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Published: Monday, July 21 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Howard Beal
Provo, UT

I have some issues with the common core and have repeatedly stated I'm not a fan of the testing, which existed before the common core. I think we have deeper issues like class size and doing things to attract and retain teachers, all of which have nothing to do with the common core. But with that said I have one question to ask Oklahoma:

So what exactly what will your curriculum be?

Mainly Me
Werribee, 00

This one's a no brainer. It's about dumbing down the smarter kids so they don't make the "disadvantaged" kids feel left out. Common core is an uncommon massive mistake.

E Sam
Provo, UT

The problem has little to do with the standards, or with Common Core itself. The problem is testing. End-of-year standardized tests, by their very existence warp the teaching process. I know the buzz word is 'accountability', but it's an artificial accountability that has to enforced by threats and statistical measures. Finland's education system is the model to which we should aspire. First step to achieving it: end testing now. Of course, subject matter tests, carefully graded, can be a valuable pedagogical tool, if test results are kept entirely confidential, between teacher, student, and possibly, occasionally, the child's parents. But no test result should ever be shared with any government entity, or even with school administrators.

seattle, WA

Without going too far into the woods on this, why is it a problem that a child who graduates from high school in West Virginia has the same proficiencies as a child who graduates from California? Does one state seek to have "dumber" kids than another?

I don't have a dog in this hunt, but it sure seems silly to me that an American child would get one education in Utah, and another in Mississippi.

Me an Der
Lees Summit, MO

Probably you have heard the quip about the guy who left his work place each day with a wheelbarrow full of straw. Upon examination it was determined that he did not have anything hidden under the straw. The inspectors did not realize they were the wheelbarrows he was stealing.

Same thing with Common Core. It is not the "standards" that are sooooo much the problem (however stupid they may be) it is the mechanism of control by the federal government that is being stolen. Once in control of the system, the feds can alter the standards in any way they wish because the states and local system are HOOKED.

bill in af
American Fork, UT

I agree with this article. As an educator for 38 years, I have seen a growing lack of respect for the education community encouraged by the far right of the republican party. Many of these people appear to be "active" members of the LDS church. They will criticize anything done in education for their own personal political benefit. Common Core is just one target that they continue to spread misinformation (also known as lies) to undermine the education of a majority of the children in our state. I support the Governor in his common sense approach to really clear the air and UNDERSTAND what CC really is and how it affects our children. The standards are an improvement over what NCLB was (a republican national program). There may be concerns about the math aspects of CC. If so, adjustments will be made. Anyone who looks at the language arts/social studies/ science CC will be hard pressed to find fault. As a teacher, I am not controlled in how I teach or what text book I use to accomplish these standards. I, like most teachers I know, live by the same standards most good parents in Utah do.

salt lake city, UT

The latest attack by the fringe, radical, right wing elements in our country are nothing more than another attmept to de-fund and marginalize public education. We're spending a lot less, per pupil, on education than we did 20 years ago and attacking common core is just another tactic for the right wing radicals to continue de-funding education. People need to wake up and see what the religous right is trying to do to our country. Liberal education is one of the key foundations to a strong, progressive, competitive society.

Tooele, UT

Re". . . time to scrutinize Common Core standards . . . ."

Way, way past time. And not just Common Core [thought that's a good start], but the whole state curriculum.

I remember an heroic history/civics teacher of two of my children -- he had to make up his own extra-credit crossword puzzle handouts, in order to teach the history and civics knowledge he and I [and every American generation, until this one] received as a child, but which are mostly absent from today's dumbed-down, touchy-feely, UEA/NEA-approved curricula. Things like the preamble to the Constitution, the Gettysburg address, the Declaration of Independence, and many, many Utah statehood facts.

Sadly, gone are the days when we could just trust our children's education to educators. Too many have either become soldiers in the war against America, or abrogated their thinking to their union bosses, all of whom are proud socialist warriors.

Tooele, UT

Re: "Liberal education is one of the key foundations to a strong, progressive, competitive society."

Another proud socialist warrior. I'll bet it'd be interesting to the parents involved to know which schools he's the union boss over.

Jennifer Huefner
Garden City, UT

Why is it that the governor doesn't want any comments about Common Core unless they address the standards themselves when it's not the standards that are the biggest concern? I know that for those of us still interested in LIMITED GOVERNMENT, it's the power the state is giving to the federal government that is of greatest concern. Once we give that power away, it will not be given back to us. Our founding fathers wisely left most powers to the states. Why are so many willing to give such power to the federal government? Why are so many, including Gov. Herbert and our state school board ok with the manner in which Common Core did NOT go through the legislative process? These issues are much more bothersome to me than the standards, although I don't like the standards either. I'm really bugged that if I don't like how math is taught at my school, I can't move my kids to another school that does it different and better. Since when are we as Americans so interested in sameness?!

Atlas Smashed
Santa Monica, CA

Hasn't this been discussed ad nauseam?

The Eagle Forum will never be happy.

Just ignore them and move on.

The Wraith
Kaysville, UT

If the United States hopes to compete in the future global market place than it will need a strong common core. While the current standards are not perfect they are a start and the longer we fight against this the more we fall behind. There are other aspects of our education system that need work as well but this is a key feature that should have been adopted decades ago.

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

Baloney. Federal bureaucrats have no stake in Common Core. It happened without them and is proceeding without them. The Eagle Forum-ers are having childish nightmares while our governor goes prostrate in front of them.

As a former educator, I've reviewed Common Core standards. I find them intelligent, adaptable, and even intriguing. Schools that live by these standards will produce students who are more capable thinkers.

Heber City, UT

By all means review. Comments from educators already using the standards should outweigh all others. Comments not related to specific standards should be immediately deleted. Look at the list of states not adopting or backing out of national standards. Why would we want to join that list?

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

Your heroic teacher is pulling your leg. In examining the Davis curriculum myself, I can see plainly that every single item of history you mention is explicitly covered in that curriculum. If your heroic friend really did have to develop his own curriculum, it's not because the curriculum didn't exist.

Agua Dulce, TX

Utah just wants to keep standards low.

Michael Shea, MD
Yuma, AZ

Just what, exactly, is "liberal education?" Is that the sort of education that has replaced traditional American "religious" values in the classroom with an opposing social bias of dubious distinction? Clearly, our educational system has deteriorated during the last 50 years. Maybe those who keep trying to "improve" it should consider whether whether what they are doing is right or delusional. Personally, I think there is a lot of delusion out there.

bill in af
American Fork, UT

Again spreading more false statements about education. Your "heroic" teacher was probably some football coach who had no idea what was in the social studies core. As a teacher for 38 years, I personally know that teachers in Alpine District do a very good job of helping students understand every one of the examples you mentioned. Accurate history and civics is alive and well in public education despite what those of the far right would lead us to believe otherwise.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

As an educator, I can promise you without hesitation, that the Eagle Forum doesn't have any credibility on this issue. They've run a smear campaign and really don't care about our children. If they did, then they would be protesting the #1 issue that affects our children, funding.

Why isn't the Eagle Forum demanding a meeting with the governor to discuss our dead last in per pupil funding? Why don't they lobby to raise teacher salaries to keep good educators in education? Where's their outrage when we have so many students that some must sit on the floor and not in a desk?

It's clear that they have an anti-public education agenda. I suggest we ignore the static and move on. No amount of discussing the common core will satisfy them.

South Weber, UT

Ummm... Isn't Governor Herbert the the one who helped "create" and then sign on to the Common Core? Doesn't he know it inside and out? Why then is he now calling for a review? Looks like nothing more than a media show to me.

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