DuckOuttaYour bias is showing.You fail to recognize that
with past achievements BYU already has a 'respectable national
reputation'. Though a 'dusting off' might be warranted it
doesn't change historical fact. This is what irritates Ute fans. Bronco has
done a very respectable job since taking over but granted much is to be done on
bigger stages. BYU still garners much more national media attention than the
local Utah commuter school as evidenced by these pre-season lists... each year.
An ESPN contract also bodes well nationally for BYU.The Utes 2
season accomplishments were to Urban Meyer's credit and they have not
garnered the Utes that 'respectable national reputation' you so refer
to, it has gotten them to a PAC12 level but we know the story from there... a
continuing down trend and Whit's job is on the line.Both teams
have upside potential, BYU more so than the Utes, as this challenge to get a
conference affiliation or scheduling agreement plays out is more of a story than
the Utes trying to get bowl eligible at 7th place.All of which...
most "Ute" fans who supposedly 'moved on' are... obsessed
@CDM1525So, let me get this straight. BYU pretty much own Oklahoma
and Texas given their record against them, so that means that Utah would win the
Big 12 every year. Hummmmmmm, I wonder why they are the Pac 12 bottom feeders?
Meckofahess:As a Mormon who just moved from Oregon I have to say that
BYU's reputation could use some dusting off right now. No one outside the
LDS community really cares about them because they haven't made a name for
themselves like they did in the 80s and 90s, whereas Utah has beaten the best on
the brightest stages. I would like to see BYU succeed but they have to start
winning the big games if they want the "respectable national reputation"
you speak of.
Oh how I love this pre-season hype!. It means that good ole college football is
getting closer - hoorah! I think this is going to be a good year for BYU which
will only boost their already respectable national reputation. If Utah has
another bad year I think you can say Adios to Coach Whit. Seems like BYU is
headed in the right direction with their football program - Utes not so much. I
hope Utah does not become a perennial bottom dweller in the PAC-12, that
isn't good for football in the State of Utah. Glad the Aggies seem to be
doing well, hope to see that continue too - Go Ags!. So all you Ute, Ag and Coug
fans keep up the hype talk - I am so ready for that opening kickoff to arrive!
CDM1525BYU fans can talk trash because the Utes have been such
pathetic bottom feeders since joining the PAC that Utah's little
four-in-a-row run, with three games decided by 1, 3 and 7 points is the only
thing the Utes have to brag about.While BYU is looking forward to
their 10th straight bowl, something that's never happened on the hill, the
Utes are looking forward to polishing another SOS trophy.
It's not that utah places so much emphasis on one game, it's just
pathetic how a team that cannot even beat two bottom feeders can talk trash on
another team. Especially to a team that has beaten them four times in a row
CDM1525"What does that say about BYU?"It says
that BYU doesn't base the success of their entire season on one game.While Utah fans are beating their chests about beating BYU, they're
sitting at home on their couches during bowl week watching BYU play in another
bowl.More evidence that the Utes would rather beat BYU than play in
a bowl.In a strange way, it's sort of flattering for BYU that a
P5 is so obsessed with an irrelevant, non-P5, that they still think of beating
BYU as a red badge of courage.
Oh wait, one more thing. BYU can't even beat the bottom feeders of ACC in
Virginia. 2 bottom feeder programs, 2 losses.
Let me get this straight. Utah are the bottom feeders of the Pac12. They pretty
much own BYU and have beaten them 4 times in a row? What does that say about
Utah County Utes"They take the previous season Stats into
account, then they name who is on each preseason watch list @Steven S Jarvis.
Which is a lot higher for BYU because they play weaker opponents week in and
week out. Give BYU or Utah State a PAC 12 schedule and they would finish near
the bottom also."Just another whiny excuse from the
crimson-glasses wearing crowd.The Utes have never won a national
individual award of any kind even when they were playing WAC and MWC
schedules.The fact that few Utes are good enough to be on a national
watch list is simply a reflection of how mediocre your program is. It has
nothing to do with how tough your schedule is.
Best of luck to all 20 of these athletes. I hope they're all incredibly
Why is our premier P5 Utes lagging behind? I was under the
impression that P5 teams have better recruits than 'other' teams, thus
more would be on these lists.Please explain this disparity.
C'mon Utah. It's embarrassing that a PAC12 program doesn't have
at least as many athletes on these lists as non P5 teams. I don't have a
horse in this race (though I'm LDS so I follow BYU a lot) but the Utes have
gotta start keeping QBs healthy and getting more talent. Watching Utah play my
Ducks last year for instance: Utah hung close for awhile but eventually talent
and depth overwhelmed them. Utah has to get more talent, and these lists portray
that.Unlike some BYU fans want to pretend though, I along with many
of my Duck fan friends like having Utah in the PAC12 and everything they bring.
Given time they will be a good team and get the talent and depth they need.
Oregon wasn't always a juggernaut either.
KH"I guess head to head wins don't matter any more to BYU
fans."LOL at your desperate attempt to deflect attention to
head-to-head wins, when BYU doesn't even play Utah again until 2016?"It's who is the team with the most pre-season nomination
awards."Here's a clue:In order to win a
post-season national individual award, it helps to be included on a pre-season
national watch list.Of course, this is a foreign concept to a
program that's never won a national individual award of any kind.-------------------State of the two programs:BYU wins
and talks about their next bowl.Utah loses and whines about
Utes will be limping through another football year. Dres should have
transferred to the Cougs or Aggies.Weber may bowl before the utes
I really feel bad for the utah offensive coordinators... they just don't
have much talent to work with. I mean, 7 offensive coordinators in the last 7
years? Utes are the doormat of bottom feeders.The Utes are 1-15
against the PAC 12 opponents with winning records. 1-15!!! Keep holding that SOS
trophy as high as you can because its the only trophy you'll be holding for
decades. Strength of schedule doesn't do anything if you have a win
percentage of .0625 against those teams. Haha .0625.
OK so here goes fan suicide, haha: As a lifelong Cougar fan, I will say that
Taysom Hill has done nothing to show me he should be on any of those lists,
other than maybe a hypothetical "Doak Walker Honorable Mention" watch
list. Apparently, I'm not the only one to say he hasn't proven himself
as a QB. RB? Maybe. QB? No.For other opinions, I cite another
website (Vanquish the Foe) title, "The Woeful State of BYU Passing." An interesting cable show last night featured Cam Newton and Colin
Kaepernick as only the 14th and 15th-best NFL QB's, respectively. Why? I
paraphrase: because instinctive running QB's as a rule, never quite develop
and fine-tune their accuracy.I truly HOPE (cause the program's
survival may depend on it) Taysom defies the odds and learns to master the
pocket the way Steve (Young) did.
IfelYou nailed it!USU TWICE as many players recognized
as Utah!BYU 3x as many players recognized as the Utes!Poor
Utes... a diminishing trend 4-5, 3-6, 2-5 since joining the PAC10. Bowl-less 2x.
What's a Ute fan to say or do?At least there are two teams to
get excited about this year.Go Aggies, Go BYU!
I guess head to head wins don't matter any more to byu fans. It's who
is the team with the most pre-season nomination awards.
And what we need to pick up is a bowl game, not watching byu play on tv during
the holidays instead. We will have good luck with that one for sure this year
just you wait and see.Go write it down!
They take the previous season Stats into account, then they name who is on each
preseason watch list @Steven S Jarvis. Which is a lot higher for BYU because
they play weaker opponents week in and week out. Give BYU or Utah State a PAC 12
schedule and they would finish near the bottom also.
Steven S Jarvis:"These lists are about players who are expected
to do great things"Utah players just do great things. Just look
at the number of Utah players in the NFL compared to byU - 30 for Utah, 9 for
byU. 17 for USU, BTW. Even little brother up north is putting Bronco and crew
to shame.The only players that will be picking up hardware from that
list are Chucky and Dres.Go Utes!!
@argofyAnd how is that "real conference" working out for
utah? I just see loss after loss and losing bowless season after losing bowless
@ Duckhunter: And what byu needs is a real conference. I would say
good luck with that one, but we all know that's not going to happen.
@stringer bellAnd what utah needs to pick up is actual victories,
not moral victories. Good luck with that one.
Re: Jarvis "I would love to see both Hill and Williams pick up some
hardware this year."What Hill needs to pick up is first downs
with his arm, not his legs. Good luck with that one.
These lists are about players who are expected to do great things. USU and BYU
are trending much higher than Utah is and a lot of it has to do with the
competitiveness of the teams they field. Utah on the other hand has disappeared
from the national radar with just the Stanford blip as its only sighting.I would love to see both Hill and Williams pick up some hardware this
School / # of Players / # of Listsutah / 3 / 7byu / 10 /
19USU / 7 / 15I guess these lists don't take into
account a power conference? LOL