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Published: Thursday, July 17 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT

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prelax
Murray, UT

We don't need to modify the law, the Obama administration already has the power to modify the laws.

They are coming here for amnesty, not the violence and poverty. They are not refugees. There are no travel advisories, nor are churches pulling out their missionaries. People outside of the United States must apply for refugee status. People who have already made it to the United States border or the interior (perhaps by using a visa or by entering illegally) can apply for asylum status.

They belong back home with their parents.

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

They are NOT refugees. Refugees come from places like Syria, Somalia and Ivory Coast.
A recent Border Patrol survey of those captured reveals that they are coming here because they know we don't enforce our immigration laws and they can get in line for Obama's deferred action amnesty program. 94% of them said that's why they came here.
If we don't push them back home what do you think will happen? Will more come if they know the outcome of this first wave?
Let's start making the connection that our lack of enforcement is CAUSING people to die trying to get here. We need to deter people, not encourage them.

mohokat
Ogden, UT

The amnesty advocates such as the DN would be overjoyed for these illegals to gain Refugee status. That would be a back door amnesty. In addition to being able to stay we would then be compelled to pay them benefits. They brutal our country and we pay them to do it. There is no justification for Refugee status to be granted. Like the old trail boss would say Head em up and move em out.

FT
salt lake city, UT

Tough times and challenges don't build or define's one charecter, they reveal it. How we handle this crisis as a country tells ourself and the world who we really are.

Say No to BO
Mapleton, UT

@FT
I totally agree. The world already knows that we don't enforce our own immigration laws and loopholes abound for illegals to stay here and maybe get personalized amnesty along the way.
The world already knows "who we really are." We are patsies creating magnets for people to walk through the desert and die trying to get here.
This is not a new situation. It has been decades in the making.
When are we going to establish our own sovereignty and STOP these manufactured humanitarian crises?

E Sam
Provo, UT

We cannot, cannot send these children back. The murder rate in the U.S. is about 4.7 per 100,000. In Honduras, it's 173. How can we send kids back to that level of violence? My daughter and I were talking about this. We'll take four.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Obama's "deferred action amnesty plan??????"

Try again. The real name of the plan that prevents Obama from taking action now is the "Bush deferred action amnesty plan."

But the truth is so darned inconvenient isn't it?

liberal larry
salt lake City, utah

Thank you for this thoughful and nonpartisan editorial!

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

Yes, we should help – reunite them with their families back in their home countries

FT,
Yes, tough times DO define a person’s character. The illegals show when times are tough, they are going to go where they can get someone else to take care of them, rather than work to improve the situation where they are. Trying to sneak in and get amnesty reveals A LOT about their character.

Red Corvette,
So the LDS church is responsible for all the world’s poor? The church DOES take care of its own wherever they are, and many who are not yet their own.

E Sam,
You’d rather they die trying to cross the desert or be forced into sexual slavery trying to get here when they see even more amnesty? Creating a magnet that many die while they are pulled to it is NOT very compassionate.

By sending them back, we are sending a message that will discourage others from taking that very dangerous journey.

Old man,
There was a 2012 BO executive order that plays a large part in this and we already know BO ignores laws he does not like – even parts of Obamacare

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

Re: Prelax "They are coming here for amnesty, not the violence and poverty. They are not refugees. "

But some of them clearly are refugees, particularly those from Honduras where the narco-cartels have taken over. I commend the Deseret News for this thoughtful editorial.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

It's big hearted to take in refugees, but there IS a cost to society. And that cost is sometimes hard to bear. Child refugees often have traumatic scars from what they experienced in their home-land, which are sometimes expanded and transferred to the people in their new land when they struggle to speak the language, fit in, earn a living like the affluent people around them. Those issues sometimes surface in violent ways.

Examples:

Sulejman Talović (a refugee whose family moved to the United States from Bosnia). Had anger issues and joined the KKK. At age 18 killed five and wounded four at Trolley Square.

Esar Met (refugee from Burma), kidnapped and killed a 7-year-old girl. Took 6 years to even START the trail. Now we are housing him and feeding him for life at the point of the mountain.

When I look at the news paper each day, it just shocks me how many of the high speed chases, hit and run accidents, gangs, drug bands, and other crime involves refugees from other countries.

There is a cost. Not always to you... but to somebody...

Continued...

FT
salt lake city, UT

@E Sam
Let the poliicans and the partisans point fingers, assess blame and solve little. At the end of the day, there are children who need to eat and have shelter. You're offering "to take 4" is so very inspiring. While some protest and hold posters telling the children to go home you open your heart and your home. Wow! We need to have the same discussion in our house.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Continued...

I'm not saying we don't take in refugees. I'm just saying, "understand the cost".

Refugees involved in crime doesn't only happen in Utah. It happens in literal every State in the United States. Especially border States. There are organized crime groups that make their whole living off providing fake IDs and documentation, or stealing identities for people who need fake ID to work and function in the USA. There are groups that seek out refugees and illegal residents who can't find work and offer them HUGE money to help them with their business (just selling herbs, etc). They know they won't turn their bosses in... because that would get THEM deported...

There are just a TON of problems that bread of this problem (people coming to America illegally).

If you want to talk solutions... the solution is not taking them all in.

The solution has to start where they live. We need to work with those countries to help make them more like the USA... instead of their people just fleeing to the USA.

They need to become a country committed to "Rule-of-law" and most of their problems go away.

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

RE 2bits "We need to work with those countries to help make them more like the USA."

You mean imperialist like the USA? That might help them, but they just don't have the appropriate muscle. The reason so much of Latin America is a basket case is in part due to the exploitation of these countries by American capital.

MapleDon
Springville, UT

This is not a complex issue. Unfortunately, three entities want open borders and amnesty: the Democratic Party, businesses that employ illegals, and churches. Their reasons are all the same: gain.

And it's the selfishness of these three groups that have caused this crisis. As long as they get what they want, they're happy, regardless of the impact on our country and its citizens. That's the reason no border has been put in place, laws aren't enforced, and why there's this never ending call for the reform of our immigration laws.

And trying to imply a holier cause is incredibly manipulative and offensive to any thinking person. Where's the compassion for the millions of citizens who have lost their jobs to cheap illegal immigrants? That's right, there isn't any.

Did the editors ignore the fact that 59% of Americans want these children shipped back and only 27% believe efforts should be made for them to stay here?

Why don't the editors show their real, sincere compassion by letting illegals have their jobs, wealth, positions, homes, and identities? Then I might believe them. Until then, it's nothing but propaganda.

Third try screen name
Mapleton, UT

Perhaps we need to take a look at how effective past refugees/immigrants have been. Let's take Mexico for example.
We have 11.4 million Mexican nationals living in the USA.
Add to that 7 million illegal aliens from Mexico.
They send home about $2 Billion in remittances EVERY MONTH.
How has that impacted the violence in Mexico? How has that deterred illegal immigration from Mexico?
Is this what you want?
Not me. Let's start enforcing our immigration laws.
This latest issue at the border is merely an microcosm of the overall immigration program. Too many loopholes and not enough enforcement. And worst of all, politicians pandering for votes and elites who are citizens of the world looking for us to provide cheap labor and government benefits.
I refuse to allow progressives to give away our country.

Fitness Freak
Salt Lake City, UT

Its' hard to understand all the racism on behalf of commenters here today.

They seem to ONLY want to allow persons of hispanic heritage to immigrate to the U.S.

What about the 3 or 4 million Somalians who would like to claim "refugee" status?, or the million or so Bosnians? Don't they deserve the same shot at citizenship? How about the million of Syrians who have been displaced? Should we let them ALL claim "refugee" status?
Why not?

Last week a couple of Congresspersons visited Guatemala and debunked the myth of "refugee". I think (hope)that pretty much everyone knows that the latest wave of illegal immigrant trespassers are actually winding up on our southern border because "coyotes" are urging them to come to the U.S. as our guests. For a "nominal" fee of course, (5-7k)the coyotes have convinced them that the U.S. will provide them housing, room and board, for, well......pretty much as long as they want.

Of course, the Obama administration isn't doing much to dispel that myth.
IF things are so bad in central america, WHY hasn't this administration recalled their ambassadors and embassy staff?

no fit in SG
St.George, UT

Should there be a major war in the Middle East, should Israel's citizens be allowed to immigrate to the United States and become citizens?
Or..
Are only "some people" able to come to America in large groups?

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: ". . . the Obama Administration has dispatched a team of investigators to try and disrupt such criminal enterprises."

Yeah -- for all the good that'll do.

The only real solution is to re-assert control over our borders. That's not rocket science. By abrogating and ignoring important responsibilities, in favor of political expedience, the Obama administration created this problem. It's now up to Obama to fix it.

He has got to release the stranglehold he has on border enforcement, empowering, rather than harassing resources in states and counties that are willing and able to step in and defend themselves from this invasion. Bring in the National Guard, as well, as a temporary fix.

He should enforce and strengthen existing laws that sanction greedy employers, who are the culprits that create the demand for illegal workers.

And, he's got to support a quick change to a well-intentioned, but foolish Bush-era law that promises sanctuary to these kids.

It's not hard. Obama has the solutions at hand. He should stop thinking like a Democrat and start thinking like an American.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

@Marxist,

Re: "You mean imperialist like the USA"...

No... I mean what I said (not the strawman words you like to put in my mouth). Read what I said. They need to be more committed to "RULE-OF-LAW" (their own laws). I'm pretty sure they don't want drug dealers killing people and corrupt politics to be "legal".

That's where they need to start... not by becoming more "Imperialistic".

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I always laugh a little when people call America "Imperialist". I always think of the British Empire (now THAT was Imperialist). There were British colonies in North America, but they had many others... Canada, British Isles, India, Australia, Africa (for their slave trade), Egypt (1799), the capture of Java from the Netherlands (1811), the acquisition of Singapore (1819) and Malacca (1824) and the defeat of Burma (1826), etc). Many of these colonies still bear some form of the British flag (AKA Union Jack) today.

The British Empire is over now... but the British Empire, the Ottoman Empire, etc, are what I think of when I think "Imperialists". Not the United States.

What colonies does the United States have? What countries do we actually control?

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