Published: Thursday, July 17 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT
Agreed!A "Corporation" is an entity, without body,
parts or passions.It now has all the legal "rights" as a
human being, but it is NOT a human being.It can break the law,
even "murder to get gain", but can not go to jail or be
executed.It can "manage and control" the Government, but it can not vote per se, but it can "but" votes.It can
take the treasures of the earth, and can buy up armies and navies, and rule and reign with blood and horror.I see the "birth"
of the "Beast" mentioned in the Book of Revelations, and the
"Gadianton Robbers" mentioned in the Book of Mormon who serve it.
Excellent piece by Roland! Completely shreds the activist Supreme Court!I hope repubs are happy about what these activist judges have done.
They've written legislation and overruled the will of the majority to
completely redefine traditional corporation. Traditional corporation did not
have religious views. It was a job. Now that repub activist judges have
destroyed the traditional corporation, our society will greatly suffer. Just look at the slippery slope! What happens if treating your cancer is
against their view? What happens if bearing arms is against their view? What
happens if marrying a woman and having kids is against their view? What happens
if paying you a salary, giving you breaks, and a weekend is against their
view?Corporations were an institution which benefitted families. You
worked, earned a salary, and had benefits.Now, it appears as if a
corporation is just a greedy entity that is made for narcissists who can cut
your benefits and salary at a whim.All thanks, to activist judges
who overruled the will of the majority. Our country will only survive as long as
traditional corporation exists.
A very good point.Corporations don't have a conscience, and
frankly most of their CEO's or directors do as well (in big corporate
America). If people understood the ways in which this notion of
corporate personhood evolved, then they may not be so tricked by the legal
legerdemain that our Supreme Court has foisted upon us. It is a sham, and we
are all going to suffer for it.
Suppose you have a job and over the course of a few years, you receive raise
after raise after raise. You go to the bank and get a loan to buy a house. The
economy suffers. You take out bankruptcy. Do you lose your house? According
to my lawyer friend who handles bankruptcies, you won't necessarily lose
that home, even though you owe tens of thousands of dollars to the bank.
Shouldn't you have to pay for that home? Not according to the law. The
bank will lose, not you.A corporation will lose its assets when it
goes bankrupt, but it will not have to have its employees repay all of their
wages to settle debts. The employees' wages are safe. It will not have to
have the government refund all the taxes that the corporation paid. Taxes are
safe. It will not have to have stock holders refund past dividends. The
dividends are safe. The stockholders WILL lose the value of stock that they
hold. Stock is not protected. The "owners" will lose their investment
when the stock becomes worthless.That sounds fair to me.
Corporations are the new kings and we it's servants.
I hope you all realize that a corportion can be a one person entity, not just a
multi national. So many of you anti corporate types (who by the way have a
great life because of what many corporations have provided. But I digress) seem
to see corporations as only huge multi national entities. American corporate
law provided a good, legal, financial, protection to PEOPLE. That is why those
laws have been enacted. It helps take away much risk that PEOPLE will lose
everything if the corporation fails or gets sued. Otherwise PEOPLE would not
risk investing and working and creating goods, services, and wealth for our
nation. Like I said, many of these corporations, run by PEOPLE, have provided
most of you with things in life that would never have happened if not for the
American corporate law structure, which gives PEOPLE, the ability to do so. And
so many on the left seem to want to boogie man American coroporations. Talk
about biting the hand that feeds you. Corporations are PEOPLE, every bit as
much as unions, political parties, universities, ect. are PEOPLE.
I don't think that non-elected judges should have the right to draft
legislation and change the definition of a corporation. If Roberts wants to do
that then he should campaign, become elected, and pass new legislation through
the defined process.@Mike RichardsWhere in the
Constitution does it specifically state that "corporations are people"?
If you cannot find a bill of rights for corporations then I'll let you in
on a secret... They don't exist! From what I see, the greatest
threat to America isn't marriage. But the redefining of the Constitution to
allow conservatives to invade whatever country they want, bail out whatever bank
they want, subsidize whatever oil company they want, and empower corporations to
hurt the American people in whatever way they want.
@The Real MaverickOrem, UT6:39 a.m. July 17, 2014Just
look at the slippery slope! ====== Agreed!Corporate "entities" are legally "People".with full
protection and Constitutional rights.They exist for one thing, and
one thing only -- PROFIT! [gain]If they do not make Profit [gain] they
Die, So, now it's the Government's duty to protect a
Corporations right to -- LIFE, Liberty, and Pursuit of Happiness.Think about it -- Corporations now have "Free Speech"
[bribery]Corporations now have "Freedom of Religion".Therefore -- Corporations now also have "the right of the
CORPORATIONS to keep and bear ARMS, shall not be infringed."BTW
- Some these "corporations" build our Thermal Nuclear, Biological and
Chemical weapons...think about it.Corporations are now protected
against "searches and seizures".Courts and Juries by their
"peers" -- i.e., OTHER Corporations and Businessmen, perhaps?How about running for "Office", Imagine a Business "entity",
Because Business can always do things better than Government, Why
not run the Government efficiently -- as a Corporation, BY the Corporation, and
FOR the Corporation! It's like ever Republican's Fantasy
DREAM come true...One other thing, Corporations DON'T
even have to be Americans.....=========== Mike - You
still good with all this?
It's called having your cake and your neighbor's too.
@Mike Richards,If you take bankruptcy, you may claim a homestead
exemption. In Utah, if that homestead includes a personal residence, you are
entitled to a homestead exemption of up to $30,000. You must still pay your
mortgage. The exemption differs by state.
@SCfan;A one-person owned corporation is still a corporation -
specifically designed to separate the owner from the liabilities incurred by the
corporation. If the corporation is the person, then the person should be liable
for the debts and losses of said corporation.
I understand the rationale for corporations in that incorporation aids capital
formation. As a Marxist, however, I wish we could understand that all
relationships are social ones. That all exchanges and actions are between
people. For example, if I work for Walmart and Walmart doesn't provide me
with health insurance, it is not Walmart which denying me insurance, it is the
Walton family - real people. Marx asks us to look past objects and legal forms
to the social relations that are behind everything.
I'll beleive that corporations are people as soon as Texas executes one.
What happens if treating your cancer is against their view? liberal Progressive
view go home and take two aspirin.What happens if bearing arms is against
their view? liberal Progressive gun controlWhat happens if marrying a
woman and having kids is against their view? liberal Progressive abortion and
population control.What happens if paying you a salary, giving you breaks,
and a weekend is against their view? liberal Progressive state controlled
corporations in communist countries like China and North Korea."Corporations were an institution which benefitted families." No
corporations were created solely to benefit their shareholders, period. They
use the management of resources to accomplish this goal for the benefit of their
shareholders."Corporations are now protected against
"searches and seizures". fear mongering at best they have less
protections against this than individuals. "I don't think
that non-elected judges should have the right to draft legislation and change
the definition" -- of marriage. Is that your opinion?And
Vancouver is a city in the southern end of Washington, the state you spent so
much time before returning to Utah,across from Portland Oregon, ( because I hit
my limit on the other thread.
"Corporations now have "Free Speech" Isn't that also called a
newspaper, the ultimate corporate free speech. Should we tell these
corporations they can not say anything? Is not advertising in a newspaper
bribery in the sense advertising in a newspaper that supports your position and
that newspaper uses its voice to influence the government to support your
position. Yes there are slippery slopes and liberals are sliding
right on down them. They don't like freedom of assembly, they
don't like freedom of religion, they don't like armed opponents, they
don't like equity of possibilities for everyone. They don't like
resolving poverty, they want old people to die and go away, they are racist in
they support planned parenthood whose very foundation was to eliminate poverty
by eliminating the lower classes and minorities who they felt were racially
impure. (Read Margaret Sangers works and publications)
"I'll beleive that corporations are people as soon as Texas executes
one." a bit of realityStates and Texas also do execute
corporations, by revoking their charters to operate. Happens all the time. So
does this mean you believe they are people now.
Atlas Smashed“I don't think that non-elected judges should have
the right to draft legislation and change the definition of a
corporation.”But you don’t mind SCOTUS redefining Marriage,
Right? Or the fact that Obama took the Commerce clause and changed it to push
through Obama Care… and SCOTUS (Judge Roberts Specifically) allowed it.
Atlas SmashedPart 2“Where in the Constitution does it
specifically state that "corporations are people"? If you cannot find a
bill of rights for corporations then I'll let you in on a secret... They
don't exist! “Show me one place in the constitution that says
there is a separation of Church and State? Nowhere! “Establish”
does not mean Separate. In Fact show me where it says Marriage is a right.Oh yea, SCOTUS had a ruling that say that. But that is ok because it goes
along with you agenda…But the redefining of the Constitution
to allow conservatives to invade whatever country they want, bail out whatever
bank they want, subsidize whatever oil company they want, and empower
corporations to hurt the American people in whatever way they want.But it
ok for Obama to push the bailout of the Auto Industry from 17.6 billion to over
85 billion, because he deemed that it was wholly inadequate.Or the fact
that he violated the constitution with recess appointments, and allow all his
policies to go into effect by department rules and regulations rather than go
Roland,For one... You're not on the Supreme Court. So what YOU think
doesn't matter as much as what they think.I think they
understand the Constitution better than you do. So I'm going to trust THEM
on this one.Nobody said, "Corporations are people". So you
can probably drop that strawman.What they actually said is...
Corporations have a right to express themselves and fight for their own
self-interest. And part of that right to free speech includes a right donate to
political campaigns, or even make commercials.But nobody on the
Supreme Court actually said they are people.==========I
think corporations have a right to pursue their own self-interest. Some
politicians would try to put them out of business... they have a right to fight
AGAINST those politicians.But people have rights corporations
DON'T have. One of them is freedom of association. We don't have to
go to their business or buy their products if we don't want to. We can go
to ANY business we want (and stay away from any business we want).Don't support the businesses you think are ruining our politics!
Where would you anti-corporation people be without corporations? Would you
build your own cars? Would you build your own appliances? Where would you shop
for groceries, for clothes, for gas? Would you only go to home produced movies,
concerts, and book readings? Would you only listen to neighborhood sponsored
radio and TV? In Utah, where would you go to Church. Where would you bank?
Go ahead and tell us all about those "evil" corporations,
the ones that you use everyday to do the things that you want to do and to buy
the things that you want to own. It seems quite hypocritical to me
that you slam corporations even as you pass your dollars to them.If
you really believe what you're writing on this thread, you'll break
off all contact with corporations. You divest yourself of anything that you own
that comes from corporations. AFTER you've done that, then tell us what
you think about those "evil" corporations.
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