As a former Bishop of a YSA ward, I met with dozens of BYU students every year
to sign their ecclesiastical endorsement. With each student I carefully
reviewed the Honor Code requirements and had the student's word that they
were and would continue to abide by the Honor Code. Of course some students had
challenges and we worked through them confidentially. In today's society
of instant news and comment boards, student athletes are not afforded the same
level of confidentiality and that is a shame. I found the Honor Code officials
to be rational and compassionate and willing to help each student.Yes, I'm a Utah fan and Alum but one who also respects BYU and what the
school stands for based on my interactions. I wish this young man all the best
and hope things work out well for him. I have no idea what happened in his
situation and won't speculate but if he wants to return, he'll be
given a fair opportunity to work his way back.In the mean time,
let's give the kid a break and be thankful our youthful mistakes
weren't public forum fodder.
I hope Sione TakiTaki is man enough and humble enough to relaize his mistake. I
seem to remember a kid by the last name of Van Noy who started out with some
struggles and look what happened to this young man. Will TakiTaki take the same
course? No one knows. Fact of the matter is is that the Honor code was not
hidden, he knew what he was getting into, he made the choices he made and now
must suffer the consequences. The great thing is, is that there is a way back
if you are willing to pay the price.
DrUteLOL at about how clueless you are about the facts.Although dismissed from the football team, for this year, Sione is still
enrolled at BYU and his uncle was reportedly headed to Provo to discuss the
situation with BYU's coaching staff.Sure doesn't sound
like a young man that BYU has already given up on. And it certainly doesn't
sound like Sione has given up on BYU.Despite your frantic and
emotional claims to the contrary.
@ Rockwell: You obviously didn't read the article - this young man was
dismissed after only a few weeks on campus, not suspended, but flushed out of
the program.We don't know the infraction, but what a positive
spin you put on the situation --- He could grow up to be KVN someday if he would
just recant, apply himself to the necessary Blue requirements, and come back
from The Dark Side of The Force.I'll look forward to reading
about his abject apology and his attempts to low crawl back onto campus.For his own good, of course.In fact, I'll even
volunteer to track his progress for you and keep you informed of further
developments.For my part, I'm hoping Sione will survive and in
fact prosper, don't you feel the same?[Perhaps, but the word
I'm thinking of is "Hubris".] Have a nice day.
@ Mormon Ute:Eeeew-Wee Baby, that 11:13am comment sounds right on to
me.Nice. Vai has been around, should have known the
NCAA system, and if not should have taken ten seconds to Google it. Pretty low
class, there, Vai.I'd bet a buck that several days ago Kyle and
Bronko had a personal 5 minute conference call concerning the situation &
have already resolved it. Those guys go 'way back, and Bronko would be the
first to say "sorry about the loose cannon, it was not our
intention."Everyone pretty much knows that Bronko and Kyle both
are Right Up Front people, know the rules, and would not have played this kind
of game against each other.If he stays, that's great. If he
goes, that's up to him. And whether or not he follows The
Rules.But an Outsider playing games with D1 programs is decidedly
not Phi Beta Kappa. It may be "Vai Beta Kappa", but it
certainly ain't "Phi".[Nice job, Mormon Ute, I'll
look forward to reading other comments you send; fun to see your perspective in
the mix!]Go Utes!!
Not a PR problem?LOL!BYU needs two types of recruits -
them that is & them that isn't LDS.And there are still a
lot more Gentiles out there than Brethren.--- Not saying whatever
was the cause here was something any other school would accept, since
there's no public pronouncement as of yet, but everyone knows competition
for significant D1 talent is super intense, which includes the recruit's
(and the family's) perception of quality of life while they're
investing several years at an institution. When you add up the
self-inflicted wounds of The Invisible Busby, this dismissal, the Rocky Road of
Independence, lack of reasonable opportunity to ever play in a significant
postseason bowl, etc etc you're playing the Sisyphus game. Hmmmmm - Wonder why Notre Dame's recruit score is what it is this year,
versus BYU --- you want to be like 'em, so you have to be willing to
compare ---Try Googling "Rivals BYU" versus "Rivals
Notre Dame" for results so far this recruiting season, & then fold your
mind around what factors just might be the difference.LOLx2!!
No sense in piling on the kid. Whatever he did just shows that BYU athletes are
just like any other athletes. They aren't special so BYU fans should stop
touting them as such.
Riddles in the Dark,I know because Harvey himself hasn't made a
statement or spoken to the media, even though he's had plenty of time to do
so since being released as a missionary. It is obvious by Harvey's and his
family's public silence on this issue that the matter was far from settled
when Vai wrote the article. If Harvey was truly totally committed to it, he
would have met with both coaches by now and there would have been a press
release from the U releasing him from his commitment. I think Vai wanted to put
pressure on Coach Whitt and Harvey's parents to endorse the move, because
he didn't get their endorsement initially. It was intentional on
Vai's part, but it back fired on him and I believe it burned some bridges
for him. He may no longer be allowed unfettered access to Ute players and the
Langi family may not be so quick to seek his help in the future. Sometimes
silence speaks louder than words.
Tomahawk RedThere's nothing in the Ten Commandments that's
serious, at least according to some.There's nothing in the
Military Code of Conduct that's serious, at least according to some.Just because you choose to live by different standards, doesn't
mean the BYU Honor Code isn't serious to some.It's alright
to respect the standards of others, even if you don't believe or follow
Mormon UteYou're making a lot of assumptions that may or may
not be true. How do you know that Harvey didn't expect Vai to
report his transfer plans to the media? How do you Harvey didn't want Vai
to facilitate his transfer to BYU?Regardless of what Harvey's
parents or Coach Whittingham wanted, Harvey is an adult, and the decision is
ultimately up to him.
VanceoneProvo, UTPerhaps I wasn't clear. This guy, if he
was kicked off for violating the honor code--it wasn't something like too
long hair. It must have been rather serious. ---------There's nothing in the honor code that is serious.
uteology,Where did I say he wanted to return to BYU? I said IF he
does and I used that word, because I don't know.
truecoug1,When I said people were blind sided, what I meant is that
they weren't ready for it to go public. Harvey was asking Vai for help in
contacting coaches and others involved in the situation, he didn't ask Vai
to take it to the media. That is what blind sided people. Vai didn't have
the right to go public with a something he was being asked privately to help
with. Of course Harvey's parents knew about it. I didn't say anything
different. My point has been all along that I believe when Coach Whitt and
Harvey's parents started pushing back Vai jumped the gun in his efforts to
help Harvey and went public before he should have. Harvey should have been
allowed to work this out with his parents and coaches without a media firestorm
and Vai should have known that.
Tomahawk RedNorth Salt Lake, UT"You're talking out
the side of your mouth like all Utah fans view the honor code with the same
esteem and respect BYU fans do.We don't. In fact, many of us
don't believe in the honor code at all."Given the vitriol
from Ute fans, it doesn't appear to be much of a stretch that
"honor" has no place on the Hill. It seems that most state
funded institutions of higher learning mirror the national illness and
corruption of our nation's "leaders."
Boise state will grab him
@uteologyWord is that his uncle was coming over from California over
to meet with some of the coaching staff... That's what was reported by the
same guy that broke the story... I don't think that the uncle's trip
is a vacation... Seems to me that there is some interest to try and work things
For whatever I reason I didn't catch the sarcasm in Truecoug1's
posting that I commented on. It's a bit ironic that what I was getting at,
is that there are so many judgmental, more righteous than thou, fellow members
of the LDS Church, who let that spill over into their BYU fandom, I thought
that's what Troucoug1 was doing.
@Mormon Uteteology,Help me understand your logic. He was
kicked off the team and out of school. That isn't done for shooting spit
wads in math class. He did something that he has to take responsibility for.
That seems like a problem specific to the kid.If he chooses to take
responsibility and wants to get back to school and football at BYU, then the
coach can help him. If he doesn't, there's nothing the coach can
do.---------------Where does it say he wants to return
to BYU? I haven't read that. If that's true then you are right, he
needs to meet with Bronco to live under the rules at BYU.If not,
then not wanting to live by the Honor Code is not a problem, he might just be
acting like any typical red-white-and-blue American teenager. He just
can't do it at BYU.
@chrisbUtah didn't offer because they had no chance and
didn't want to tie up the scholarship possibility... Plain and Simple...What do you want to bet that the utes make an offer now though???
lol.BYU only goes after classy athletes... Takitaki was one of
them... He may decided to move on but I hope he doesn't... I hope we see
him back in blue and following through with his commitment.I
Don't know what happened, but history tells me that one proves the quality
of their make-up far more and far faster by bearing down, picking themselves up,
and conquering that which knocked them down as opposed to just moving on.
Many people who say they object to the Honor Code actually object to the Dress
and Grooming standards, which are NOT the Honor Code. The Dress and Grooming
standards were largely established in the late 60s in opposition of the Hippy
movement. They have changed only slightly since then.Yes, as part
of the Honor Code students agree to follow the Dress and Grooming standards.
However, they are not the same thing.I, a BYU alum, think many of
the regulations in the Dress and Grooming standards are a bit ridiculous.
However, I have zero problem with the Honor Code. And since I signed the Honor
Code agreement, I kept the Dress and Grooming standards...usually. Yep, there
were times I went to class without shaving for a couple of days. Gasp! And
there were times I let my hair get a little long. Heaven forbid!I
was never turned away at the testing center. I never had another student, or
professor, or anyone ever say anything to me. Those of you who believe in a
judgmental culture at BYU? I guess you can find it if you look for it, but I
never experienced it.
Hmm. Lots of self righteous Utes here who claim to, apparently, love the honor
code? Perhaps I wasn't clear. This guy, if he was kicked off
for violating the honor code--it wasn't something like too long hair. It
must have been rather serious. And there were several Ute fans
immediately claiming that this guy shouldn't be concerned; a sin at BYU was
a good reason to go to the U instead. Now that I observed how...
interesting that point of view is ("Hey! You too much of a sinner to be at
BYU? Have we got a deal for you......!") there's a bunch of offended
Utes. Sorry, it's not my fault that you guys are saying that this guy
would be a great pickup if he cannot hack the standards at BYU.
@ 2020 "most Utah fans" like yourself don't need a
specific reason to hate on your church's school. We're your hate
rival. You'd find any reason, however silly.Go BYU!
@Jefe-Ute "You must live in a bubble if you don't think that BYU
ignores blatant disregard for the honor code for its athletes. They
couldn't even stick to the 5 game suspension for hadley."Lol, you just lost all credibility right there. Saying that BYU "ignores
blatant disregard of the honor code for its athletes", and then in the same
breath using Hadley's suspension of five games was to reduced to three as
an example of this is is laughable. Hadley was suspended BECAUSE he broke the
honor code, and his suspension of three games (for doing what every other
student at a college in the U.S. is allowed to do) was just as long as Brian
Blechen's suspension for failing MULTIPLE drug tests for marijuana. You're fighting a losing battle here, my friend. BYU does a great
job of upholding and enforcing its standards. If only other universities would
follow suit.Go Cougars!
@MormonUteUm, I'm not wrong. You were saying that both
universities were blindsided by the report. I pointed out that they
weren't, since they both had known about Harvey's intentions a month
before the story broke.And I have a hard time believing that
Harvey's own family had no idea about his intentions. He used his
mom's cell phone to talk to Vai about it at the end of his mission. Regardless, if you think that Vai breaking this story somehow sheds BYU
in a bad light, then power to you. Vai is an independent reporter who
contributes to the D News. He's not employed by BYU and can choose to
break a story whenever he wants. I'm pretty sure BYU didn't go to Vai
and ask him to break the story when he did.But you can think
whatever you want. Go Cougars!
DrUte, Like a once great BYU fan/philosopher once said:
"(BYU's) Environment giveth and environment taketh away!" You,
doctor, just don't have a handle on what the Langi transfer means. This recent incident concerning Takitaki is separate from the NCAA
investigation. We'll purportedly see about 3 or 4 more of these actions
(not necessarily dismissals) soon. The NCAA violations suspensions
will be light in comparison. And thanks for your interest in everything
BYU. It's all about the Y with you... Don't take your eye off it.LOL.Go Cougs!
Everyone needs to relax and stop jumping to conclusions. Takitaki is not going
anywhere. He will not be on the Football team for the 2014 season,
but Bronco brought the issue before the team and staff allowed them a say in the
matter and it was a landslide. Takitaki will remain a student at BYU and rejoin
the team in January. Much ado about nothing.....
@DrUte "I'm truly enlightened now thanks to your collective
explanations of why the entire world is Blue."------------------I'm glad we could help you out there. Nice
to see another enlightened join the fold :). Also, what is with the
obsession with Duane Busby? It seems like every Ute fan is desperately hoping
that there are going to be serious repercussions here. Tom Holmoe himself said
that the allegations were very minor and would be on a lower-tier scale.So, again, I'm not sure why that was bad PR for BYU. The only
people who look bad in this are the local media who were trying to blow it way
out of proportion, and the Ute fans who were/are still hoping that this would
spell the death sentence for the BYU football program as we know it. I
don't think that's going to happen.Go Cougars!
truecoug1,Sorry, you are wrong. Harvey asked his mission president
and Vai to help him by contacting a few individuals on both sides of the issue.
The individuals at the U said, "He's still a Ute, we'll deal with
it when he gets home." Harvey didn't give Vai or anyone permission to
go to the media. Maybe he was naive knowing Vai is a member of the media
himself, but Vai should have known better. Also, Harvey and his parents have
refused interviews and comments about the situation, since the story broke and
have told several news outlets they were caught completely off guard by
Vai's story. In fact Harvey's Mom didn't even know about the
story until she was told on the phone by a reporter. Vai blew it and he knows
Re: 2020 post at 2:53 pmIf you want to despise BYU and its fans (you
know, fellow card-carrying members such as yourself) because of sports, I guess
that is your right. However, my opinion is that you judge a bit too
harshly. In the eternal scheme of things sports means nothing; how you treat
others is what is truly important. . .
truecoug1Provo, UTOh trust me, Tomahawk...we BYU fans KNOW
Utah fans don't believe in the honor code at all. ---------OK tell Vanceone that. Maybe he'll understand better and be able to
turn down his disappointment with Utah fans' interest in adding this guy to
@2020 "You don't know what, "most Utah fans believe
in.""Lol, sorry, man, I guess my TIC comment slipped past
you there. I was hoping the smiley face and "cute and entertaining"
comment would clue people in to the playful banter, but I'll try to be a
little more overt with my sarcasm next time.I don't know what
most Utah fans believe in. However, I'm sure Tomahawk Red doesn't
either, even though he was speaking for all of U when he said "many Utah
fans (even some LDS members) believe that BYU's honor code is
ridiculous...In fact, many of us don't believe in the honor code at
all."I find it extremely ironic/hypocritical that you would call
me out for saying that I don't know what all Utah fans believe, and yet you
apparently are just fine with Tomahawk's comments, especially since I would
think a "card-carrying LDS member" such as yourself would have no
problem in the honor code, and the standards it tries to uphold.But
to each his or her own. Sorry you didn't like my banter.Go
2020 - have you ever been to a football game at RES? A good portion of Utah
fans, due to honor code infractions, would never be considered for admittance to
BYU - and you know it.It is hypocritical, disingenuous card-carrying
members of the LDS Church Utah fans like you that make me despise the University
of Utah and its fans even more. You might not like BYU, which is fine. But
keep religion out of it.
@truecoug1He only had to cut his hair to get his ID, just like I had
to shave my little stubble to get my ID. Riley Nelson wasn't just barely
over the HC limit for hair length. He had attended all of fall camp, and was a
couple weeks into the season. So Bronco just didn't notice his really long
hair? AMAZING! Athletes are the ones representing the school as they go on t.v.
and just like I can't take a test for long hair, Nelson and others
shouldn't get to play football unless abiding by the honor code. It's
a double standard. You must live in a bubble if you don't think that BYU
ignores blatant disregard for the honor code for its athletes. They
couldn't even stick to the 5 game suspension for hadley.
@TrueCoug1 You don't know what, "most Utah fans believe in."
It's statements like that that make card-carrying members of the LDS church
Ute fans like myself, despise the Y even more. I's really not the school I
dislike, it's some of the fans.
Gee guys, sorry you didn't like my earlier post about BYU's current
nest of PR problems. I'm truly enlightened now thanks to your
collective explanations of why the entire world is Blue.Can't
wait for the Busby pronouncements to pop (should be soon, some of them have
already been posted and then quickly removed from media sight), certainly just
another opportunity to revel in Life In The Blue Bubble!Everything's fine, no problems Down South; truly, all's right with
the world.Muchisimas Gracias, &LOL!!!
@MormonUte "The Langi issue is a PR problem for BYU, because a BYU alum and
booster blew the whole thing for Langi by going public with it before the family
was ready and blind sided both universities."--------------------------That's actually false. Go back and
read the story and listen to some of the interviews that Vai did with the local
media. Harvey's mission president was asked by Harvey in his final
interview to contact three people: Bronco, K Whitt, and Vai and let them all
know of Harvey's intentions to transfer A MONTH before Vai broke the story.
Nobody was blindsided by anything.
We need look no further than Kyle Van Noy to see how this could be a good thing
for Sione. Good luck to him!
Van Noy (alcohol), Hadley (alcohol), Williams (alcohol) and now Takitaki (who
knows what). If the Lord's University wants to have their athletes
live by an Honor Code, I would suggest recruiting athletes that are currently
living the Honor Code. Again, just a suggestion. Unless of course the alcohol
consumption starts after arriving in Provo which would be a whole other issue to
address. Therefore, you knew what I was before you recruited me. Do
you really expect such behavior to stop once they are finally away from home and
their parents control? Come on people! Think.
We don't want him because he didn't like us first even though we did
NOT offer him so it don't matter anymore.Go Utes!
The only "news" here is that a young man is no longer in College. I
love football like every one else but this situation is not a loss to the BYU
football team. It is a loss to this young man and his family, not because he
won't be able to play football but because he wont be getting an education.
College football and it's fans need to step back and figure
out why these teams really exist. Sure they are there to make money for and
represent the school but aren't they really there to give these young men
an opportunity to earn a college degree? These young men are not pieces of meat
to be thrown on the field of play like solders. They are young fragile human
beings and should be treated that way. The education should come before the
sports and not the other way around.I wish Tikitaki and his family
the best and I hope to see him competing in the classroom very soon.
Duckhunter,The Langi issue is a PR problem for BYU, because a BYU
alum and booster blew the whole thing for Langi by going public with it before
the family was ready and blind sided both universities. Normally these things
are allowed to be played out between the players and coaches and then the school
makes a formal anouncement. Vai Sikahema blew it. He knows it and BYU knows it
and now both have egg on their face.
Y Grad / Y DadRichland, WA"hopefully it won't get
splayed in public for all to gossip about."If you don't
want this to happen, you better hope Jeff Bendict doesn't hear about it.
@Tomahawk Red "You're talking out the side of your mouth like all Utah
fans view the honor code with the same esteem and respect BYU fans do. We
don't. In fact, many of us don't believe in the honor code at
all."---------------------------Oh trust me, Tomahawk...we
BYU fans KNOW Utah fans don't believe in the honor code at all. When one
of your football team's core values is "No DUI's", that gives
a pretty clear indication to us BYU fans of what the standards are at Utah and
what most Utah fans believe in.It's what makes you guys so cute
and entertaining!:)Go Cougars!
We don't even know why he was released. Yet everyone assumes he committed a
crime or violated the honor code. It could be something as simple as a mess up
or over site concerning the NCAA clearing house or a number of other things. I
hope whatever it is this young man is able to rectify the problem and play ball
@Jefe-Ute continuedAlso, when Josh Quezada got to campus, he had to
cut off the big hair that he'd been growing out for most of his life. As
soon as people saw Riley Nelson's hair was a little too long, he got a
haircut and kept it within an HC appropriate length for the duration of his time
at BYU.BYU's not perfect, but one thing that they are very good
at is enforcing and upholding their standards. So you're fighting a losing
battle there, my friend.
@Jefe-UteYep, I definitely attended BYU, just graduated from there
this year, as a matter of fact. Love the school, love what it stands for, and I
love the honor code. That's pretty weak smack you've got there re
Riley Nelson. I'm sure at any given time on BYU campus you'll find
guys with longer hair, or with beards, not just the athletes. In fact, I saw
guys like that walking on campus while I was there. There may be a multitude of
reasons for that. I know KVN had a beard card for his beard, and I know a lot
of guys on campus who do, too.BYU does a great job of treating its
athletes like the rest of its students, and a much better job of enforcing its
standards than other schools. Brandon Davies is a great example. KVN and
Harvey Unga are others. Heck, Spencer Hadley was suspended for more games just
by drinking at a party than the Ute player who got a DUI and was driving on the
wrong side of the road!
Uteology,Help me understand your logic. He was kicked off the team
and out of school. That isn't done for shooting spit wads in math class.
He did something that he has to take responsibility for. That seems like a
problem specific to the kid.If he chooses to take responsibility and
wants to get back to school and football at BYU, then the coach can help him.
If he doesn't, there's nothing the coach can do.
VanceoneProvo, UTSomething to be real proud of, Utes!
"This guy can't live the basic honor code at BYU to a degree that they
kicked him out after two weeks? Sounds like a great pickup!" ----------Before you get on your moral high horse and start
judging people, understand that many Utah fans (even some LDS members) believe
that BYU's honor code is ridiculous. Thus, if this kid may have violated
the honor code and got kicked out... doesn't it stand to reason that many
Ute fans wouldn't think that's a big deal? That's not exactly a
high crime.You're talking out the side of your mouth like all
Utah fans view the honor code with the same esteem and respect BYU fans do. We don't. In fact, many of us don't believe in the honor code
at all. Therefore, why should it be such a disaster to us when he breaks it? If
Utah was an Atheist institution, would BYU fans get all riled up and reject a
kid if he was kicked out for bringing a bible to practice? If the answer is no,
then you're being hypocritical.
Utah did NOT offer him, but I know that Call wants to make it sound like Utah
wanted him.We didn't. We didn't offer.
He'll be back. Soon.
For both the Cougar and Ute fans posting...You might want to know
that the Majority of BYU coaches (including Mendenhall) are all on Vacations
with their families.I believe this has nothing to do with Football,
but a violation of the Honor Code... Which is not hard to do these
@truecoug1Did you even attend BYU? BYU definitely holds a different
standard for their athletes. I saw it every year I was there. Great example,
although small in nature, is Riley Nelson. Didn't have to cut his hair
until someone posted a youtube video of him and called it "ode to riley
nelson's hair". BYU only upholds the honor code on major infractions
like sex, alcohol, cheating, etc. I saw multiple athletes who were not abiding
by the honor code in different ways.I wish the best to the player
and hope this doesn't ruin his college career.
Having gone through issues with a couple of my sons, I know how difficult it can
be for kids these days. Hopefully he can find his way back to BYU, if that is
what he wants. If not, hope things go well with him as he moves forward with
life.Regarding Langi, has he officially transferred to BYU or is it
on hold? I have not heard anything since the initial announcement.
DrUte,What? Bad PR? Takitaki didn't hold up his end of the
deal, how is that BYU's PR issue? Or have you never heard of the honor
code? How is Langi BYU's PR issue? utes wanted the Busby situation to be
death and destruction but it just made all the haters look entirely foolish by
their overreaction, fueled by their hate.Your veiled and fabricated
empathy couched as anything genuine is disturbing at least and an arrogant
attempt at manipulation to express concern. Your perceptions do not add up to
your assertions of tragedy and sorrow.
Wishing the best for this kid. Hopefully he will grow from this and land on his
feet. Too bad there is so much speculation from all sides as to what he did.Football can't get here soon enough!!
DrUte, to add to what truecoug1 said...Who's to say that
Takitaki won't stick it out and still play at BYU? It's happened
before. Completely up to him, take advantage of other schollie offers now or
work his way back into BYU and rejoin the football squad. The easiest road would
be to play for another university immediately. Just saying that there's
more than one option.Go Takitaki/BYU!
I loved the comment above that "If this kid committed serious sins, then he
shouldn't go to BYU. Utah is the better place for him!" said,
apparently without any sense of irony, by a Ute fan. As if it is a source of
pride that your football team doesn't have moral standards or something.
Something to be real proud of, Utes! "This guy can't live
the basic honor code at BYU to a degree that they kicked him out after two
weeks? Sounds like a great pickup for us!" I hope that this is
actually a KVN situation all over again, though. I'd rather this kid never
plays sports if he can focus on getting his life in order. That's more
important, in the grand scheme of things.
@DrUte I appreciate the sentiment regarding Sione and agree that we
shouldn't pile on the kid. I wish him all the best, and I hope that
he's able to get everything sorted out and enroll back into BYU in the
future.However, I'm not sure where you're coming from
regarding BYU difficulties and bad PR. I think it's been a great
off-season for BYU. The Busby situation was completely overblown and left a lot
of the local media with egg on their face after they speculated there could be
"$250,000 in benefits", "safe houses", and this was a
"systemic issue that stretched back to Lavell's days and the BYU
administration had to know about it" when, in fact, it turned out to be
extremely minor in nature.The Langi situation was great for BYU. A
high-profile recruit who transferred from a "P5" program because he
wanted to live a higher standard that is enforced at BYU. And this
Takitaki situation, while unfortunate, just reinforces that BYU enforces the
Honor Code and is not hypocritical with regards to that or its athletes.Pretty good for a BYU fan.
@druteHow is the Langi transfer a "difficulty" or a "PR
problem" for BYU? Seems to me to be a "difficulty", if not outright
embarrassment, for the univeristy of utah and a huge PR issue for them as well.
You know someone leaving your school and basically saying it is because of all
the bad influences there seems to be more of a "PR problem" for the
school the kid is running away from as fast as he possibly can than the one he
is going to. lol
DrUteYou've obviously misread the tea leaves.This
isn't a PR issue. It's about a young man deciding his
priorities and determining whether his priorities match the standards of BYU or
any other institution of high learning he would like to attend.What
you with your BYU-hating spin claim is a "form of significant human
tragedy", may instead be a life-changing event for positive growth - see
That's unfortunate, but the kid new the rules going in. I hope things work
out for him.
Uteology"What exactly did this kid do?"It's
none of your business what the kid did and certainly none of your business to
decide under what conditions he may or may not return to BYU.
Speculation, Speculation, Speculation. Another cultural problem that
I wish we could overcome.He will be fine where ever he ends up.
CB"By the way good job on the new 1 for 2 agreement with
Arizona, a team BYU fans laugh at for their lack or success in a big boy
conference."LOL at your spin:It's a 1-1-1
agreement.One neutral site game, one game in Provo, and one game in
Tucson.University of Phoenix Stadium, where the Fiesta Bowl is
played, is in close proximity to a huge BYU fan base. Don't be too
surprised to see half the stadium filled with BYU fans.btw, Arizona
has been far more successful in the PAC than the Utes have been; and BYU fans
don't laugh at Arizona, they simply point out the fact that Arizona has
been in the PAC 30 years and is still looking for their first Rose Bowl.
I'm sure the Honor Code was not hidden from him before he signed. So
obviously, he already decided once that BYU, Honor Code and all, was the place
for him.No need to theorize what the issue is, and hopefully it
won't get splayed in public for all to gossip about.I just hope
he can take the long view of the situation and can work it through. Best of
luck to him in the future.
Rather than send the normal spitballs back and forth, how about stepping back a
moment and realize this is a form of significant human tragedy.This
young man just lost a scholarship opportunity and will be explaining the
situation to whatever team he may now seek to join. And this was not just a
game or two suspension, but gone from school, and he'd only been on campus
a few weeks. Had to be a pretty big Ooops.Not much fun, & not
much to gloat about.--- There seem to be an inordinate number of
difficulties popping up in Provo recently between Busby, Langi, and now this....
And not the best PR to have this announcement come out seemingly as a leak
with Bronko on 'vacation' and 'not available for
comment'.--- Beyond the continuing horrendously bad PR tactics,
sorry to hear There's Trouble In River City. I'm sure most of the
Blue Crew readership would say it's time to resolve these distractions,
reset the bowling pins, and get ready to play some football.Sad to
say Sione, it's time to move on. Best of luck on your new pathway.
Hope he rebounds from whatever led to the change. Go Cougars!And
once again ChrisB is making this about the Utes...
@Cougsndawgs,"Utah didn't offer because they aren't
good enough to land this caliber LB."Says a fan of a team that
has lost to Utah 4 years in a row.
Mormon UteKaysville, UTSometimes kids don't want to
change. Coach Mendenhall can only help the ones who want the help.-------------You are assuming the kid is the problem. What exactly
did this kid do? Commit a sin or commit a crime? Crime then yes, he needs
help. Sin? Then maybe BYU just isn't the place for him.
I'm sorry to see this kid go. It would be great to see him work with Coach
Mendenhall and come back to the program, but if that's not possible I hope
he has success wherever he ends up.
Sometimes kids don't want to change. Coach Mendenhall can only help the
ones who want the help.
Utah never offered. However, they desperately need some LB depth. Since he is
already in Utah, maybe the Utes should take a look at him.
Coach Mendenhall has a good record of helping young men find their way. Hope he
can do it again.