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Published: Friday, July 18 2014 5:39 p.m. MDT

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Riverton Cougar
Riverton, UT

@Uteology,

Schools like Kansas, Vanderbilt, Colorado, etc. are entitled to P5 status. Is BYU better than they are? If so, why should they be branded P5 status and not BYU?

David
Centerville, UT

The 3/5 compromise was established by congress to try and keep the Union together. It stipulated that blacks would count as 3/5 of a person, though they were not allowed to vote and essentially/literally had no constitutional protections that were afforded whites. Through the 3/5 compromise Southern states would count blacks to achieve more representatives in Congress.

In some ways the NCAA and college football is like the 3/5 compromise. Some teams and schools are awarded tremendous benefits, while other programs and schools are discriminated against.

It would be refreshing if the NCAA would get rid of the "Power 5". Keep conferences, do a playoff, structure a way for independent teams like Notre Dame, Navy, and BYU to participate or join a conference. The NCAA should take control of college football, rather than letting conference directors, bowls, and college presidents to dictate the game.

Eddie
Syracuse, UT

If the PAC12 cannot/will not endorse BYU as a P5 team then they should cease and desist from calling themselves the "Conference of Champions". With the number of games they have scheduled with BYU, you would think they would consider them a top team .

SoonerUte
Salt Lake City, UT

Riverton Cougar "Schools like Kansas, Vanderbilt, Colorado, etc. are entitled to P5 status. Is BYU better than they are? If so, why should they be branded P5 status and not BYU?"

It is simple. They are branded that way because they play a P5 schedule. BYU does not. They never have. This year's schedule has different faces, but it is clearly a MWC-level schedule.

Kansas earned a BCS Orange Bowl Bid (and won) by playing a P5 schedule. You think BYU is better than Kansas, because your simple comparison is "win-loss" record. You discount who the opponents are. Play Vanderbilt's schedule. See if you're really better.

BYU shouldn't get something for nothing. They should earn it. Man up. Play a real schedule. Why would you want it any other way?

DuckOuttaWater
SLC , UT

Just moved here to Salt Lake from Eugene OR so I'm a Duck fan but find this rivalry fascinating because I lived in Utah til I was 8 yrs old. Personally I think BYU has the tradition and history of success to be considered a P5 team, but as SoonerUte said it's hard to consider them at that status unless they play a SOS typical of a P5 team.

Steven S Jarvis
Orem, UT

@Soonerute

Just a few years ago the PAC10 was USC and nine other non-starters. It wasn't a power league. The MWC and Boise State could regularly get wins off of it and other than a vacated title, they won no BCS titles.

USC got hit hard by sanctions and BECAUSE of it the rest of the league was finally able to get out of USC's shadow. Sure there still are some teams in the league that just aren't any good, namely California and Colorado. Overall the league stands as much improved. Last year they were probably the best league for competition considering all members. Most years they were anywhere from the fourth best to the sixth best league. I honestly believe that had USC not had those sanctions Utah would be a middle of the pack team instead of where they are.

BYU plays a much more difficult schedule than many of the power teams. SEC teams usually schedule three or four home game patsies.

JDL
Magna, UT

Sooner ute

Tell me what acceptance worthy power-5 schedule did utah play before she was invited to the PAC? Yup, BYU and TCU, that's who. utah had two seasons, 04 and 09 out of 50 previous seasons in major bowls and in 04 they got the consolation prize of playing PITT. Who else did utah play in either of those years that amounted to the tougher side of power-5?

BYU beat, who else? yup the mighty sooners in 09. Oh, and Kansas State in 1996. BYU beat Oregon, UCLA, Texas, Arizona, Oregon State, Washington, Cal, Washington state and utah in the last 8 years.

Entitled is an elitists catch word.

Please, Vanderbuilt, Kansas, Colorado, Northwestern, Duke, utah are entitled?

This year BYU has a weaker schedule for sure, but 2013, 2015, 2016?

DuckOuttaWater
SLC , UT

Steven:
Define a "few years ago". As a Duck fan I'm interested in your answer. Pretty sure Oregon has been pretty good for 6-7 years now. You honestly believe the MWC was ever better than the PAC 10? That is laughable. Not long ago Cal was a top 25 team with marshawn lynch. UCLA was one slim loss to making the NC game in the late 90s. Washington was very good before Neuheisal ran it into the ground. I think you're underestimating the strength of the league in the past.

WACPaddingOurSchedule
pocatello, ID

Some BYU fans need to stop. More than once I have read posts on many threads where they feel "entitled" to join a P5 conference.

Kansas, Vandy, Utah and the rest have either been founding members, bring something, and fit the structure of a P5 conference both in and out of sports.

Get over it and move along. Stop complaining why one school is in and you are not. It's even worse when you don't even do research before making outlandish posts.

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

RE: SoonerUte

"It is simple. They are branded that way because they play a P5 schedule. BYU does not. They never have. This year's schedule has different faces, but it is clearly a MWC-level schedule."

Never have? That is absolutely false. Just last year BYU's schedule was ranked (according to sports-reference) #33 (Sagarin had them at #38), which is clearly P5 caliber. Actually, that schedule alone would rank #2 all-time at Utah, a school some consider to be P5. And BYU has 3 other top 35 ranked SOS in the last 15 years.

Now, it is true that BYU typically has a SOS ranked in the 60-80 range, but even at that level their SOS always ranks higher than several P5 teams.

As to your assertion that BYU "never has" P5-type schedule. Last season the number 1 team in the country (Florida State) had a SOS ranked 62nd. Other schools with SOS ranked lower than BYU included #3 Alabama (39th), #6 Michigan State (51st), #9 Baylor (48th), #14 Clemson (54th), #16 Ohio State (58th), #18 Wisconsin (49th), #20 Louisville (103rd)... you get the picture (or maybe you don't which is why you posted such nonsense in the first place?).

NightOwlAmerica
SALEM, OR

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI said:

"RE: SoonerUte

"It is simple. They are branded that way because they play a P5 schedule. BYU does not. They never have. This year's schedule has different faces, but it is clearly a MWC-level schedule."

As to your assertion that BYU "never has" P5-type schedule. Last season the number 1 team in the country (Florida State) had a SOS ranked 62nd. Other schools with SOS ranked lower than BYU included #3 Alabama (39th), #6 Michigan State (51st), #9 Baylor (48th), #14 Clemson (54th), #16 Ohio State (58th), #18 Wisconsin (49th), #20 Louisville (103rd)... you get the picture (or maybe you don't which is why you posted such nonsense in the first place?)."

What's the difference between those teams and BYU? Those teams beat ranked teams on their schedule. Something BYU has a difficult time doing. Had they beat more ranked teams last year. BYU could very well have been ranked ahead of Wisconsin, Louisville....etc.

Crow
Sandy , UT

The vp at Arizona must be a byu alum

Wiscougarfan
River Falls, WI

RE: NightOwlAmerica

I agree with you. My post was simply in response to SoonerUte who claimed BYU doesn't belong because of their weak schedule, which wasn't true. Saying they don't belong in P5 because of their recent inability to win great teams is much more debatable. Hopefully they can step it up this season. Go Cougs!

ekute
Layton, UT

So using the same logic, when Utah plays Idaho State this fall, "We count that as the equivalent of playing one of those".

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ JDL

In 2008 Utah beat Oregon St. and Bama. BYU was pretty good that year as well, and TCU was a top 10 team. Also, FWIW Utah beat Texas A&M in the opener in 2004. The Aggies weren't a dominant team, but they were decent.

Taysom4Heisman
Heber City, UT

"Of course, much of this "Power 5" vs. "non-Power 5" scheduling is absolutely absurd. Does anyone really want to argue that a game against Central Florida... carried less weight than playing Purdue?"

Amen to that. This P5 vs. non-P5 stuff is simply politicking to try to separate themselves from the smaller conferences.

BYU is easily worthy of being considered a P5 level team.

The problem is... they aren't in a P5 conference, and this rule is specifically designed to split from them.

And if you include a non-P5 team in your P5 rule, you might also need to make an exception for Boise State. And UCF. And Houston. And Cincinnati. And Fresno State.

Guess what? All of a sudden your P5 scheduling rule has lost the power of doing exactly what it was made to do... Separate the P5 from the non-P5.

And it could all start by including BYU.

That's why they don't include us. It's political.

P.S. I know Notre Dame is a non-P5 team who is included, but they are basically an ACC member. Plus they are Notre Dame.

MyPerspective
Salt Lake City, UT

Now there's a ringing endorsements for byu's coveted Power 5 label...an Athletics VP who doesn't want to lose his job for scheduling byu at a time when SOS means everything. All he has to do now is sell the SEC and ACC on the idea so he doesn't get accused of jeopardizing Arizona in the national picture.

Eddie
Syracuse, UT

"If the PAC12 cannot/will not endorse BYU as a P5 team then they should cease and desist from calling themselves the "Conference of Champions". With the number of games they have scheduled with BYU, you would think they would consider them a top team."

Hey, whatever you want, Ed...the Pac-12 will do it. I hope you are not suggesting the byu should be included in the Pac-12 just because there are a few games scheduled over the next 10 years.

SoonerUte
Salt Lake City, UT

Wiscougarfan "SoonerUte claimed BYU doesn't belong because of their weak schedule".
I never mentioned Strength of Schedule. I said they do not play a P5 schedule.

The major conferences expect their members to play at least 9 other P5 member schools. Its a pretty simple rule. Just do that, since they aren't swayed by your SOS argument.

Elk Hair Caddis
Sandy, UT

@Sooner UTE

Man up and play us.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

"Arizona vice president of athletics Greg Byrne considers BYU a Power 5 opponent"

Arizona? I thought Bronco was begging to get into the Big 12?

How about Deseret News gets with the program and interview the Texas VP. After-all they hold your key into the Big 12. Now that would be an interesting article.

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