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Published: Wednesday, July 16 2014 8:00 a.m. MDT

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Hayden, ID

Americans have a 1 in 514,147 chance of being killed by “firearms discharge. Just last week we read about a university study where one in 10 people who drink alochol will die from the effects. Statisically, your chances of dying from alcohol are 5140 times higher than being killed with a gun, even in Chicago! We are worrying about guns?

one old man
Ogden, UT

Yes, we are worrying about guns. Those people who chose to drink alcohol usually kill only themselves, unless they drive a car or pick up a gun.

But when someone takes an assault rifle with a high-capacity magazine into a store or school, their targets were not able to choose.

The incredibly inane arguments of the gun lovers are pure nonsense.

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Just saw a study done by the CDC. In 14 states gun deaths exceed motor vehicle deaths, Utah is one of them.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

IMO any time you try to shrink a complex issue like this down into a "Quick Guide" (especially when you pretend it's about race, gender, age, politics, where you live, etc)... you don't really add anything of value to the conversation. You are just looking to divide, and cause contention. These are the exact demographics politicians constantly try to divide us on. So I'm going to try not to go there today.

Don't let them make it about "Race".

Don't let them turn it into a "Political" issue.

These are two of the biggest tools people use to divide us, and get people at each other's throats. I say... don't let him do it!

Guns are not about race. Guns are not about politics. As the Bill of Rights states.. it's a right that shall not be infringed. For political benefit OR for race baiting.

I hope we can resist going for the division and contention bait deeply implanted in this "Quick Guide" to such a complex issue... And try to discuss the complexities, instead of the stock division-angles so conveniently provided by the author...

Hayden, ID

@ one old man; Never heard of drunk driving where innocent people are killed and maimed by someone "choosing to drink"? Come on man!

@ Roland Kayser. That "study" was debunked a long time ago! On average in 2012, 92 people were killed on the roadways of the U.S. EACH DAY in 30,800 fatal crashes. That's about 350,000 people a year!

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Those who want to disallow the 2nd Amendment use the 1st Amendment to air their views. What irony!

Some would have us turn into a police state where we cower in fear, either fearing that the government will do nothing or fearing that it will replace our God given rights with limited rights from government.

We are free to act. That is called agency. However, agency requires accountability. We have laws that punish criminals AFTER they have acted. Those who want government to punish before we have acted are those who want the government to take away firearms. They would rebel against the government if they had to get permission from a government official before they could make public comments.

salt lake city, UT

Our constitution gives us the right to own a gun. It also enables us to pass laws to punish those who's gun was used either accidently or on purpose to cause harm. Our discussion should be more around strict punishment for those who choose to own a firearm but are careless. I for one would like to see minimum jail sentences for someone who's gun was used in accidental death, injury or suicide. Someone is more likely to have someone they love be injured by their gun than they are to have it used on an intruder. It's a fact, not having a gun in your house is the safest choice you can make for your family. The NRA and the gun lobby are trying to sell you a dangerous thing and the educated and informed are less likely to take the bait.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Google "Firearm Deaths in Utah - Utah Department of Health"...

Notice by far the biggest part of the pie-chart, (84.3%) of Utah gun deaths were "suicide"/intentional. 10.7% were "Homicide/intentional. "Unintentional", "Undetermined" and "Other"... all the rest of the categories combined = 5% of the gun deaths in Utah.

Comparing traffic-deaths and gun-deaths is apples-to-oranges comparison. One is mostly accidents. The other is mostly intentional.

We can reduce traffic-deaths by reducing accidents (only 5% of gun-deaths are accidents). We need another focus to reduce gun-deaths. Like reducing the reason people use guns for suicide, and for homicide. Just adding gun laws will not end that tragic trend. It requires a more in depth solution.

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

To Mountanman: Your figure is off by a factor of 10. In 2012, 34,000 Americans died in motor vehicle accidents. In 2011 the figure was 33,000

Centerville, UT

If we outlaw personal ownership of autos, the auto related deaths will disappear. The arguments for gun control

If the supporters of gun control on the basis of deaths from gun shots are honest, they would be fighting to outlaw personal ownership of autos. But since they do not, one must conclude the gun ownership issue is for other reasons.

We will get the argument only military trained people should be allowed to own guns, but wait was it not a military trained person in Logan, was it not a police man with his service revolver that shot his family.

Everett, 00

Hayden, ID

You math is so off the charts wrong,
it's not even worth correcting...


As for both you and Mike...

Utahns killed annually in order --

1. Overdose by LEGAL drugs
2. Guns
3. Automobiles

fyi -- killed by marijuana -- ZERO.

Centerville, UT

one old man implies Those people who chose to drink alcohol usually kill only themselves, unless they drive a car. "But when someone takes an assault rifle with a high-capacity magazine into a store or school, their targets were not able to choose." The other vehicle had a choice from a DUI? The pedestrian killed by a DUI had a choice?

Segee, Robert Dale, 1944, 167
Unknown arsonist, 1958, 100
González, Julio, 1990, 87,
Graham, Jack Gilbert, 1955, 44
Doty, Thomas G., 1962, 44
Gonzales, Francisco Paula, 1964, 43,Burke, David Augustus, 1987, 42
Frank, Julian Andrew, 1960, 33
de la Torre, Humberto Diaz, 1982, 24Álvarez, Juan Manuel, 2005, 11

595 people killed in mass killings and not one shot was fired.

Frozen Fractals
Salt Lake City, UT

"Americans have a 1 in 514,147 chance of being killed by “firearms discharge."

Considering we have around 300 million people and around 10,000 deaths each year by firearms, it would be around 1 in 30,000 each year as the odds of dying from a gun and something like 1 in 75,000 if we removed suicide-by-gun. 1 in 514,147 sounds like the odds of accidental gunshot wounds (unless I'm playing Oregon Trail in which case I swear it's 1 in 40).

"On average in 2012, 92 people were killed on the roadways of the U.S. EACH DAY in 30,800 fatal crashes. That's about 350,000 people a year!"

92 deaths per day * 365 days... if we round those up to 100*400 that would be 40,000 people a year, not 350,000 people a year. You even said 30,800 fatal crashes, why would you think an average fatal crash kills 11 people each?

Open Minded Mormon
Everett, 00

Centerville, UT

...but wait was it not a military trained person in Logan, was it not a police man with his service revolver that shot his family.

10:13 a.m. July 16, 2014


But wait --
Aren't you and your ilk the one who keep insisting that the MENTALLY ill can not have their 2nd ammendment rights infringed?

Centerville, UT

In Utah consumption is illegal but on a national level researchers from Columbia University’s Mailman School of Public Health have reported that fatal DUI accidents involving marijuana have tripled during the previous decade.

Although alcohol contributed to about the same percentage of traffic fatalities, about 40 percent, drugs were shown to be twice as prevalent in traffic fatalities in 2010 than in 1999.

Of the drug involved, marijuana proved to be the main drug involved in the increase, contributing to 12 percent of the 2010 accidents compared with 4 percent in 1999.

“Currently, one of nine drivers involved in fatal crashes would test positive for marijuana,” said co-author Dr. Guohua Li, director of the Center for Injury Epidemiology and Prevention at Columbia.

"fyi -- killed by marijuana -- ZERO" Do we not get told often that the Koch brothers tell us cigarettes don't kill. The lying scientists promoting a internal killer. Now we are told smoking marijuana doesn't kill.

Ammonia levels were up to 20 times higher in marijuana smoke than in tobacco smoke. Levels of hydrogen cyanide and nitrogen-related chemicals were three to five times higher

Driver charged with DUI Marijuana after deadly crash in Vancouver

Bountiful, UT

Utah has a very high suicide rate.

84% of gun deaths in Utah are suicides.

I think most rational people would agree that those who are attempting suicide are not in their right mind - they are, by definition, mentally ill.

Sri Lanka used to have the highest suicide rate in the world, with the preferred method being an unregulated pesticide. When the Sri Lankan government more tightly regulated the pesticide, the suicide rate fell by 50%. Experts who study this morbid phenomenon have discovered the impulse to kill oneself often passes.

How do we even attempt to prevent the mentally ill from acquiring guns, or take their guns away from them?

If we do nothing, we're (tacitly) admitting the lives of suicide victims are not worth saving.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Just wait, Obama and his anti-gun propaganda machine will soon declare that anyone who keeps a firearm in his home is mentally ill. They are already stigmatizing anyone who eats at a fast food restaurant.

When citizens will not stand up for the Constitution; when citizens get caught up in Obama's divisiveness; when citizens demand that government control their lives; those citizens have abdicated their responsibility to limit the scope and the authority of government.

If anyone doubts what I've just written, they can dust off their copy of the Constitution and start reading. I'll help you out by giving you the first words of the Constitution: "We the People of the United States,"

We are in charge.

We are responsible to limit the scope and the authority of government.

We are responsible to see that Obama keeps his oath of office.

We are responsible to see that each guaranteed freedom is kept free from ANY infringement.

Those who want government control of our lives are living in the wrong country.

well informed
Salt Lake, UT

I have a hard time being able to trust anyone that carries a gun. The police are the exception of course.

Salt Lake, UT

I have a question;

Does the LDS church allow missionaries to carry a gun? In the U.S of course. They are vulnerable and maybe they should to protect themselves.

2 bits
Cottonwood Heights, UT

It's true that humanity has a lot of suicides. I do not agree that you need to be "Mentally Ill" to commit suicide. Some are just drunk, or depressed, or trying to punish somebody else, or just suffering too much to take it anymore.

Are we going to take away people's 2nd amendment rights if they drink (EVER)? Because you never know when it will happen. No 2nd amendment rights if you have ever had depression? Even once?? Because that's were it could go IF we give you your liberal definition of "mentally ill".

Fact is... the government just doesn't know our mental status every day of our lives. We could be just fine 364 days of the year. The government doesn't have a way to monitor us that closely (Yet).

So... should we take away ALL guns?... because everybody has a POSSIBILITY of being depressed, or drinking alcohol, or just getting fed up and not wanting to live anymore? Because that's where your anybody who commits suicide is "Mentally ill", and anybody can commit suicide... logic leads us...

Parents and family know your daily mental status better (not the politburo).

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