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Published: Thursday, July 17 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

Agreed!

A "Corporation" is an entity,
without body, parts or passions.

It now has all the legal "rights" as a human being,
but it is NOT a human being.

It can break the law, even "murder to get gain",
but can not go to jail or be executed.

It can "manage and control" the Government,
but it can not vote per se, but it can "but" votes.

It can take the treasures of the earth,
and can buy up armies and navies,
and rule and reign with blood and horror.

I see the "birth" of the "Beast" mentioned in the Book of Revelations,
and the "Gadianton Robbers" mentioned in the Book of Mormon who serve it.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

Excellent piece by Roland! Completely shreds the activist Supreme Court!

I hope repubs are happy about what these activist judges have done. They've written legislation and overruled the will of the majority to completely redefine traditional corporation. Traditional corporation did not have religious views. It was a job. Now that repub activist judges have destroyed the traditional corporation, our society will greatly suffer.

Just look at the slippery slope! What happens if treating your cancer is against their view? What happens if bearing arms is against their view? What happens if marrying a woman and having kids is against their view? What happens if paying you a salary, giving you breaks, and a weekend is against their view?

Corporations were an institution which benefitted families. You worked, earned a salary, and had benefits.

Now, it appears as if a corporation is just a greedy entity that is made for narcissists who can cut your benefits and salary at a whim.

All thanks, to activist judges who overruled the will of the majority. Our country will only survive as long as traditional corporation exists.

ordinaryfolks
seattle, WA

A very good point.

Corporations don't have a conscience, and frankly most of their CEO's or directors do as well (in big corporate America).

If people understood the ways in which this notion of corporate personhood evolved, then they may not be so tricked by the legal legerdemain that our Supreme Court has foisted upon us. It is a sham, and we are all going to suffer for it.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Suppose you have a job and over the course of a few years, you receive raise after raise after raise. You go to the bank and get a loan to buy a house. The economy suffers. You take out bankruptcy. Do you lose your house? According to my lawyer friend who handles bankruptcies, you won't necessarily lose that home, even though you owe tens of thousands of dollars to the bank. Shouldn't you have to pay for that home? Not according to the law. The bank will lose, not you.

A corporation will lose its assets when it goes bankrupt, but it will not have to have its employees repay all of their wages to settle debts. The employees' wages are safe. It will not have to have the government refund all the taxes that the corporation paid. Taxes are safe. It will not have to have stock holders refund past dividends. The dividends are safe. The stockholders WILL lose the value of stock that they hold. Stock is not protected. The "owners" will lose their investment when the stock becomes worthless.

That sounds fair to me.

FT
salt lake city, UT

Corporations are the new kings and we it's servants.

SCfan
clearfield, UT

I hope you all realize that a corportion can be a one person entity, not just a multi national. So many of you anti corporate types (who by the way have a great life because of what many corporations have provided. But I digress) seem to see corporations as only huge multi national entities. American corporate law provided a good, legal, financial, protection to PEOPLE. That is why those laws have been enacted. It helps take away much risk that PEOPLE will lose everything if the corporation fails or gets sued. Otherwise PEOPLE would not risk investing and working and creating goods, services, and wealth for our nation. Like I said, many of these corporations, run by PEOPLE, have provided most of you with things in life that would never have happened if not for the American corporate law structure, which gives PEOPLE, the ability to do so. And so many on the left seem to want to boogie man American coroporations. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. Corporations are PEOPLE, every bit as much as unions, political parties, universities, ect. are PEOPLE.

Atlas Smashed
Santa Monica, CA

I don't think that non-elected judges should have the right to draft legislation and change the definition of a corporation. If Roberts wants to do that then he should campaign, become elected, and pass new legislation through the defined process.

@Mike Richards

Where in the Constitution does it specifically state that "corporations are people"? If you cannot find a bill of rights for corporations then I'll let you in on a secret... They don't exist!

From what I see, the greatest threat to America isn't marriage. But the redefining of the Constitution to allow conservatives to invade whatever country they want, bail out whatever bank they want, subsidize whatever oil company they want, and empower corporations to hurt the American people in whatever way they want.

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

@The Real Maverick
Orem, UT
6:39 a.m. July 17, 2014

Just look at the slippery slope!

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Agreed!

Corporate "entities" are legally "People".
with full protection and Constitutional rights.

They exist for one thing, and one thing only -- PROFIT! [gain]
If they do not make Profit [gain] they Die,

So, now it's the Government's duty to protect a Corporations right to --
LIFE, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness.

Think about it --
Corporations now have "Free Speech" [bribery]
Corporations now have "Freedom of Religion".

Therefore --
Corporations now also have "the right of the CORPORATIONS to keep and bear ARMS, shall not be infringed."

BTW - Some these "corporations" build our Thermal Nuclear, Biological and Chemical weapons...think about it.

Corporations are now protected against "searches and seizures".

Courts and Juries by their "peers" -- i.e., OTHER Corporations and Businessmen, perhaps?

How about running for "Office", Imagine a Business "entity",
Because Business can always do things better than Government,
Why not run the Government efficiently -- as a Corporation, BY the Corporation, and FOR the Corporation!

It's like ever Republican's Fantasy DREAM come true...

One other thing,
Corporations DON'T even have to be Americans.....

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Mike - You still good with all this?

Ranch
Here, UT

It's called having your cake and your neighbor's too.

micawber
Centerville, UT

@Mike Richards,

If you take bankruptcy, you may claim a homestead exemption. In Utah, if that homestead includes a personal residence, you are entitled to a homestead exemption of up to $30,000. You must still pay your mortgage. The exemption differs by state.

Ranch
Here, UT

@SCfan;

A one-person owned corporation is still a corporation - specifically designed to separate the owner from the liabilities incurred by the corporation. If the corporation is the person, then the person should be liable for the debts and losses of said corporation.

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

I understand the rationale for corporations in that incorporation aids capital formation. As a Marxist, however, I wish we could understand that all relationships are social ones. That all exchanges and actions are between people. For example, if I work for Walmart and Walmart doesn't provide me with health insurance, it is not Walmart which denying me insurance, it is the Walton family - real people. Marx asks us to look past objects and legal forms to the social relations that are behind everything.

a bit of reality
Shawnee Mission, KS

I'll beleive that corporations are people as soon as Texas executes one.

jsf
Centerville, UT

What happens if treating your cancer is against their view? liberal Progressive view go home and take two aspirin.
What happens if bearing arms is against their view? liberal Progressive gun control
What happens if marrying a woman and having kids is against their view? liberal Progressive abortion and population control.
What happens if paying you a salary, giving you breaks, and a weekend is against their view? liberal Progressive state controlled corporations in communist countries like China and North Korea.

"Corporations were an institution which benefitted families." No corporations were created solely to benefit their shareholders, period. They use the management of resources to accomplish this goal for the benefit of their shareholders.

"Corporations are now protected against "searches and seizures". fear mongering at best they have less protections against this than individuals.

"I don't think that non-elected judges should have the right to draft legislation and change the definition" -- of marriage. Is that your opinion?

And Vancouver is a city in the southern end of Washington, the state you spent so much time before returning to Utah,across from Portland Oregon, ( because I hit my limit on the other thread.

jsf
Centerville, UT

"Corporations now have "Free Speech" Isn't that also called a newspaper, the ultimate corporate free speech. Should we tell these corporations they can not say anything? Is not advertising in a newspaper bribery in the sense advertising in a newspaper that supports your position and that newspaper uses its voice to influence the government to support your position.

Yes there are slippery slopes and liberals are sliding right on down them.

They don't like freedom of assembly, they don't like freedom of religion, they don't like armed opponents, they don't like equity of possibilities for everyone. They don't like resolving poverty, they want old people to die and go away, they are racist in they support planned parenthood whose very foundation was to eliminate poverty by eliminating the lower classes and minorities who they felt were racially impure. (Read Margaret Sangers works and publications)

jsf
Centerville, UT

"I'll beleive that corporations are people as soon as Texas executes one." a bit of reality

States and Texas also do execute corporations, by revoking their charters to operate. Happens all the time. So does this mean you believe they are people now.

Confused
Sandy, UT

Atlas Smashed
“I don't think that non-elected judges should have the right to draft legislation and change the definition of a corporation.”
But you don’t mind SCOTUS redefining Marriage, Right? Or the fact that Obama took the Commerce clause and changed it to push through Obama Care… and SCOTUS (Judge Roberts Specifically) allowed it.

Confused
Sandy, UT

Atlas Smashed
Part 2
“Where in the Constitution does it specifically state that "corporations are people"? If you cannot find a bill of rights for corporations then I'll let you in on a secret... They don't exist! “
Show me one place in the constitution that says there is a separation of Church and State? Nowhere! “Establish” does not mean Separate. In Fact show me where it says Marriage is a right.
Oh yea, SCOTUS had a ruling that say that. But that is ok because it goes along with you agenda…

But the redefining of the Constitution to allow conservatives to invade whatever country they want, bail out whatever bank they want, subsidize whatever oil company they want, and empower corporations to hurt the American people in whatever way they want.
But it ok for Obama to push the bailout of the Auto Industry from 17.6 billion to over 85 billion, because he deemed that it was wholly inadequate.
Or the fact that he violated the constitution with recess appointments, and allow all his policies to go into effect by department rules and regulations rather than go through Congress.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Roland,
For one... You're not on the Supreme Court. So what YOU think doesn't matter as much as what they think.

I think they understand the Constitution better than you do. So I'm going to trust THEM on this one.

Nobody said, "Corporations are people". So you can probably drop that strawman.

What they actually said is... Corporations have a right to express themselves and fight for their own self-interest. And part of that right to free speech includes a right donate to political campaigns, or even make commercials.

But nobody on the Supreme Court actually said they are people.

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I think corporations have a right to pursue their own self-interest. Some politicians would try to put them out of business... they have a right to fight AGAINST those politicians.

But people have rights corporations DON'T have. One of them is freedom of association. We don't have to go to their business or buy their products if we don't want to. We can go to ANY business we want (and stay away from any business we want).

Don't support the businesses you think are ruining our politics!

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Where would you anti-corporation people be without corporations? Would you build your own cars? Would you build your own appliances? Where would you shop for groceries, for clothes, for gas? Would you only go to home produced movies, concerts, and book readings? Would you only listen to neighborhood sponsored radio and TV? In Utah, where would you go to Church. Where would you bank?

Go ahead and tell us all about those "evil" corporations, the ones that you use everyday to do the things that you want to do and to buy the things that you want to own.

It seems quite hypocritical to me that you slam corporations even as you pass your dollars to them.

If you really believe what you're writing on this thread, you'll break off all contact with corporations. You divest yourself of anything that you own that comes from corporations. AFTER you've done that, then tell us what you think about those "evil" corporations.

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