@Alfred:"As for breaking the law... creating new law may not be
breaking the law but it is contrary to the powers vested in the president who is
to 'take care that the laws are faithfully executed' (Article II
Section 3)."I think you'll find that many presidents...
including Dubya and Bill used Executive Orders extensively to tweak laws that
Congress passed. Congress can't include in every law they pass, all the
details to make the law efficient. That's where Executive Orders come in.
But they can be overdone as we see Obama has done."Wait a
minute... Are you saying Obama was a foreign student at Columbia?"Looks to be, per his student body card... that can be seen on the internet (of
which I have a file copy). Has a pic and a card #."If he is a
'natural born citizen' which the US Constitution requires of those who
would be president..."Perhaps he wasn't.
@wrz:"I don't see where he's broken any laws. Registering at
Columbia as a foreign student is not breaking any laws that I can think
of."Wait a minute... Are you saying Obama was a foreign student
at Columbia? If he is a 'natural born citizen' which the US
Constitution requires of those who would be president, he wouldn't need to
register as a foreign student. I think you need to check your facts.As for breaking the law... creating new law may not be breaking the law but it
is contrary to the powers vested in the president who is to 'take care that
the laws are faithfully executed' (Article II Section 3). There is noting
in the law that allows the president to provide amnesty to illegals.
Doesn't matter how they got here, how long they've been here, or how
old they were.
@steamroller:"Mountanman....exactly what laws has he broken? Be
specific."I don't see where he's broken any laws.
Registering at Columbia as a foreign student is not breaking any laws that I can
think of.But, he has ignored several laws, though. Specifically,
enforcing laws dealing with immigration, including E-verify.And
he's also making laws such as the DACA (Deferred Action of Childhood
Arrivals) memo he recently signed which calls for deferred action for certain
undocumented young people who came to the U.S. as children. Congress had
nothing to do with this action.@Atlas Smashed:"The GOP
needs to take attention off a recovering economy..."At the rate
of the current recovery it will take another ten or so years to get fully
recovered. And what Obama doesn't seem to understand is, if he'd stop
the illegal immigration in its tracks the US unemployment would drop
precipitously which would speed recovery. But, alas, he is more concerned with
garnering democrat votes via Hispanics who he's letting in this country by
To All that Hate Obama,Your hatred for President Obama proves your
failure to wake up during the Bush years. The 400 plus scandals and constitution
violations was a big joke for you as Bush leans over the podium and says "I
don't see what the problem is? They are just doing jobs Americans
don't want."Your new found love for Snowden proves how asleep you
was when Homeland Security and PATRIOT Act was enacted! Now we have the huge
illegal invasion from the south and YOU ALL scream and point fingers but you are
also the same people who support this invasion during the Bush years as a
humanitarian and profited from the glut of cheap labor. If you blame
Obama than look in the mirror and blame yourself!
ordinaryfolksReferring to the House of Representatives as the "House
of Koch", but not the Senate as the "House of Soros" or "House
of Steyer" or "House of Unions", since the Koch bothers are only
number 59 in political contributions with Democrat donating unions taking 6 of
the top ten spots (and 18 spots above Koch), undermines all credibility.
Particularly with allegations from the left who claim corporations are not
people, but unions are (when both have freedom of speech) BTW:
Recent polls indicate a full one third of the US supports impeachment of Obama;
which is comparable to the demands for Bush impeachment. So if they are
"rabid right wing" - then a full third of America must also be
"rabid left-wing" or else such statements should merely be discounted
as hypocritical and hystrionic. steamrollerQuoting Sally Kohn, who is known for her extremism and silly statements
(i.e."The i-word is unamerican"), is not a credible source for accusing
anyone else of being "nuts". Might as well have quoted Justin Beiber.
The House has voted to repeal the ACA 47 times. Now they are going to sue the
president for delaying the implementation of part of that law that they hate so
much? If before a court-ordered review board of psychiatrists they would be
committed for insanity.
@Nate - Well said! There are constitutional remedies for an out-of-control
President. Unfortunately, this time they haven't worked. The
power of the purse was ineffective in a Budget standoff, because the President
chose to reallocate dollars from essential services to fund trivialities. He
made sure that the American people felt the maximum pain possible. Fiscal
responsibility ended in defeat.Pres. Obama cannot be removed from
office, because he is protected by an irresponsible Senate who don't take
their oath seriously. Now if the Democrats were to lose control of the Senate,
then impeachment could finally be an option.Personally, I don't
want to see Pres. Obama impeached. I just want him to back off from ruling like
a dictator. If we survive this Presidency, this will leave a precedent that
might allow the next President to destroy our liberty completely.
2 bitsYou seem to feel that the desire of then Speaker Pelosi to
investigate certain abuses by the President and Vice President is somehow
equivalent to the dog whistle of impeachment that the Republican Tea Party is
now pursuing.The Republican Tea Party is already conducting endless
investigations into a variety of issues, which may or may not hold value to the
good governance of the country. That is their prerogative, and the same sort of
prerogatives that Speaker Pelosi took in 2006. However, you fail to mention
that Speaker Pelosi only became Speaker in 2006. This means that President Bush
has 6 years of complacency in the House. Obama has had 2.I really
can not believe that the Republican Tea Party can not learn from history. The
Gingrich house impeachment of Clinton did not work out so well. And shutting
down the government has done little for the image of the Republican Tea Party.
I'm down with Boehner suing Obama just as long as we can finally send
Bush/Cheney to prison for their war crimes. Maybe they could share a cell with
Shurtleff and Swallow?So repubs, do we have a deal?
Hasn't Obama threatened law suits as well?
Yes, it has a great deal of value.It is a clear illustration of the
idiocy of the leadership in our stalemated mess that is a totally nonfunctional
The president's constitutional duty is to "take Care that the Laws be
faithfully executed." He is not given power to rewrite the laws, or to
ignore them.The Constitution also provides Congress with remedies
for a lawless president: the power of the purse, and impeachment.Unfortunately, Boehner hasn't shown an inclination to use constitutional
remedies. This lawsuit is not likely to be very effective.
Hilarious. Speaker Boehner is suing the President for delaying implementation of
a provision of Obamacare, a bill Boehner despises. This is exactly as though the
Miami Heat were to sue LeBron James to make him play for Cleveland sooner.
The lawsuit has merit but this POTUS should be impeached and removed from office
for breaking the law, lying to promote his re-election and political agenda, and
Millions of dollars in campaign contributions is it's value. Did you mean to ask if it has merit?
@FT,What was the Democrat strategy from the day Bush took office?2000 - Democrats angry at the closeness of Bush's election promised to
block ANYTHING he proposed.2006 - Nancy Pelosi got on TV and
promised to roll back everything he got his first term, and tie up Congress in
continual investigations, funding battles, impeachment, etc.Google
"Confident Democrats Lay Out Agenda"... (Washington Post May 7 2006)."House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) said in an interview
last week that a Democratic House would launch a series of investigations of the
Bush administration, beginning with the White House's first-term energy
task force and probably including the use of intelligence in the run-up to the
invasion of Iraq. Pelosi denied Republican allegations that a Democratic House
would move quickly to impeach President Bush. But, she said of the planned
investigations, "You never know where it leads to."Do you
remember NONE of this? Google it... read the whole article... they promised to
roll back everything he did in his first term and block ANYTHING he tried to do
this term.What goes around comes around. Democrats are just
getting payback... and whining.
Sure -- Right after we sue Bush/Cheney for their pillaging and
procuradorfiscalJust which Democratic House Speaker aided and
abetted the fringes of his/her party to indict, press a suit, impeach or in any
way file charges against Bush? Crickets, me thinks. Your position is untenable, and you present us a false equivalency. The
Speaker of the House, Mr Boehner, is the highest elected official who bears the
initials G.O.P.. after his name and title. As such he ought to adhere to a
higher standard than satisfying the kook fringe of his party. Unfortunately for
the American public, we are now about to be subjected to an endless
pseudo-scandal that will deliver absolutely nothing to the base, to the public
in general, or to the ideals of good governance because this man is a witless
wonder. And this is the highest elected official that the Republican/Tea Party
has given us. A higher power is needed to save us and our country.
It's a publicity stunt mostly though they did pick something that they at
least have a long-shot bid with. However... what if they win? Okay all that
happens is that the employer mandate for Obamacare goes into effect immediately,
something the Republicans don't even want.
The GOP needs to take attention off a recovering economy and successful
Obamacare.So if this impeachment nonsense distracts enough people,
then yes, it will have value.
Re: "Suing a sitting President is just another incredibly dumb idea, that
could only come from top-level Republican strategists."You mean
people like Dennis Kucinich? He sued both sitting Presidents Bush and Obama over
his unhinged aversion to war. Other Democrat iconoclasts also filed lawsuits
that were quickly dismissed. High-level Congressional Dems, including John
Conyers, Keith Ellison, Jerrold Nadler, and Cynthia McKinney also made a run at
impeaching President Bush. Nancy Pelosi indicated she would support the move, if
only she weren't in Congress.Top-level Republican strategists
are certainly not the only incredibly dumb denizens of the la-la-Land inside the
Washington Beltway -- they've got plenty of Democrat company.
It holds political value, nothing else. The GOP strategy since day one has been
to run out the clock. This is just another tactic. We all see the picture quite
clearly of Senator Nero (aka Boehner) playing his fiddle while our great country
@ GaryO,Re: "It underscores the FACT that Republicans leaders
are inclined to invent hare-brained schemes, most of which will come back to
harm America and Americans"...So... do similar hare-brained
schemes DEMOCRATS tried during the Bush administration say the same thing about
them? Or is it only when Republicans do it???You never know...
SOME people's partisan-blinders work that way you know.Like
when several Democrats wrote up Articles of Impeachment for President Bush...
and submitted them, and actually got enough support to bring it up for a
vote!Is that not a similar thing? So.. does it not say the same
about Democrats? Or are your blinders on today?
This isn't going to go anywhere. Our country has too many pressing issues
and no time for this garbage.
Hey Anti Bush Obama -So . . . Boehner "is too much of an
establishment neocon to do anything really damaging."Great Point
!!After all, the ability to inflict damage is the greatest measure
of worth for Republicans in Congress, isn't it?And our
Tea-Party-infested Congress has shown us just how much damage they can do to
America and Americans.And that's EXACTLY what we should
expect.After all, when you elect anti-government zealots into
positions of government power, you can't really expect them to govern in
any way beneficial to the nation. Doing so would negate the very premise that
ran on . . . That government is inherently bad.
"Does the lawsuit against Obama have any value?"Absolutely,
it has value.It underscores the FACT that Republicans leaders are
inclined to invent hare-brained schemes, most of which will come back to harm
America and Americans.This is just the latest in a long list.Some noteworthy Republican schemes:Reagonomics - Reducing
taxes for the highest earners, thus reducing revenue from what it otherwise
would be, and making America a major debtor nation, while doing nothing to
create jobs.Making a Federal case out of Democratic President's
sexual indiscretions, instead of focusing on important issues, like
Terrorism.Failing to pay attention to terrorist activities that
culminated in 911, and then attacking a nation that didn't attack us first
in order to institute a plan of "nation building," and killing 4,000
Americans and 100,000 Iraqis in the process, thereby creating thousands of
terrorists dedicated to our destruction, while wasting trillions of dollars, and
destabilizing the Middle East for years to come.Suing a sitting
President is just another incredibly dumb idea, that could only come from
top-level Republican strategists.
If there is sufficient evidence to sue Obama and make him stop doing certain
things or to make sure he does other things, then there is sufficient evidence
for impeachment.I wish that Congress has the moral strength to
actually go through with impeachment proceedings.
All this impeachment talk is just a typical faux news gimmick designed to excite
the low information tea party rubes.
If it's being filed by Boehner, It has no value. He is too much of a
establishment neocon to do anything really damaging.
"spend enormous amounts of time and talent whining over things like global
warming, abortion rights, and detainees at Guantanamo, while ignoring the
invasion from Latin America, jobs and the economy, and, most scary -- the
imperial, lame-duck Obama presidency."Unless the discussion is
about Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, or Defense spending, we are ignoring
the dollars and watching the pennies closely.Make our politicians
focus on the real issues.
No... it's a publicity stunt. They happen in politics ALL THE TIME.
Obama has broken several laws! Someone needs to hold him accountable, period!
Saying that, I know that I risk being presecuted by the IRS, Obama's
disagreement punishment agency!
Re: ". . . the Republican Tea Party is going to engage in more histrionics
to distract the public from real problems confronting the country."Unfortunately, liberals have completely lost the bubble on the real problems
confronting the country.They're so out-of-touch, they spend
enormous amounts of time and talent whining over things like global warming,
abortion rights, and detainees at Guantanamo, while ignoring the invasion from
Latin America, jobs and the economy, and, most scary -- the imperial, lame-duck
Obama presidency.Real people, real Americans, are really concerned
about America's real problems. We're not particularly interested in
the "crises" bouncing off the walls of that vast liberal echo chamber
inside the Washington beltway.
Sadly, it appears that the Republican Tea Party is going to engage in more
histrionics to distract the public from real problems confronting the country.
This talk of lawsuits and impeachment does nothing for the average citizen. It
serves only to gin up the mania of the rabid right wing.What a way
to govern the country and the "Peoples house" as the US House of
Representatives used to be known. It ought to be renamed the "House of
Koch" or any other billionaire right winger.