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Published: Sunday, July 20 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT

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ThornBirds
St.George, UT

DN comment boards are full of extremely religious sounding Utahns(and others), who consistently share with us their upright values.
Values, they tell us, are not seen anyplace but Utah.
How could this have possibly happened here after all they have posted over and over for such a very long time?

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

The Shurtleff/Swallowgate has shown us 2 things:

1. The need for comprehensive campaign finance reform. The self-regulation of campaign donations has failed miserably.

2. The need for Utahns to become informed and to vote. These allegations against Shallow were around at the time of his election. In fact, he was known in many political circles to be a corrupt untrustworthy guy. Unfortunately, less than 10 percent of the population votes. The 10 percent that does vote is woefully ill-informed.

We brought Shurtleff-Swallowgate on ourselves. We need to police these donations and we need to actually care about who we vote into office.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Yes, it does.

Remember just a few years ago when the GOP in Utah did everything possible to prevent passage of an Ethics Law?

This time, even the party leaders found themselves in a position so messy that they were forced to take some action.

What will happen next time?

And there WILL be a next time . . . .

McMurphy
St George, Utah

The Shurtleff and Swallow scandal is at least in part due to context not unique to Utah. It is the almost inevitable result when one political party -- R or D -- is too powerful for too long. In Utah if you are Republican and LDS you are subject to less scrutiny when running for public office. In another state it might be if you are Democrat and Baptist.

george of the jungle
goshen, UT

It takes a life time to get a good reputation, only a fraction of a second to destroy it.

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

"With rare exceptions, Utah officials are honest and dedicated public servants who abide by a higher standard. Swallow and Shurtleff are such novelties that the Legislature had to scramble just to invent rules for a constitutional impeachment process never utilized before.

Readers should not worry about the ethics of their local council member or legislator. But about that neighbor promising to double your investment in six months …."

Well what constitutes honesty in a Utah public official? I have witnessed first hand the control developers have over local government. Yes the local officials go through the motions of being critical of developer proposals - but they aren't critical - they just rubber stamp them. In return the developers, pillars of the community, pronounce a seal of approval on the local officials who can take that to the electorate and be re-elected time after time (they are supported financially as well in countless ways).

I believe this is dishonesty. I don't know if we are worse than anywhere else however.

Landuser
Plain City, UT

None of the best lawyers will run for the office (except Reed Richards).

Sean Reyes seems to be doing well so far and should have been elected in 2012 as the only one with guts enough to try. It is worth noting that Reyes made it out of the convention in 2012. Less than sixty percent of the delegates Swallowed the pitch, so Reyes made it into the primary. 45.5 percent of the "right wing" delegates got it right. Only 32% of the primary election voters did.

The Governor should appoint the AG. I have lived in Utah under every Governor since J. Bracken Lee, and any of them would have appointed a better attorney general than the electorate did, Jan Graham and Vern Romney excepted. Somehow the Founding Fathers did not create an elected attorney general under the US Constitution, so perhaps the Utah alternative is open to some discussion.

ordinaryfolks
seattle, WA

If these two gentlemen were elected to office by the voting population, then the voting population obviously did a poor job of educating themselves.

Is this the inevitable result of one party rule? Probably. Will the voting populace look deeper into their prospective leaders? Probably not.

Sadly this will be repeated.

Jim Cobabe
Provo, UT

Although the accused appear to be already pronounced guilty in the news, I would be much more satisfied if the justice system actually gets a chance to adjudicate the case, based on actual evidence, before vigilante justice consigns these men to be lynched from the nearest tree. Unless I am mistaken, I don't believe the prosecuter has even had a chance to present evidence before the court yet. Nor have the accused had a chance to answer the charges. Isn't that supposed to happen BEFORE the guys are convicted?

Hamath
Omaha, NE

No...no... no... even asking the question right now is so blatantly wrong. The arrest of these men indicates nothing. It's the conviction. Arrest means nothing.
We should know better than to jump to conclusions and convict these men in the court of public opinion. Guilty until proven innocent seems to be the way we roll today and that is sad. Let them have their day in court, then judge them.

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

“With rare exceptions, Utah officials are honest and dedicated public servants who abide by a higher standard.”

Really? How do you know that Pignanelli? Maybe the outrages of some so-called public servants are kept on the down low by other so-called public servants? If no one had come forward, would we have known about Shurtleff? He would still be considered one of your assumed “honest and dedicated public servants.”

Who knows how many dirty dealings are unknown to the public? . . . Hidden away so that colluding "public servants" are never exposed?

Face it man, you can cut off the head of a snake, but the rest of the snake is STILL a snake.

The rest of the AG’s office should also be investigated. The Attorney General should actively seek out information pointing to the guilt of his subordinates in the Criminal so-called justice system

The Justice system is a strong bureaucracy like no other, with the POWER to protect itself and actively suppress others who would expose its dirty dealings.

The current AG should actively solicit and investigate claims of wrongdoing against DOJ members. And just air out the whole system.

Howard Beal
Provo, UT

I actually listened to the one hour audio tape of John Swallow meeting with Jeremy Johnson in a Krispy Kreme. Not only was I concerned that this type of conversation was taking place but also concerned with our former attorney general spending an hour talking about "payments", their "friend" in the pay-day loan business and on-line gambling. The fact that this conversation took place in a secretive way speaks volumes of the "ethical" collapse the authors of this column address...

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

@Hamath
Omaha, NE
No...no... no... even asking the question right now is so blatantly wrong. The arrest of these men indicates nothing. It's the conviction. Arrest means nothing.
We should know better than to jump to conclusions and convict these men in the court of public opinion. Guilty until proven innocent seems to be the way we roll today and that is sad. Let them have their day in court, then judge them.

4:36 a.m. July 21, 2014

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Funny,
I don't see you our there defending President Obama or Sergent Bowe Bergdahl...

And yet, there is not even have enough evidence to ask a court for an arrest warrant for them...

Esquire
Springville, UT

I am disgusted by this article. Both of these guys have a vested interest in the establishment, which feeds them (literally). Their views are hardly unbiased and credible.

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