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BYU's Taysom Hill, Utah State's Chuckie Keeton named to Davey O'Brien Award watch list

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  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    July 21, 2014 6:26 p.m.

    both Chuckie and Taysom are on the 2014 Heisman watch list but I don't recall seeing any ute QB's on that list.

    Anyone help me there? Did I overlook someone? With all their recruiting advantages and $$$ I'm sure they'd have at least 2 or 3 QB's on that list.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    July 21, 2014 6:23 p.m.

    @Tomahawk Red
    So sad you're so uninformed about the game.

    Alex Smith (has and continues to make 'national news')
    Scott Mitchell
    Brian Johnson (to a small degree)

    Name me one single BYU QB who is currently making 'national news' in any regard...I'll save you the reply. You can't. Because there aren't...Oh that's right. For some reason you're still pretending like it's 1990. I wonder when you fans will finally start moving into the current era.

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    Wow...ute hypocrisy has been taken to a new level. For starters I'm not sure what "national news" Alex Smith is making except he did make national news recently when he lost his job at SF.

    As for BYU QB's making "national news" Steve Sarkisian made national news when he took the HC job at USC. Also, Heaps made "national news" when he transferred to the U and Taysom is making national news currently and is on nearly every major QB award watch list including the Heisman. btw, don't see any ute QB's there.

    I won't mention the embarrassing list you put together (Scott Mitchell and Brian Johnson, really?!?)

    Hope that helps.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 18, 2014 4:34 p.m.

    @Tomahawk Red--

    It's about bowling!

    Now that is really a sad state!

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    July 18, 2014 3:11 p.m.

    BlueNtheFace
    Rancho Cucamonga, CA

    Sorry guys. Maybe someday you'll have a good to great QB who makes some national news.

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    So sad you're so uninformed about the game.

    Alex Smith (has and continues to make 'national news')
    Scott Mitchell
    Brian Johnson (to a small degree)

    Name me one single BYU QB who is currently making 'national news' in any regard. Just one.

    I'll save you the reply. You can't. Because there aren't.

    BYU's starting QBs since 1992:

    John Walsh... bust.
    Steve Sarkisian... bust.
    Kevin Feterik... bust.
    Brandon Doman... bust.
    Lance Pendleton... bust.
    Bret Engemann... bust.
    John Beck... bust.
    Max Hall... nuclear thud.
    Jake Heaps... bust.
    Riley Nelson... bust.
    Taysom Hill... TBA, but likely bust.

    Oh that's right. For some reason you're still pretending like it's 1990. I wonder when you fans will finally start moving into the current era... although I completely understand why you're not. The current age of football has been anything but kind to BYU, so it's just easier to live in the past.

    What a sad state.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    July 17, 2014 10:26 p.m.

    "With the "competition" in the WAC that Taysom and chuckie will face this year, I see them both having big numbers."

    Unlike Utah, which only won 2 championships in 37 years, BYU did quite well in the WAC.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 17, 2014 6:36 p.m.

    @Spokane Ute,

    That's free unearned money you're talking about.

    The role of utah is to lose games.

    It's clear,--the utes can't compete in this conference, but are allowing more teams to become bowl eligible by losing.

  • Eddie Syracuse, UT
    July 17, 2014 1:16 p.m.

    WA Alum&Dad

    "Sitting in a high chair at the "big boy table" may be great for some fans. I'd rather see my team win. But have another PAC-12 sticker if that'll help you sleep better."

    Great quote ! ! ! It reminds me of a toddler who is always at his Mothers apron strings crying for food (money). All the while the grownups eat and talk while the adults just roll their eyes at the child until someone finally puts him down for his nap.

  • Sports Are Great Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2014 12:50 p.m.

    WA Alum&Dad,

    If you haven't noticed, Spokane ute is one of those "fans" who thinks its ok for Utah "fans" to act a certain way but when any BYU fan does the same he gets bothered and throw a tantrum. The feelings are definitely mutual Spokane! Good luck keeping a QB healthy this year!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2014 12:33 p.m.

    @Pac 12,

    Isn't it funny the Big 12 would rather call themselves the Big 12 with only 10 teams rather than look to their default(byU)

    LOL!

    With the "competition" in the WAC that taysom and chuckie will face this year, I see them both having big numbers.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    July 17, 2014 11:38 a.m.

    As far as the subject matter; good for both QB's. Keaton is the best QB in the state, the kid can flat out play. Utha's QB play has been suspect to say the least.

    It sure is easy to rile BYU fans (or Utah Haters is probably ore accurate), just mention revenue, PAC 12 and relavence and watch out. It always seems to be the usual supsects too. That's OK, everyone take a deep breath, keep the forum in perspective, and by all means; have a good day.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    July 17, 2014 11:32 a.m.

    WA Alum&Dad

    Actually it's being paid to be a member of one of the toughest conferences in the country. Personally, I'd rather see my team play the best with an opportunity to go to a big time bowl; and play the best from the other top conferences. If you prefer being the nomad of college football, scramblimg to fill a schedule, playing a weaker schedule; with no chance of going anywhere but the Beach Ball Bowl; good for you. By the way, I've never seen a PAC 12 sticker on any car; or a I love being Independent sticker. I also have, and currently live in PAC 12 country. The whole sticker thing really seems to get you upset though. Who gives a rip what stickers people put on there cars? I could care less. As far as hating, just commenting about the PAC 12 and TV rights; as others have strayed to the PAC 12, Utah conversation. Folks like your self have certainly made me dislike BYU, but hate? Not yet.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    July 17, 2014 11:18 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "The usual suspects can cry and moan about how relevent BYU is..."

    LOL!

    BYU fans don't have to do anything to prove how relevant BYU is; our jealous friends on the hill with their BYU obsession do that for us everyday.

    The truth is, BYU is the standard against which the Utes measure themselves.

  • No playoff for U Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2014 11:04 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    The numbers only prove how undeserving some P5 programs are of sharing in the gravy train produced by the big boys of college football - they don't make U any more relevant than any of the other P5 bottom feeders.

  • WA_Alum&Dad Marysville, WA
    July 17, 2014 11:02 a.m.

    And one last thing, Spokane Ute: "I love the angst of the usual Utah Haters on these threads."

    If I'm not mistaken, this thread was about BYU and Utah State. No mention of Utah quarterbacks here. What exactly are you doing other than hating on other schools' threads?

  • WA_Alum&Dad Marysville, WA
    July 17, 2014 11:00 a.m.

    @Spokane Ute: "The new playoff TV pay outs have been released. Each member of the PAC 12 will split $50 million. That equates to just under $4.16 million for Utah. . . .the numbers speak volumes. Utah is at the Big Boy table. BYU is at the Kiddy table. "

    Translation: "Being paid to lose is better than winning!"

    Sitting in a high chair at the "big boy table" may be great for some fans. I'd rather see my team win. But have another PAC-12 sticker if that'll help you sleep better.

    By the way, I've *never* seen a PAC sticker on a USC, UCLA, or UW fan's car, and I've lived in PAC country for most of my life.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    July 17, 2014 10:34 a.m.

    The new playoff TV pay outs have been released. Each member of the PAC 12 will split $50 million. That equates to just under $4.16 million for Utah. The 3 independents (not including Notre Dame who will get $2.3 million) will slit $922,995. That equates to $307,552. The usual suspects can cry and moan about how relevent BYU is, and Utah isn't, but the numbers speak volumes. Utah is at the Big Boy table. BYU is at the Kiddy table. That's the way it is, no spin required. I love the angst of the usual Utah Haters on these threads. I guess when you can't beat Utah, and you are on the outside looking in; that's the end result. Karma!

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 17, 2014 10:02 a.m.

    Utah State has pushed out Utah for football relevance.

  • UtahUte91 Sandy, UT
    July 17, 2014 9:58 a.m.

    2fer

    "I think Utah has a fair chance to reach a bowl game this year."

    "fair" might be overly optimist - I'd guess that Utah's chances of qualifying for a bowl this coming season are no better than 1 in 3.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2014 9:32 a.m.

    @ Copacetic

    My post with in response to someone else who set the time line as "the past decade". I think Utah has a fair chance to reach a bowl game this year. They aren't as far away as many people think.

  • Cletus from Coalville Coalville, UT
    July 17, 2014 6:41 a.m.

    Wilson is real good.

    Go Utes!

  • cougar76 Raleigh, NC
    July 16, 2014 10:25 p.m.

    Looking forward to the Oct 3rd USU vs BYU game. It will certainly be the game of the year in the State of Utah. As for the u-trolls commenting on an article that has nothing to do with their school, you should be more concerned that the u will still be playing qb by committee again this year.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    July 16, 2014 9:01 p.m.

    @Ekute

    "Have you ever heard of Alex Smith? Brian Johnson? Scott Mitchell?"

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    Umm...nooooo....did they play with Red Grange or Knute Rockne?

    Hooray Pac12! Go Pac12! Kick some heiny Pac12! Yayyyy Pac12!

  • BlueNtheFace Rancho Cucamonga, CA
    July 16, 2014 5:50 p.m.

    ekute: "BlueNtheFace, Have you ever heard of Alex Smith? Brian Johnson? Scott Mitchell?"

    Good call, ek. Alex finished 4th in the 2004 Heisman race, and he and Scott got drafted into the NFL. Certainly national attention. I got caught up in the rivalry smack there for a moment. Carry on.

    Go Cougs, Go Aggies! ;)

  • tinplater scottsdale, AZ
    July 16, 2014 4:04 p.m.

    @ekute
    I wouldn't bring up Utah quarterbacks in a BYU discussion (by the way you forgot Lee Grosscup). The Y has had an amazing list of NFL qb's earning them the name "quarterback U" from the national media along with Penn State as lineback U. But the important issue, right now, is that Utah is in a precarious QB position, where both USU and BYU have strength at that position.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    July 16, 2014 3:43 p.m.

    twofer

    Unfortunately for U, with the advent of the playoffs, "bcs" will become a meaningless term, and the "past 10 seasons" will start in 2005. With Utah's quickly fading program failing to qualify for a bowl for the third straight season, Utah's list of achievements the "past 10 seasons" looks like this:

    6-1 in bowls, 3 straight losing seasons, 2 AP Top 25 finishes, 1 11+ win season

    compared to

    8-2 or 7-3 in bowls, 10 straight bowls, 4 or 5 AP Top 25 finishes, 3 or 4 11+ win seasons

    Utah's twin flash-in-the-pan seasons are quickly fading into the past and the Utes are becoming nothing more than another perennial P5 bottom dweller no better than the Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Duke, Wake Forest, NC St., Virginia, Iowa St., Kansas, Purdue, Rutgers, Illinois, Minnesota, Indiana, Maryland, Washington St., California, and Colorado teams common-tator listed.

  • Copacetic Logan, UT
    July 16, 2014 3:36 p.m.

    @ Two For Flinching:

    If you go back far enough in football history, Utah did show some pretty positive things relative to getting into and winning BCS games. Sadly, those days are getting further and further back in the rear view mirror.

    It's now been multiple years since Utah has even had a winning season, let alone qualified for or played in any bowl games whatsoever. But if you want to rest on past laurels, have at it.

    Based on the tough schedule Utah has next season, things aren't going to get better anytime soon. It honestly appears Utah got in over their heads when they joined the PAC12. They haven't done anything to brag about since then. An occasional big-name win, but no consistency nor any winning seasons.

    It really does seem quite sad when fans quit bragging about what their team is doing within their conference and instead can only brag about belonging to that conference. But playing each season to avoid being the very bottom basement team truly does not impress anyone.

    Kyle is a nice enough guy. I hope he eventually figures out how to turn things around.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    July 16, 2014 3:22 p.m.

    @ Common-Tator

    You don't think Utah has done more in the last decade than Utah St, Northern Illinois, San Jose, Fresno St., Tulsa, Houston, BYU, Cincinnati.

    In the past 10 seasons Utah went 7-1 in bowl won two BCS bowls. The list of teams you provided, except maybe Boise, can't touch that.

  • Common-Tator Saint Paul, MN
    July 16, 2014 3:05 p.m.

    I believe Stringer Bell has highlighted the potential demise for the current college football scene. The bowl finance inequity between schools based purely on association rather than performance can and likely will be challenged (Utah's state senators were headed that direction just a few years back). I don't believe any rationale person would argue that Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Duke, Wake Forest, NC State, Virginia, Iowa St, Kansas, Purdue, Rutgers, Illinois, Minnesota, Indiana, Maryland, Washington St., Cal, Colorado, and yes sadly, Utah (and one could make similar arguments for a handful of other "Power 5" teams), have consistently been better on the aggregate for the last decade or more than UCF, Boise St., Notre Dame (though they are regularly lumped in former group), Utah St, Northern Illinois, San Jose / Fresno St., Tulsa, Houston, BYU, Cincinnati, etc. As displayed by perhaps the least biased ranking (Sagarin) over the last 15 years, while there have been outlier years, many "non" teams have outplayed the "in" teams. It will be interesting to see how this plays out again this year ... both for teams and individuals.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    July 16, 2014 2:36 p.m.

    Stringer Bell

    What difference does it make how much the bowls pay if Utah isn't good enough to qualify for one?

    Do you really think that adding another leather couch or two to Utah's football training center is going to make any difference to your bowl week couch potato experience?

  • IRS Agent PROVO, UT
    July 16, 2014 2:28 p.m.

    It's funny how most fans cheer for their "team", not for their conference. Pointing out how many other teams in your conference have someone on the list only serves to underscore the fact that your team doesn't. Nothing like pointing out your own deficiencies in the most crucial position on the field. I suppose when your team doesn't produce, you have to beat your chest about how amazing the other teams (your foes) are. I guess in some twisted way you can argue that it makes your team look better than they really are.

  • Stang08 Southern, UT
    July 16, 2014 1:09 p.m.

    @AggieAlum

    Assuming Keeton makes it to October.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    July 16, 2014 12:37 p.m.

    Go get 'em Chucky!!

  • Stringer Bell Henderson, NV
    July 16, 2014 12:22 p.m.

    Re: Copacetic "The days of eking out those single-digit, one-score games while giving up more yardage are now long gone."

    What's your point? BYU hasn't beaten Utah by more than a touchdown in more than 18 years. After four in a row it's time to move on.

    BTW, did you see the news on future bowl revenues for the big boy schools? Their conferences get to divide $50 million each.
    Notre Dame gets $2.3 million and BYU and the rest of the independents get to divide $900,000 between them. Yeh, that's being relevant.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    July 16, 2014 12:00 p.m.

    Another no-news article about BYU brings a slew of Utah "fans".

    Personally, I think Hill has the goods to get a Davy or even a Heisman. But (1) he's gotta stay healthy (2) he has to hit 70% of his passes (3) his team has to WIN.

    Hill reminds me of Mike Trout. Big, strong, and talented. Seems to be centered. If he improves as much as Young did from his Soph year to his Junior year, Hill will be on a lot of lists. Of course, we can't compare Hill's performance levels to Trout, who is the best player in baseball, but Hill has the body.

    We'll see if he has all the tools. If so, BYU is back in the quarterback business.

  • Copacetic Logan, UT
    July 16, 2014 11:45 a.m.

    Too bad the Utes got nervous about playing the Y this coming season and backed out of their contract. Many of us were really looking forward to that game, even if the Utes weren't.

    The days of eking out those single-digit, one-score games while giving up more yardage are now long gone. The Ute athletic director recognized that fact and made the appropriate switch in their schedule. It looks better to national football pundits to lose to Michigan than to BYU. Kudos to him for recognizing perceptions.

    Those two programs are headed in opposite directions. Which team plays in post-season and which one doesn't (once again) will remind everyone which direction it is that each program is headed.

    Whittingham won't show the courtesy to release those players who now see the handwriting on the wall and are trying to jump ship. It appears to be a case of spite. Apparently, he's going to try to pull as many down with him as he can.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    July 16, 2014 11:15 a.m.

    ekute

    "Have you ever heard of Alex Smith? Brian Johnson? Scott Mitchell?"

    Yep, just like every Utah QB before or since, none of them won the Davey O'Brien Award, which is the subject of this article.

    In fact, no Utah player has ever won a national individual award of any kind.

  • Benderman1 Layton, UT
    July 16, 2014 11:12 a.m.

    Any change to the Ute uniforms will be welcome. They have been trying to get too fancy and look too much like pajamas.

  • Little Pete South Jordan, UT
    July 16, 2014 10:54 a.m.

    Look at all those PAC 12 quarterbacks on the list! Too bad the U is gonna have to take them all down! #FutureRoseBowlChamps.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    July 16, 2014 10:44 a.m.

    @ Kralon

    Nobody loves those.

  • WhoRtheUtes??? Elko, NV
    July 16, 2014 10:33 a.m.

    Pac 12 has the majority of their schools QB's on the list. Fantastic, as they join two from the great State of Utah. There are in good company.

    Sorry ute's, again the national media has spoken and the ute's, AGAIN left wanting....

  • ekute Layton, UT
    July 16, 2014 10:30 a.m.

    BlueNtheFace,

    Have you ever heard of Alex Smith? Brian Johnson? Scott Mitchell?

  • Aggiealum Eagle Mountain, UT
    July 16, 2014 10:19 a.m.

    The Taysom Hill .vs. Chuckie Keeton quarterback battle will be an awesome matchup this October. Look forward to the game.

  • BlueNtheFace Rancho Cucamonga, CA
    July 16, 2014 10:15 a.m.

    Nice bitter and jealous comments by the Ute fans. lol.

    "Go anyone who plays byU"
    "Go Aggies. Go Utes."

    Sorry guys. Maybe someday you'll have a good to great QB who makes some national news.

    Go only BYU.

  • Levin Reno, NV
    July 16, 2014 10:12 a.m.

    Number of Davey O'Brien preseason QBs on 2014 schedules:

    Utah: 8 (All the Pac 12 QBs, less Cal, but plus Michigan)
    BYU: 5 (Houston, USU, Nevada, BSU, Cal)
    USU: 3 (BYU, CSU, BSU)

  • Kralon HUNTINGTON BEACH, CA
    July 16, 2014 10:07 a.m.

    BTW, I too love the new, spiderman themed, uniforms!

  • Kralon HUNTINGTON BEACH, CA
    July 16, 2014 9:56 a.m.

    wow, the PAC-12 has 8 QBs on the list, way to go PAC-12!

  • ekute Layton, UT
    July 16, 2014 9:43 a.m.

    Here's hoping that the Aggies have an outstanding season and Chuckie is a finalist for the Heisman. Go Aggies. Go Utes.

  • PAC 12 member by default! Harrisville, UT
    July 16, 2014 9:39 a.m.

    Congratulations to all of the players from all Utah teams selected for preseason honors and award watch lists.

    And congratulations to the Utes on their awesome new uniforms.