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  • DuckOuttaWater SLC , UT
    July 23, 2014 10:11 a.m.

    Duckhunter: most fans don't live in reality whether they wear red, or blue, or green. Every accomplishment is magnified and maximized while every shortcoming is ignored or minimized. It's definitely entertaining though. Believe me Duck fans and Beaver fans are the same way. It's what makes rivalries great, and why this one needs to continue.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 22, 2014 11:30 a.m.

    @duckouttawater

    "As in life, in football things change"

    Truer words were never spoken but don't tell that to utah "fans" despite the evidence all around them. They seem to believe that BYU will never beat utah again for as long as college football exists and that somehow nothing will ever change. This despite the fact that the utah program was once abysmal, became ok, and is now decending into abysmal again. Reality is not a place they inhabit.

  • DuckOuttaWater SLC , UT
    July 21, 2014 4:40 p.m.

    65:
    Beat downs? I guess Bronco fans think 5 & 8 points are beat downs. Duck fans don't call it a beat down unless it's by 3 TDs or more. And I didn't say BSU wasn't any good, I said they played weak opponents most Saturdays, a fact that is indisputable.

    It would also be fun to have BSU back on the schedule and see if they could stay within 3 TDs of the ducks now. As in life, in football things change and 5 years makes a big difference (just ask Stanford, and now Washington being coached by your beloved CP). Broncos are in trouble, good luck.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    July 21, 2014 1:46 p.m.

    Navel Vet

    "the Y played 3 teams who finished the season ranked: #20 Notre Dame, #22 Wisconsin, and #25 Washington. The Y went 0-3, losing by an average of 12-pts/game. Utah played 5 teams who finished the season ranked: #21 Arizona St, #19 USC, #16 UCLA, #11 Stanford, and #9 Oregon. The U went 1-4, beating #11 Stanford, and losing to ASU, USC, UCLA, and Ore by an average of 11-pts/game.

    The average ranking of the cougars' ranked opponents was 22. The average of Utah's was 15. So the essentially, the bottom line here is that Utah (1) fared better vs. (2) better teams."

    Translation - Utah was slightly less terrible than BYU against ranked teams.

    Utah fans brag about that? Utah's one victory against ranked opponents was against Stanford, the PAC-12 champion. Utah bragging about that is like a 5-12 NFL team bragging that they beat the eventual Super Bowl Champions during regular season play.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    July 21, 2014 12:38 p.m.

    "65TossPowerTrap
    Salmon, ID

    Cool. But seriously, the semi-daily updates of BYU's P-5 worthiness [sic] are almost as annoying as the semi-daily Mitt Romney updates."

    Dang I'm glad I don't live in Idaho, I'd hate to have someone forcing me to read articles I didn't want to read. Good luck up there 65. Hopefully you'll get liberated soon.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    July 21, 2014 12:29 p.m.

    navelvet

    bowl game > SOS trophy

    Advantage: BYU

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    July 21, 2014 8:31 a.m.

    Re: DuckOuttaWater

    If I were a Duck fan I wouldn't want to hear BSU fans yap about the two beat downs they laid on the Ducks either.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    July 21, 2014 8:17 a.m.

    Cool. But seriously, the semi-daily updates of BYU's P-5 wothiness are almost as annoying as the semi-daily Mitt Romney updates.

  • Scores Idaho Falls, ID
    July 20, 2014 11:29 p.m.

    I'll bet BYU gets ranked this season before Utah does.

  • DuckOuttaWater SLC , UT
    July 20, 2014 9:31 p.m.

    BYU fans need to understand that playing tough competition every week is different than playing a good team once in awhile. As a duck fan I got sick of listening to Boise St fans yap about their big victories. Try playing Stanford, USC, UCLA, ASU, and Washington on consecutive weekends with no byes...not the same as playing them every couple of years with Idaho state and Middle Tenn thrown in between.

    I realize that's not BYUs fault, or Boise's for that matter, but don't pretend it's the same. I talk to some BYU and BSU fans that recognize this and acknowledge it but far too many don't want to hear it.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    July 20, 2014 7:11 p.m.

    Peaver thinks BYU is a p5 opponent?

    Some people will believe anything...

    Polling shows that 8% of people think Elvis may still be alive... so there's that.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 20, 2014 10:18 a.m.

    Scores:

    "BYU played two ranked teams last year. Texas and Wisconsin. They went 1-1.
    How many ranked teams did Utah play last year?"

    Texas was a PREseason overrated team. They finished 2013 8-5 and unranked. So you don't get credit for beating a "ranked team" with Texas.

    To answer your question, the Y played 3 teams who finished the season ranked: #20 Notre Dame, #22 Wisconsin, and #25 Washington. The Y went 0-3, losing by an average of 12-pts/game. Utah played 5 teams who finished the season ranked: #21 Arizona St, #19 USC, #16 UCLA, #11 Stanford, and #9 Oregon. The U went 1-4, beating #11 Stanford, and losing to ASU, USC, UCLA, and Ore by an average of 11-pts/game.

    The average ranking of the cougars' ranked opponents was 22. The average of Utah's was 15. So the essentially, the bottom line here is that Utah (1) fared better vs. (2) better teams.

    Edge: Utah.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 20, 2014 7:41 a.m.

    @ekute

    What a "frantic and emotional" reply by you. Of course that wouldn't happen, in fact those are all schools BYU has beaten, some quite soundly, over the last few years. lol

  • Taysom4Heisman Heber City, UT
    July 20, 2014 7:31 a.m.

    @Who am I sir?

    "In 2013 BYU did play 7 teams (including the bowl game) against P5 schools. The results 2 wins and 5 losses."

    Do you want to remind me of utah's record against P5 schools last season? Hint: It's worse than BYU's.

    If BYU's record vs. P5 schools is your reason for us not being P5 worthy, then utah better be kicked out of the Pac-12 ASAP. utah fans really aren't the ones who should be talking about winning games against the big boys.

    "Compare that with P5 schools who must play 8 games or more against top schools."

    Um. No they don't.

    Colorado is not a top school.
    Washington State is not a top school.
    Arizona is not a top school.
    Oregon State is not a top school.
    USC and Arizona State are debatable.

    The only "top schools" that utah plays this year are Oregon, Stanford, UCLA, and Michigan. And I'm being generous there with Michigan. They are certainly good, but they are not elite.

  • UteinIdaho Sandpoint, ID
    July 20, 2014 1:18 a.m.

    @Ironhide

    First of all, your right that Utah has had the ability to really get up for certain games like they did against Stanford and Alabama, where they study film and come up with a perfect, completely different game plan. I grow so tired though of hearing byu fans say that Utah ONLY gets up for holy war, then fall apart the rest of the season. What has Utah done differently against BYU the last 4 seasons than they have against any other opponent?? They lined up and ran the same offense that they ran against anybody else. Last year they changed their defensive game plan against BYU, just like any D coordinator worth a $10,000 salary should have, and made taysom pass the ball. Other than that? Was BYU surprised by anything Utah did??

    Do you think that perhaps the reason Utah has continued to handle BYU the last 4 years, then "fall apart" after that game is because of the fact that the schedule has gotten significantly more difficult after the BYU game?? Didn't think so.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    July 19, 2014 8:51 p.m.

    "colorado is not a "top school", neither is utah, nor arizona, nor cal, nor wsu, nor osu."

    You can include byu on the list and it would get trashed if it played those 6 schools all in a row.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    July 19, 2014 8:27 p.m.

    "Arizona vice president of athletics Greg Byrne considers BYU a Power 5 opponent"

    Arizona? I thought Bronco was begging to get into the Big 12?

    How about Deseret News gets with the program and interview the Texas VP. After-all they hold your key into the Big 12. Now that would be an interesting article.

    Oh this doesn't bode well for Utah fans who want to pretend BYU doesn't belong when Utah's bigger brothers look at BYU more favorably then Utah fans do.

    I look at it this way. Utah is like the girl that broke up with her boyfriend (BYU/MWC) and then joined her new boyfriend (Colorado...lol/PAC-12). Now that Utah's friends (other members of the PAC-12) are saying they think Utah's old boyfriend (BYU) is pretty cool, Utah can't take it.

    So, now the old girlfriend (Utah) starts telling others, "Hey, didn't he (BYU) say he wanted to date them (Big-12)? We (PAC-12) shouldn't be friends with him (BYU).

  • Scores Idaho Falls, ID
    July 19, 2014 7:37 p.m.

    BYU played two ranked teams last year. Texas and Wisconsin. They went 1-1.
    How many ranked teams did Utah play last year? Did they win more than one?
    After reading these posts, I would say that everyone agrees on one thing...winning means everything. Can't say at this point that Utah wins more than one conference game this year. At least that's the trend for the past three years. 4-5, 3-6, 2-7 in conference the past three years.

  • truthsandwich The Bubble, UT
    July 19, 2014 6:38 p.m.

    "Oh man. I love me some utes who are so full of themselves since getting the pac12 nod as a sixth choice.."

    And I enjoy the exposed jealousy from the crowd that was originally trying to tout independence as superior to P5 membership. Reality is settling in, be it ever so slowly.

    lol

  • WestGranger West Valley City, Utah
    July 19, 2014 2:42 p.m.

    Politics and regional bias is the only reason some don't consider BYU a Power 5 quality opponent. Their excellent strength of schedule and ability to play with, and beat big boys like Texas says different. BYU has a well-established winning tradition.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    July 19, 2014 2:26 p.m.

    whoami

    "In 2013 BYU did play 7 teams (including the bowl game) against P5 schools. The results 2 wins and 5 losses..." (29%)

    In 2013, Utah played 9 games against P5 schools. The results, 2 wins and SEVEN losses (22%).

    If BYU doesn't belong in a P5 conference, Utah really doesn't belong.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 19, 2014 2:06 p.m.

    @whoamisir

    Uh....this statement you made is false.

    "Compare that with P5 schools who must play 8 games or more against top schools"

    No they don't. colorado is not a "top school", neither is utah, nor arizona, nor cal, nor wsu, nor osu. franly none of those schools is anywhere near "top". Most are worse than schools like Boise, BYU, Fresno, CFU, and a few others.

    Just because they have "pac12" or "big10" next to their name it certainly doesn't make them a "top school". lol

  • Common-Tator Saint Paul, MN
    July 19, 2014 12:21 p.m.

    "Of course, much of this "Power 5" vs. "non-Power 5" scheduling is absolutely absurd. Does anyone really want to argue that a game against Central Florida last season — a team that finished 12-1, defeated Baylor in the Fiesta Bowl and finished No. 10 in the final AP poll — carried less weight than playing Purdue — a team that had just one victory and zero wins over FBS opponents last season — just because UCF is in the American while Purdue is in the Big Ten?

    "It makes no sense. It's truly sad that conference politics negates what should matter most in college football, and that's what happens on game day on the gridiron."

    Precisely the point I made several days ago concerning a goodly number of lower tier, "P5" teams, and those who do not necessarily enjoy the financial benefits of such association.

    Play the games on the field and quite trying to posture for them off of it.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    July 19, 2014 11:41 a.m.

    RE: SoonerUte

    So you're saying that a P5 schedule doesn't need to be strong, it simply needs to include 9 other P5 teams? That explains a lot about why so many Utah "fans" have taken such an interest in BYU's schedule. Thank you for clearing that up.

  • UteinIdaho Sandpoint, ID
    July 19, 2014 10:29 a.m.

    SoonerUte has done a pretty good job of summing it up. Well stated.

  • Ironhide Salt Lake City, UT
    July 19, 2014 10:23 a.m.

    Oh man. I love me some utes who are so full of themselves since getting the pac12 nod as a sixth choice, and just ahead of the only other two medical schools in the western united states not in the pac12 that didn't accept or receive the invite, UNLV and Nevada. Those utes, so undeniable, so full of tradition, such a power school having done so well in their new conference.

    BYU needs to win big games. They need to win lots of them. Utah owns BYU head to head. utah gets up for the BYU game and another ranked opponent at home every year like nobody I have ever seen. The rest of the season they fall apart.

    I have some friends that are much more reasonable ute fans and know that BYU deserves to be in the P5. I know they are the minority but they are also much more real and can at least respect what BYU has done over 45 years compared to utah's 10 years. The hate is blinding.

  • DuckOuttaWater SLC , UT
    July 19, 2014 10:21 a.m.

    Uteology:
    I like your idea. Where's the article about a Big 12 school proclaiming BYU as a P5? That would definitely be more interesting reading.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    July 19, 2014 10:03 a.m.

    I think a lot more AD's feel the same way Byrne does. So the SEC and the ACC have an attitude about BYU....who cares. They've always been a bit aloof even when it comes to other Power 5 conferences. The Big 10 and the Pac 12 wanted a conference champion requirement for the playoff, but the SEC and ACC resisted claiming they believe they should have the opportunity for two or more of their teams to get in. They're snobs, but obviously the other 3 conferences aren't.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 19, 2014 8:39 a.m.

    @JDL

    "This year BYU has a weaker schedule for sure, but 2013, 2015, 2016?"

    The first part is obviously true. Now to look at the last part. In 2013 BYU did play 7 teams (including the bowl game) against P5 schools. The results 2 wins and 5 losses (Virginia?!) 2015 BYU's schedule has 4 good games three against solid P5 schools. That 4 of 12 games. And we'll see how they do against those 4 schools. 2016 has 5 good teams scheduled (4 against P5 schools) out of only 8 games yet scheduled so who knows who the other 4 will be? Or how the Y will do against those schools.

    Compare that with P5 schools who must play 8 games or more against top schools. (Note: the PAC-12 plays 9 conference games and Utah is playing Michigan as one of its 3 non conference games)
    What BYU needs to do is 1)schedule top teams and 2) win some of those games. (One of the reasons Utah was invited to the PAC-12 was at the time Utah had more victories against BCS teams than any other non-BCS team. That is what BYU needs to do also.

  • GD Syracuse, UT
    July 19, 2014 8:30 a.m.

    BYU isn't a research school as defined by research schools, but to say they do no research is completely false. They have done much in the area of research that has received national recognition. BYU is doing all they can to upgrade their schedule but many schools apparently won't schedule them. I disagree with those who say BYU fans feel we are entitled to be in the P5. I for one think we are good enough to be included. If we were I'm sure we would struggle just as Utah has struggled but over time recruiting would become better. Eventually we would be more competitive. I think Utah will be more competitive as well as they start to get the better athletes. When it is all said and done it is just a game that is blown out of proportion because of the insane amount of money that is involved.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    July 19, 2014 8:08 a.m.

    What hasn't changed: just win baby. Respect is earned, and if we are happy with what we've got, we just need to keep doing what we've been doing. If we want something more, then we have to do something more, and that begins with just winning.

    What has changed: I think it is time to court inclusion in a P-5. It always has been. Independence is great, much better than membership in the MWC. Not better than membership in a P-5. That wasn't an option then, obviously it isn't an option right now, doesn't mean it can't be an option later. But again, if we want something more, we're going to have to do something more.

    Utah State was a tremendous friend to us when we went independent. I hope some day BYU can and will use it's influence, if we ever get the chance, to help Utah State. We owe them.

    Looks like we also a little more than half of the PAC 12 teams. Hope we remember who are friends are... except on the field. There, rule #1 applies.

  • CougarColby Fort Benning, GA
    July 19, 2014 7:59 a.m.

    BYU has the makings of a P5 school. P5 schools generally have more to offer than just football. BYU sports are competitive and make a good run at a couple NC each year. Rugby (although different structure), Mens' Volleyball, and the women's soccer team have been very good as of late.

    Academically, BYU could probably improve a little bit in certain areas. Having a Law School and one of the top Business and especially Accounting programs in the country is noteworthy.

    BYU has become a productive money maker, which comes more because of sports than tuitions. There is absolutely a national fan base and a strong international one (many service members living abroad like myself, or ex-pats). Traveling to athletic games brings up the bottom line and can help some of the lower earning sports teams make up a bit of a difference.

    All in all, I think BYU is absolutely a credible P5 school. The problem is they have to earn in, and that means on the football field in this example. There is no substitute for winning. I would much rather have BYU play with a chip on their shoulder, than feel entitled. Go Cougs!

  • IndeMak South Jordan, UT
    July 19, 2014 7:30 a.m.

    We'll that is good enough for me..

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 19, 2014 1:26 a.m.

    "Arizona vice president of athletics Greg Byrne considers BYU a Power 5 opponent"

    Arizona? I thought Bronco was begging to get into the Big 12?

    How about Deseret News gets with the program and interview the Texas VP. After-all they hold your key into the Big 12. Now that would be an interesting article.

  • Elk Hair Caddis Sandy, UT
    July 19, 2014 1:02 a.m.

    @Sooner UTE

    Man up and play us.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    July 19, 2014 12:29 a.m.

    Wiscougarfan "SoonerUte claimed BYU doesn't belong because of their weak schedule".
    I never mentioned Strength of Schedule. I said they do not play a P5 schedule.

    The major conferences expect their members to play at least 9 other P5 member schools. Its a pretty simple rule. Just do that, since they aren't swayed by your SOS argument.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    July 19, 2014 12:28 a.m.

    Now there's a ringing endorsements for byu's coveted Power 5 label...an Athletics VP who doesn't want to lose his job for scheduling byu at a time when SOS means everything. All he has to do now is sell the SEC and ACC on the idea so he doesn't get accused of jeopardizing Arizona in the national picture.

    Eddie
    Syracuse, UT

    "If the PAC12 cannot/will not endorse BYU as a P5 team then they should cease and desist from calling themselves the "Conference of Champions". With the number of games they have scheduled with BYU, you would think they would consider them a top team."

    Hey, whatever you want, Ed...the Pac-12 will do it. I hope you are not suggesting the byu should be included in the Pac-12 just because there are a few games scheduled over the next 10 years.

  • Taysom4Heisman Heber City, UT
    July 19, 2014 12:19 a.m.

    "Of course, much of this "Power 5" vs. "non-Power 5" scheduling is absolutely absurd. Does anyone really want to argue that a game against Central Florida... carried less weight than playing Purdue?"

    Amen to that. This P5 vs. non-P5 stuff is simply politicking to try to separate themselves from the smaller conferences.

    BYU is easily worthy of being considered a P5 level team.

    The problem is... they aren't in a P5 conference, and this rule is specifically designed to split from them.

    And if you include a non-P5 team in your P5 rule, you might also need to make an exception for Boise State. And UCF. And Houston. And Cincinnati. And Fresno State.

    Guess what? All of a sudden your P5 scheduling rule has lost the power of doing exactly what it was made to do... Separate the P5 from the non-P5.

    And it could all start by including BYU.

    That's why they don't include us. It's political.

    P.S. I know Notre Dame is a non-P5 team who is included, but they are basically an ACC member. Plus they are Notre Dame.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    July 19, 2014 12:00 a.m.

    @ JDL

    In 2008 Utah beat Oregon St. and Bama. BYU was pretty good that year as well, and TCU was a top 10 team. Also, FWIW Utah beat Texas A&M in the opener in 2004. The Aggies weren't a dominant team, but they were decent.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    July 18, 2014 11:49 p.m.

    So using the same logic, when Utah plays Idaho State this fall, "We count that as the equivalent of playing one of those".

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    July 18, 2014 10:44 p.m.

    RE: NightOwlAmerica

    I agree with you. My post was simply in response to SoonerUte who claimed BYU doesn't belong because of their weak schedule, which wasn't true. Saying they don't belong in P5 because of their recent inability to win great teams is much more debatable. Hopefully they can step it up this season. Go Cougs!

  • Crow Sandy , UT
    July 18, 2014 10:18 p.m.

    The vp at Arizona must be a byu alum

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 18, 2014 9:51 p.m.

    Wiscougarfan
    River Falls, WI said:

    "RE: SoonerUte

    "It is simple. They are branded that way because they play a P5 schedule. BYU does not. They never have. This year's schedule has different faces, but it is clearly a MWC-level schedule."

    As to your assertion that BYU "never has" P5-type schedule. Last season the number 1 team in the country (Florida State) had a SOS ranked 62nd. Other schools with SOS ranked lower than BYU included #3 Alabama (39th), #6 Michigan State (51st), #9 Baylor (48th), #14 Clemson (54th), #16 Ohio State (58th), #18 Wisconsin (49th), #20 Louisville (103rd)... you get the picture (or maybe you don't which is why you posted such nonsense in the first place?)."

    What's the difference between those teams and BYU? Those teams beat ranked teams on their schedule. Something BYU has a difficult time doing. Had they beat more ranked teams last year. BYU could very well have been ranked ahead of Wisconsin, Louisville....etc.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    July 18, 2014 9:22 p.m.

    RE: SoonerUte

    "It is simple. They are branded that way because they play a P5 schedule. BYU does not. They never have. This year's schedule has different faces, but it is clearly a MWC-level schedule."

    Never have? That is absolutely false. Just last year BYU's schedule was ranked (according to sports-reference) #33 (Sagarin had them at #38), which is clearly P5 caliber. Actually, that schedule alone would rank #2 all-time at Utah, a school some consider to be P5. And BYU has 3 other top 35 ranked SOS in the last 15 years.

    Now, it is true that BYU typically has a SOS ranked in the 60-80 range, but even at that level their SOS always ranks higher than several P5 teams.

    As to your assertion that BYU "never has" P5-type schedule. Last season the number 1 team in the country (Florida State) had a SOS ranked 62nd. Other schools with SOS ranked lower than BYU included #3 Alabama (39th), #6 Michigan State (51st), #9 Baylor (48th), #14 Clemson (54th), #16 Ohio State (58th), #18 Wisconsin (49th), #20 Louisville (103rd)... you get the picture (or maybe you don't which is why you posted such nonsense in the first place?).

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    July 18, 2014 9:16 p.m.

    Some BYU fans need to stop. More than once I have read posts on many threads where they feel "entitled" to join a P5 conference.

    Kansas, Vandy, Utah and the rest have either been founding members, bring something, and fit the structure of a P5 conference both in and out of sports.

    Get over it and move along. Stop complaining why one school is in and you are not. It's even worse when you don't even do research before making outlandish posts.

  • DuckOuttaWater SLC , UT
    July 18, 2014 9:01 p.m.

    Steven:
    Define a "few years ago". As a Duck fan I'm interested in your answer. Pretty sure Oregon has been pretty good for 6-7 years now. You honestly believe the MWC was ever better than the PAC 10? That is laughable. Not long ago Cal was a top 25 team with marshawn lynch. UCLA was one slim loss to making the NC game in the late 90s. Washington was very good before Neuheisal ran it into the ground. I think you're underestimating the strength of the league in the past.

  • JDL Magna, UT
    July 18, 2014 8:58 p.m.

    Sooner ute

    Tell me what acceptance worthy power-5 schedule did utah play before she was invited to the PAC? Yup, BYU and TCU, that's who. utah had two seasons, 04 and 09 out of 50 previous seasons in major bowls and in 04 they got the consolation prize of playing PITT. Who else did utah play in either of those years that amounted to the tougher side of power-5?

    BYU beat, who else? yup the mighty sooners in 09. Oh, and Kansas State in 1996. BYU beat Oregon, UCLA, Texas, Arizona, Oregon State, Washington, Cal, Washington state and utah in the last 8 years.

    Entitled is an elitists catch word.

    Please, Vanderbuilt, Kansas, Colorado, Northwestern, Duke, utah are entitled?

    This year BYU has a weaker schedule for sure, but 2013, 2015, 2016?

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    July 18, 2014 8:30 p.m.

    @Soonerute

    Just a few years ago the PAC10 was USC and nine other non-starters. It wasn't a power league. The MWC and Boise State could regularly get wins off of it and other than a vacated title, they won no BCS titles.

    USC got hit hard by sanctions and BECAUSE of it the rest of the league was finally able to get out of USC's shadow. Sure there still are some teams in the league that just aren't any good, namely California and Colorado. Overall the league stands as much improved. Last year they were probably the best league for competition considering all members. Most years they were anywhere from the fourth best to the sixth best league. I honestly believe that had USC not had those sanctions Utah would be a middle of the pack team instead of where they are.

    BYU plays a much more difficult schedule than many of the power teams. SEC teams usually schedule three or four home game patsies.

  • DuckOuttaWater SLC , UT
    July 18, 2014 8:24 p.m.

    Just moved here to Salt Lake from Eugene OR so I'm a Duck fan but find this rivalry fascinating because I lived in Utah til I was 8 yrs old. Personally I think BYU has the tradition and history of success to be considered a P5 team, but as SoonerUte said it's hard to consider them at that status unless they play a SOS typical of a P5 team.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2014 7:48 p.m.

    Riverton Cougar "Schools like Kansas, Vanderbilt, Colorado, etc. are entitled to P5 status. Is BYU better than they are? If so, why should they be branded P5 status and not BYU?"

    It is simple. They are branded that way because they play a P5 schedule. BYU does not. They never have. This year's schedule has different faces, but it is clearly a MWC-level schedule.

    Kansas earned a BCS Orange Bowl Bid (and won) by playing a P5 schedule. You think BYU is better than Kansas, because your simple comparison is "win-loss" record. You discount who the opponents are. Play Vanderbilt's schedule. See if you're really better.

    BYU shouldn't get something for nothing. They should earn it. Man up. Play a real schedule. Why would you want it any other way?

  • Eddie Syracuse, UT
    July 18, 2014 7:24 p.m.

    If the PAC12 cannot/will not endorse BYU as a P5 team then they should cease and desist from calling themselves the "Conference of Champions". With the number of games they have scheduled with BYU, you would think they would consider them a top team .

  • David Centerville, UT
    July 18, 2014 7:22 p.m.

    The 3/5 compromise was established by congress to try and keep the Union together. It stipulated that blacks would count as 3/5 of a person, though they were not allowed to vote and essentially/literally had no constitutional protections that were afforded whites. Through the 3/5 compromise Southern states would count blacks to achieve more representatives in Congress.

    In some ways the NCAA and college football is like the 3/5 compromise. Some teams and schools are awarded tremendous benefits, while other programs and schools are discriminated against.

    It would be refreshing if the NCAA would get rid of the "Power 5". Keep conferences, do a playoff, structure a way for independent teams like Notre Dame, Navy, and BYU to participate or join a conference. The NCAA should take control of college football, rather than letting conference directors, bowls, and college presidents to dictate the game.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    July 18, 2014 7:10 p.m.

    @Uteology,

    Schools like Kansas, Vanderbilt, Colorado, etc. are entitled to P5 status. Is BYU better than they are? If so, why should they be branded P5 status and not BYU?