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Published: Monday, July 14 2014 6:30 p.m. MDT

Updated: Tuesday, July 15 2014 8:20 a.m. MDT

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ordinaryfolks
seattle, WA

I wonder what new and novel objections that the state of Utah will conjure up when it appeals to the Supreme Court the now confirmed ruling that same sex couples in Utah have a right to legally wed.

The states rights bugle call isn't working all that well. Arguments about children have been laughed off by most of the Federal district courts. Can't use religion (unless you are a corporation seeking to end birth control that is). We all know that voters can not pass an initiative that violates Constitutional law ( the Supreme Court already decided that part).

I doubt the "icky" argument will work, so I anxiously await the innovative arguments that will be put to the Justices of our Supreme Court.

The Wraith
Kaysville, UT

Place your trays in the upright and locked position folks, things are about to get interesting!

Light and Liberty
St. George/Washington, UT

The Supreme Court is God and He has already ruled!

A Quaker
Brooklyn, NY

Interesting. A citation to this article appears in the Twitter stream of EQCF, which I've been following for some time. EQCF aggregates filings and court decisions, with links to the full text, usually posted on Scribd. It's a valuable source for those following legal developments on the subject of marriage equality.

And now, thanks to a retweet of AppellateDaily, it includes Dennis Romboy as one of the quoted authorities!

Kings Court
Alpine, UT

"They said allowing the ruling to stand would put Utah at odds with its voter-approved Amendment 3..."

I bet if Amendment 3 was offered again for a vote, it wouldn't pass.

intervention
slc, UT

@light and liberty
While you may believe your version of a God, which just happens to always agree with you, is the Supreme Court luckily for us mortals your version of God holds no relevance in our legal system.

Two For Flinching
Salt Lake City, UT

@ Light and Liberty

That argument doesn't fly in a court of law due to the fact that we are a secular nation. SSM should, and will be, legal soon.

BoringGuy
Holladay, UT

If you're really pro-marriage, you won't see anything wrong with same-sex couples who are in love with making the ultimate commitment to one and other.

It's time to stop the hypocrisy. Quit denying our gay brothers and sisters their God-given Constitutional rights.

rik-nell
San Mateo, CA

Utah gave up any hope of logical legal reasoning to not accept same-sex marriage, when the Judge Waddoups ruled Utah's criminalization of cohabitation violated the due process and First Amendment religious freedom rights and ruled Utah's law criminalizing polygamy is unconstitutional. If the state allows polygamy marriages, then logically shouldn't the state allow and recognize same-sex marriages, especially since over 1000 were legally performed already?

TA1
Alexandria, VA

Be great if we could all accept the validity of the various court rulings on Same Sex Marriage - which will harm no one - and move on to things that are really important like taking care of the poor the sick and the afflicted.

Jamescmeyer
Midwest City, USA, OK

If people looked at marriage as the selfless union of families and not the selfish fulfilling one's self, families wouldn't have many of the problems they do now. Fewer breakups, less heartache, and not so much pressure to mandate by word of federally appointed kings that we award and support a selfish mockery of the most beautiful and most difficult promise we make to one another, to complete one another.

FatherOfFour
WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

At this point Herbert and Reyes are just kicking the can and trying to buy more time with taxpayer money. Did Utah fight interracial marriage this hard?

YoungPuppy
west Jordan, UT

The whole debate on the legalization of marriage will be coming to an end in the next few years. It will be legal in all states in the country and adults will be able to legally marry any other adult of their choosing for whatever reason.

Conservatives and religions can kick and scream that they don't like it but it will happen. Equality and civil rights in this country move forward despite those calling to halt progress. There are already many churches that now recognize that SSM is acceptable and many more will follow. Most churches in the next few years will do the same. There might be a few that a decade from now still do not recognize and perform SSM but they will be considered extreme and irrelevant. The LDS church will probably have a "1978 style" revelation in the next 10 years on SSM and in 30 years they will try and argue that they were never against it.

Equality will move forward. It is just a matter of time now. The war is mostly over, it is just time to clean up the battlefield.

TheTrueVoice
West Richland, WA

"I bet if Amendment 3 was offered again for a vote, it wouldn't pass."

I'll bet you are correct.

However, Amendment 3 was an illegal construct, as citizens can not "vote upon" the civil rights of their fellow citizens. Those caught up in the trappings of magical thinking need to understand that not being able to unjustifiably force people to conform to how you want them to be, isn't an infringment on your freedoms.

Furry1993
Ogden, UT

@LightAndLiberty 8:37 p.m. July 14, 2014

Which God should be accepted as "the" God? The God accepted by Latter-day Saints? Evangelicals? Catholics? Protestants? Jews? Muslims? Wiccans? Buddhists? Pagans? Satanists? Deists (like a lot of the Founding Fathers, who accepted a Creator but not any of the established religions)? By [fill in the blank with every other religion practiced in the United States]? And what about the people who are agnostic or atheist?

That is the crux of the problem. I know and love God and His gospel that I know from my faith. Others feel the same way about the God and gospel they know from THEIR faith (which is different in several ways from what I believe). And still others don't accept the concept of God, or aren't sure whether there is a God and, if there is, which one is correct.

That is the wisdom and brilliance of the First Amendment. NO God or religion can be established as "the" God and religion of the country. We believe as we deem correct, but don't impose our belief on everyone else. That is the right, fair and equitable thing to do.

The Judge
Kaysville, UT

It will be more interesting to see what convoluted legal reasoning the supremes might have to grant that same sex marriage is a "right." It may even exceed Justice Roberts' gymnastics in ruling Obamacare is constitutional.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

Jamescmeyer says:
"... and support a selfish mockery of the most beautiful and most difficult promise we make to one another, to complete one another."

Why is it that your straight marriage is "the most beautiful and most difficult promise we make to one another, to complete one another", and the marriage of an LGBT couple is "the selfish fulfilling one's self"?

I just don't get it, James. Seriously, why is it that LGBT couples are selfish for wanting to marry but straight couples aren't?

mauister
Wailuku, HI

Ten days to file a request for a stay with the Supreme Court to hold the course of no gay marriage for the time being and the Utah Attorney General misses the deadline. The Utah Attorney General in Utah is an elected position. Doesn't the guy want to keep his job? Is there some polling that reflects that more Utahns now favor same-sex marriage than oppose it? I am at a loss why he missed the deadline.

U-tar
Woodland Hills, UT

The Guy from Sacramento seems really interested in Utah politics.

lonepeakstudent
Alpine, UT

@Furry1993

That was one of the most well-thought out and intelligent comments I've read on this sad excuse of a forum. Thank you for being someone who understands not only Constitutional Law and Theory, but theology from a secular point of view as well as religious.

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