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Published: Tuesday, July 15 2014 12:00 a.m. MDT

Updated: Monday, July 14 2014 11:15 p.m. MDT

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KJB1
Eugene, OR

Translation: Conservative males no longer get to dictate everything and gay marriage will soon be legal.

Wah.

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

"Rather we have bureaucrats, special interest groups and judges who go against the will of the people."

My first question is: the will of what people? My second question is: are bureaucrats, special interest groups, and judges the only people moving against their will?

"The people" are the aggregate of individuals. These individuals want a wide variety of things. Some want better paying jobs. Some want a job. Some want same sex marriage. Some want to prevent same sex marriage. Individuals want a wide variety of things. In this they are opposed by judges or supported by judges depending on their views. Those who want better paying jobs or jobs in general are opposed by corporations who have invested in China instead of the United States. So the writer needs to include corporations in his list of opponents.

Some individuals want self-regulating capitalism. Others want some degree of socialism. There are supporters and opponents of each.

Has anything "perished" to use Lincoln's language? We still have traditional marriage. We still have jobs, but of a deteriorating quality. We still have a middle class, but it is under stress, as is the environment. The writer should broaden his focus.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

1. 6 years of Sour Grapes.
President Obama won TWICE!
Majority, get it?

2. I'm not happy Mike Lee, Orrin Hatch, and Rob Bishop represent "me",
but you won't see guys like me writing letters to the editor, or whining about it daily for 37 years.

3. FYI -- President Obama has a 54% approval rating,
Congress has a 9% approval rating.
Go figure.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

What can you expect when you legalize bribery as "free speech"?

Why public financed elections hasn't gained more traction in this country is beyond me. It appears as if we're content with special interest groups buying off our "representatives."

Like your Swallows, Shurtleffs, Lockharts, Nixons, Cheneys, and Bushs? Like being punished for being middle-class and not born into the 1 percent, like Mitt? Like RMP attacking you for going green? Keep the system the same and keep voting the same way.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"Rather we have bureaucrats, special interest groups and judges who go against the will of the people."

Lets look at why that is.

Bureaucrats are paid (bribed that is) to protect the interests of those who pay them.
Special Interest groups pay bureaucrats to, well, er, protect their special interest.

Judges, hopefully are tied to the rule of law and the constitution and should not be focused on "the will of the people".

So, Russ, unless you are for restricting corporate, union and other special interest money that taints how our bureaucrats govern, how will things change?

ordinaryfolks
seattle, WA

Let us just reiterate the logic problem of this comment.

We are not a pure democracy. We are a constitutional republic.

As the LTE is no doubt aware (when it suits their purposes), we have a document that enumerates the form and substance of the government. Laws may not be written that violate this document.

This dog whistle call of "people's rights" being violated by the negation of a referendum in Utah is an angry cry by a misled mentality. The vote of the people of Utah to ban same sex marriage (for that is indeed what prompted this screed) violated the US Constitution in various ways.

Unless, or until, we decide that the Judiciary is not allowed to rule on the constitutionality of law, this is the way things work. If you don't like it, submit a constitutional amendment and work to get it passed.

Utefan60
Salt Lake City, UT

Russ needs to study American history. We are a Republic where the majority does not always rule. The recent laws that have been overturned by many educated and knowledgeable judges has shown me that this country still believes in rights for all citizens, not just an uneducated majority.

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

WE have government of the corporations, by the corporations, and for the corporations, that is the real problem.

ugottabkidn
Sandy, UT

Will someone get me my violin? Sorry Russ, but you donated your government to the corporate world in the 1980's and haven't looked back. I'm looking to incorporate in order to have the same rights as Hobby Lobby. All the perks with none of the liability.

Blue
Salt Lake City, UT

We no longer have a republic, we have an oligarchy. I lay the blame for that at the feet of conservatives who think that corporations deserve Bill of Rights protections, but that women, the poor, children, and the elderly do not.

As for judges, "the will of the people," only works well when there are judges who know and apply the constitution to prevent democracy from becoming mob rule.

Curmudgeon
Salt Lake City, UT

Government of, by, and for the people takes on a whole different meaning when you read "people" as including corporations. Somehow I don't think that's what Lincoln meant.

The Real Maverick
Orem, UT

"Corporations are people, my friend."

- Mitt Romney

And you act surprised when we the people aren't represented?

Esquire
Springville, UT

Work to put limits on or reform the campaign finance system. Ban gifts, trips, etc. by lobbying groups, regardless of the amount. Overturn Supreme Court decisions giving corporations special rights to influence elections and the dialogue. Let's have public financing of elections. These reforms will be a good place to start. Work for this, dear letter writer, and what you pine for will start to return. The problem we face has been led by conservatives, beginning with their assault on McCain-Feingold and the Citizens United. Conservatives have led the charge on the erosion of our system. Are you willing to even acknowledge that?

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

"Rather we have bureaucrats, special interest groups and judges who go against the will of the people". Indeed, we have a state vehemently trying to usurp the rights of the people and judges giving religious rights to corporations at the expense of citizens.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

The sad truth is that we have never had government of the people, by the people, for the people and will not until the people are able to control their government. The only way people have in controlling their government is the vote, and the political republicans of all parties have put too many roadblocks to the public vote.

The political republicans, not to be confused with the republican party, are those who insist on America being a republic and not allowing democracy to exist. A typical political republican would be a person who has installed himself is a position of power and wealth and would limit or prevent any change that would threaten his position.

All adult and otherwise independent Americans should be encouraged, even mandated, to participate in selecting their government and its policies. All at government expense with strict prohibition of participation of the influence of any entity other than individual American persons.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

Ah, Russ, those judges going against the "will of the people" are just trying to protect the freedom of the people you don't like and whom you would deny freedom to.

Personally, (if I believed) I'd thank God for those judges.

VIDAR
Murray, UT

I think it is important to remember that citizens still have the greatest power over the system, and that is the vote.
Voter apathy is most to blame for the current problems in our system.
If everyone voted, and made our representatives more accountable, it would improve our system.
What if at the next presidential election; we voted all current representatives out?
Sweep the house clean, and start with new people. I realize it would take a couple elections due to the senate elections being off year.
But, in two years we could have all new people.
But it will never happen. Not when people are more interested in TV, or other recreations, than in what happens in their country.

Anti Bush-Obama
Chihuahua, 00

Yeah our first lady wants to ban the word "Bossy". What a free country we live in.

There You Go Again
Saint George, UT

@VIDAR
What if at the next presidential election; we voted all current representatives out?
Sweep the house clean, and start with new people. I realize it would take a couple elections due to the senate elections being off year.
But, in two years we could have all new people.
But it will never happen. Not when people are more interested in TV, or other recreations, than in what happens in their country.

I respect your opinion.

I might add it seems we are willing to stick with our guy no matter how crazy he acts/votes.

The problem seems to always be with the other guy representing the other party.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

What is really funny about the liberals here is that they can't put 1 and 1 together.

Lets look at why governments get corrupted.

They do so because the government wields great power, and can influence business and society. The larger government is, the more power there is to gain through bribery and deceit.

If the government is limited in its power, then the ability to corrupt government is also limited. Now, as the power of government is expanded, the ease and ability to corrupt that government increases. People will find a way to use that power for the personal gain.

Now, liberals see the corruption, and figure that the problem isn't that there is too much power for sale. They figure that they just don't have the right people in power or else that there isn't enough power given to the government. As government gains power, it becomes more and more corrupt.

Now, the liberals probably won't believe me, but lets just take a look at the NSA. It started out as a small organization looking at intelligence reports. We have given them more power over us, and they are now corrupt. See the correlation?

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