I am disgusted by this article. Both of these guys have a vested interest in
the establishment, which feeds them (literally). Their views are hardly
unbiased and credible.
@HamathOmaha, NENo...no... no... even asking the question right now
is so blatantly wrong. The arrest of these men indicates nothing. It's the
conviction. Arrest means nothing. We should know better than to jump to
conclusions and convict these men in the court of public opinion. Guilty until
proven innocent seems to be the way we roll today and that is sad. Let them have
their day in court, then judge them.4:36 a.m. July 21, 2014======= Funny, I don't see you our there defending
President Obama or Sergent Bowe Bergdahl...And yet, there is not
even have enough evidence to ask a court for an arrest warrant for them...
I actually listened to the one hour audio tape of John Swallow meeting with
Jeremy Johnson in a Krispy Kreme. Not only was I concerned that this type of
conversation was taking place but also concerned with our former attorney
general spending an hour talking about "payments", their
"friend" in the pay-day loan business and on-line gambling. The fact
that this conversation took place in a secretive way speaks volumes of the
"ethical" collapse the authors of this column address...
“With rare exceptions, Utah officials are honest and dedicated public
servants who abide by a higher standard.”Really? How do you
know that Pignanelli? Maybe the outrages of some so-called public servants are
kept on the down low by other so-called public servants? If no one had come
forward, would we have known about Shurtleff? He would still be considered one
of your assumed “honest and dedicated public servants.”Who knows how many dirty dealings are unknown to the public? . . . Hidden away
so that colluding "public servants" are never exposed?Face
it man, you can cut off the head of a snake, but the rest of the snake is STILL
a snake.The rest of the AG’s office should also be
investigated. The Attorney General should actively seek out information
pointing to the guilt of his subordinates in the Criminal so-called justice
system The Justice system is a strong bureaucracy like no other,
with the POWER to protect itself and actively suppress others who would expose
its dirty dealings.The current AG should actively solicit and
investigate claims of wrongdoing against DOJ members. And just air out the whole
No...no... no... even asking the question right now is so blatantly wrong.
The arrest of these men indicates nothing. It's the conviction. Arrest
means nothing. We should know better than to jump to conclusions and
convict these men in the court of public opinion. Guilty until proven innocent
seems to be the way we roll today and that is sad. Let them have their day in
court, then judge them.
Although the accused appear to be already pronounced guilty in the news, I would
be much more satisfied if the justice system actually gets a chance to
adjudicate the case, based on actual evidence, before vigilante justice consigns
these men to be lynched from the nearest tree. Unless I am mistaken, I
don't believe the prosecuter has even had a chance to present evidence
before the court yet. Nor have the accused had a chance to answer the charges.
Isn't that supposed to happen BEFORE the guys are convicted?
If these two gentlemen were elected to office by the voting population, then the
voting population obviously did a poor job of educating themselves.Is this the inevitable result of one party rule? Probably. Will the voting
populace look deeper into their prospective leaders? Probably not.Sadly this will be repeated.
None of the best lawyers will run for the office (except Reed Richards). Sean Reyes seems to be doing well so far and should have been elected in
2012 as the only one with guts enough to try. It is worth noting that Reyes
made it out of the convention in 2012. Less than sixty percent of the delegates
Swallowed the pitch, so Reyes made it into the primary. 45.5 percent of the
"right wing" delegates got it right. Only 32% of the primary election
voters did. The Governor should appoint the AG. I have lived in
Utah under every Governor since J. Bracken Lee, and any of them would have
appointed a better attorney general than the electorate did, Jan Graham and Vern
Romney excepted. Somehow the Founding Fathers did not create an elected attorney
general under the US Constitution, so perhaps the Utah alternative is open to
"With rare exceptions, Utah officials are honest and dedicated public
servants who abide by a higher standard. Swallow and Shurtleff are such
novelties that the Legislature had to scramble just to invent rules for a
constitutional impeachment process never utilized before.Readers
should not worry about the ethics of their local council member or legislator.
But about that neighbor promising to double your investment in six months
…."Well what constitutes honesty in a Utah public
official? I have witnessed first hand the control developers have over local
government. Yes the local officials go through the motions of being critical of
developer proposals - but they aren't critical - they just rubber stamp
them. In return the developers, pillars of the community, pronounce a seal of
approval on the local officials who can take that to the electorate and be
re-elected time after time (they are supported financially as well in countless
ways).I believe this is dishonesty. I don't know if we are
worse than anywhere else however.
It takes a life time to get a good reputation, only a fraction of a second to
The Shurtleff and Swallow scandal is at least in part due to context not unique
to Utah. It is the almost inevitable result when one political party -- R or D
-- is too powerful for too long. In Utah if you are Republican and LDS you are
subject to less scrutiny when running for public office. In another state it
might be if you are Democrat and Baptist.
Yes, it does.Remember just a few years ago when the GOP in Utah did
everything possible to prevent passage of an Ethics Law?This time,
even the party leaders found themselves in a position so messy that they were
forced to take some action.What will happen next time?And there WILL be a next time . . . .
The Shurtleff/Swallowgate has shown us 2 things:1. The need for
comprehensive campaign finance reform. The self-regulation of campaign donations
has failed miserably.2. The need for Utahns to become informed and
to vote. These allegations against Shallow were around at the time of his
election. In fact, he was known in many political circles to be a corrupt
untrustworthy guy. Unfortunately, less than 10 percent of the population votes.
The 10 percent that does vote is woefully ill-informed.We brought
Shurtleff-Swallowgate on ourselves. We need to police these donations and we
need to actually care about who we vote into office.
DN comment boards are full of extremely religious sounding Utahns(and others),
who consistently share with us their upright values. Values, they tell us,
are not seen anyplace but Utah.How could this have possibly happened here
after all they have posted over and over for such a very long time?