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Watch list roundup: 22 local players named candidates for 2014 college football awards

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  • sammyg Springville, UT
    July 23, 2014 6:11 a.m.

    DuckOutta

    Your bias is showing.

    You fail to recognize that with past achievements BYU already has a 'respectable national reputation'. Though a 'dusting off' might be warranted it doesn't change historical fact. This is what irritates Ute fans. Bronco has done a very respectable job since taking over but granted much is to be done on bigger stages. BYU still garners much more national media attention than the local Utah commuter school as evidenced by these pre-season lists... each year. An ESPN contract also bodes well nationally for BYU.

    The Utes 2 season accomplishments were to Urban Meyer's credit and they have not garnered the Utes that 'respectable national reputation' you so refer to, it has gotten them to a PAC12 level but we know the story from there... a continuing down trend and Whit's job is on the line.

    Both teams have upside potential, BYU more so than the Utes, as this challenge to get a conference affiliation or scheduling agreement plays out is more of a story than the Utes trying to get bowl eligible at 7th place.

    All of which... most "Ute" fans who supposedly 'moved on' are... obsessed with.

  • Eddie Syracuse, UT
    July 22, 2014 7:29 a.m.

    @CDM1525

    So, let me get this straight. BYU pretty much own Oklahoma and Texas given their record against them, so that means that Utah would win the Big 12 every year. Hummmmmmm, I wonder why they are the Pac 12 bottom feeders?

  • DuckOuttaWater SLC , UT
    July 21, 2014 4:02 p.m.

    Meckofahess:
    As a Mormon who just moved from Oregon I have to say that BYU's reputation could use some dusting off right now. No one outside the LDS community really cares about them because they haven't made a name for themselves like they did in the 80s and 90s, whereas Utah has beaten the best on the brightest stages. I would like to see BYU succeed but they have to start winning the big games if they want the "respectable national reputation" you speak of.

  • Meckofahess Salt Lake City, UT
    July 21, 2014 3:10 p.m.

    Oh how I love this pre-season hype!. It means that good ole college football is getting closer - hoorah! I think this is going to be a good year for BYU which will only boost their already respectable national reputation. If Utah has another bad year I think you can say Adios to Coach Whit. Seems like BYU is headed in the right direction with their football program - Utes not so much. I hope Utah does not become a perennial bottom dweller in the PAC-12, that isn't good for football in the State of Utah. Glad the Aggies seem to be doing well, hope to see that continue too - Go Ags!. So all you Ute, Ag and Coug fans keep up the hype talk - I am so ready for that opening kickoff to arrive!

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    July 21, 2014 12:24 p.m.

    CDM1525

    BYU fans can talk trash because the Utes have been such pathetic bottom feeders since joining the PAC that Utah's little four-in-a-row run, with three games decided by 1, 3 and 7 points is the only thing the Utes have to brag about.

    While BYU is looking forward to their 10th straight bowl, something that's never happened on the hill, the Utes are looking forward to polishing another SOS trophy.

  • CDM1525 West Point, UT
    July 21, 2014 12:04 p.m.

    It's not that utah places so much emphasis on one game, it's just pathetic how a team that cannot even beat two bottom feeders can talk trash on another team. Especially to a team that has beaten them four times in a row

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    July 21, 2014 10:33 a.m.

    CDM1525

    "What does that say about BYU?"

    It says that BYU doesn't base the success of their entire season on one game.

    While Utah fans are beating their chests about beating BYU, they're sitting at home on their couches during bowl week watching BYU play in another bowl.

    More evidence that the Utes would rather beat BYU than play in a bowl.

    In a strange way, it's sort of flattering for BYU that a P5 is so obsessed with an irrelevant, non-P5, that they still think of beating BYU as a red badge of courage.

  • CDM1525 West Point, UT
    July 20, 2014 4:13 p.m.

    Oh wait, one more thing. BYU can't even beat the bottom feeders of ACC in Virginia. 2 bottom feeder programs, 2 losses.

  • CDM1525 West Point, UT
    July 20, 2014 1:41 p.m.

    Let me get this straight. Utah are the bottom feeders of the Pac12. They pretty much own BYU and have beaten them 4 times in a row? What does that say about BYU?

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    July 19, 2014 2:34 p.m.

    Utah County Utes

    "They take the previous season Stats into account, then they name who is on each preseason watch list @Steven S Jarvis. Which is a lot higher for BYU because they play weaker opponents week in and week out. Give BYU or Utah State a PAC 12 schedule and they would finish near the bottom also."

    Just another whiny excuse from the crimson-glasses wearing crowd.

    The Utes have never won a national individual award of any kind even when they were playing WAC and MWC schedules.

    The fact that few Utes are good enough to be on a national watch list is simply a reflection of how mediocre your program is. It has nothing to do with how tough your schedule is.

  • Common-Tator Saint Paul, MN
    July 19, 2014 12:34 p.m.

    Best of luck to all 20 of these athletes. I hope they're all incredibly successful.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    July 19, 2014 11:37 a.m.

    Why is our premier P5 Utes lagging behind?

    I was under the impression that P5 teams have better recruits than 'other' teams, thus more would be on these lists.

    Please explain this disparity.

  • DuckOuttaWater SLC , UT
    July 19, 2014 10:40 a.m.

    C'mon Utah. It's embarrassing that a PAC12 program doesn't have at least as many athletes on these lists as non P5 teams. I don't have a horse in this race (though I'm LDS so I follow BYU a lot) but the Utes have gotta start keeping QBs healthy and getting more talent. Watching Utah play my Ducks last year for instance: Utah hung close for awhile but eventually talent and depth overwhelmed them. Utah has to get more talent, and these lists portray that.

    Unlike some BYU fans want to pretend though, I along with many of my Duck fan friends like having Utah in the PAC12 and everything they bring. Given time they will be a good team and get the talent and depth they need. Oregon wasn't always a juggernaut either.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    July 19, 2014 12:02 a.m.

    KH

    "I guess head to head wins don't matter any more to BYU fans."

    LOL at your desperate attempt to deflect attention to head-to-head wins, when BYU doesn't even play Utah again until 2016?

    "It's who is the team with the most pre-season nomination awards."

    Here's a clue:

    In order to win a post-season national individual award, it helps to be included on a pre-season national watch list.

    Of course, this is a foreign concept to a program that's never won a national individual award of any kind.

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    State of the two programs:

    BYU wins and talks about their next bowl.

    Utah loses and whines about BYU's schedule.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 18, 2014 6:06 p.m.

    Utes will be limping through another football year. Dres should have transferred to the Cougs or Aggies.

    Weber may bowl before the utes do.

  • Jason R Sandy, UT
    July 18, 2014 5:25 p.m.

    I really feel bad for the utah offensive coordinators... they just don't have much talent to work with. I mean, 7 offensive coordinators in the last 7 years? Utes are the doormat of bottom feeders.

    The Utes are 1-15 against the PAC 12 opponents with winning records. 1-15!!! Keep holding that SOS trophy as high as you can because its the only trophy you'll be holding for decades. Strength of schedule doesn't do anything if you have a win percentage of .0625 against those teams. Haha .0625.

  • daver Provo, 00
    July 18, 2014 5:13 p.m.

    OK so here goes fan suicide, haha: As a lifelong Cougar fan, I will say that Taysom Hill has done nothing to show me he should be on any of those lists, other than maybe a hypothetical "Doak Walker Honorable Mention" watch list. Apparently, I'm not the only one to say he hasn't proven himself as a QB. RB? Maybe. QB? No.

    For other opinions, I cite another website (Vanquish the Foe) title, "The Woeful State of BYU Passing."

    An interesting cable show last night featured Cam Newton and Colin Kaepernick as only the 14th and 15th-best NFL QB's, respectively. Why? I paraphrase: because instinctive running QB's as a rule, never quite develop and fine-tune their accuracy.

    I truly HOPE (cause the program's survival may depend on it) Taysom defies the odds and learns to master the pocket the way Steve (Young) did.

  • 17-14 Hurts Don't It? Springville, UT
    July 18, 2014 4:49 p.m.

    Ifel

    You nailed it!

    USU TWICE as many players recognized as Utah!
    BYU 3x as many players recognized as the Utes!

    Poor Utes... a diminishing trend 4-5, 3-6, 2-5 since joining the PAC10. Bowl-less 2x. What's a Ute fan to say or do?

    At least there are two teams to get excited about this year.

    Go Aggies, Go BYU!

  • KH Holladay, UT
    July 18, 2014 3:20 p.m.

    I guess head to head wins don't matter any more to byu fans. It's who is the team with the most pre-season nomination awards.

  • Cletus from Coalville Coalville, UT
    July 18, 2014 1:42 p.m.

    And what we need to pick up is a bowl game, not watching byu play on tv during the holidays instead. We will have good luck with that one for sure this year just you wait and see.

    Go write it down!

  • Ute Fan In Utah County Spanish Fork, UT
    July 18, 2014 12:30 p.m.

    They take the previous season Stats into account, then they name who is on each preseason watch list @Steven S Jarvis. Which is a lot higher for BYU because they play weaker opponents week in and week out. Give BYU or Utah State a PAC 12 schedule and they would finish near the bottom also.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    July 18, 2014 12:12 p.m.

    Steven S Jarvis:

    "These lists are about players who are expected to do great things"

    Utah players just do great things. Just look at the number of Utah players in the NFL compared to byU - 30 for Utah, 9 for byU. 17 for USU, BTW. Even little brother up north is putting Bronco and crew to shame.

    The only players that will be picking up hardware from that list are Chucky and Dres.

    Go Utes!!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 18, 2014 11:44 a.m.

    @argofy

    And how is that "real conference" working out for utah? I just see loss after loss and losing bowless season after losing bowless season. lol

  • ArgoFY Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 18, 2014 11:25 a.m.

    @ Duckhunter:

    And what byu needs is a real conference. I would say good luck with that one, but we all know that's not going to happen.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 18, 2014 11:02 a.m.

    @stringer bell

    And what utah needs to pick up is actual victories, not moral victories. Good luck with that one.

  • Stringer Bell Henderson, NV
    July 18, 2014 10:17 a.m.

    Re: Jarvis "I would love to see both Hill and Williams pick up some hardware this year."

    What Hill needs to pick up is first downs with his arm, not his legs. Good luck with that one.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    July 18, 2014 10:05 a.m.

    These lists are about players who are expected to do great things. USU and BYU are trending much higher than Utah is and a lot of it has to do with the competitiveness of the teams they field. Utah on the other hand has disappeared from the national radar with just the Stanford blip as its only sighting.

    I would love to see both Hill and Williams pick up some hardware this year.

  • Ifel Of'a-sofa Alpine, Utah
    July 18, 2014 9:42 a.m.

    School / # of Players / # of Lists

    utah / 3 / 7

    byu / 10 / 19

    USU / 7 / 15

    I guess these lists don't take into account a power conference? LOL