I think the article is missing the fact that people are now FORCED to look out
for themselves more, because the government has taken away many choices and
options by instituting inflation and heavy taxation, plus mandated reverse
discrimination and reduced productivity. Gone are the days when you could wave
a diploma and get a great long-term career and be able to buy the traditional
American lifestyle. Also, many are soured by the idea of marriage and family
because their personal observations don't comport with what is
"sold" as a wonderful deal involving bliss and eternal peace and
happiness; most marriages fail substantially, and a huge percentage often
actually end in divorce. But is is more of a "me" society now, and many
are forgetting to look out for others without being compelled or guilted into
To "Steve C. Warren" actually individuals are not the basic unit of a
family. I take a group of 10 people and put them together and they will not
form a family. A family is NOT a grouping of random individuals. A family is
made of up of people that are related or adopted and is typically headed by a
mother and father.To "Stormwalker" go back and read the two
situations again. Which one is focused on what a single person wants, and which
one is not. While you do that, keep focused on the fact that selfishness is
when a person focuses on their own desires and wants, and an unselfish person is
focused on others.
This article sounds like an indictment against the twenty something and beyond
single people who can't or won't make a commitment to marriage.It's always the single folks who are posting the selfies on
@RedShirt: "Which one sounds more selfish?"Neither one
actually sounds more selfish. They sound like different choices and options
chosen by the people involved. One person may choose to go to college before
marrying, another malic to get married willing college. Some may want to pay off
debt or reach certain financial goals… Others may choose not to do that,
or do it as part of a couple. Some may choose to stay single and work many long
hours to build a foundation for their career, others may choose to prioritize a
relationship and not work long hours. Or, to marry somebody who will also be
working long hours, or who doesn't mind them being gone all the time. Many many different choices. And I think that's the operative word
here: choices. Your way was, hopefully, right for you. My path
– based on my background and experience and goals – was probably
very different from yours. It's only "wrong "if we do it for the
wrong reasons – like to try to please somebody else, or live up to
unrealistic expectations.And neither option is selfish. It's
the path that person shows to take.
RedShirt1701 wrote: "the most basic group of people is a family."Absolutely right! The family is a group, and the individual is the basic
unit of the family. Whether a society consists of one family (as in the case of
Noah or as in Adam & Eve, for example) or many families, the basic unit of
each family and of the society is the individual.
To "Steve C. Warren" now you are no longer making sense. You say that
we are children of God, and that he is our father and that we comprise his
family. So, you now agree that the family is an eternal structure, and that we
will exist in eternity within a family.But an individual cannot make
up society. It is like saying that a lone wolf comprises a pack of wolves. A
lone wolf is just a lone wolf and is not part of a pack until there are many
people involved. For society, the foundation or basic unit is the family.
Society cannot exist without groups of people, and the most basic group of
people is a family.
"Cult" is obviously a relative term for this couple.
To "RedShirt"I'm not sure that I follow your logic.
Yes, all of us, as part of the human family, are children of a Heavenly Father,
but that does not make the family the basic unit of society. The nuclear family,
for example, is "a" unit of society, but "the basic" unit of the
nuclear family (and the human family) is always the individual.
If parents are receiving gov't subsidies they're irresponsible, and if
adults are delaying kids until they have more money they're lazy and
selfish. Not much room to win if you hold both those views...
To "Steve C. Warren" if the basic unit of society now and for eternity
is not the family, why do we refer to God as "Our Father in Heaven".
Using the term father implies a family structure. Even Jesus cried for his
"Dad" when on the cross. There are other references within the Bible
that teach of the eternal nature of families.To "A Quaker"
you are wrong. By putting off marriage until they can afford what they
determine to be decent material things is a selfish reason. If I said to you I
won't get married until I can afford a 3000 sqft house in a decent
neighborhood, what would you think? On the other hand, if I said that I am
going to get married and live in a small apartment while my spouse and I save
for our future and find a good neighborhood we can afford. Which one sounds
Re: "It is not the individual that is the basic unit of society, it is the
family."No, the basic unit of society and in eternity is the
individual. The family organization exists to help individuals grow and to find
love and happiness. Salvation is always an individual matter. To teach otherwise
is, of course, false doctrine.
Individuals who put off getting married until they are through with their
education, are ready to buy a house, or are more mature miss out on the very
opportunities that they are trying to have. We never have enough education, the
house we want is always out of reach, and we are never mature enough. Being
mature is going through the problems and the opportunity for growth that they
Quaker is quite right. And many young people are doing that on the advice of
their parents,who learned the hard way that starting families because of the
preachiness of religious leaders, was not the way to go.
I think you have some things backwards. The reason most people I've met
put off marriage, or postpone having children is because they're working
hard, sacrificing for the future, in order to be able to afford to live in a
decent house, provide for their children, and to become more mature themselves
so they can be better parents.Young people who are working their way
towards emotional and financial maturity, getting educations, building careers
are not doing it out of selfishness. They're doing it out of a sense of
obligation and responsibility. They're building financial and personal
capital that will benefit their eventual family. They know that to do otherwise
risks falling into a chain of permanent poverty and failure, for themselves and