BluedevilIt is good to be reliable, unlike BO and his injustice
department, or anything else he does. Thank you.But, since you
brought it up, harry reid is not a member of BO’s cabinet. Glad I could
explain that to you.Despite the two years spent, the injustice
department chose not to prosecute. If it is such a strong case, why did they
not prosecute?The issue of making an arrest in an instable country
is separate from a cover-up. What you imply is akin to saying since the spoon
was dirty, the meal must not have been cooked. Yeah, somewhat related, but two
separate issues.And few are calling this a cover-up, because it is
not. BOTH parties are looking to clean up the mess; with BO and his ilk, only
one party is interested in cleaning the mess, the other party, the dems, is
interested in covering up the mess.If these guys are found guilty,
throw the book at them. But give them their day in court.
The worst thing Shurtleff did was stabbing thousands of Utah home owners in the
back so he could get a cushy job. His own lawyers were outraged when Shurtleff
dropped the suit.
aeron: Shurtleff injured his leg in a motorcycle accident.
Get rid of the corruption regardless of who or where it is found......and that
goes for local, State, or Federal politicians. The stench and the
consequences are having a dramatic effect on all of us.Quit choosing
sides based on politics and just get to the truth. If people on either side
don't want to follow the rules then they need to be gone.
There is no question these guys broke the law. It's found in the Utah Code
at Section 67-16-5 and states: (2) ... it is an offense
for a public officer or public employee to knowingly receive, accept, take,
seek, or solicit, directly or indirectly for himself or another a gift of
substantial value or a substantial economic benefit tantamount to a gift ... if
the public officer or public employee recently has been, is now, or in the near
future may be involved in any governmental action directly affecting the donor
or lender ...There is no question that both Shurtleff and Swallow
accepted gifts from persons who were the subjects of governmental action taken
or to be taken by the AG's office. They broke the law. And the law in
question carries felony penalties.
I knew someone would try to spin this back to being about Obama and his cabinet.
Nice spin Lost... you are as reliable as the sun rising.Since Lost
decided to takes us there....the first line of this piece struck me as ironical
in stating "Investigators spent nearly two years building a criminal case
against former Utah Attorneys General Mark Shurtleff and John Swallow,"How interesting few are calling this a cover up or a conspiracy when it
take two years to build a case strong enough to pursue arrest warrants when all
the work was done in the safe confines of the state of Utah. And yet when it
takes two years to bring a terrorist to justice in a yet to be stable foreign
nation.... that rises to the level of high crimes and cover ups.Justice takes a long time. Longer than most want or have the patience for.
It will be interesting to see where the threads of this end... who is attached
at the other end of these allegations. If these men were trying to gain unjust
influence, we need to see who was on the receiving or giving side.
While the charges certainly appear justified, the timing is interesting. Mr.
Gill is locked in what looks to be a real battle for County Attorney. Charging
allegedly corrupt politicians certainly looks like a good campaign strategy.
Crime or politics? Really? I can't believe this is even up for debate.
There should be no excuse making in the media for corruption. Politicians will
be politicians is a terrible mindset for the peoples of a democratic society to
Why does he have crutches?
"They're going to want to fight," said Brett Tolman, a former U.S
attorney for Utah.He appears to be still federalized as the DOJ
didn't want to get into state politics and laws. Racketeering has a
definition in Utah which could be different than federal law. We also have some
type of ethic laws even though the Legislature and the Governor have avoided
that topic since now. We have had problems in the past with speakers of the
House, Lieutenant Governors and Legislators but we don't necessarily want
to highlight our problems to the world. Everyone is doing it can be bad for our
children and grandchildren but also others know that is not an excuse for us
doing it. These men violated our trust as citizens of our State of
Utah. What is worse, is, they were supposed to know or their staff know and to
ensure the AG knows what the laws are and mean, to real people, and especially
attorneys within the State Bar. Ethics and integrity are more than law, the
basis for a civil society and for trust. Trust in God not trust in men or women
with intent to deceive.
Holder’s injustice department chose not to press charges because they saw
it would implicate harry reid. The Utah GOP wants a clean house, that’s
why they are involved. too bad the national dem party refuses to clean its own
That these two operated shamelessly in the fishbowl that is the public eye, and
were so careless and blatant in their dealings is beyond comprehension.Nobody buried them in these charges---this is not accidental.They did
enough to attract scrutiny and ultimately--felony charges.They are
not being prosecuted for an occasional favor here---a phone call there...these
are some SERIOUS charges. They will not be dismissed with a slap on the wrist or
token fine. Their misdeeds affect citizens across the entire spectrum of
political affiliation and religion.Sure--they proclaim their
innocence---Shurtleff much more so than the quiet Swallow. But these are not
just rumors of illegal activity---there are facts and evidence to warrant arrest
and charges.And before Shurtleff gets all huffy about his family being put
out---what about the 5000 families at the wrong end of the B of A
"deal"?His lawyer would serve Mark well to muzzle him.
As Kirk Jowers pointed out the inconsistent decision of the DOJ to drop the case
and the house panels pursuit leave questions. If a guilty plea is found why did
DOJ drop the case but if found innocent why did the media, the house panel spend
perhaps $10 million by that time to pursue.It is one thing to make charges and
another to prove them.
This web. Mr. Shurtleff liked power and pulled all attorneys of the State under
his wing. At what cost and what efficiency did we gain. Mr. Swallow believed
he was more powerful than our Governor even as a Chief Deputy to Mr. Shurtleff.
That was Mr. Shurtleff;s downfall to put his man of campaign funds as his Chief
Deputy. He should have put in the most qualified person not someone who maybe
could skirt around laws but lived the laws. You need a top notch person of
integrity at that position. The FBI may have stopped their investigation last
fall but from articles they have appeared to be there every step of the way.
Why? Who are they protecting? The Davis and SL DAs have worked
together,bipartisan to stop collusion. This is a black-eye but the
House had the steadfastness to do something. That did help in this whole
process even though the former AG's should be responsible for that cost,
from their personal account. They took an oath and have a Utah bar code of
ethics to live, everyday. David had Uriah and Uriah was faithful. David
designed a plan for Uriah on the battlefront.
Politically motivated?Because the FBI, several utah DAs (some
repub), and the repub legislature suddenly have it in for repubs Shurtleff and
swallow?Huh?If you believe in these things then I had
some beach front property in Wyoming to sell ya.
I have a hard time buying the "politically motivated charges" garbage
when, 1) the charges were decided upon by a republican and a democrat, 2) the
republican controlled legislature basically came to the same conclusion, 3)
everyone who has been following this case and is familiar with it knows there is
something unlawful that has happened. I'm looking forward to
seeing Shurtleff and Swallow give specific responses to the things they are
accused of, not just weak cries that they are being treated unfairly.And as I have said before, whenever you have a one party state like we do,
unethical behavior and corruption will flourish. When there is no opposition in
politics then the politicians soon believe they can get away with anything.
Mr. Shurtleff has sought our sympathy by talking about his years of selfless
public service in lieu of seeking big bucks as a corporate attorney. On the
other hand, he says the charges are politically motivated, implying his
prosecutor is just out for a bigger elected position. His posturing defeats his
own "political" argument.
I've read the probable cause statement. They're going to have to come
up with something better than "the charges are politically motivated."
Becky Lockhart disappointed me when she stated on television that 'finally
justice had been served.' I guess she has found them guilty without giving
them the benefit of a trial.
"University of Utah law professor Shima Baradaran said that while
prosecutors have a "pretty solid case," Shurtleff and Swallow could
argue that the charges are politically motivated."Hey Shima, do
you think they are guilty or not? I don't know that people are really
interested to see if the political biased card "Holds water".