I still do not respect Obama. He golfs during crises, did nothing regarding
Benghazi, allows illegal aliens to cross the borders unchecked, blocks the oil
pipeline, issues unconstitutional executive orders, and otherwise tramples on
the Constitution, which the Latter-day Saints hold sacred. (Doctrine and
Covenants 98: 5-7) I have no more respect for Obama than I do for Karl Marx,
whose ideology Obama follows.
As a religious person I do like the things you mentioned about the President -
especially Obamacare, that is the major reason I voted for him. However,
unfortunately he has lost me by his support of SSM. As a family man he should
realize that the best environment to raise and nurture children is in a home
with a mother and a father. This is such a fundamental factor in the success of
children that it really overshadows the other positive attributes the President
has. Some things just are not equal and never will be.
silo-You are correct. I should have researched the quote further. He
was actually talking about sex education and not his pro-choice stance. The only
thing I heard on TV was the statement listed below and assumed he was expressing
his opinion on being pro-choice. I apologize for that.Once I found
and read the transcript online, the feelings I expressed in my earlier opinion
are the same. I don't agree with his stance on sex education. The words he
used when speaking about promoting contraception was, "I don't want her
punished with a baby!".These words offended me now as they did
back then. Yes, I can see how someone would think that they are being
'punished' with a baby if they are too young to care for it, but the
way he made me feel is that it was the baby's fault, not the choices the
mother made leading up to it.A big proponent of liberalism is not
only being pro-choice, but taking personal responsibility out of the equation.
This is fundamentally against the doctrine of the LDS church.
The president is a great father but does not want his daughters punished with a
baby. He respects religion but has no problem mandating that religious people
pay for abortions and wants to force society to accept gay marriage. His view of
Christianity (collective salvation) is very different than most.While President Obama may be a very nice person, I cannot disagree with him on
any policy issue without some administration surrogate asserting I only disagree
with him because I am a racist.The guy who gets drunk and runs over
you children may be a wonderful family man but I would not give him my car
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Professor Davis, I have read your commentary and I give you a grade of
"F." Your directive "cherry-picking" of subjects about President
Obama or inferred by you that he is a "good father", that he is
respectful to the LDS faith because he has invited President Ucthdorf twice to
the White House for religious discussions, and that President Obama is a
"religious person who has committed himself to Christ" is deceptive at
its best in your attempt to mask and to ignore the corrupting and cancerous
policies and practices that are being imposed upon the citizens of this nation,
thus the citizens becoming more dependent on the government, which President
Obama and all those who support him want to see happen. That is by design. It is
an insult that you accuse members of the LDS Church as using his race in
evaluating President Obama's performance as President. I for one do not use
race or religion in determining the integrity of any individual but what they
say and do. I know people of all faiths, races and no faith and they are all
worried the path that President Obama has set in motion.
To All that Hate Obama,Your hatred for President Obama proves your
failure to wake up during the Bush years. The 400 plus scandals and constitution
violations was a big joke for you as Bush leans over the podium and says "I
don't see what the problem is? They are just doing jobs Americans
don't want."Your new found love for Snowden proves how asleep you
was when Homeland Security and PATRIOT Act was enacted! Now we have the huge
illegal invasion from the south and YOU ALL scream and point fingers but you are
also the same people who support this invasion during the Bush years as a
humanitarian and profited from the glut of cheap labor. If you blame
Obama than look in the mirror and blame yourself!
I love the letters from all the faithless people with the attitude of "Mitt
didn't win so I want to see this country fail."
I realize I am a little late, but this is a great article and very much
This writer is incredibly uninformed.
Being a good father. a man of faith, and promoting health reform doesn't
make you a good President of the United States anymore than it makes you a good
CEO or football player or business owner or...
Nice article. I didn't vote for him, but I'm glad you bring up these
Please explain his 20 years as a parishioner in Trinity United Church of Christ,
and an adherent to the teachings of Jeremiah Wright.Thank you
Richard Davis, I don't think so. You have been in the classroom way too
long with the adoring young minds.
This article reflects to what extent Professor Davis lives in a bubble as well
as his lack of critical thinking. Outside of the facade presented to the
public, we have no idea what kind of father Obama is. The ideas transmitted to
your children may be more important than the fact that you sit down to dinner
with them every evening. The ultimate costs of Obamacare have not kicked with
several elements of the law being postponed. Finally, any man who would take
his family to Jeremiah Wright's church for twenty years and call the right
reverend Wright his spiritual mentor........well need I say more. Finally, with
this planned "immigration crisis", Obama has showed himself to be a
traitor to the nation; he will risk our cultural and economic foundation by
importing thousands and thousands of illegals, all in order to more Democrat
vote, cause he and the fed government are giving away "free stuff", to
Dear Professor Davis,Had a student in one of your classes written
the opinion piece (to which your name is attached) what grade would you have
given him/her? Currently, even prominent liberal Constitutional scholars
question President Obama's overreach...How can a "family man" not
defend the Defense of Marriage Act? How can a president who believes in agency
force ObamaCare, or something similar, on everyone? How can the president flame
that there is not a smidgen of wrong doing on behalf of the IRS targeting
conservative groups...? How can a great president "lead from behind"
which is no leadership at all? How can someone keep golfing and going on donor
money solicitation trips for the Democratic Party while the world is falling
apart? A person in power who regularly chastises those he expects to work with
him is not a team builder! I could go on and on, Professor Davis. Perhaps you
should read several news outlets every day to get a better handle on why a
segment of society does not find much to admire about this president. As a
matter of fact, in reading the Book of Mormon, our time is very Book of
Professor Davis, President Obama is a dissembler of the first order. Hardly a
value any Christian would endorse. It's hard to admire someone with such a
fundamental gap in virtue.I voted for him in 2008 because he seemed
very moderate. Then he was promising to cut the deficit and debt in half, which
5 years later we see was a premeditated lie used in order to get elected. He was pro-traditional marriage; now he wants marriage
"equality," as if that phrase were not an oxymoron. If he is such a
great scriptorian, why doesn't the story of Sodom and Gomorrah influence
his position on so called "gay" marriage? Now with the
Bergdahl prisoner exchange, he committed a felony. Not a "smidgen" of
evidence of IRS wrongdoing? Benghazi? And dozens more...You
applaud him for spending time with his kids instead of attending to presidential
duties? He was elected President! Washington sacrificed years away from his
family serving this country, now we're supposed to laud Obama for being
selfish with his time? Maybe he should try playing less golf. Thinking
Americans, unlike you, use a different standard to evaluate their president than
their next door neighbor.
@BobKI don't have a high opinion of President Obama, not because of
anything other than his failed policies and overreach.A. Ridiculous that
you would attribute that to everyone. The one and only laudable thing Mr Obama
has done is get elected, thus breaking the "white men only" tradition of
the Presidency.B. One ignorant person saying that doesn't mean
everyone is saying that.C. You need to slap your cousin.D. Socialism
is where government controls the production, wages and opportunity. Social
Security and Medicare are supposed to be safety nets, not hammocks.E. Are
you projecting your feelings?I cannot understand how numerous people
have articulated the reasons not to like the policies of this administration,
yet all some folks hear is racism. I think the fault lies with the person
hearing, not the person saying in this matter. No matter how well or how often
the reasons are enumerated about the policies, some just cannot accept anything
but race as the reason. Sad, very sad. It shows a limited understanding of the
policies in question.
Actually as bad a President Bush was, Obama is much worse and even more divisive
than President Bush is. I don't listen to talk radio, either liberal or
conservative because both are biased to one degree or the other. Truth be said,
the truth is some where between the two. That being said I would have voted
against Social Security, though in a few years I may be able to partake of this
though my Military Pension and Retirement funds will be more than enough to give
me a good living bar a total collapse of the economy which unfortunately will
probably happen before 2016. For those contemplating the low
unemployment rate did you know that a retire member of the Military is unable to
draw unemployment because of his pension payment. Considering where a veteran
may sit some can't draw unemployment thus not on the rolls. Thus the
unemployment numbers are actually deflated at best.Obamacare is a
nightmare to say the least especially all of the statistics mentioned but the
left refuses to listen. We can no longer be an isolationist country
unfortunately many democrats and some republicans are just that.
Sometimes people cannot articulate thier deep feeling clearly, so they divert to
some trite answer they heard someplace."He was born in
Kenya" --for the true feeling, chose between:A-- "I just cannot
accept that White Male America is no longer in charge"B-- "The
curse of Ham still seems true, in the back of my mind""He is
a Socialist"C -- Let me quote my own cousin: "When the Blacks get
in, they give everything of ours away to the other Blacks"D-- "I
am going to ignore that Social Security and Medicare are socialism because I
want them.""He is always on vacation, playing golf, etc"
-- even though GWB was 40$ gone.E-- "I just want to dislike him, so I
am going to grasp at any and all nonsense I read or hear on talk radio"As Christians, are we not supposed to love everyone, to try walking in
their shoes, to refrain from harsh judgments, and allow that those who differ
might be right?As Americans, are we no longer trained to speak
respectfully of the President?And if we look for the President who started
all this animosity, it was Richard Nixon, not a Democrat.
SteamRoller...Your FACTS are incorrect... The Reason GWB has not attended
any GOP conventions is very simple, he does not want to be in the spot light any
longer. As he put it "It is time for someone else to shine".You will also notice that he says very little about how well of a job Obama
has done. The reason? He understands better than all the DN posters, exactly
what that job entails. He has been a class act since leaving office (with
regards to Obama).But you look at the "Job" Obama has done,
YES he is the worse President in modern history. You complain about Bush going
from a "Surplus" (Which is not True) to a Deficit. But then you forget
the DOT com bubble burst, 9/11 and the bank failing all within the first year of
his term. Those things hit the "Surplus" hard. Second, It was CONGRESS
that spent the money, not Bush.But Obama has put more money in the
Deficit side of the equation than all the other President combined.Bush was no saint, he spent too much and did not think things through (In my
Opinion), but Obama is simply reckless.
Elkman 11: "Single payer, which would have been better for everyone."The VA system is basically what a single payer system would be like.
Except imagine the VA system for the whole country; if the folks in charge
cannot get it right for a few of us (the vets), how do you think it will be when
it is for all of us? BTW I have friends in Canada who tell me to run away from
single payer. They have experienced it and they know. Read some of the horror
stories from England sometime.
I have no doubts the president is a good family man and father. I have no
doubts he does what he thinks is right. I just don't agree with his
politics...period. It's that simple.
I truly wish this page had a Down button and an immediate reply. But then I
would have been hear all day disputing all the Fox News (falsehoods) talking
To "Flashback" actually, according to the various Naturalization Acts
that have been passed Obama is a natural born citizen even though he only has 1
parent that was a US citizen. The law only states that the father has to have
resided in the US, and does not require both parents to be citizens. Just read
up on the various Naturalization Acts that have been passed before you go down
the rabbit hole of if Obama is a natural born citizen.I do agree
that Obama is the worst President that the US has ever had in my lifetime.
RedShirt in your example, Cruz is a citizen because both of his parents were
citizens. In Obama's case, only one was. Therefore the natural citizen
exception doesn't apply to Obama because only 1 parent was a citizen. Both
have to be. Until I get definitive proof however that he wasn't born in
the US. I'll consider him to have been born in HI. However he's
still the worst President in my lifetime. He just passed Carter. That's a
lot of not doing a good job to pass Carter.
82% of LDS people do not approve of President Obama for many reasons. To name
but a few: His shift in policy away from Israel, his support for a dictator
overthrowing a pro-western election in Iran, his refusal to condemn attacks on
Christians in Tunisia, decreasing our military and nuclear capability,
projecting weakness and abandoning our allies in Ukraine, Syria and Egypt,
spying on our allies, forcing a partisan socialist healthcare law by selling it
with lies, lying about the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi for political
gain, lying about the end of Al Qaeda, using the IRS to target political
opponents (and subsequent cover up), neglect of the VA healthcare system,
playing politics with the current immigration crisis when he didn’t bother
addressing it once during his first two years (when he had control of both
houses), stoking race relations by inserting himself unnecessarily into Trayvon
Martin and Henry Lois Gates issues, spending more tax money on Planned
Parenthood than any previous president, fueling class envy with tired rhetoric
about the rich paying their “fair share”, increasing our national
debt more than any previous president, and his connections to communist and
anti-American mentors throughout his life.
Mike from S.J. You hit the nail square on the head and I agree with you 100%.
I am not surprise by all the negative responses to this GREAT article. Remember
the ACA was a Idea from the (right) Heritage Foundation. This was a compromise
from Single payer, which would have been better for everyone. What gun control
measures have been enacted, in spite of all the almost weekly gun rampages?.
Then don;t forget the economic mess left by W, And the recovery we are
experiencing. Get over your hate or a President that will go down in History as
one of the GREATEST Presidents.I will give you a pass and believe your
hate is not based on racism.
Obama's NSA spied on Americans and allied leaders. What did the IRS do? Why
was Ms. Lerner's computer hard drive replaced? Coincidence? What happened
at Benghazi embassy? Obama's same-sex marriage stand does not harmonize
with LDS members and many Christians. Obamacare could have been better with
bipartisanship (like Romney's collaborative effort with Massachusetts
Democrats). Many Utahns and Americans had their employment reduced to under 30
hours weekly avoiding mandated health care insurance coverage by businesses.
(See school aides in Utah for example.) Obamacare isn't cheap--a friend
(single, healthy 29-year old) pays over $7,000 yearly with high deductibles and
poor coverage. Why delay employer mandates and other portions of Obamacare?
Maybe due to diminished Democratic hopes in 2014 Congressional elections?. Why
so many underemployed? Why have so many unemployed left the job market not
looking for work? Consider the growth in the national debt (nearly 50
percent--about $8 trillion). Compare Obama's spending to previous
Presidents. Does Obama's far-reaching use of executive orders concern
anyone? What about weakening relations with Israel and other key allies? What
about weeks/months of waiting to deal with the BP oil spill, the Keystone
pipeline, or the current immigration issue?
This guy doesn't understand the political implications of his religious
affiliation any better than Mitt Romney does. The statements regarding the wars
in Iraq and Afghanistan however as well as about Obamacare are blatantly false.
wrz says she has a copy of a birth certificate from Kenya and it "looks
authentic".The Kenyan government has stated categorically that
there is no evidence that Obama was born in Kenya. It's easy to make an
authentic looking certificate--the Nigerian scammers are well known for
producing certificates that purport to show millions of dollars in bank
accounts, which you can access for only a few hundred dollars wired to somebody
Perhaps you are right. But I find it hard to understand how someone with an
advanced degree in Political Science can believe that America needs to be
remade. Into what may I ask. Can you also believe that "I have a pen and I
have a phone" is the way the founding fathers intended this nation to be
governed? History is littered with your definition of "good men" who did
great damage to this country and world. To find them you need only look to your
own state house and Washington, D.C. Being a good father and friendly to the LDS
Church are fine qualities but does it mitigate the misbehavior of the man? After
all you have 2 individuals under indictment who are good fathers and members of
the Church. Your logic escapes me.
The President that Davis describes in his article is not the President I know
through studying his presidential speeches, policies and behaviors.
You know, Most of the LDS in Germany also respected Hitler and ratted out those
who didn't. Heinrich Hubner in particular didn't respect Hitler and I
believe someone in his own branch told reported him to the Gestapo. Obama/Bush
supporters would do the same.
When he leaves me alone, closes the NSA spy centers, repeals the Patriot Act,
Ends all the wars and blow up the bases for good measure, abolishes the DHS,
Ends the Fed, Then I will appreciate him. But he is a Gadianton Robber, His job
is to overthrow the freedoms of people here and overseas. He has passed the
point of no return.
tbright writes, "This man is dismantling all that we love and respect about
our country and replacing it with socialist programs."The names
of the "socialist programs" that Obama has put into effect that have
replaced "all that we love and respect about our country"?I
can think of one thing Obama has put into place--Health Care Reform. This evil,
socialist program (which was a copycat of the evil, socialist program that
Romney put into place in MA) did, indeed, replace the loved and respected
insurance programs which dumped you when you got sick, refused to cover you if
you had a preexisting condition, and capped benefits at ridiculously low limits.
In 2008, my son's Rx benefit was $2000--he maxed out four months into the
year. In 2012 he couldn't get an individual plan with Rx coverage at ANY
price. Now he is covered in full. Do you weep for the old system?
Did you love and respect it? I didn't and I don't. Thank you,
Yes, employment is down to 6.1% but they are no longer counting those who are
not longer looking for work which makes the 6/1% a very disingenuous statistic.
Say about 92 million unemployed are no longer being counted. You throw them in
and the actual unemployment rate approaches 14%. Yes, Obama is doing real well
in the unemployment department.The left brands any opposition to
Obama as hate. They ought to look at comments from 2000 to 2008 from the left.
For a supposed good Mormon Harry Reid spouted all kinds of vitriol at Bush.
Much of it lies. We'd expect that from Ted Kennedy, but not from Brother
Oh by the way, Davis said that he spends more time with his family. I know of
several trips on the taxpayer dime that he didn't go on. He also seems to
golf more, especially at times he should be home monitoring things.
Pragmatist, the article just shows the wishful thinking of the left. Mr. Davis
is as uniformed or wearing blinders than he accuses us Mo's who think that
the President is a vary lousy president (Mitt has nothing to do with it) anyway.
They draw near to me with their lips but their hearts are far from me... I am
not sure that Mr. Davis is joking or just delusional. Loathing is what I feel
for the person occupying the White House. This man is dismantling all that we
love and respect about our country and replacing it with socialist programs. If
Mr. Davis actually respects and appreciates he needs to be doing something other
than teaching our children the progressive dogma.
Not all LDS live in Utah. So, while some Utahns may have a negative opinion of
our President, many of us in the wide "mission field" have a positive
opinion of him. We also see that for some reason, when he does good, he is
criticized...when he uses the same mechanisms to achieve policy as a previous
President, he is cursed...the absolute hatred spewed by some shows a lack of any
real desire to arrive at a fair assessment. Far too many "Christians"
are being completely un-Christian, maybe listening too much to pundits who are
working their own agendas for radio and television; creating division and
insult, when should be dialogue and understanding. There is so much about this
President that is good; and he works in the face of hatred that is unfounded on
his actions. Many faithful LDS are GRATEFUL for this President and his love and
support for the average people, the hard working middle class, the working poor,
his commitment to getting us out of wars overseas. God bless you, President
This articles suggests that I should respect this president because he is a good
father, he is respectful to another church, or he is religious. We could say
those things of nearly all past presidents. None of those characteristics are of
first priority when considering who is a good president. A president who will
uphold the Constitution, is honest, knows the limitations of his power, and
proves by his actions that he will consider the safety and protection of
citizens of the United States first-now those are qualities we need. President
Obama has shown over a six year period that he is inclined to do none of those
things. The author of the article is apparently in a position of power to
influence young voters-why not stay neutral if you are in a classroom position,
or at least teach kids to look deeper into issues rather than "vote for him
because he is a nice guy"? Kids who are 19 listen to what comes from their
teachers and sometimes that is not harmless. According to the polls most Utahns,
thank heavens, do not agree with this author and neither do I.
To "wrz" actually Ted Cruz is a natural born citizen, just like Obama
is. The Naturalization Act of 1790 defines what a natural born citizen is. It
states "the children of citizens of the United States that may be born
beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as
natural born citizens." So, Obama meets the requirements of the law, just
like Ted Cruz meets the requirements of the law.
It is very clear that those members of the church who support Obama are
unfamiliar with the doctrine of free-agency, a principle over which a war in
heaven was fought and one over which is now being fought here. This is a
principle that Obama violates with almost every policy he supports. This fact
separates the thoughtful LDS members from the ones who just don't have a
clue. The latter need to read some books from LDS authors and general
authorities : Ezra Taft Benson would be a good start.
The Truth writes, "You like so many on the left and those that hate religion
and the religious, especially Christians and Christianity"And
you have no proof that the person you are attacking hates Christians and
Christianity. All he/she is saying is that our nation is not a religious
theocracy, it is a nation for all people of all religions or no religion. If
you have proof of anything disproving that statement, please present it. And by
the way, the president said "This is not JUST a Christian nation, it is a
nation of …." If you really are serious about presenting an argument
you will actually read the statement in question, not the editing FOX News
version."The article was clearly written by a liberal democrat
professor."This is not an article, it is an op-ed essay
published on the Opinion page pf this newspaper. Therefore it is not surprising
that it expresses the opinions of one person. Why does that surprise you? Why
did you feel it necessary to make that statement?
Interesting comments from all. Lest we forget: our current commander in chief
promised to "fundamentally change" America. In this he has not lied.I'm sorry for those who think being liberal is following the
teachings of Christ. It is akin to doing the wrong thing for the right
reasons.Those who understand the media and compare it to that of
years ago know we have no watch dog national media anymore. We have the Obama
Cheerleader Squads, excluding Fox News. Those who know what real journalism used
to be have to be sick to their stomachs at what passes for news coverage
today.With Obama carrying a record low approval rating in the
country, I'd guess may more than just the LDS are finding his performance
lacking.Without accurate reporting, we end up with what he have today: An
The writers of the Constitution did not intend for it to have a religious tone.
In fact, some of them were not religious men. They all wanted religion separate
from the government. Had our government been as aligned with religion as many
think, and as many try to make it today, I have to wonder if Joseph Smith would
have lasted long enough to finish transcribing the Book of Mormon. Had it not
been for the separation of Church and state to the degree it finally bacame
done--past the Pilgrims and other groups--I don't even know if the
Restoration could have been possible. You see, when religion becomes part of
governing and is in the lives of citizens who do not will it there, freedom to
worship as one wishes is likely to become the first casualty. It is
anybody's guess whose freedom and whose religion is gone first, and sadly,
it can be mine, yours, anyone's. One at a time, it can be gone.
President Obama may or may not be all of those things mentioned. His
incompetence is manifest in the effects on our nation. Is he a good father?
Well we have press releases. Does he respect churches? One supposes that may be
proven by the many exceptions he gave under Obamacare to donors, and yet
religions must sign a paper acknowledging the government has the right with an
exception, and if you are Hobby Lobby? Forget it. I am betting religion like
any other tool is merely that, "a tool". Hardly the actions of a man to
be appreciated for.
@bj-hpAdams' signature was on a legally binding treaty; it was
not an "opinion." The US is a secular country with a secular
constitution built on secular principles.
It's great that Obama does those things for his family. But the
things we, as Latter-day Saints need to look at is the fact that our Declaration
of Independence and especially our Constitution were written by men who God
raised up for that particular purpose. Just like the Bible, the Book of Mormon,
and our other Scriptures that were written by men raised up by God for that
purpose, the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution could be
considered as Scripture.Remember also, Isaiah said that the Word of the
Lord would go forth from Jerusalem and the Law from Zion. We, who live in the
land of Zion have only one Law that was given to us by God, and that we can send
forth. The Constitution for the United States of America.If Obama
finishes the destruction of our God given Constitution, the we have nothing to
send forth and we will have failed in our calling.
I appeciate this article for pointing out some things that are rarely mentioned
about our President, especially here, but good to remember. Interesting that
some mention that we don't elect someone for being a good father or
husband--a valid point--yet don't seem to care that it is mentioned that
the policies also fall short of their expectations, which seem to read much like
a list of some religious expectations of certain faiths. I would suggest that,
indeed, the President does include a very specific faith belief in his policies:
he belief in agency. He does not set himself up as someone who is wise enough to
decide what personal standards others should choose for themselves, and so has
promoted people's agency to decide those things for themselves peacefully.
Yes, you can violate your neighbor's religious codes. He has a right to
also be religous, even if you don't agree with him. Fine. And I'm sure
the President doesn't always do the things he supports others choosing to
do...that's their agency, and his. And why he's at home having dinner
when he has a young family, being Dad.
People attack the man way to much, politics should never be personal. Ever since
Newt Gingrich was in office and Fox News started it's Pravda reporting no
one can do the right thing in politics.
This opinion piece is a complete farce. I can never support this President. I
pray for the country, that we may survive his disastrous policies and
unprecedented reign of destruction on the Freedoms and Liberties of the American
Constitution. I will appreciate the day he leaves office, it should become a
National Holiday of the Celebration and endurance of Freedom.
Even Oprah has bailed on Obama, preferring Clinton instead.
My two cents: Regardless what President Adams says or what he states the United
States of America is a Christian Nation today, yesterday and hopefully forever.
Just as President Adams has his opinion so do I. One of the great things about
Christianity is that it allows for all to live in a nation regardless of what
you believe. We may disagree and even stand but when it comes right down to it,
the Constitution of the United States was inspired by many men. John Adams
disagreed with many aspects of the Constitution and how it became the law of the
land but you ought to really look at what these men did to come up with a
document that all 13 colonies would agree on. If you can't see the
inspiration behind it then I can't ever make a convincing statement. By
the way Adams was a Federalist which in time has become the Democratic Party.
Where Washington would today be counted as an Independent but lean towards the
Conservative side.Yes, regardless what some Presidents have stated
including the new KING in the White House, this is a Christian nation.
Let's face it, Mormons are socially conservative and that is the main
reason they will not support democrats. However there have been a lot of
comments about the president being a socialist and how he redistributes wealth.
Everybody has there hand in the cookie jar but they just do not want to admit
@ Lightbearer So called same gender marriage in the long run has negative
effects on society and the fetus is a person. You were born weren't you?
Were would you be if your mother aborted you? Laws are here to protect people,
Gay behavior and abortion does not just effect the immediate people or victims
for that matter but society as a whole.
@the truth,"To give it any more meaning than that is
wrong."Spin it anyway you'd like but the treaty ratified
and signed by the President was written in pretty straight forward language and
speaks a truth you'd just s soon ignore. The United States of America was
NOT then and is NOT now a Christian nation. Period.
It seems like everything he touches falls apart. The scandals from Benghazi to
the IRS all tell about his character. Now we find out that his administration is
trying to figure out which enrollees are even eligible for Obamacare health
coverage. A new report issued by the Office of the Inspector General (OIG)
admits that nearly 1.3 million Obamacare enrollees, or about 16 percent of the
overall total, cannot be verified for legal status in the U.S. Add that to the
children here illegally who he granted waivers to were rubber stamped. The
administration could not handle the load, and never run full background checks.
It points to a poor administrator and leader. Instead of seeking
input from other sides and doing what's best, he has pushed his agenda
through using executive powers, with no foresight to the consequences.
If you bundled up Prof. Davis' columns and passed them out to the LDS
population of Utah, I suspect he'd receive approximately the same approval
level as President Obama.The commonality between the two (Obama and
Davis) is that they are both pointy-headed academics who THINK they know how to
run the country. Neither has had a significant real-world job in their lives.
They've both been indoctrinated by like-minded professors who are equally
naïve about the leadership required to maintain or improve this country.
My membership in the church is a big part of why I both respect President Obama
as a person and support him as President. I strongly feel that the modern day
conservative movement is inconsistent with the savior's command to love thy
neighbor as thyself. I agree with Elder Marlin K. Jensen's statement that
church member have to pick and choose the good from either political party, and
for me the bad of the Mitt Romney campaign's lack of compassion in its
approach to economics was something I could not in good consience support.
@my_two_cents_worthYou like so many on the left and those that hate
religion and the religious, especially Christians and Christianity,is interpret the treaty.The war against the Barbary pirates was
the USA's first war against radical Islam,and the treaty only
points out the treaty is between nations and not religions, that the US does
government does not represent Christianity.To give it any more
meaning than that is wrong.Regardless, you can hate Obama's
leadership and presidency and not hate the man as father and what not.The article was clearly written by a liberal democrat professor.
Professor, you gave your 3 reasons and got your piece published today and
I'm sure you are very pleased. However, I for one do not appreciate you
telling me what I SHOULD or should not do. Yes, President Obama is quite
charismatic but if you have been following his approval ratings, you well know
they are not gleaming and are getting worse day by day. His dismal ratings are a
direct reflection of his overall performance since he has been in office. This
data is collected nationwide from all Americans and it is extremely damning.
This President is a joke, but there are millions who are not laughing.Our
country is in trouble. Wake up.
I'm heartened by the many well thought out comments here. Contrary to a
couple of liberal accusations, most people haven't been name calling, and
most have stated their displeasure with the President's policies, not
persona. Count me among those who disagree with President Obama. He is quite
likeable and by all counts he loves his wife and children. He's done a
great job of encouraging other americans to do the same. He's a guy who
I'd like hanging out with and drinking a beer with(in my case a root beer).
Having said that, his policy decisions are completely opposite of what I view as
right. At the outset he claimed he wanted to "funamentally transform
America." He is succeeding brilliantly at that as we go spiraling down the
proverbial toilet. I share the disgust of my fellow Utahns and Americans when I
see the president and his cabinet/spokespeople claim that a terrorist attack in
Bengazi came from a video? And he publicly claimed that for wks. after the
event, just to win an election. I'm not as disappointed with the President
as I am with the American people who chose him.
Enough comments have been made so far to help enlighten Mr Davis as to why
Latter-day Saints aren't impressed with and don't support this
president. One of my sons experienced a short-term segment of his life where he
was breaking bones, and getting burnt, bruised, and bloodied. I jokingly told
him that he was a walking disaster area. This president has done
more to bruise, bloody, and burn this nation than any other president. At this
pace, we will soon become just another 3rd world nation. But this is no joke and
nothing to laugh about. He of course knows his support is tenuous,
held up by a few radicals, a media that the public have become increasingly
distrustful of, and those snookered by welfare bribes for votes. And he chooses
bully tactics to deter objection because he's afraid.But there
are enough of us who still believe in the American ideal that, God willing,
we'll rise up even from this tough situation. It might require a little
turmoil, but we'll make it.And I hope we never have another
walking disaster of a president again.
@wrz"I have a copy of his Kenyan birth certificate."You have a copy of a verified and discredited forgery."He went to an Islam Madrasah in Indonesia as a kid."He
went to a PUBLIC Muslim school NOT a madrasa. No particular religion
required."America is as much Christian as, say, Iraq or Egypt is
Muslim""As the Government of the United States of America is
not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion..." Art 11, Treaty of
Peace and Friendship between the United States and the Bey and Subjects of
Tripoly of Barbary, Approved unanimously by the US Senate and Signed by
President John Adams and proclaimed to the Nation on 10 June 1797.
I agree with all three points the Professor makes about the President. That
said I disapprove of his performance as President.It really is hard
to fathom that the good Professor seems to believe there's a 100%
correlation (or close to it) between folks believing the President isn't
performing well in his office and those who dislike or don't respect him
personally.For those of us who respect and/or admire the President,
the Professor doesn't explain how, or why our feelings for the President as
a person would impact our analysis of the President as our President.This isn't the first opinion piece the Professor has written for the DN
with a mushy premise and faulty or unsupported logic.I trust he
expects better from his students.I believe I gave his last opinion
article a C-. This one is no better but I'll have to give it a D because
it demonstrates no improvement over his prior effort.
@ECR:"Apparently the public display of the long and short form of his
birth certificate is not enough to convince folks like wrz."There's enough errors to raise serious doubts."And so I
would asked wrz, 'What, more than those documents, do you have to prove you
are a citizen?'"I have a copy of his Kenyan birth
certificate. Looks authentic... even more so than the certificate he supplied.
Besides, we have his grandmother's statement of where he was born. One
would think she'd know."And any thinking man would admit
that what the president said is true."We've heard a ton of
lies from him... 'You can keep your doctor, most transparent
administration,' to name two.
@JoeBlow:"It is plain and obvious to anyone to spends 5 minutes of
honest research that Obama was born in Hawaii."His grandmother
affirmed his Kenyan birth. I would hope you're not calling his grandmother
a liar."Tell me, will you be as vocal against Ted Cruz if he
runs for president? He was undoubtedly born in Canada."Cruz
can't qualify since the pres has to be a 'natural born citizen'
per the US Constitution."I am not sure that you are not Muslim
either. It would be sad if the LDS had skepticism based on his potential to be
Muslim."Would you have something against him if he was?"Reading his whole speech, it is clear to a 6 year old that what Obama
said is that the US is not ONLY a Christian nation, but a nation of many
religions."He also said if you count the Muslims in America it
would qualify as a Muslim nation.
@my_two_cents_worth:"@wrz - None of the three items you listed are
'justifiable skepticism.' The first two have been thoroughly
discredited to all except the tin-foil hat crowd and he is 100% correct on the
third: the US is NOT a Christian Nation."I have a copy of his
Kenyan birth certificate.He went to an Islam Madrasah in Indonesia
as a kid. You're required to be Muslim to attend.America is as
much Christian as, say, Iraq or Egypt is Muslim. At least it was when
founded.And there's more... He has run up our national debt
more than all past presidents put together.He lied several times
about Obamacare (you can keep your doctor, insurance, etc).He
claimed, when campaigning, that his administration would be the most
transparent. But he won't even let the media see or interview illegals
pouring over our border.He has (illegally) given 2-year amnesty to
millions of illegal immigrants and promised extensions almost indefinitely.He won't wait on Congress to pass laws ('I have a pen and a
phone').There's much more but I'm bumping up against
the 200 word limit.
It is no wonder that Latter-day Saints have a low view of a president who
actively promotes and encourages homosexuality. While ISIS is overrunning the
Middle East and slaughtering thousands Obama attends an LGBT rally in New York
City. He orders US embassies around the world to fly the LGBT rainbow flag
along with the Stars and Stripes. He orders embassy employees to participate in
local gay pride activities. When a famous sports figure announces that he is
gay he makes a personal phone call to congratulate the person for his
"courage". (And, BTW, I didn't get that info from some right-wing
wing-nut web site, but from my local very liberal-leaning newspaper. Or, just go
to www.whitehouse.gov and see the "resources for youth" links he has
there, or see all the testimonials for his "it gets better" campaign.)
This 6.1% unemployment figure that Obama supporters like to quote is quite
deceptive. The number is that low only because of the large number of people
who have simply given up trying to find work. The current workforce
participation rate is currently near the lowest in history. All around where I
live I see businesses that have shut their doors. Many shopping malls are
practically empty. Despite having over 30 years experience with a large company
and having a performance rating at or near the top year after year I was laid
off from my job last year. My wife just lost her healthcare coverage this
month. I have been trying unsuccessfully for months to get new health insurance
for her. Everywhere I turn, healthcare.gov, medicare.gov, my previous employer,
various healthcare exchanges, she seems to fall through one crack or another and
we are told that she can't get coverage. Maybe if she was in the country
illegally, or had a serious pre-existing condition, or was gay... it would be
easier to find coverage.
I would appreciate Barack more...if he would just resign!! A nation can only
take so much pain.
re:LinusGreat comments! Well said!
re:Utefan601. Has presided over the FIRST credit down grade for
America. Which GOP president can you match?2. Has presided over the
LARGEST debt increase in history ... 8 trillion to 17 trillion....more than all
previous presidents in history. Which GOP president can you match?3. Has
been part of more scandals than any previous president ...Fast N Furious, IRS,
VA, Benghazi, Obamacare. Which GOP president can you match?4. Has presided
over the largest percentage of food stamp recipients. Which GOP president can
you match? 5. Has presided over the longest recession. Which GOP president
can you match?6. Will preside over the first US economy where China
overtakes us as the #1 economy. Which GOP president can you match? By the way
this is set to happen this year.7. Has created more world chaos due to
American weakness and has become the LEAST respected US president since WWII
...ask any of our allies. Which GOP president can you match?8. Has THE
worst border control record of any president since WWII - ask any of our border
control agents.... Which GOP president can you match?
I am sorry, but Professor Richard Davis has proven to have an extremely partisan
perspective in the past, and he seems to be increasingly entrenched.Latter-day Saints have been counseled and warned against excessive debt,
abortion, active homosexuality, same-sex marriage, socialism, idleness, the
dole, disobedience to law, and subverting the Constitution.And yet
Professor Davis thinks Latter-day Saints should overlook Obama's part in
the promotion of all these vices because he talks nice, spends time with his
family (one wife and two daughters), and has crippled America's remarkable
healthcare by implementing socialized, micromanaged medicine. Well, my
Latter-day Saint wife and I spend time with our eleven children and forty-six
grandchildren discussing the down-side of Obama's presidency.
I'm sure that given the Pres was a neighbor he might turn out to be a man
to be invited to the barbecue, and it is not his race, that is just nonsense.
However, his leadership policies make him a poor leader for the free world. He
would end up on welfare, his house might be poorly maintained, someone else
would lead the neighborhood in house appearance, Christmas tree decorations and
such. He's just not the kind of man that is a good leader. He might rally a
number of homeowners in contributing to get out the vote, but not growing the
overall conditions for the better.
GaryO-"Contrary to what you prefer to believe, Jimmy Carter was
a pretty good President, given the circumstances of his time in office.""Carter was a much better President than Ronald Reagan, who kowtowed
to plutocrats, lowered taxes for the highest earners, raised taxes for the
middle class, and tripled the debt."Like my therapist said,
'You keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.'It's predicted that the debt will be well over 20 trillion by the time
Obama leaves office (when Bush took office the debt was 6 trillion. When he left
it was 10 trillion. When Obama leaves office it will be a staggering 20+
trillion), our military will be all but disbanded, the USA will be weaker
internationally and only a shelf of itself under Obama, the distrust Americans
feel towards the White House and government in general will be at an all-time
low due to Obama's 'horrendous' leadership, the scandals
Obama's WH has demonstrated has sunk the office of the president to
all-time lows, and on and on.There's not much to brag about
@jasonlivy"I'll never forget when Obama said this in defending
his pro-choice stance"I'm sure you won't. Nevermind
that you completely fabricated his quote, nor that his comment had nothing to do
with abortion, or pro-choice stance. His comment was specifically tied to sex
education, and ensuring that sex education addressed more than simply
abstinence-only standards."His dishonesty knows no
bounds."You falsified Obama's quote and falsely represented
the context of the quote, yet have the gall to accuse him of being dishonest.
Remember that a few years ago, 25% of republicans in Utah voted for Alan Keyes
in the primary election. Many Utahns vote based on values and principles.
Based on the lily-white demographics of Utah, I'd say that any accusations
of racism a (reading between the lines of this article), would be completely
I wholeheartedly agree! I believe in 25 years, when many readers here may well
be facing health challenges, they will be grateful to a President who thought of
the people to make insurance and coverage available. It is my opinion that we
have a great President and he has earned the support of this nation and
Some of the world's greatest despots could pass this test with these
criterion. I think King Noah, in the Book of Mormon could have passed the test
with these criterion.
I'll never forget when Obama said this in defending his pro-choice stance,
'Although we are teaching our daughters to not have sex prematurely, if one
of them gets pregnant, I don't want them to be stuck with a baby!' My
opinion of him has gone downhill from there.I can't imagine
anyone who has paid attention to the news is supportive of Obamacare, especially
a professor from BYU! Not even taking into consideration the fact that we
can't afford it as a nation, the lies that have been told and the
challenges it has created for so many millions of Americans has given us every
reason to adamantly disapprove of Obama! Obamacare needs to be axed and never
mentioned again...His dishonesty knows no bounds. How can we follow
a leader who is completely untrustworthy? He has squandered his opportunity be
someone great and instead has allowed his arrogance and ambition to corrupt his
presidency. History is not going to be kind to Obama...
Hey Tuffy Parker -Contrary to what you prefer to believe, Jimmy
Carter was a pretty good President, given the circumstances of his time in
office.It wasn't his fault that the price of world oil set an
all time high during his administration, thus causing stagflation.And it certainly wasn't to Reagan's credit that the price of world
oil plummeted during his time in office, thus spurring the economy.Carter was a much better President than Ronald Reagan, who kowtowed to
plutocrats, lowered taxes for the highest earners, raised taxes for the middle
class, and tripled the debt.And Obama is clearly a better President
than his Republicans predecessor, who took Clinton's stellar legacy of good
governance, a strong economy, balanced budgets, and a nation at peace . . . And
totally destroyed it.We are certainly better off now under Obama
then we were at the end of GW's horrendous reign of terror.The
Right Wing alternative reality you choose to present has very little in common
with the facts.
5 pages of comments to this point.Yet in every single instance where
someone disagreed with the article, they have supported their disagreement
with...-dislike for things Obama has done that are not unique to
Obama-dislike for things Obama has done that occurred to a larger extent
with previous presidents-dislike for things Obama supposedly has done that
have been proven to be false claims-dislike for Obama based on nothing
more than opinionCall it ignorance, or hypocrisy, or partisanship.
Doesn't matter the cause, the reality is that those opposed to Obama
generally justify it by using a completely different set of standards than have
been applied to other administrations. Their posts can be quickly
flagged by searching comments for the now-common buzzwords like 'supreme
leader', or 'obummer' or 'muslim in chief'.
Fortunately, like online scarlet letters, those buzzwords serve as flags to
thinking/reasoning adults to filter those comments accordingly.
Someone once asked Joseph Smith how he governed so many people. His answer was,
"I teach them correct prinicples and they govern themselves."Barrack Obama does exactly the opposite and explains why Obama is very
unpopular with Mormons!
It's remarkable that Mr. Davis,a BYU professor, is defending Mr. Obama, an
avowed socialist, who was tutored by known Marxists (William Ayers and Frank
Marshall Davis). I don't doubt that Mr. Obama is dedicated to his family,
but he's also dedicated to destroying a Constitutionally based America by
refusing to uphold the laws he gave an oath to defend. While parading as a
Christian, he has conducted an unrelenting attack on Christians, refused to
secure America's borders, usurped the Constitutional Authority of Congress
and other violations of the U.S. Constitution. This is the very man that Pres.
Ezra Taft Benson warned us about. He is the face of the secret combinations and
Gadianton Robbers that currently infest the U.S. Government, our Educational
System and Financial Institutions. Please don't allow the sophistry of men
like Richard Davis to blind our citizens to the reality we face. Now is the time
for all decent Americans to stand against tyrants like Barack Obama and others
like him and cast them out of our society before they destroy our Faith, our
Families and our Freedom which is the birth right of all Americans.
I will match what our duly elected President has accomplished while he has been
in office against any and I mean any Republican. Let's see what has Mike
Lee done? Shut down the government....what has Ted Cruz done...nothing.
I'm so proud of our President, not only as a fine moral person but having
the courage in overwhelming odds to get things done!As for people in
my ward, it is time that we speak honestly and openly as good strong Democrats,
and church members. It isn't a sin to be a democrat. And we need to stop
the hatred in the Church against this President. It is becoming very sad.
@SC Fan -- Have you read Obama's books? I have and I can't remember
him saying that he was a follower of Saul Alinsky. I do know that Sarah Palin
says he is. I wonder if that is where you got your information?? It isn't
from Obama's books. Sometimes you guys have got to fact check a little.
"disappointment over Romney""Utahns’ disapproval
goes beyond the job Obama is doing to the person himself"I
couldn't read past these, as presumably this letter is based on these
assumptions, which are incorrect. From all appearances, Barack is a father who
cares about his daughters and maintains a family despite the stresses and
difficulties of the presidency. That's fanastic! But it's irrelevant
to being president.Amidst his continuous villainizing of everyone
who doesn't support taxes, redistribution, and widespread federal control,
in terms of being president, he's done only one thing for me to appreciate:
showing me how realistic and applicable the Book of Mormon's warning are
about being ruled by kings.
Latter Day Saints would like the President if....1. There were no
Obamacare. This nearly three trillion dollar wealth redistribution scheme has
caused so much pain and suffering in this county thus far with the BIG premimum
jump for most Americans who previously had insurance (2-3 times as high) as well
as the horrible anti-Christian abortion mandates as well as the forced part time
job requirement placed on employers as well as having polititians decide whether
you get that heart valve transplant or if you are just told you are too old and
not worth the cost as well as the "free insurance" given to some while
others have to pick up the tab.....2. There were no scandals ....no IRS
intimidation tactics on conservatives (Mormons) to swing the election, no
Benghazi scandal which left 4 Americas dead , no Fast n Furious scandal which
left a brave border patrol agent dead, no VA hospital scandal which abandoned
our vets....3. There were no ties to Socialism and Communism with the
president....most of his early influences were either Socialist or Communist.4. Wanted a STRONG American not a weak America 5. If he were truthful
This has to be a joke. The reasons why LDS members dislike Obama is because he
hates America. We, as a people, love America. Obama, on the other hand, is
trying to destroy almost everything that is good about America.
SpangsYou question that Obama added 7 trillion to the debt. If so
maybe you had better be the one to check your sources, because even the most
ardent Obama supporters cannot refute that fact.WonderSaul Olinsky and many other hard left people have informed and mentored Obama.
He even admits it in his books. Nothing to dispute there. The difference is,
if a Republican candidate for President had spent time in a white suppremist
church, (as opposed to Obamas black anti American church) he never would have
even gotten the nomination, much less been elected President. Thorn
BirdsThe House passes legislation all the time. Just yesterday they
passed a spending bill. It is Reid the Senate leader that causes the gridlock
by not allowing votes. And Fox news, the bogeyman. If it weren't for Fox
News, many of the Obama scandles would never have been aired. Fox is the only
way people in America can actually hear an opposing point of view to the
slobbering love affair media that worships Obama.
This article says a lot more about Mr. Davis' ignorance of the consequences
of President Obama's actions and policies than it does about why people
should like President Obama. President Obama's disregard for the
Congress, the Supreme Court,the Constitution and his administration's
picking and choosing which laws they enforce are all good reasons why he would
be disliked by all Americans. Obama's well documented practice of using
economic stimulus money to reward his political supporters with billions of
dollars clearly demonstrate his corrupt character. The Obama
administration's bailout of Wall Street banks, Dodd-Frank legislation to
institutionalize "too big to fail", bailout of Fannie Mae and Freddie
Mac and ZIRP demonstrate Obama's clear support for the leveraged trader
greed and corruption that caused the Great Recession. Add in the unprecedented
deficits and Obama's attacks on the First Amendment and you have to wonder
who thinks Mr. Davis is qualified to teach political science in the U.S.
wrz writes - " (1) they're not sure that he was born in America as the
US Constitution requires for presidents, (2) they're not sure if he's
Muslim or not since his ancestry on one side is, and (3) he announces loud and
clear that America is not a Christian nation."1) Apparently the
public display of the long and short form of his birth certificate is not enough
to convince folks like wrz. And so I would asked wrz, "What, more than
those documents, do you have to prove you are a citizen?"2) I'm
sure if you walk the streets of your home in Phoenix you will find people of one
faith whose parents are of another, even some born into and practicing one faith
for a time, before changing their faith to another.3) What the president
actually said was "Whatever we once were, we are no longer just a Christian
nation; we are also a Jewish nation...a nation of nonbelievers." In most
quotes the word "just" has been left off, significant changing the
meaning of his statement. And any thinking man would admit that what the
president said is true.
There are kind and charismatic church leaders, that ended up being child
pedophiles. Just because there are a grand total of 3 items that this person
thinks adhere to the church. That doesn't qualify him to be a friend.So what if he invited Dieter and his handlers gave him some scriptures
to quote. Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi quote scripture that furthers their
agenda. Satan often quotes scripture. Jesus quoted scripture. What's the
point?There are benefits to the ACA. However, there are more cons
than pros. The majority of the country agree with that. That proves LDS people
are ahead of the curve.Since the number of LDS service personnel in
the military is small. There was a small chance of LDS people being harmed in
the wars. Is that a reason to support a president? I guess we could support
any president that is unwilling to fight, and that protects us temporarily.
However, LDS people have been slaughtered at the hands of terrorists. Terrorists
which have become emboldened and have taken over part of Iraq and Syria.Obama has also doubled the debt. Should the teaching of thrift be
considered? Debt is not LDS standard.
Strike 3 WRZ. I would hope that your ALL of your LDS brothers and
sisters strongly reject your characterization for their "skepticism" of
Obama.It is plain and obvious to anyone to spends 5 minutes of
honest research that Obama was born in Hawaii. Tell me, will you be as vocal
against Ted Cruz if he runs for president? He was undoubtedly born in
Canada.I am not sure that you are not Muslim either. It would be
sad if the LDS had skepticism based on his potential to be Muslim.3)
Reading his whole speech, it is clear to a 6 year old that what Obama said is
that the US is not ONLY a Christian nation, but a nation of many religions.You are either unaware or being deliberately misleading.
I'm a strong-in-the-faith, active Mormon. I have liked Obama for a long
time. It was a National disgrace that 20% of the Country did not have health
insurance prior to Obamacare. Obamacare is better than what we had before. I
agree with Obama that minimum wage needs to be raised. If you have college age
children who are working and trying to go to school, the minimum wage issue is
real. People who work full-time should not be living in poverty. He got us
out of Iraq. Good. I disagree with his marriage equality stuff. But, his
economic principles are good and help the middle and lower classes of people.
Thank you Mr Davis. Great op ed piece, Mr Davis. I hope your students at BYU
get a daily dose of your clear thinking. Obama is a good man, that's
#1 when we look for elected leaders. Obama spoke for the rich paying a
higher tax rate, a higher share, Romney said otherwise, I'm with Obama.
Obama works to make the minimum wage a livable wage, I'm with Obama. Obama spoke for all of us to be covered by health insurance and congress
delivered something like that, it was modeled after Romneycare, when Romney
campaigned to end the ACA I voted for Obama to keep (and improve) the ACA. Obama spoke for immigration reform which I interpreted to mean a more
practical path to citizenship or work permits, Romney campaigned for those
people to get to the end of the line. So I'm with Obama. The 3 important
issues of the last election.I am a Viet Nam vet so thank you Obama for
getting our soldiers out of Iraq and Afghanistan and ending bin Laden. Keep
cutting DOD, Obama.
Liberal Larry:Less crime? Not due to Obama. BTW it’s highest in
areas with most gun restrictions. Unemployment is MUCH higher than
you’ve been led to believe. Many have given up looking and aren’t
counted as unemployed. Obama knows this but succeeded in pulling the wool over
your eyes. Also, many new jobs are part time, due to Obamacare.Re:
the budget deficit, Obama has spent more than any other president. This, after
promising to cut the debt. He wasted billions on green jobs scandals like
Solyandra and others. Did you really believe the shovel ready jobs?Re. wars: he pulled out of wars prematurely. Look what ISIS is doing. Also
he’s letting Iran go nuke. Obamacare demonstrates pure
incompetence, and not just the failed website. The VA scandal is a great example
of govt. run healthcare. Beware of “single payer!” BTW Obama
promised to fix the VA back in 2007.Scandals: Fast&Furious, IRS,
Benghazi. Etc.Steve C.Warren: Gridlock’s a wonderful thing
when it blocks bad laws. Without it Obama might be a dictator.Lightbearer: By your logic: If you’re against murder/theft than
Very impressed and heartened that there are many more people posting on the DN
comment boards with factual pro President Obama comments.This has greatly
changed the tone of the DN Forum in the last year or so. So many in
America are realizing the beneficial things our President has done during the
past few years. The majority of Americans understand that "do nothing/NO
Congress is responsible for gridlock. Our President is doing what is best for
our country, despite their refusing to work with him.Unfortunately,
however, Fox News has infiltrated and poisoned the once rational mindset of
many, once moderate Republicans.
I liked the article with one exception - the author assumes that LDS voters
dislike the President personally because they apparently disapproved of him
before he beat Mitt Romney. So, LDS voters disapprove of the president either
because he defeated an LDS candidate or because he's a bad person? Seems a
little narrow - perhaps the consistent disapproval is rather a sign that LDS
voters (who are mostly republicans) have vastly different viewpoints and
opinions and think he's doing a poor job as President. Personally, I have
nothing against President Obama as a person and father. However, I disagree
99.99% of the time with his politics. His political soundbites make me sick. Has
nothing to do with him beating Romney or me having some personal problem with
him. I didn't like his vision for the country in 2008, I didn't like
it in 2012, and I really don't like it now.
If one has a sense of the direction this country is taking, it is frightening. I
find no evidence of action from this president that has helped: 1. to stem the
tide immorality and pornography, save the traditional family unit from
destruction, to end the deadlock in Washington of a congress has become a joke,
3. stop the deteriorating situation in the middle east, 4. stio spending and
stem the rise of our historic debt, 4. improve the poor relations with Russia
and stop its sponsorship of Iran, 5. prevent the collapse of Iraq, 6. stop the
continuing development of nuclear weapons and sponsorship of terrorism by Iran,
7. repair the collapse of any immigration policy which as reached the point
where our borders are being flooded, 8. stop the sponsorship of Common Core
which completely desecrates the history of this nation, 9. allow the exploration
and use of our natural resources to end our dependence on foreign oil, etc.,
etc. What I do see is a president who ignores congress, the constitution, has
experienced a number of scandals, and seems unable to take action on any
critical issue. And those are not the facts of the uninformed.
The wonder of this article is the tone. It seems to be objective, unemotional,
and nonpartisan.All of us are displeased with the bitterness and
dysfuntionality of government. What can be done to soften the tone. Mr Davis
has taken a step to do that. Well done.While we disagree with a
leader, are we required to hate him? Can we oppose vigorously and still respect
our leaders? We must do so or become like petty third rate societies.
Mr Davis,My disapproval of Mr Obama is based on his frequent
disregard for the Constitution and the rule of law. He is doing everything he
can to turn our representative democracy into another failed socialist state.
Referencing your third point, his religion is the virulently anti-american
religion of Jeremiah Wright. Do you really believe that his repect for the LDS
church and his love for his family can offset all of the above. No, I do not
appreciate him. I want Congress to do their duty and impeach him.
@wrzNone of the three items you listed are "justifiable
skepticism." The first two have been thoroughly discredited to all except
the tin-foil hat crowd and he is 100% correct on the third: the US is NOT a
Richard C. DeForrest, why, if people disagree with the president or any other
person does it have to be labeled "hate"? It is not hate to disagree. I
start to feel like this label is used to purposely cloud debate and to create
angst, which is wrong. Isn't thoughtful debate how we can learn from each
To "Richard Davis" Obama was not elected to be Father of the Year. He
was elected to lead the US government and to protect its citizens.What you say about Obama could be equally said about any of the Mafia crime
families, or the family of Kim Il-sung of North Korea.You have good
intentions of showing us an agreeable side of Obama, but the fact is that the
things that matter most to his position as President have little to do with the
points that make.Plus, you ignore the fact that much of what Obama
does and says in public is often designed to make him more likeable to a
particular group. With the countless lies that we have seen him tell the US
about his policies, can we really trust the pictures that we see of him with his
children? How do we know that his kids are not being used as props to make him
look like a good father. He claims to be a good Christian, yet attended a
church for 20 years that taught hatred. Obama has good speech writers, maybe
his speech writers have a scriptorian among them.
I admit I'm no Saul Alinsky expert as many posters on here obviously are,
but I've never heard Obama tout Alinsky's ideas or policies in any
speech. Frankly I don't even know where you get the idea that Obama is a
devotee of the dreaded Alinsky. On the other hand, I sure have heard a lot of
Republicans tout by name avowed Christian despiser Ayn Rand. Why is it ok for
your politicians to be devout followers of the amoral Rand? I can't
understand your hypocrisy. But then again, another one of your heros is drug
addict, serial womanizer Rush Limbaugh, so I guess your piety extends as far as
your politics and no farther.
Re: "Reasons for mormons to not like Obama. Abortion, gay marriage, loss of
personal freedoms, loss of personal accountability, increased taxes, increased
government interference."As if Obama invented abortion and gay
marriage.If you prohibit abortion, that is another personal freedom
lost. That is free agency lost. That is more personal accountability lost. That
is increased government interference.If you are against abortion,
don't have an abortion. Other people - including the government -
shouldn't decide for you, and you - and the government - shouldn't
decide for other people. As it is now, you are free not to have an abortion, and
those who decide to have an abortion are free to do so. Maximum personal freedom
for both sides.If gay marriage becomes legal, and you are against
gay marriage, don't marry someone of the same sex. Other people
shouldn't decide for you, and you shouldn't decide for other people.
You will still be free not to marry someone of the same sex, and those who want
to marry someone of the same sex will be free to do so. Maximum personal freedom
for both sides.
riverofsun: "How will the next President, obviously a Democrat President, be
received and treated by Republicans?"Don't count on a
Democratic victory in 2016.To answer your question: There will
always be conservatives who won't accept a Democrat president no matter how
good a job he/she does - just like there will be liberals who will never accept
another Reagan. But how the general population accepts the president will depend
on what kind of job they do.If the next Democratic president (in
2016 or beyond) chooses to press a far-left agenda no matter how disasterous its
effects; refuses to compromise with the other side even on trivial matters; and
never accepts any blame for mistakes - then they will be just as unpopular as
Our family had high hopes for Obama when he was first elected. We were hoping
for a Frederick Douglas and ended up with Steve Erkle (...did I do that?").
There's justifiable skepticism amongst the LDS for at least three reasons:
(1) they're not sure that he was born in America as the US Constitution
requires for presidents, (2) they're not sure if he's Muslim or not
since his ancestry on one side is, and (3) he announces loud and clear that
America is not a Christian nation.
What ridiculous claims about the stimulus saving millions of jobs. Obama's
actions have stymied a recovery which would have created more jobs. When you
count the number of people who have given up looking for jobs, more are
unemployed in America than ever before. And, Obama's "providing
access" to affordable health care simply shifted the costs of that care to
other citizens. It is part of his grand plan to redistribute income, and force
the more productive members of society into permanent bondage to the less
productive -- and to the totally unproductive.
I am glad that the current POTUS appears to love his father - while I question
the amount of money billed to the government for family vacations.I
also am grateful that he is respectful of Mormons.I question his
faith, however.Mormons believe that this is a land choice above all
other lands (exceptional, yes). Obama does not believe there is anything special
about America. Mormons believe that this choice land is a gift of God and is
associated with a covenant with God - that so long as he give God priority, as a
people, we will be blessed with freedom and prosperity. Mormons believe that
blessings come from God. Mr. Obama appears to believe that blessings come from
The biggest observation I can make by reading all the "Obama haters"
comments, is there total, 100%, lack of integrity it their comments.How can you say and justify your resentment of President Obama -- "He lied, "He is not trustworthy, "He is blah,
blah, blah....And with any sort of sound mind and clear conscious,
give his predessor -- George W Bush a get out of Jail Free
card?Seriously?!Why the hypocrisy?Why the Double
Standard?Why the lack of integrity?
I do agree that the President is a good man. He appears to be a dedicated
father. Unfortunately, a president has be a leader. It is his job to work with
the House and Senate, regardless of what party is holding the majority, to pass
laws and to fix things like immigration reform. President Obama does not appear
to have this ability. Instead, he oversteps his power according to the
Constitution, in order to get what he believes need to be done. I actually feel
sorry for President Obama. Sometimes, I think he believes he's a king. His
word is right, and everyone else.s is wrong.
@LivinLargeBountiful, UTWould I walk across the street to shake
hands with President Obama? ======== Because you [and
others making derogitory comment about him] are already convinced with
deep seeded preconcieved notions that you wouldn't feel his hand
Excellent article, Richard. Not only is the president a good man,
his policies have put this country in a better place. We'd be in much
better shape except for the gridlock caused by Republicans in Congress.
The murder rate, and crime rate in general, continue to fall.Inflation is
continues to be low by historic standards.Unemployment has fallen from 10%
to 6.1% under Obama's watch.The budget deficit has fallen to half the
amount Obama inherited.We are no longer committed to TWO ill concieved
wars.The rate of uninsured Americans is dropping rapidly.The stock
market, and my 401k, are at all time highs.Boy, I know you guys are
sore about Romney's defeat, but your dislike of Obama defies rational
thinking. I didn't vote for George H. W. Bush, but I thought he was a
pretty good president.
I have always admired President Obama as a husband and father. He has a
beautiful wife and children, honestly, he really married above himself.
Unfortunately, many of his political views are far different from mine, and I
consider myself to be a moderate. I really believe President Obama had some
great intentions when he came into office. I also believe he had the ability to
unite the nation, however, he was very unprepared. A few more years in
Washington could have prepared him to became a great president, unfortunately, I
believe history will not look back kindly upon him.
Mr. Davis' opinions of Obama are at the same place my own opinions were at
in January of 2008. My opinion soon changed. I believe Mr. Davis is very slow
to realize certain things, or he has not had the stomach to research some of the
questionable actions the President has taken. I don't believe Obama is a
religious person. I believe he sometimes acts as such, "to be seen of
men." How else could he attend the same church for 20 years but not recall
any vengeful sermons against America"? From my close observations of his
actions, I see that he (and his staff), will say and do anything to achieve his
objectives, regardless of its moral or ethical import. That would include
meeting with Pres. Utchdorf. As a disciple of Saul Alinsky, Obama believes
that, "the ends justify the means." To me, this means that right and
wrong have no meaning for him--the same attitude as Alinsky. Only what he wants
to achieve has meaning. He is an example of Isaiah 5:20.
I anxiously await the election of the 2016 President of the US. Not because I do
not like President Obama, tho.My curiosity is killing me.How will
the next President, obviously a Democrat President, be received and treated by
Republicans?How about by Republican Utah Mormons?Perhaps that will
be when the truth will finally show up?
I feel bad for most of the folks commenting on here. A lot of allegations like
"circumventing the constitution," "racking up the debt 7
trillion," "pro-alternative lifestyle" and so on. Utahns, look into
these allegations. Really look. Don't simply rely on Fox or Drudge or DN to
figure these things out. Listen to other viewpoints. Respect them. See the value
in them.Mark my words: it isn't going to be gay marriage or the
ACA or executive orders that destroy this country. It will be the demonization
and dehumanization of those you disagree with that will make it easy to dismiss
them, imprison them, fight them, or even massacre them.
I am astounded at this opinion piece. These criteria have never been the most
important criteria for evaluating a good leader. Some of the world's most
corrupt leaders loved their families dearly and claimed to be religious.I need a leader who I can trust. One who shows no concern for amassing
an unconscionable amount of debt, who shows no concern for protecting Americans
who died in Benghazi, who blatantly made numerous promises about Obamacare that
were not true has completely lost my confidence.I need a leader who
cares about this country and its people. One who plays pool while a border
crisis facing it's citizens happens close by appears to have no feeling for
others.This president by his actions sends the message that he does
not care about people...only his policies. That's really not acceptable as
the leader of the American people. He has earned distrust by his actions, which
speak volumes about who he really is.
This opinion piece reflects my opinions exactly. Well said.
Obama supporters are right. We should LOVE this president because:1)
He is a good dresser.2) He speaks well, especially when reading stuff off
the teleprompter (even blatent lies).3) He plays a lot of golf (good
excercise).4) He is popular in Hollywood (lots of parties with
celebrities).5) He has never had a failed policy (at least in his own
mind) since someone else is always to blame when things go horribly wrong.Did I miss anything?
Nice piece again, Richard. The hate runs deep in Utah, though. Personally,
although I do not agree with President Obama on everything, the country would be
in far better shape if all his proposals had been passed into law. The blame for
most of what's going on in this country can be laid at the feet of our
"do nothing" Congress. They don't really do nothing. They oppose
anything Obama favors, even if it originated in their own party. Talk about a
bunch of useless hypocrites.
Would I walk across the street to shake hands with President Obama? No! His
inviting President Uchtdorf to the White House twice has more to do with who
President Uchtdorf is rather than who President Obama is. US interests, both
foreign and domestic, are at all time lows thanks to President Obama's lack
of understanding and leadership.
Based on everything that has happened under his watch, Obama is either grossly
incompetent or just plain out to undermine the country. Not sure which, but
neither bodes well.
I agree with this column completely and the comments about Jimmy Carter being
the same. Both great men who did some great things in the White House, but no
perfect by any sense of the word. While not my favorite president,
Obama is certainly better than his predecessor. The Bush administration had us
on a one way ticket to continual war, economic, and environmental ruin. The
worst financial crisis in our lifetimes was started by the Bush Administration
and the war in Iraq which was unfounded, based on false information, has cost
the lives of 5,000 of those who protect our freedom, destroyed many more, and
cost our country trillions of dollars. The current Obama
administration has turned the tide of the economic recession at great cost and
no other alternative and we are headed in the right direction economically.
Obama care is not perfect, but the existing system was beyond broken. Again,
not perfect, but better than what we had. He definitely needs to do more, but
Obama has served our country well.
Strange article. What is the author asking us to do? While I can claim only
knowledge from what I hear about any politician.. not REALLY knowing them or
their private lives, it is impossible for me or any of us to really believe what
we read or hear about anyone. How much influence does the president really
have? How much of the woes of our country do we place on one single man??
C'mon. The woes of this country are not rooted in the presidency. The
woes of our country are rooted in departing from time tested principles of
thrift, honesty and work ethic... in morality and other things... It is in
parents departing the home and leaving the children to be raised by the
entertainment world among other things. This is not the presidents doing. This
is our doing. We are responsible for ourselves and our families. We know that
the family is the fundamental unit of society. Strong families... strong
communities... strong communities, strong nation. That has nothing to do with a
Mr. Davis. So what should Mormons do when they see the WHOLE picture about
Obama? A more dangerous world. A border in chaos. Corruption at the Justice
Department, IRS, VA. 7 trillion added debt. Weak and slow moving economy.
Underemployed part time workers. American family income down. An unpopular
health plan that is not as "Affordable" for many as the previous plan
was (you'd better get your facts straight on the ACA before lauding it).
Out right lies told by Obama and his people to the American people. On and on.
How is a reasonable Mormon supposed to look favorably at that? And by the way,
that stuff about him not going to parties? Where does that come from? He has
partied with Hollywood and others more than any other President, and he has
attended about 400 fundraisers. Bush at this point, had attended about 200 in
comparison. It's the whole package that matters, and this President is not
someone to be admired just because he is a father. Presidents need to be much
more than that.
Beart, Does Jesus espouse liberal ideas? Yes and no. Liberals claim to
care for the poor, for example, and so did Jesus. But Jesus asked US,
personally, to care for the poor and to have charity, not to have obligatory
taxes so an impersonal government can care for them. The war on poverty has been
a major cause of the breakdown of the family, since welfare replaced fathers.
This may not have been the intended consequence, but it was the consequence
nevertheless. Did you know that studies have shown that conservatives donate
significantly more to charity than liberals? This is probably because liberals
figure they are already donating through their taxes. But government handouts is
not real charity. Furthermore, whatever the government does is full of fraud,
waste, and abuse. Watch the news and see all the inefficiency and waste that
goes on, and all the unintended bad consequences of big government programs.
In his first term as president of USA the president addressed the schools and
reitereated what has often been said in Utah about the importance of education.
The schools in our local area forbid the principals to paly that to the students
for fear of....I am not sure what.If you read or listen to that talk
today it could have come from the podium in SLC but it was kept back from the
black man who beat Romney.Where I work there is animosity about
having a black man as president and this was not addressed in the article, and
this causes more fear and loathing for what might have been a great presidency.
the people seem to think the more they hate or despise him the better that makes
them as member of the GOP or members of a church I am not sure.I do
know that all his ideas are not bad, not great but not all bad. I thnk that
prejudice and party allegiances keep that from being recognized,
Reasons to like Obama. He is intelligent, has a great sense of humor, is a
great speaker, and is an excellent politician. Unfortunately, he has really bad
ideas. Reasons for mormons to not like Obama. Abortion, gay
marriage, loss of personal freedoms, loss of personal accountability, increased
taxes, increased government interference.
Most LDS people are so deeply rooted in the principles of "right and
wrong" that they are forced to dislike President Obama by their own
minds.They spend their lives trying to be "right" in all
they do. "Be ye therefore perfect.." So as a result they view
'opposite' views as wrong... no matter what! Unfortunately that
view/mindset spills into politics.LDS people who are Democrats are
the same 'extreme' towards their people, as Republicans are to theirs.
It's about the search for perfection... and "no man can serve to
masters" So if you're a LDS Democrat in your mind.. only Dems are
right. If you're an LDS Republican... only Reps are right... All
BTW -- I "appreciated" GW Bush for 8 years while I watched
in horror of what he did, without making it a full-time job or
self-appointed duty to destroy him or this NATION !And THAT is my
beef with the Neo-Cons Mormons here in Utah!Those who are constntly
putting their PARTY, ahead of America, ahead of their Church, and ahead of what's right over what's wrong.Their
un-wavering defense of Swallow and Shurleff is fine example of that.
Hitler liked dogs and was personally kind to children as well. He treated Eva
Braun quite well too. Should we venerate and reverence him? Goebbels was a
very good father and family man, and the Goebbels children were well liked by
all. By the standards of this article and the modern American left,
that excuses all of their policies, correct?
Daniel Ben,"....He [Obama] is a family man who does not
understand the true meaning of family. He promotes the "alternative
lifestyle" which, if practiced by too many, would eradicate
you’re alluding to Obama’s advocacy of gay rights and same sex
marriage. By all accounts I’m familiar with, the President and First Lady
have always led a traditional and conservative lifestyle. So do I and I also
support the causes of tolerance and embracing diversity.E pluribus
unum (one out of many). That’s what America is, lest we forget.
Interesting cherry-picking of reasons why one should "admire" President
Obama. I noticed you did not elect to include personal choices such regular
drug use (and encouragement of peers to do so with him) during his formative
years; lack of leadership experience prior to becoming president; policy
statements concerning homosexuality in marriage directly in opposition with
stated LDS Doctrine ... the list could go on at length for the differences
between what President Obama has done in office (and before), and the typical
lifestyle / belief of a Latter-day Saint.One might also question
your highlighting his "religion" as a positive, as the particular choice
of place to worship during his Illinois years is not exactly reflective of
Christianity at large, nor his personal practices (save time with his children)
in line with what most church followers (LDS or not) would consider practicing
what one preaches.I would hope many could be excellent fathers ...
and yet I might considerably disagree with their policies in many other venues.
While I can commend Pres. Obama for being a concerned father, and recognizing
God's influence in our lives, those attributes do NOT excuse his miserable
performance in office over the past 5 1/2 years. He has usurped powers of the
legislative branch, insulted our international friends, and spent more time
vacationing than any previous president. His ACA is costing more citizens more
money for healthcare, with fewer options. He has reduced the US military to
nothing more than a "paper tiger". The Russians and Chinese are doing
more than just "saber rattling" now that they see the US as no threat to
their expansion dreams. The US could be on its way to energy(oil) independence,
were it not for the Obama administration's tyrannical blocking of
development of our oil and gas reserves. Overall, I give the President a grade
of "F", and wish our Congress had the will to impeach him.
So many people on the comments have said that Obama is a nice guy. What I have
seen and heard from him is whiner who is thin skinned and complains that
everything that happens is not his fault. In addition to that, his progressive
policies have weakened the United States internally and in the world. Why on
earth would we appreciate him?
Apparently you believe that since I'm a Mormon, I should prefer certain
political leaders over others. If you want to write a piece telling about how
much you like the President that's fine. If the President and my church
leaders are on friendly terms, that's fine too. It's wonderful that
you adore his policies but please do not say that because I'm the same
religion as you that I should like him too.
The article is based on the premise that "This suggests that Utahns’
disapproval goes beyond the job Obama is doing to the person himself." The
word "This" apparently refers to the first few paragraphs of the
article. However, nothing in those paragraphs, other than an unsupported
conjecture that some people's disapproval of Obama is based on a continuing
grudge for him beating Romney, suggests that anyone's disapproval is based
on "the person himself." All the people I know who disapprove of Obama
do so because of his actions as president, not because of any personal reasons.
It's great that he spends time with his kids though!
Obama’s low standing in Utah has less to do with him personally than with
Utah’s politics. The last Democratic Presidential candidate to win Utah
was Lyndon Johnson half a century ago in the 1964 Goldwater debacle. In the 1984
race, when Reagan won 49 of 50 states, Utah was the state that gave him his
largest percentage margin of victory. I believe that was also true for GW
Bush.How long that will hold up is anyone's guess. But
Utah's demographics are shifting with the influx of new people migrating
into the southwestern region.
May I just remind the author of one thing...Harry Reid is also LDS. As are/were
Chris Cannon, Bob Bennett, Orrin Hatch, and many other LDS folk whom I disagree
RanchHand: "Wow, the vitriol is just oozing from most of the comments
here."Yes there is deep opposition to this president's
policies and the far-left agenda in general. Call it vitriol if you want, but it
is well deserved.What surprises me the most is how those who spewed
out the most vitriol against Bush and continue to do so against the GOP (Obama
being one of those throwing stones) seem to think this is only bad behavior now
that it is directed at them. Obama had no problem as Senator and now as
President blaming Bush and the House for everything, yet he can't take any
criticism without calling his detractors racist haters. Talk about "oozing
Whether we approve of a particular politician's policies or not, we should
be able to see and acknowledge the good in them. There are so many that fall so
short in their personal lives. When one does not it is cause to celebrate. It
does not mean we all have to agree with them. But we can and should be rational
and balanced in our views and critiques.
This whole article sounds like is was written by Jay Carney.While we
want a good husband and father who shares our religious values in the White
House, even more we want an honest, competent, leader to be president and Obama
is none of these.From the article:"This suggests that
Utahns’ disapproval goes beyond the job Obama is doing to the person
himself."Baloney! This president has bad policies. Period. We
would feel the same way about it if it were Harry Reid, Chuck Schumer, or
Hillary Clinton in the office and doing an equally poor job. His policies are a
disaster to this country. That is why his approval rating among Mormons and
everyone else in the country are so low.
Yes, lets ignore the NSA snooping, the IRS scandals, Bengazi, his attempts to
bypass congress and avoid checks and balances, his irrational gun control views,
his lies about ObamaCare not being a Tax, then it becoming a tax to avoid 10th
amendment questions. Lets ignore the fact that while the unemployment numbers
have "gone down", most of it is due to people GIVING UP. yes, I am an
uninformed racist who opposes Obama and has no good reasoning behind it.
Having lived in Chicago suburbs for many years, Mr Obama is operating under the
rules of Chicago type politics practiced during Mayor Daily and Governor
Blogevich. that is reward your friends, appease those of your party or those
who can advance your goals, and destroy or minimize your political enemies.
Under no situation should you do anything to help a political enemy even for the
good of the community.We see that with the IRS, where it was used as
a weapon to attack enemies. Benghazi information released incorrectly to help
ensure reelection, etc.Blogevich was a family man, but he is still
sitting in prison for trying to sell the open senate seat left by Obama's
election to President. Look at Obama's political appointments. They are
nothing more than giving plum assignments to those who helped him without
verifying ability to perform. (At least two appointments were withdrawn when
the candidate couldn't articulate basic information about the countries
they were being appointed to as ambassadors.) So being a nice guy to
your friends doesn't win any accolades in my book.
Really? This is a weak article indeed.
No offense to the writer, but this whole article is ludicrous.How
are Obama's personal characteristics a reflection on his policies? The way
he is as a father and a Christian have no affect on me as a citizen of the
country he runs. His policies, however affect me on a daily basis. And THAT is
why I do not like the man. George Bush was a good husband, father,
and Christian. I did not like him either. I'm sure they both
think/thought their policies are good for me, but in reality they are crippling
me. So no, it has nothing to do with the man. It has everything to do with how
he runs a government.
There is much to like and respect of BO. Many of those who dislike his policies
take to demonizing a good man without substance. His critics would garner more
respect and a mindful ear if they accurately voiced truthful objections instead
of unsubstantied stories.
There are a lot of "devoted fathers" spending years at the Point of the
Mountain. Being a "devoted father" or someone who tells us that he is
religious has nothing to do with his job performance or with his personal
honesty (or lack of honesty).Aren't Utah Attorneys General Mark
Shurtleff and John Swallow both "devoted fathers"? Don't they both
attend church regularly? Didn't they both file charges against those in
our State who were lawless? Didn't they make Utah a safer place to live?
Would a "religious" President lie about ObamaCare? Would he
lie about the I.R.S. scandal? Would he lie about Benghazi? Would he lie about
inviting illegal aliens into the U.S.?Sorry, Mr. Davis. The least
we expect from a President is honesty and personal integrity. Obama fails that
test. Honoring a man because he is a father is not proper criteria to honor a
With certainty, Presidnt Obama has disappointed many in his own party, and among
the obscene majority of LDS who have bought into the conservative propaganda, he
will never be seen as acceptable. There is some interesting information in the
book about President David O. McKay regarding the sharp move toward conservatism
in the 1950s and 60s, as well s ongoing racism among all too many church
members, who should know better.My question over and over to them is
"What are you going to do when you find out for certain that Jesus espouses
what you call 'liberal' ideas?" Another might be, "How can
you actually believe you have a place in his kingdom when you are so ready to
shut out as lazy and useless those he has called your brothers and
sisters?"If you despise Pres. Obama because he defeated Mitt
Romney, then maybe you ought to rethink Romney's positions on issues
important to our Heavenly Father's children: i.e. food, shelter, affordable
health care, among them and wonder why, if Romney were the right person, the
Lord didn't pave the way for his election.
Richard, A lot left out on this very rose colored view. First, are you aware
that in spite of the wind down of the wars, the world is now becoming more
dangerous, which may require a much bigger war in the future. Obamas fault.
Our debt has added almost 8 trillion dollars. Obamas fault. Obama has attended
almost 400 fund raisers, where I'm sure he was not being a dad. At this
point Bush had attended some 200. His Presidency is now seen as one of the
least transparant. So much scandle. So much public distrust. So much wrong
with Obama that any clear thinking person has to see that there is little for an
honest LDS person to admire, in spite of his family life. A President has to be
much more to a country than a good father. By the way, ACA is not exactly
getting off to a winning start either, in spite of what you may be reading. And
I hope you are not trying to teach this stuff to any students at BYU. American
students get enough of the left wing ONLY propaganda at 99% of other
universities, they don't need it from you at BYU.
Or maybe its not that Mormons worry about Who Obama is, but the future he ushers
in--one born of apathetic "leading from behind" that threatens the
United States with civil unrest if not civil war at home between factions who
have been inflamed by Obama's moral and economic class warfare while at the
same time fomenting hatred among long time allies due to Obama clearly opposing
their vital interests. Obama's leadership, on a host of
economic and geopolitical issues, is not only lacking, at times it appears
non-existent. His unexplainable inaction threatens the fall of the United States
in the long-term precisely as the Athenian Empire collapsed. It was the
arrogance of Athens toward its allies that turned it into the most hated
political entity despite the shift to Democracy. Thucydides paints a picture of
the Athenian arrogance that converted its image into the great evil empire.Obama's leadership is not different than Athens and its tearing the
world apart. Maybe Mormons are simply more tuned into the fall of Rome. Or in
this case the USA. And they're not letting Obama go quietly into the night
for his part in it.
I am not LDSThe problem I have with the presidents social policies is that
they reflect left wing extremism and the Orwellian hypocrisy of advocating
tolerance and choice while being intolerant of any one else's choice.
Forcing nuns to pay for birth control then crying victim when they resist being
a typical example.His financial polices have left the US in a permanent
recessionMedical policies simply don't workForeign policy is a
jokeBlatant political theater built on the backs of immigrant children is
horrifically heinous.But mostly I think he is simply narcissistic and
petulant and prone to passive/aggressive whining. Race baiting in order to
divert attention away for incompetence is offensive. That is not leadership, Perhaps this article was printed to make it clear that opposition to any
specific president is not LDS policy. Yet, I don't know why LDS people
should be impressed with Obama. I don't know why anyone is.
Mormons perhaps more than any other people, relgious or otherwise, trust their
leaders. Mr. Obama is simply not trustworthy, period!
I appreciate the office, but that's as far is it goes.
Is it April Fool's Day or what?
Wow, the vitriol is just oozing from most of the comments here.@Tuffy Parker;DOMA was ruled Unconstitutional. Why is it that you
feel you have the right to tell other people whom they may or may not marry?
What gave you the right to vote on the rights of your fellow citizens in the
first place? (hint: you couldn't).@Mend;We're
not a theocracy and your church's opinions are irrelevant to public policy.
It's pretty difficult for a Latter-day Saint to approve of or even like a
liar. I guess Professor Davis has forgotten the lies about keeping your doctor
and health care plan, about the most open administration in history, etc. etc.
This president has a record of mendacity unparalleled in American history.
With the exception of the fact that he is a good family man, I can't really
see anything to recommend him. And it is BECAUSE I am a very informed person
that I disapprove of him. I don't see how any LDS person could support
A new poll shows that 68% of Republicans want to impeach Obama! Objective
measures of Obama's presidency show that he has done a good job of
governing with his health care reform, getting us out of Bush's wars,
dropping the unemployment rate to 6.1%, reducing the budget deficit steadily
through out his term, and bringing the country back from the economic brink.The antipathy towards Obama says more about Republicans than about
Obama. Conservatives are reeling from the catastrophic failures of Bush/Cheney,
the changing demographics of the country, the success of the Gay marriage
movement, the failure of trickle down economics, failure of conservatives to ban
abortion, etc.Unfortunately, President Obama has come to represent
the fears and failures of the conservative movement, and a shrinking white
middle class demographic.
Thanks Mr. Davis your article proved a catalyst to show just how uninformed the
opposition to the President is.
You have got to be kidding with this article. This President is destroying the
country and dismantling all the institutions we hold dear. He is destroying
religious freedom or at least trying to.( see Hobby Lobby case)As a state
Senator he voted three times in favor of a law that would allow a doctor to find
a live baby who survived an abortion and murder it. You want us to support this?
He represents a philosophy that feels America needs to be "fundamentally
transformed" into a nation none of us would recognize. His "family
values" you claim he represents by being " a good father" and his
"christian values" are more likely based on political expediency than
anything else. He tramples on the constitution almost daily. His administration
is involved in more scandals than we can even count anymore and is clearly
involved in covering them up any way they can. That is why Church members
don't support him, not because he defeated Mitt Romney in the election. An
election by the way that was rife with voter fraud and IRS intimidation on the
part of his campaign.
"This suggests that Utahns’ disapproval goes beyond the job Obama is
doing to the person himself."Ya Think?The seething
hatred for Obama from many of those on the right is palpable and is very evident
in some of the comments in this newspaper.I find it sad that people
(left and right) cannot differentiate the person from various politics that you
disagree with.As the article points out, Obama is a fairly likeable
person and a good father and husband. It's too bad that even
staunchly "Christian" people become so un-"Christlike" when
politics are involved.
The three reasons you posted here are not sufficient for voting for a person for
the highest office in the land. I personally know hundreds of men who are good
fathers, friendly to the LDS church, and are devout in their religious
practices. But none of them would make a good president. My issues with Obama
stem from his policies, his penchant for blaming others (he and his supporters
have wandered far from "the buck stops here" philosophy of Truman), and
his general incompetence.He might have made a great president some
day but he just wasn't prepared to be president yet. His victories were an
artifact of a celebrity mentality among young voters and a racist mentality
among minority voters. I wish he had been up to the job. His premature grasp for
the presidency has, I'm afraid, diminished the legacy he could have had if
he had been more patient and waited until he was a little more seasoned before
seeking the highest position in the land.
This is a very thoughtful opinion piece. Even though I am not LDS, I believe
that the nuclear family is the center of the world's social structure.
President Barack Obama is a great father, husband, and President in my eyes. His
willingness to reform healthcare is the main reason I voted for him twice. Now
we have improving prenatal and postnatal care for babies and expectant mothers
and families that may no longer go bankrupt for medical reasons. President Obama
is now fighting for gay and transgender families. His AG is fighting for their
rights to get married and adopt kids. I was also ignorant of the struggles that
gays and lesbians faced in their daily lives until I took the time to know them
personally. My wife and I are now allies in their cause. I have seen how
successfully a gay couple has raised their adopted son and now their adopted
daughter. What a beautiful thing to see in this world. Their smiles and laughter
from being loved by such caring parents. Thank you President Obama for all you
Thank you Professor Davis, for this thoughtful assessment that I hope all
members of my church will consider regarding their president. It's
interesting that our current president, as you describe, has all the qualities
of character - family values - that everyone was clamoring for just two decades
ago and yet people seem to look past those qualities when making their
judgments. In his time in office the economy has turned from hemorrhaging
900,000 jobs a month to now growing 150,000 per month and the stock market has
more than doubled in size. We were able to capture and kill our number one
enemy and our troops are coming home from a decade long csmpaign on foreign soil
- all good things.I don't expect everyone to embrace everything
he has done as being perfect. Certainly he is not. And I know there are sharp
differences in where we all want the country to go but the things you describe
are worth considering as we make our overall judgement of the man.
Amen Brother, Amen!Now -- Que the Obama haters, in 3...2...1...
This is one of the weakest articles I have ever read. Come on DN you can do
On the opposite side: 1. He has record setting spending deficits. We cannot
sustain the current deficit spending. The church doesn't believe in that.
2. His views on same gender marriage is in conflict with A Proclamation to the
World. 3. The help to the military is contradicted by the out of proportion
sequestration burden the military has had to bear. 4. Should we include
tobacco, alcohol, and cannabis use?
It would be more correct to say that President Obama pulled our troops out of
the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The wars rage on. He is a family
man who does not understand the true meaning of family. He promotes the
"alternative lifestyle" which, if practiced by too many, would eradicate
families. I, for one, will be happy when this democratically-elected dictator
is no longer president.......unless he is replaced by Hillary. I'm not
sure who is worse.
Fantastic article, I applaud the DN, give them three cheers: hip hip hurray,
hip hip hurray, hip hip hurray!!! Okay then, now it's time to turn words
into action. Support Obama, support the President including: Obamacare,
marriage equality, gun control, foreign policy in the Middle East, immigration
reform, on and on and on.
Thank you for the incite into the President's life.
I don't like the direction he has taken the country. I did not vote for a
father or preacher. His invitation was to promote his agenda in immigration. I
think his actions as President lost him 20% of his support. When you factor in
Romney, we are the same as Protestants. Maybe he needs to lead
instead of dictate.
Okay, Obama is a nice guy, that has nothing to do with his job performance.Under his presidency the National debt has increased by almost $7
trillion. Many Americans are still unemployed, while he and his family take
vacations around the world, costing taxpayers roughly $44 million so far. He
has spent over a half year of his time in office playing golf. His speeches
show him to be an arrogant person, I, I, I...Troop withdrawal from
Iraq is more due to Iraq Government than Obama's doing. Afghanistan is not
yet over. Had it not been for public outcry, Obama would have US troops
fighting in Syria now. They're still working on that. For a Nobel Peace
Prize recipient Obama is quite the war monger.Most LDS revere the
Constitution as a sacred document, Obama has overreached the authority granted
the president in the Constitution.Obamacare is a way to collect
revenue for a financially broke government. It is affordable for some, because
it is subsidized by taxpayers.He promised transparency and has
presided over the most secretive administration. Voted for Obama in
2008. Could not vote for him in 2012. He was not true to his promises.
a dear friend is in a Utah hospital...without insurance...dual brain
surgeries...about to loose her home...the bill is over a million...Affordable healthcare is a joke abd so is affordable insurance, because it is
based on the most ineffective money making health "service" in the world
(most expensive per capita -even with 50 mil less- and non insured.)...another friend with severe diabetes told me the day he got his new
"affordable" insurance bill that he now pays 3600 USD more.if
Obama would care about families...he would stay at Camp David for Christmas.
instead of flying back and forth to Hawaii (hundreds of spoiled christmases to
his staff, security, Air Force etc...Sad to say, but Obama only cares for
his mandate.That is why I dislike his presidency.
This can not be a serious article right? I know this is an opinion piece, but
wow!! You would have thought Jay Carney wrote this. Sadly the Obama machine has
Did President O save some Mormons money with Obama Care? Perhaps. But he cost
thousands of others higher insurance premiums, so go fish. We cannot say he
saved people money without also pointing out that he cost others money.
I have nothing against President Obama the person. He seems to actually be a
decent person, I feel. I do not approve of his policies however. This article is
clearly wriitten by someone who is skewing what the approval poll was asking.
The poll did not ask "Is Barack Obama a good man?" It instead asked
"Do you approve of President Obama?" I can very easily answer yes to the
first question and still say no to the second.
As president, Jimmy Carter was a kind and warm person - perhaps one of the most
genuine men to ever serve in that office. However, being a good guy did not
prevent him from being one of the worst presidents ever until now.By
many accounts President Obamba is a wonderful person but under his
administration constitutional law is routinely circumvented, abandoning the DOMA
opened the floodgates for the current same-sex marriage fiasco, the ACA mandates
availability of what many consider to be abortion pills, our national defense is
at its weakest in decades and our foreign policy is in shambles. Add to that
Benghazi, IRS targeting and the Taliban for Bergdahl swap to help define his
time in office. I have a hard time understanding what any Mormon or other
concerned citizen can celebrate about this administration.I'm
happy to applaud President Obama as a husband, father and man of faith but
cannot, in good conscience, find much to approve in his presidential leadership.
Wow, I'm impressed that you guys printed this. This comment board sure is
going to be fun...