Published: Wednesday, July 16 2014 6:24 a.m. MDT
Updated: Wednesday, July 16 2014 6:24 a.m. MDT
The Dnews advocates for an appointed attorney general but this is all on the
voters who voted for swallow. The allegations that faced swallow were brought to
light before the election but the voters elected him anyway over a seasoned
county prosecutor.Why? Because he had a D next to his name. Law
enforcement offices should be non partisan and that is what the Dnews should be
With the departure of Swallow, there was an opportunity to raise heck and upset
the apple cart at the AG's office - just what it needs. But because of
Utah's Quixotic crusade against SSM we got Reyes, probably a decent guy but
not the sort we need to open the doors and windows of the AG's office to
fresh air.I received a lot of laughs and criticisms (from fellow
left-wingers) when I proposed that Governor Herbert appoint Libertarin Andy
McCullough AG (an office for which he has often run). He would have been just
what the doctor ordered (and what fun!)Now nothing much is going to
change - Utah's one party structure will to see to that as the Deseret News
says. But the D-News' prescription won't cut it either - it just
means more Republicanism piled higher and deeper.
A poor solution.Since other Utah officials can be called hacks who
cater mainly to the church and rich mormon donors, they should not be appointing
law enforcement officers.A better solution would be for the church
to make a statement that it wishes Utah to have the best possible Government,
even when it means that some Government officials disagree with the church,
sometimes. The church ought to state that the Constitution of Utah must come
before any religion in running Utah as a secular State of the USA.I
don't mean that Utah should get atheists in office -- most of the
candidates will be mormons -- but that the candidates should be encouraged to
place the Constitution first.Of course, they would also have to show good
moral values to win election by the voters.Good officials with good
values will naturally please the church and its members most of the time. Hacks
who have lds support but poor talents ought to be gone.
Should we appoint all of our elected officials? Any position in Government can
I am not sure why these charges are "shocking." The allegations and
involvement of both these individuals has been in the news for months. The
informed reader should be "shocked" if there were no indictments given
the details being reported in a wide variety of new media. Given
the reality that both Shurtleff and Swallow are from the Republican party as is
the governor and the vast majority of the legislature, one has to ask how making
the office of attorney general a political appointment would guarantee that such
misuse of public office would be stopped? Would not the attorney general be
even more politicized as an appointee? Responsible only to those who appointed
him and not the people of the state of Utah s/he is sworn to protect?
Insulating the chief law enforcement officer by making him an appointee is a
step in the wrong direction.
Appointed A.G.? Would that be like Erick Holder? Sheltered from the voters?
Why not have stronger campaign finance laws?Or even better yet, make
lobbyists illegal and begin publicly funded elections.Why not?
I would love to hear the arguments about why Utah is a one party state.
However, I know it will devolve into a LDS bashing or a spate of LDS excuses.
Suffice it to say regardless of cause, a vigorous political competition is
needed, but will not occur in the near future, whatever the sociological
reasons.I do believe that the DN has a good point on campaign
reform. Why not just make full, complete and rapid disclosure the law as a
start? The best deodorant in the world is a good dose of sunshine. If people
know from whence cometh the $ for candidate A or B, maybe that would inform them
better on who A or B is beholden to. Rats hide in the dark, and flourish in
The AG would be subject to similar conflicts of interest whether elected or
appointed. Just look at the issues we have had with Holder at the national
This is a terrible idea. For one, this means that whatever side (democratic or
republican) wins the governor's race, they automatically win the AG as
well. This increases cronyism, allowing the gov to appoint whichever of his
buddies he chooses (regardless of merit), and increases the chances of
corruption as the gov can now use the AG to shield his buddies. You want to get
corruption out of the AG office? Elect Charles Stormont.
Bad idea. The attorney general should be independent of the governor, lest he
or she be reluctant to investigate and prosecute wrongdoing within the executive
branch for fear of losing his or her appointment. The only viable
way to have an appointed AG is to have candidates vetted by an independent,
bi-partisan commission. But that's one more step removed from government
of the people, by the people, and for the people. Elections certainly have
their flaws, and campaign law reform is long overdue in Utah, but at least with
elections we only have ourselves to blame when we vote a bad apple into office.
The founders of Utah's constitution were wise in requiring the AG to be
JustGordon nails it. These charges are not shocking. What actually
*is* alarming is that this situation is just now considered "shocking".
I would imagine a fairly high percentage of Utah voters still have
no idea this is going on, because they're on a cruise control, their
electoral choices predetermined long before the candidates are even named.
I'm not so upset with the arresting of these 2, as I am with
the REPUBLICANS who -- Voted for them, and rather than
admitting they were snookered -- Fell on their swords defending the
un-defendable, and when that wasn't enough, attacked those who
WERE investigating as being politically motivated, and when that
wasn't enough, STILL are defending them for being Republicans and
"good" Mormons.BTW -- We just spent 3 weeks stupdying
King David in Gospel Dotrine, the lesson is sometimes even "good"
people make serious mistakes and SINS.Defending their evil acts, is
not what we are supposed to do, but rather hope, pray and help them
"repeant" of their sins...BTW -- Defending someone because
their Political Party is how the Nazis got away with everything they did...
Just Gordon: The point is that an appointed Attorney General couldn't
accept campaign contributions that might be misused.We do need a
good two party system. Unfortunately the Democrats have made that almost
impossible. Very few people in this state can support the Democrat platform in
good conscience or vote for a candidate who does support it. The Democrats have
no one to blame but themselves for this.
Re: ". . . it's time to consider an appointed attorney general for
Utah"Yeah, that'll fix everything. Then, instead of sucking
up to voters and campaign contributors, the AG can suck up to, cover for,
deflect criticism of, and legally protect the governor who appointed him --
right or wrong.That works so well in the federal system -- not. Just
look at Obama's Holder, or Nixon's Mitchell. Or, even better, look at
the thoroughly politicized federal judiciary.Removing government
officials from accountability to the people -- particularly those with nearly
unfettered discretion in matters of importance to real people -- is never a good
Officials can go bad regardless of how they get into office, via ballot or
appointment. It is important that bad conduct can be detected and punished.
The system works.Appointing powerful state officials accumulates
power in the hands of the Governor who would appoint the AG. That is much more
likely to be abused than the current system.Voters need a choice,
and they need the power to throw out an AG at regular intervals via the ballot
box. As others have pointed out, the example of Eric Holder's
conduct in office is proof that having an appointed AG can prevent prosecution
of massive corruption throughout government agencies. That is a far worse
disaster than when corruption is confined to a single office, even the AG's
office. We have checks and balances, and still (barely) the rule of
law. And, it works. Otherwise two former Attorneys General would not have been
Usually I would have a problem with this, because I have a fundamental belief
that the people should CHOOSE their leaders (through a fair election process).
But in a way, the job of AG should not be an elected position (The President
APPOINTS his AG for instance). Who becomes AG should not be
determined by who will promise the most goodies, or the most investigations, or
the most political attacks (for votes). He's the legal council for the
Governor and Legislature (they consult him and his department to determine if a
law is legal or not before trying to pass it)... so I'm OK letting the
Governor appoint the AG... the same way he appoints the rest of his cabinet.
We don't vote on who will head up the DOT, Energy Dept, Education, etc.
They are appointed.The AG works closely with the Governor AND
legislature, so it SHOULD be someone they can work well with. Not a political
adversary, who's trying to stop everything and make the Governor look bad.
It's in the Governor's interest to appoint an AG with
integrity. If AG messes up... they BOTH look corrupt... and get unelected.
I disagree that the AG should be appointed. It should be an elected office.
Two party system? We have multiple parties but the people seem to
gravitate to the R party. Perhaps a more enlightened electorate would consider
what are called the Fringe parties. It is obvious that the D party doesn't
fly with most of the state, except for the capitol city and it's east
bench.Folks, this was not done in a vacuum. I am of the opinion
that other people in the current and former state government knew of the trips,
and the associations yet did or said nothing. Why?The newspapers
were curiously quiet, with the budget constraints on printed media and the
desire of media in general not to make waves it appears investigative journalism
is on life support. Go along to get along, keeps advertisers happy and buying
space and air time.Open and prompt disclosure of campaign finances
and vigorous public debate, without moderator other than to keep time might
prove interesting as all candidate could ask any question or speak to any
subject and face questions and comment. A republican democracy takes time and
DN Subscriber has point. "Officials can go bad regardless of how they get
into office, via ballot or appointment". And I think it's
important to point out that Officials CAN go bad regardless of the letter by
their name. Sorry... just electing Democrats does NOT solve the problem. My
watching politics for years has shown me BOTH parties are EQUALLY prone to
corruption. There is no political party that is immune. I think that's
why the founding fathers gave us FREQUENT opportunities to remove/replace our
officials (because TIME in office is also a contributing factor when it comes to
"corruption").We either need a better way for the public to
get to know the AG candidates and their personal integrity (not just their legal
qualifications, or their political promises)... OR let the person with the most
to lose appoint his AG (the Governor).That puts a LOT of
responsibility on the Governor. But that may be a good thing. He is
obligated to pick a person he knows intimately and is willing to gamble his
whole career on that person's integrity. Because if he messes up... it
ends BOTH of their careers.
Do people seriously think that the average Mormon Democratic person running for
an office in Utah, actually disagrees with the church and agrees with their
party platform? I don't agree with all of the GOP or DEM platform. Their
platform is also nearly meaningless is most local elections. What
the DN is trying to hint to, is that The man Shurtleff ran against was also LDS,
and he wasn't less of a member because he was on the DEM ticket. He's
now a Temple President. Does that sound like a man who has issues with the
church? At least when Shurtleff first ran, their wasn't a hint of who he
truly was. Swallow though is literally embarrassing. He never even made it to
election day before his lack of integrity was showing. But Utah Mormons voted
for him anyways. Stop voting for the party, and vote for the person instead.
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