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  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    July 21, 2014 10:28 p.m.

    @Alfred:
    "As for breaking the law... creating new law may not be breaking the law but it is contrary to the powers vested in the president who is to 'take care that the laws are faithfully executed' (Article II Section 3)."

    I think you'll find that many presidents... including Dubya and Bill used Executive Orders extensively to tweak laws that Congress passed. Congress can't include in every law they pass, all the details to make the law efficient. That's where Executive Orders come in. But they can be overdone as we see Obama has done.

    "Wait a minute... Are you saying Obama was a foreign student at Columbia?"

    Looks to be, per his student body card... that can be seen on the internet (of which I have a file copy). Has a pic and a card #.

    "If he is a 'natural born citizen' which the US Constitution requires of those who would be president..."

    Perhaps he wasn't.

  • Alfred Phoenix, AZ
    July 21, 2014 7:30 p.m.

    @wrz:
    "I don't see where he's broken any laws. Registering at Columbia as a foreign student is not breaking any laws that I can think of."

    Wait a minute... Are you saying Obama was a foreign student at Columbia? If he is a 'natural born citizen' which the US Constitution requires of those who would be president, he wouldn't need to register as a foreign student. I think you need to check your facts.

    As for breaking the law... creating new law may not be breaking the law but it is contrary to the powers vested in the president who is to 'take care that the laws are faithfully executed' (Article II Section 3). There is noting in the law that allows the president to provide amnesty to illegals. Doesn't matter how they got here, how long they've been here, or how old they were.

  • wrz Phoenix, AZ
    July 21, 2014 4:07 p.m.

    @steamroller:
    "Mountanman....exactly what laws has he broken? Be specific."

    I don't see where he's broken any laws. Registering at Columbia as a foreign student is not breaking any laws that I can think of.

    But, he has ignored several laws, though. Specifically, enforcing laws dealing with immigration, including E-verify.

    And he's also making laws such as the DACA (Deferred Action of Childhood Arrivals) memo he recently signed which calls for deferred action for certain undocumented young people who came to the U.S. as children. Congress had nothing to do with this action.

    @Atlas Smashed:
    "The GOP needs to take attention off a recovering economy..."

    At the rate of the current recovery it will take another ten or so years to get fully recovered. And what Obama doesn't seem to understand is, if he'd stop the illegal immigration in its tracks the US unemployment would drop precipitously which would speed recovery. But, alas, he is more concerned with garnering democrat votes via Hispanics who he's letting in this country by the droves.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    July 19, 2014 8:56 a.m.

    To All that Hate Obama,

    Your hatred for President Obama proves your failure to wake up during the Bush years. The 400 plus scandals and constitution violations was a big joke for you as Bush leans over the podium and says "I don't see what the problem is? They are just doing jobs Americans don't want."
    Your new found love for Snowden proves how asleep you was when Homeland Security and PATRIOT Act was enacted! Now we have the huge illegal invasion from the south and YOU ALL scream and point fingers but you are also the same people who support this invasion during the Bush years as a humanitarian and profited from the glut of cheap labor.

    If you blame Obama than look in the mirror and blame yourself!

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2014 10:54 p.m.

    ordinaryfolks
    Referring to the House of Representatives as the "House of Koch", but not the Senate as the "House of Soros" or "House of Steyer" or "House of Unions", since the Koch bothers are only number 59 in political contributions with Democrat donating unions taking 6 of the top ten spots (and 18 spots above Koch), undermines all credibility. Particularly with allegations from the left who claim corporations are not people, but unions are (when both have freedom of speech)

    BTW: Recent polls indicate a full one third of the US supports impeachment of Obama; which is comparable to the demands for Bush impeachment. So if they are "rabid right wing" - then a full third of America must also be "rabid left-wing" or else such statements should merely be discounted as hypocritical and hystrionic.



    steamroller
    Quoting Sally Kohn, who is known for her extremism and silly statements (i.e."The i-word is unamerican"), is not a credible source for accusing anyone else of being "nuts". Might as well have quoted Justin Beiber.

  • nonceleb Salt Lake City, UT
    July 18, 2014 12:35 a.m.

    The House has voted to repeal the ACA 47 times. Now they are going to sue the president for delaying the implementation of part of that law that they hate so much? If before a court-ordered review board of psychiatrists they would be committed for insanity.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    July 17, 2014 9:44 p.m.

    No.

  • gmlewis Houston, TX
    July 17, 2014 8:51 p.m.

    @Nate - Well said! There are constitutional remedies for an out-of-control President. Unfortunately, this time they haven't worked.

    The power of the purse was ineffective in a Budget standoff, because the President chose to reallocate dollars from essential services to fund trivialities. He made sure that the American people felt the maximum pain possible. Fiscal responsibility ended in defeat.

    Pres. Obama cannot be removed from office, because he is protected by an irresponsible Senate who don't take their oath seriously. Now if the Democrats were to lose control of the Senate, then impeachment could finally be an option.

    Personally, I don't want to see Pres. Obama impeached. I just want him to back off from ruling like a dictator. If we survive this Presidency, this will leave a precedent that might allow the next President to destroy our liberty completely.

  • ordinaryfolks seattle, WA
    July 17, 2014 8:49 p.m.

    2 bits

    You seem to feel that the desire of then Speaker Pelosi to investigate certain abuses by the President and Vice President is somehow equivalent to the dog whistle of impeachment that the Republican Tea Party is now pursuing.

    The Republican Tea Party is already conducting endless investigations into a variety of issues, which may or may not hold value to the good governance of the country. That is their prerogative, and the same sort of prerogatives that Speaker Pelosi took in 2006. However, you fail to mention that Speaker Pelosi only became Speaker in 2006. This means that President Bush has 6 years of complacency in the House. Obama has had 2.

    I really can not believe that the Republican Tea Party can not learn from history. The Gingrich house impeachment of Clinton did not work out so well. And shutting down the government has done little for the image of the Republican Tea Party.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    July 17, 2014 8:01 p.m.

    I'm down with Boehner suing Obama just as long as we can finally send Bush/Cheney to prison for their war crimes. Maybe they could share a cell with Shurtleff and Swallow?

    So repubs, do we have a deal?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 17, 2014 6:39 p.m.

    Hasn't Obama threatened law suits as well?

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    July 17, 2014 6:33 p.m.

    Yes, it has a great deal of value.

    It is a clear illustration of the idiocy of the leadership in our stalemated mess that is a totally nonfunctional Congress.

  • Nate Pleasant Grove, UT
    July 17, 2014 5:49 p.m.

    The president's constitutional duty is to "take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed." He is not given power to rewrite the laws, or to ignore them.

    The Constitution also provides Congress with remedies for a lawless president: the power of the purse, and impeachment.

    Unfortunately, Boehner hasn't shown an inclination to use constitutional remedies. This lawsuit is not likely to be very effective.

  • E Sam Provo, UT
    July 17, 2014 5:25 p.m.

    Hilarious. Speaker Boehner is suing the President for delaying implementation of a provision of Obamacare, a bill Boehner despises. This is exactly as though the Miami Heat were to sue LeBron James to make him play for Cleveland sooner.

  • IMAPatriot2 PLEASANT GROVE, UT
    July 17, 2014 5:04 p.m.

    The lawsuit has merit but this POTUS should be impeached and removed from office for breaking the law, lying to promote his re-election and political agenda, and for incompetence.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    July 17, 2014 4:28 p.m.

    Millions of dollars in campaign contributions is it's value.

    Did you mean to ask if it has merit?

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 17, 2014 4:05 p.m.

    @FT,
    What was the Democrat strategy from the day Bush took office?

    2000 - Democrats angry at the closeness of Bush's election promised to block ANYTHING he proposed.

    2006 - Nancy Pelosi got on TV and promised to roll back everything he got his first term, and tie up Congress in continual investigations, funding battles, impeachment, etc.

    Google "Confident Democrats Lay Out Agenda"... (Washington Post May 7 2006).

    "House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) said in an interview last week that a Democratic House would launch a series of investigations of the Bush administration, beginning with the White House's first-term energy task force and probably including the use of intelligence in the run-up to the invasion of Iraq. Pelosi denied Republican allegations that a Democratic House would move quickly to impeach President Bush. But, she said of the planned investigations, "You never know where it leads to."

    Do you remember NONE of this? Google it... read the whole article... they promised to roll back everything he did in his first term and block ANYTHING he tried to do this term.

    What goes around comes around. Democrats are just getting payback... and whining.

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    July 17, 2014 3:30 p.m.

    Sure --

    Right after we sue Bush/Cheney for their pillaging and plundering!

  • ordinaryfolks seattle, WA
    July 17, 2014 2:58 p.m.

    procuradorfiscal

    Just which Democratic House Speaker aided and abetted the fringes of his/her party to indict, press a suit, impeach or in any way file charges against Bush?

    Crickets, me thinks.

    Your position is untenable, and you present us a false equivalency. The Speaker of the House, Mr Boehner, is the highest elected official who bears the initials G.O.P.. after his name and title. As such he ought to adhere to a higher standard than satisfying the kook fringe of his party. Unfortunately for the American public, we are now about to be subjected to an endless pseudo-scandal that will deliver absolutely nothing to the base, to the public in general, or to the ideals of good governance because this man is a witless wonder. And this is the highest elected official that the Republican/Tea Party has given us. A higher power is needed to save us and our country.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2014 1:47 p.m.

    It's a publicity stunt mostly though they did pick something that they at least have a long-shot bid with. However... what if they win? Okay all that happens is that the employer mandate for Obamacare goes into effect immediately, something the Republicans don't even want.

  • Atlas Smashed Santa Monica, CA
    July 17, 2014 1:29 p.m.

    The GOP needs to take attention off a recovering economy and successful Obamacare.

    So if this impeachment nonsense distracts enough people, then yes, it will have value.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    July 17, 2014 1:21 p.m.

    Re: "Suing a sitting President is just another incredibly dumb idea, that could only come from top-level Republican strategists."

    You mean people like Dennis Kucinich? He sued both sitting Presidents Bush and Obama over his unhinged aversion to war. Other Democrat iconoclasts also filed lawsuits that were quickly dismissed. High-level Congressional Dems, including John Conyers, Keith Ellison, Jerrold Nadler, and Cynthia McKinney also made a run at impeaching President Bush. Nancy Pelosi indicated she would support the move, if only she weren't in Congress.

    Top-level Republican strategists are certainly not the only incredibly dumb denizens of the la-la-Land inside the Washington Beltway -- they've got plenty of Democrat company.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    July 17, 2014 1:06 p.m.

    It holds political value, nothing else. The GOP strategy since day one has been to run out the clock. This is just another tactic. We all see the picture quite clearly of Senator Nero (aka Boehner) playing his fiddle while our great country burns.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 17, 2014 12:54 p.m.

    @ GaryO,

    Re: "It underscores the FACT that Republicans leaders are inclined to invent hare-brained schemes, most of which will come back to harm America and Americans"...

    So... do similar hare-brained schemes DEMOCRATS tried during the Bush administration say the same thing about them? Or is it only when Republicans do it???

    You never know... SOME people's partisan-blinders work that way you know.

    Like when several Democrats wrote up Articles of Impeachment for President Bush... and submitted them, and actually got enough support to bring it up for a vote!

    Is that not a similar thing? So.. does it not say the same about Democrats? Or are your blinders on today?

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    July 17, 2014 12:35 p.m.

    This isn't going to go anywhere. Our country has too many pressing issues and no time for this garbage.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    July 17, 2014 12:24 p.m.

    Hey Anti Bush Obama -

    So . . . Boehner "is too much of an establishment neocon to do anything really damaging."

    Great Point !!

    After all, the ability to inflict damage is the greatest measure of worth for Republicans in Congress, isn't it?

    And our Tea-Party-infested Congress has shown us just how much damage they can do to America and Americans.

    And that's EXACTLY what we should expect.

    After all, when you elect anti-government zealots into positions of government power, you can't really expect them to govern in any way beneficial to the nation. Doing so would negate the very premise that ran on . . . That government is inherently bad.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    July 17, 2014 12:16 p.m.

    "Does the lawsuit against Obama have any value?"

    Absolutely, it has value.

    It underscores the FACT that Republicans leaders are inclined to invent hare-brained schemes, most of which will come back to harm America and Americans.

    This is just the latest in a long list.

    Some noteworthy Republican schemes:

    Reagonomics - Reducing taxes for the highest earners, thus reducing revenue from what it otherwise would be, and making America a major debtor nation, while doing nothing to create jobs.

    Making a Federal case out of Democratic President's sexual indiscretions, instead of focusing on important issues, like Terrorism.

    Failing to pay attention to terrorist activities that culminated in 911, and then attacking a nation that didn't attack us first in order to institute a plan of "nation building," and killing 4,000 Americans and 100,000 Iraqis in the process, thereby creating thousands of terrorists dedicated to our destruction, while wasting trillions of dollars, and destabilizing the Middle East for years to come.

    Suing a sitting President is just another incredibly dumb idea, that could only come from top-level Republican strategists.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    July 17, 2014 12:09 p.m.

    If there is sufficient evidence to sue Obama and make him stop doing certain things or to make sure he does other things, then there is sufficient evidence for impeachment.

    I wish that Congress has the moral strength to actually go through with impeachment proceedings.

  • Whatever Springville, UT
    July 17, 2014 11:35 a.m.

    All this impeachment talk is just a typical faux news gimmick designed to excite the low information tea party rubes.

  • Anti Bush-Obama Chihuahua, 00
    July 17, 2014 11:30 a.m.

    If it's being filed by Boehner, It has no value. He is too much of a establishment neocon to do anything really damaging.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    July 17, 2014 11:12 a.m.

    "spend enormous amounts of time and talent whining over things like global warming, abortion rights, and detainees at Guantanamo, while ignoring the invasion from Latin America, jobs and the economy, and, most scary -- the imperial, lame-duck Obama presidency."

    Unless the discussion is about Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, or Defense spending, we are ignoring the dollars and watching the pennies closely.

    Make our politicians focus on the real issues.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 17, 2014 10:18 a.m.

    No... it's a publicity stunt. They happen in politics ALL THE TIME.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    July 17, 2014 10:16 a.m.

    Obama has broken several laws! Someone needs to hold him accountable, period! Saying that, I know that I risk being presecuted by the IRS, Obama's disagreement punishment agency!

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    July 17, 2014 10:14 a.m.

    Re: ". . . the Republican Tea Party is going to engage in more histrionics to distract the public from real problems confronting the country."

    Unfortunately, liberals have completely lost the bubble on the real problems confronting the country.

    They're so out-of-touch, they spend enormous amounts of time and talent whining over things like global warming, abortion rights, and detainees at Guantanamo, while ignoring the invasion from Latin America, jobs and the economy, and, most scary -- the imperial, lame-duck Obama presidency.

    Real people, real Americans, are really concerned about America's real problems. We're not particularly interested in the "crises" bouncing off the walls of that vast liberal echo chamber inside the Washington beltway.

  • ordinaryfolks seattle, WA
    July 17, 2014 9:59 a.m.

    Sadly, it appears that the Republican Tea Party is going to engage in more histrionics to distract the public from real problems confronting the country. This talk of lawsuits and impeachment does nothing for the average citizen. It serves only to gin up the mania of the rabid right wing.

    What a way to govern the country and the "Peoples house" as the US House of Representatives used to be known. It ought to be renamed the "House of Koch" or any other billionaire right winger.