcomings.

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