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Published: Monday, July 21 2014 9:23 p.m. MDT

Updated: Monday, July 21 2014 9:23 p.m. MDT

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Cletus from Coalville
Coalville, UT

"Why are they making these false claims? It is all political theater."

Of course it is – that's what liberals thrive on – political theatre. This case is NOT about women's rights, or even religious liberty for that matter. It's all about compelling an employer to PAY for something liberals feel they are entitles to. Employment should be about a contract between an employer and an employee for the employee to provide a service and an employer to provide commensurate compensation. Employees are always FREE to seek employment with an employer who agrees to pay what an employee feels he/she is entitled.

Government should not be compelling employers to PAY for anything beyond that agreement.

Craig Clark
Boulder, CO

"Why are they making these false claims? It is all political theater. This is the reality: The Supreme Court decided in favor of religious liberty,"
- Kristina Arriaga, executive director of the Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, which represented Hobby Lobby before the high court.
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So the Supreme decided in favor of religious liberty, did it? Not unless liberty means license, Ms. Arriaga. The Supreme Court set an extremely dangerous precedent.

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

It's not just the impact on women's health that alarms me about this decision. It's the obvious fact that any private company can now discriminate against anyone on the basis of religion. All they have to do is claim that it's a "burden" on their consciences: "It's against my religion to . . .
Serve black people in my restaurant...
Treat Muslims in my clinic...
Sell snow-cones to liberals...
Ad infinitum, ad nauseam ..."
At least the lawyers will be happy.

boneheaded, but not a smidgen
SLC, UT

distortions are what libs do because they "can't handle the truth".

Craig Clark
Boulder, CO

"distortions are what libs do because they "can't handle the truth"
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In the Hobby Lobby case, distortions are what the religious right is doing because it has utter contempt for the truth and regards itself as above the law.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

The ruling diminishes the religious rights and freedoms of all of us, by affording them to an inanimate corporation which has expenditure power over those it employs. Real humans, not corporate ones, lost rights and freedoms in this case.

1aggie
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

"Megan McArdle reponded with an explanation that the nationwide craft store chain, which is self-insured, doesn't run a mutual fund but outsources its 401(k) plan to a company that provides mutual funds, some of which happen to invest in companies that make birth control."

Of course Hobby Lobby doesn't "run" a mutual fund. It doesn't " run" an insurance company either. But it can, direct who it outsources to to avoid pharmaceutucal companies, or outsource to someone else who will.

Hobby Lobby's health insurance covered Plan B and Ella before Beckett Fund approached them and invited them to file a lawsuit. This was driven by the Beckett Fund.

It iis a lie to refer to keep referring to these drugs as abortifacients. There is no evidence to date that they prevent implantation of a fertilized egg. Pregnancy was once considered to be when the egg was implanted and growing in the uterus. Conservatives changed the definition of pregnancy. In fact, most fertilized eggs don't implant. Are women having numerous spontateous abortions?

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

"The Supreme Court decided in favor of religious liberty . . . "

WRONG

Ultimately, the Supreme Court decided in favor of religious OPPRESSION, while simultaneously damaging America's long-held and cherished principle of the Separation of Church and State.

Religious oppression occurs when a particular religion is able to insinuate itself into the lives of others against their will, and with the backing of government.

Facts are facts. Face the facts.

It is religious oppression. It is un-American, and it is a horrible shame.

Be assured though that Al Qaeda would approve. This sort of thing is exactly what they have in mind for the nations they occupy.

This nation stood safe and secure under the Constitution for well over 200 years until now . . . When it has been brought down to the level of Somalia and its Islamic theocracy.

Way to go "Conservatives."

You must be soooooooo proud.

giantfan
Farmington, UT

1aggie said,

"Hobby Lobby's health insurance covered Plan B and Ella before Beckett Fund approached them and invited them to file a lawsuit. This was driven by the Beckett Fund."

Maybe it did cover it before and their conscience helped them change their minds. Or maybe they're just disgusting hypocrites. Either way, that's not the point. The SCOTUS ruling was about closely held corporations having the right to establish those grounds based on their religious beliefs.

Schnee
Salt Lake City, UT

@Cletus from Coalville
"Of course it is – that's what liberals thrive on – political theatre."

You must not be paying much attention to the House Republicans.

FatherOfFour
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

Change one aspect of the Hobby Lobby case: Make the owners Muslim instead of Catholic. Do you still support he decision?

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

"RFRA has not, like Murray and others claim, offered a blank check for religious believers to do whatever they want in the name of religion,"

Yes, but that is what "religious liberty" here abouts means (almost).

Craig Clark
Boulder, CO

GaryO,

"....Ultimately, the Supreme Court decided in favor of religious OPPRESSION, while simultaneously damaging America's long-held and cherished principle of the Separation of Church and State...."
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I remember the 1960s when conscientious objectors who were eligible for the draft got no sympathy from the courts for cases based on grounds of religion or conscience. Those much maligned 'draft dodgers' must now be shaking their heads in disbelief at how passive and docile the Supreme Court has become in caving in to an extreme religious right that is no danger of being sent to Southeast Asia to get shot at.

Religious extremism has just been handed a decision favoring their claims and it obviously is not enough for them as they still act they have something to squawk about. I tremble to contemplate their next move in this wholly imaginary war on religion.

still_thinking
Draper, UT

The one thing I think that gets lost on this point is that the ruling didn't take away anyone's freedom, or force anyone's religion on anyone else. What it did was state that a private company is not forced to pay for someone else to violate their beliefs. The ruling doesn't state employees can't use that specific birth control, it just says the company doesn't have to pay for it. What kind of 'freedom' requires me to pay for someone to violate my core beliefs? Our constitution guarantees that I can't tell you what to believe, but it doesn't require that I pay for it.

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

"Actually religious oppression is when you compel someone to participate in or pay for something that goes against their religious beliefs. "

We really don't know yet the full implications of the Hobby Lobby ruling, time will tell.

But, HaHaHaHa, to get an idea of where you're going consider the following scenario. Say an employee of yours, who is otherwise a good employee, attends supportively a pro-SSM rally. Would you fire him or her because you viewed them as acting against your religion?

cpafred
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Re:HaHaHaHa

Can I get away with calling conservatives names--"rightwing nuts" and "drama queens?"
I thought name calling was a no-no.

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

Hey HaHaHaHaHaHa . . .

" . . . but forcing someone to go against their religion, is very un-American"

Right.

That's why polygamy is not against the law in Utah.

And that's why we let worshipers of the Great God Baal throw babies into furnaces.

And that's why we let fundamentalist Aztecs cut out the hearts of their slaves.

No . . . Forcing someone to go against their religion (if it's a ridiculous and harmful practice), is NOT un-American.

Face the facts.

Here's a fact:

American Right Wingers are America's Enemy Number ONE. They're just to willfully unaware to realize it.

Dragline
Orem, UT

Hobby Lobby throws up its hands when it invests in birth control: "outsources its 401(k) plan to a company that provides mutual funds, some of which happen to invest in companies that make birth control."

Why can't Hobby Lobby outsource its healthcare to a private company and say its someone else's fault that birth control is covered--just like they do with their investments in birth control--thereby avoiding going against their religious beliefs?

I know, follow the money.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

I don't think that the liberals actually read the article. Had they read it, they would not have continued to spew the very lies that the article dispels.

To "Hutterite" once again, this case did not give corporations the same rights as an individual. This case ensured that individuals could retain their religious freedoms.

Hobby Lobby is owned entirely by the Green family. The head of that family believes that drugs that cause abortion are against his religion. He doesn't want to be forced to pay for those drugs. Companies like GE, Apple, Microsoft, or HP are not included in the ruling because they owned by thousands of different people.

GaryO
Virginia Beach, VA

Craig Clark -

"I tremble to contemplate their next move in this wholly imaginary war on religion."

I know what you mean.

BTW, the government's "war on religion" used to go by another name before the advent of Right Wing radio and FOX "NEWS."

It used to be called "The Separation of Church and State," and it is (or was) a founding principle that kept this nation free for over 200 years.

But now the freedoms of all Americans have been limited by the application and institution of reactionary "Conservative" values.

We can change that, but it's going to take time.

Recent decades of "Conservatives" in high office has demonstrated the inherent foolishness and the unabashed anti-American malevolence inherent to Right Wing leadership. This will most likely keep more discerning Americans from voting for a Republican President for some time to come. And new SC appointments will consist of more reasonable people, who will eventually reverse recent shameful, un-American, and foolish Supreme Court decisions.

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