We don't need to modify the law, the Obama administration already has the
power to modify the laws. They are coming here for amnesty, not the
violence and poverty. They are not refugees. There are no travel advisories, nor
are churches pulling out their missionaries. People outside of the United States
must apply for refugee status. People who have already made it to the United
States border or the interior (perhaps by using a visa or by entering illegally)
can apply for asylum status.They belong back home with their
They are NOT refugees. Refugees come from places like Syria, Somalia and Ivory
Coast.A recent Border Patrol survey of those captured reveals that they
are coming here because they know we don't enforce our immigration laws and
they can get in line for Obama's deferred action amnesty program. 94% of
them said that's why they came here.If we don't push them back
home what do you think will happen? Will more come if they know the outcome of
this first wave?Let's start making the connection that our lack of
enforcement is CAUSING people to die trying to get here. We need to deter
people, not encourage them.
The amnesty advocates such as the DN would be overjoyed for these illegals to
gain Refugee status. That would be a back door amnesty. In addition to being
able to stay we would then be compelled to pay them benefits. They brutal our
country and we pay them to do it. There is no justification for Refugee status
to be granted. Like the old trail boss would say Head em up and move em out.
Tough times and challenges don't build or define's one charecter, they
reveal it. How we handle this crisis as a country tells ourself and the world
who we really are.
@FTI totally agree. The world already knows that we don't enforce our
own immigration laws and loopholes abound for illegals to stay here and maybe
get personalized amnesty along the way.The world already knows "who we
really are." We are patsies creating magnets for people to walk through the
desert and die trying to get here.This is not a new situation. It has been
decades in the making.When are we going to establish our own sovereignty
and STOP these manufactured humanitarian crises?
We cannot, cannot send these children back. The murder rate in the U.S. is about
4.7 per 100,000. In Honduras, it's 173. How can we send kids back to that
level of violence? My daughter and I were talking about this. We'll take
Obama's "deferred action amnesty plan??????"Try again.
The real name of the plan that prevents Obama from taking action now is the
"Bush deferred action amnesty plan."But the truth is so
darned inconvenient isn't it?
Thank you for this thoughful and nonpartisan editorial!
Yes, we should help – reunite them with their families back in their home
countriesFT,Yes, tough times DO define a person’s
character. The illegals show when times are tough, they are going to go where
they can get someone else to take care of them, rather than work to improve the
situation where they are. Trying to sneak in and get amnesty reveals A LOT
about their character.Red Corvette,So the LDS church is
responsible for all the world’s poor? The church DOES take care of its own
wherever they are, and many who are not yet their own.E Sam,You’d rather they die trying to cross the desert or be forced into
sexual slavery trying to get here when they see even more amnesty? Creating a
magnet that many die while they are pulled to it is NOT very compassionate.By sending them back, we are sending a message that will discourage
others from taking that very dangerous journey.Old man,There
was a 2012 BO executive order that plays a large part in this and we already
know BO ignores laws he does not like – even parts of Obamacare
Re: Prelax "They are coming here for amnesty, not the violence and
poverty. They are not refugees. "But some of them clearly are
refugees, particularly those from Honduras where the narco-cartels have taken
over. I commend the Deseret News for this thoughtful editorial.
It's big hearted to take in refugees, but there IS a cost to society. And
that cost is sometimes hard to bear. Child refugees often have traumatic scars
from what they experienced in their home-land, which are sometimes expanded and
transferred to the people in their new land when they struggle to speak the
language, fit in, earn a living like the affluent people around them. Those
issues sometimes surface in violent ways.Examples:Sulejman Talović (a refugee whose family moved to the United States from
Bosnia). Had anger issues and joined the KKK. At age 18 killed five and
wounded four at Trolley Square. Esar Met (refugee from Burma),
kidnapped and killed a 7-year-old girl. Took 6 years to even START the trail.
Now we are housing him and feeding him for life at the point of the mountain.When I look at the news paper each day, it just shocks me how many of
the high speed chases, hit and run accidents, gangs, drug bands, and other crime
involves refugees from other countries.There is a cost. Not always
to you... but to somebody...Continued...
@E SamLet the poliicans and the partisans point fingers, assess blame and
solve little. At the end of the day, there are children who need to eat and
have shelter. You're offering "to take 4" is so very inspiring.
While some protest and hold posters telling the children to go home you open
your heart and your home. Wow! We need to have the same discussion in our house.
Continued...I'm not saying we don't take in refugees.
I'm just saying, "understand the cost".Refugees
involved in crime doesn't only happen in Utah. It happens in literal
every State in the United States. Especially border States. There are
organized crime groups that make their whole living off providing fake IDs and
documentation, or stealing identities for people who need fake ID to work and
function in the USA. There are groups that seek out refugees and illegal
residents who can't find work and offer them HUGE money to help them with
their business (just selling herbs, etc). They know they won't turn their
bosses in... because that would get THEM deported...There are just a
TON of problems that bread of this problem (people coming to America
illegally).If you want to talk solutions... the solution is not
taking them all in.The solution has to start where they live. We
need to work with those countries to help make them more like the USA... instead
of their people just fleeing to the USA.They need to become a
country committed to "Rule-of-law" and most of their problems go away.
RE 2bits "We need to work with those countries to help make them more
like the USA."You mean imperialist like the USA? That might
help them, but they just don't have the appropriate muscle. The reason so
much of Latin America is a basket case is in part due to the exploitation of
these countries by American capital.
This is not a complex issue. Unfortunately, three entities want open borders and
amnesty: the Democratic Party, businesses that employ illegals, and churches.
Their reasons are all the same: gain. And it's the selfishness
of these three groups that have caused this crisis. As long as they get what
they want, they're happy, regardless of the impact on our country and its
citizens. That's the reason no border has been put in place, laws
aren't enforced, and why there's this never ending call for the reform
of our immigration laws.And trying to imply a holier cause is
incredibly manipulative and offensive to any thinking person. Where's the
compassion for the millions of citizens who have lost their jobs to cheap
illegal immigrants? That's right, there isn't any.Did the
editors ignore the fact that 59% of Americans want these children shipped back
and only 27% believe efforts should be made for them to stay here? Why don't the editors show their real, sincere compassion by letting
illegals have their jobs, wealth, positions, homes, and identities? Then I might
believe them. Until then, it's nothing but propaganda.
Perhaps we need to take a look at how effective past refugees/immigrants have
been. Let's take Mexico for example.We have 11.4 million Mexican
nationals living in the USA.Add to that 7 million illegal aliens from
Mexico.They send home about $2 Billion in remittances EVERY MONTH.How has that impacted the violence in Mexico? How has that deterred illegal
immigration from Mexico?Is this what you want?Not me. Let's
start enforcing our immigration laws.This latest issue at the border is
merely an microcosm of the overall immigration program. Too many loopholes and
not enough enforcement. And worst of all, politicians pandering for votes and
elites who are citizens of the world looking for us to provide cheap labor and
government benefits.I refuse to allow progressives to give away our
Its' hard to understand all the racism on behalf of commenters here
today.They seem to ONLY want to allow persons of hispanic heritage
to immigrate to the U.S.What about the 3 or 4 million Somalians who
would like to claim "refugee" status?, or the million or so Bosnians?
Don't they deserve the same shot at citizenship? How about the million of
Syrians who have been displaced? Should we let them ALL claim "refugee"
status?Why not?Last week a couple of Congresspersons visited
Guatemala and debunked the myth of "refugee". I think (hope)that pretty
much everyone knows that the latest wave of illegal immigrant trespassers are
actually winding up on our southern border because "coyotes" are urging
them to come to the U.S. as our guests. For a "nominal" fee of course,
(5-7k)the coyotes have convinced them that the U.S. will provide them housing,
room and board, for, well......pretty much as long as they want.Of
course, the Obama administration isn't doing much to dispel that myth.IF things are so bad in central america, WHY hasn't this administration
recalled their ambassadors and embassy staff?
Should there be a major war in the Middle East, should Israel's citizens be
allowed to immigrate to the United States and become citizens?Or..Are only "some people" able to come to America in large groups?
Re: ". . . the Obama Administration has dispatched a team of investigators
to try and disrupt such criminal enterprises."Yeah -- for all
the good that'll do.The only real solution is to re-assert
control over our borders. That's not rocket science. By abrogating and
ignoring important responsibilities, in favor of political expedience, the Obama
administration created this problem. It's now up to Obama to fix it.He has got to release the stranglehold he has on border enforcement,
empowering, rather than harassing resources in states and counties that are
willing and able to step in and defend themselves from this invasion. Bring in
the National Guard, as well, as a temporary fix.He should enforce
and strengthen existing laws that sanction greedy employers, who are the
culprits that create the demand for illegal workers.And, he's
got to support a quick change to a well-intentioned, but foolish Bush-era law
that promises sanctuary to these kids.It's not hard. Obama has
the solutions at hand. He should stop thinking like a Democrat and start
thinking like an American.
@Marxist,Re: "You mean imperialist like the USA"...No... I mean what I said (not the strawman words you like to put in my mouth).
Read what I said. They need to be more committed to "RULE-OF-LAW"
(their own laws). I'm pretty sure they don't want drug dealers
killing people and corrupt politics to be "legal".That's where they need to start... not by becoming more
"Imperialistic".==============I always laugh a
little when people call America "Imperialist". I always think of the
British Empire (now THAT was Imperialist). There were British colonies in North
America, but they had many others... Canada, British Isles, India, Australia,
Africa (for their slave trade), Egypt (1799), the capture of Java from the
Netherlands (1811), the acquisition of Singapore (1819) and Malacca (1824) and
the defeat of Burma (1826), etc). Many of these colonies still bear some form
of the British flag (AKA Union Jack) today.The British Empire is
over now... but the British Empire, the Ottoman Empire, etc, are what I think of
when I think "Imperialists". Not the United States. What
colonies does the United States have? What countries do we actually control?
Obama has at his disposal, TODAY, to stop this nonsense.Why not
freeze bank account deposits of Mexico?Why not tell Mexico that
UNLESS they stop allowing other foreign nationals to migrate to our southern
border we WILL disallow all flights originating from the U.S. to ANYWHERE in
Mexico?The illegal immigration WON'T STOP until Obama wants it
to stop. After that, its' easy!
Marxist- If our system is so horrible and causing their problems, why would they
want to come here?It is very sad the situation that many people in
the World live under. For the majority of the population outside the USA, coming
here would lead to a better life. That being said, does that mean we are
responsible to take in every person win the world who would have a better or
safer life here than in their home country? There are many areas of the world
that are much more dangerous than Central America, especially in Africa and the
Middle East. Should everyone in those areas be given a free trip to the USA to
have a better life? Why not? Should we take everyone from Central America who
wants to come, or just those that come here illegally?What it comes
down to is this, it is not our responsibility to let the whole world in who
thinks coming here will lead to a better life. We cannot do it. Our policies
need to be aimed at helping those countries improve, after we get our own messes
My it is such a coincidence that all of these drug wars and acts of violence in
their home countries suddenly mushroomed out of control right as Obama started
signaling that he won't enforce immigration laws.I have watched
the video's (on youtube) of these people coming out of the desert and
getting onto the buses in Texas. They don't even look the least bit
stressed. The women are wearing nice clothes and carrying expensive purses. The
kids are wearing nice clothes and shoes and laughing and smiling. They look like
tourists enjoying a day at Disney land. Seriously. Watch for yourself.Sorry DN I'm not buying the "desperate refugee's from war torn,
drug ridden, violent countries" story. That is just Obama's propaganda.
This where church values separate themselves from political values. The
Editorial Board definitely understands compassion.
In all honesty, I'm a little frightened at the reaction some members of our
community have had to this crisis. Calls to speed up deportation and send
children back to violent countries without a chance to determine whether they
qualify for refugee status are devoid of empathy and warmth. We're
forgetting our pioneer heritage. We used to know what it was like to run away
from violence, to seek safety at all costs, to go from city to city seeking
refuge only to be told to leave. But of course now this valley is ours,
we've gotten wealthy and fat, and when children come knocking and asking
for help, we don't even want to have a conversation about whether we can be
of aid. "Just send them all back!". This is shameful. Regardless of your
politics, empathy is essential. And empathy requires that we at least duly
consider each child's situation before firing up southbound buses and
washing our hands of the situation.
Democrats don't want to stop this nonsense... because it makes Republicans
look bad. And it doesn't matter what happens to the country... just as
long as Republicans look bad...
The state of Utah can help. The aircraft of the Utah Air Guard can transport
these childrean back to their home countries and gain training and mission hours
in the process.
If we want to "help" then the next question is how much additional taxes
or voluntary donations to recognized charities are each of us willing to give
(or have taken from us if in the form of a tax)?We can, as I
understand, sponsor a refugee or illegal alien and be responsible for their
needs until citizenship is adjudicated. Charity begins at home, our individual
homes and budgets. The costs will be staggering in ESL costs, medical costs -
many of these people are disease vectors for TB and other diseases not known
here for generations.How many of these "children" i.e.
teen-agers are gang affiliates being imported to strengthen various criminal
enterprises already plaguing our major cities.We have a serious
infiltration problem and these people are not easily, if ever, assimilated to
what used to be a Northern European based historic value/culture system. High
levels of ethnic populations can, if not assimilated into the predominate
culture, form ethnic ghettos that may be seen as quaint to some but divisive to
the "pulling for the common good" goal of a democratic republic. "Houston, we have a problem."
Re: "The reason so much of Latin America is a basket case is . . .
exploitation . . . by American capital."Bull! Having lived all
across Latin America, with roots extending into Mexico, I've many times
encountered the real reason [most of] Latin America is, indeed, a basket case.
It has nothing, whatever, to do with US exploitation, with capital markets,
natural resources, arable land, or income inequality.Latin
America's primary problem is -- Latin Americans. Among Latins, there is so
little respect for the rule of law, that anyone who perceives an opportunity to
advance personal interests by cheating or stealing [lying is frowned upon, but
often becomes necessary because of the other two] will take it.Working hard is applauded, but not playing by the rules. If you know how, or
are related to someone who can assist you, to avoid, skirt around, or just
ignore the rules, Latin culture labels you a chump if you don't.Corruption is Latin America's biggest problem. Sadly, it's becoming
America's, as well.All the Americas need a new birth of
honesty, decency, and regard for civilizing rules, especially among our
2 bitsCottonwood Heights, UTDemocrats don't want to stop this
nonsense... because it makes Republicans look bad. And it doesn't matter
what happens to the country... just as long as Republicans look bad...1:13 p.m. July 17, 2014======== And Republicans stated
#1 goal [and actions] for the past 6 years has been to make Obama a 1 term
President.Those actions have proven out -- Party ahead of
America, having a flag the entire time.BTW -- My sons
and I all spoke Asian languages, no spanish.But - How does one go
about sponsoring and sheltering these kids?Do we have to speak
The implication, obviously being advanced in this editorial, that enforcement of
immigration law is the opposite of compassion, is a despicable lie. Equality at the law, and common respect for the rule of law, is the only way
to show compassion to everyone. This is why God said to obey, honor, and
sustain the law, and to do all things "in wisdom and in order." Surely
the Deseret News, owned as it is by the LDS Church (as it repeatedly has pointed
out, in previous, immigration-law anti-enforcement editorials), is well aware of
this. So why then is the Deseret News seeking to inculcate in the
minds of its readers the falsehood that enforcement of immigration law is the
opposite of compassion and that unless one condones and rewards illegal
immigration, he is devoid of love, compassion, and humanity? Shoplifters and
bank robbers also are "seeking a better life." Should we look the other
way at shoplifting and bank robbery too? It is just this sort of
propaganda that has made possible this evil enterprise of various, corrupt
groups ultimately using these children as pawns in an effort to defeat this
nation's immigration laws, for ulterior, selfish ends.
This is a mess, either open our borders or close them, don't play these
constant games that split families and force people to play hide and seek in the
desert with Coyotes and law enforcement.
"Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California, the author of the provision
in the human trafficking law, said a change in regulations, not the law, could
speed the children's return.The law already allows HHS and the
Homeland Security Department to write regulations to deal with "exceptional
circumstances" that would allow officials to return the children more
quickly to their home countries, Feinstein said Thursday at a hearing."
July 13 DN"After weeks of insistence that criminal violence was
responsible for the surge of Central American migrants, the U.S. has begun a
regional public-relations campaign to fight the widespread belief in Central
America that children and families will be allowed to stay in the U.S. if they
are caught by the Border Patrol.That belief has been fueled both by
migrant smugglers seeking more clients, and by calls home from children and
families who have been released by the thousands in recent years, with notices
to appear in immigration court, because there are no facilities to hold
them." June 20 DNThese children already have parents, many
crossed over the border with them. No need to take any in. Amnesty has failed,
it's caused the surge.
Any parent that sends his or her child here in this kind of circumstance should
lose all parental rights. Put these poor children up for adoption right away!
What is missing from this discussion and especially from the right is the
recognition that America is a country of immigrants, and I say is not was. Just
because you have yours doesn't mean others don't deserve theirs. Whether the right likes it or not both Republican and Democratic
Presidents have realized this and recognized the differences and complexities of
the modern era by enacting immigration reform.Obama has done nothing
different. His policy is; the Department of Homeland Security will no longer
initiate the deportation of illegal immigrants who came to the United States
before age 16, have lived here for at least five years, and are in school, are
high school graduates or are military veterans in good standing. The immigrants
must also be not more than 30 and have clean criminal records. Nothing here says you can send your kids here and they will be allowed to
stay. If the cartel lies, they lie.BTW the first planes of children
have been deported and have landed back home...and you want the President to do
It interesting that the other article in this paper today talking about the
numbers dropping has been completely ignored. Obama got all the blame when the
numbers went up will he get any of the credit now that they are going down? of
America is not a country of immigrants. Only the first generation of people here
are immigrants, their children, grandchildren etc. are native to this country.
We are a nation of legal immigrants, before 1976 we allowed 500,000
each year, now we are allowing over a million each year. This is the greatest
wave of legal immigration this country has ever seen. We have to
stop this from happening again and again. Amnesty has just caused bigger messes
in the past, it's time to enforce our laws fairly. Breaking the law should
not move people to the front of the line.
Why is the article saying they are avoiding violence in their country, when this
paper carried the article saying they were coming for the Deferred Action for
Childhood Arrivals (“DACA”) program? It directs U.S. Customs and
Border Protection (CBP), U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS), and
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to practice prosecutorial
discretion towards some individuals (16-31 years of age) who immigrated to the
United States as children and are currently in the country illegally. We know
why they are hear. And another article in this paper said that
action by congress is not needed. The law already contains the ability to be
modified under exceptional circumstances. Obama's waivers
caused this mess. I am highly skeptical about anything Obama's
administration says about illegal immigration.
Justice demands that illegal aliens be returned to their country of origin.
Mercy demands that we feed them until the airplanes can take them back to
Central America. Glenn Beck, of all people, has raised over $2 million to feed
and clothe them. Bill O'Reilly contributed $1 million. Where are all the
Progressives? Why aren't they helping voluntarily?
"We have to stop this from happening again and again"My
question is not to support no immigration laws or to ignore the laws we have
but, just what is the harm that has to be stopped from happening. The illegals don't get welfare benefits they don't get retirement
benefits, they do work citizens don't want or won't do. I
know the harm I see but I don't see the bigger messes referred to in the
BO says doesn't want a photo op he wants solutions. My suggestion. 60,000
illegals x $300 one way airfare = $18,000,000. That's a savings of
$3,682,000,000 over his proposal. PLUS it sends a message that spending $2,000
to send your kids up here and get on BO's payroll doesn't work. Others
will get the message also. Spending 3.7 Billion invites more of the same. Viva
@Open Mormon. Plan on taking in 3 this year, 6 next year, 12 the year after and
24 etc., etc. Obama and followers' plan of open amnesty/borders only will
encourage more and more if history is correct. My 30 years of working in 24
countries side by side with the common man leads me to estimate that 3.5 Billion
will be coming. If you want to help send some donations. Mexico has a program
call Dos por Uno. You put up one and they will match it with two. You can
dictate where and for what purpose you want. Another good one in Sudan is
Doctors without Borders. Save the Children is another good one. Please feel
free to donate as much as you want.
Thank you Deseret News for a thoughtful editorial. These children need our love
I think that Utah should be ready to help by sending the children back and
letting the parents help the child because in this way its more meaningful. But
they should also be a little generous to give them a little money to thrive.