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Published: Saturday, July 12 2014 3:50 p.m. MDT

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Chuck E. Racer
Lehi, UT

The "standards" didn't improve anything over what we already had. They do force the failed "Whole Language" and Whole Math/Investigations Math" on every teacher by pretending to be "deeper level thinking," which is exactly what has been pushed for the past 20 years with those failed programs. It doesn't help students understand better.

But it's not really about the standards at all! It's about who sets the standards - some small group of "experts," almost none of whom are or were practicing teachers, OR parents and teachers of the local community. With Common Core we have NO say over what is to be taught our children. We can't change anything in them. With the testing will come the control of teachers to teach what the national government wants taught. (Wait 'till we get a Hitler in charge with CC in place!) And then there is the data mining that CC allows the government to do with "what's best for the children" as the excuse to basically spy on parents and families.

worf
Mcallen, TX

Superintendents are more businessmen rather then educators.

TilleySue
South Weber, UT

Those superintentents would lose their jobs if they said otherwise.

Brian
Wasilla, AK

Why when I "Like" an article does the count remain the same?

No One Of Consequence
West Jordan, UT

I'm sure some people were optimistic about bubonic plague too.

AT
Elk River, MN

I'm so excited for common core to be implemented. We pulled our kids from public schools a couple of years ago. Already, they're outpacing the public school kids. As this common core stuff gets implemented, the gap will become even wider. Teachers, in this mess, have even less room to be creative and help the children excel - they're going to get frustrated and as they get beat down, that frustration will lead to more and more apathy. This will lead to kids not having a love for learning. So, the reason why I'm excited for this... My kids will excel and love learning. The dupes stuck in public schools are going to detest learning and come to think that doing well on an exam = success. When they get out of school, and start performing, my kids will be leading and the public school kids, well, they'll be looking for someone to follow. Woo hoo!

HIGHLANDER56
EAGLE MOUNTAIN, UT

This yet again proves to me that we need to abolish public education as it now exists, including federal control and teachers unions !!!

trueblue75
USA, NC

The statement 'prepares all to go to college' is a part of the problem with Common Core...NOT all students are college bound and who says they need to be... there are many other areas of skill and motivation and training that is not college bound. These superintendents are getting paid way way way too much money....and Common Core and other federal programs help sustain that income....hummm?

Paul B.
South Jordan, UT

My investigation and study of Common Core indicates that most opponents of the program actually know very little about it - and a "little knowledge is a dangerous thing". Educators who are polled in professional surveys, such as a Gallup Poll, have an opportunity to express themselves objectively and anonymously, without any pressure from peers, outside critics or administration. These educators (whom I trust more than the "armchair educators" who make most of the noise in the media) are overwhelmingly supportive of Common Core. The conspiracy theorists will likely continue to tell us the sky is falling, but the professionals who truly understand Common Core recognize that this is a genuine effort to upgrade American education. We should support them - and the program.

JoeB1Kenobe
alpine, UT

Asking the government superintendents if 'Common Core' is a good idea is like asking a barber if you need a haircut...

hockeymom
Highland, UT

The problem remains that in the US we try to push our kids to a standard that other countries have already achieved, by using methods that are the opposite of what those countries are using. If we want to compete globally, we need to be humble enough to learn from other countries. The academic push in the US begins way before preschool, and studies are showing that kids who are the victims of pushy programming are burning out by 5th or 6th grade! Most other advanced countries are not teaching reading and math until about 2nd grade, while they focus on social skills & routine in KG & first, and believe children are best at home with mom until 5 years old! In contrast, the term "developmentally appropriate" in the US is now only used to describe what kids can handle under stress, not what is actually best for them in the optimum learning environment. Where is the fun and freedom for kids to learn and explore their own interests if teachers and forced down a rigid curriculum path that has no room or time for creativity or deviation? "Teach the test", becomes the hallmark of our kid's education. Sad.

RBB
Sandy, UT

I would like to see how kids in a common core program stack up against kids who use traditional teaching methods done right. Three of my kids went to Challenger and we're reading fluently before 1st grade. When they went back to public school they were at least a year ahead of their class. A couple others when to schools that used whole language and this goofy new math. They struggled until we had them work with Challenge r's phonics and Saxon math. Now they are honors student.

Common Core is not about standards, it is about content - and it is content. It is no wonder that we have a lower literacy rate today than we did at the time of the American revolution.

hockeymom
Highland, UT

@ TilleySue

Agreed. In fact, the best teachers remain in the classrooms, it's the poor ones who get bumped up to administration in the districts because they are more productive behind a desk than with students. These policy makers are so far removed from the road, they don't remember what it was like to be the rubber!

LittleStream
Carson City, NV

Are the "new" benchmarks lower than the previous ones? Is yes, you are still going in the wrong direction and "dummying down" the children. Teachers expectations are much more important than benchmarks. If you expect nothing of the kids they will give you nothing. And then you are going to have to get their parents to understand that getting the homework done is a joint effort between the child and the parent.

BleedsBlue
Salt Lake City, UT

Finally, a reasonable analysis of the Utah Core!

Kings Court
Alpine, UT

Highlander56, there are a few countries that have abolished public education or have very little public education. Not surprisingly, they are all in Africa and are the poorest countries in the world. The strongest education systems in the world are very public and highly centralized. I'm not saying that is the solution for America when the problem with the American education system is American culture itself. That means nothing that we do here will fix our education problems until we fix our culture and attitudes. Ironically, many anti-public education people like to compare American education data with those of the top performing countries who have very strong and centralized public school systems, then complain why we can't be like them, and then come up with an all private solution like those found in the worst educational models in the world. It just leaves one scratching one's head.

FreedomFighter41
Provo, UT

And the Eagle Forum crazies who already push to privatize public education come out in 321...

I don't think I've ever met an anti-common core person who actually knew what it was. Most think Obama created it or that it's a new curriculum to teach communism. All don't know what it's for, what it does, or who created it.

bill in af
American Fork, UT

As an educator for 38 years, I have seen a number of programs and standards come and go. My first reaction to CC was "Here we go again". As I have studied the CC and have been trained in ways to implement it, I have hope that this is a step in the right direction to prepare our children better for our future. The CC not only involves Math (which may still have some adjustments to do) but also involves language arts, social studies, and science. There are many inaccurate statements being made about CC being a "national" program out to indoctrinate our children. This is absolutely false. These are deceptive claims by the far right who have not really studied the CC,nor do they respect those of us in education who have been trained to do what is best for our children. Most teachers I know live by the same standards that many parents teach in their homes. Educators will not be controlled to teach from a particular text or teach anything contrary to our local standards.

JBQ
Saint Louis, MO

According to the U.S. Constitution, "Education is a state function". "Common Core" is a dangerous intrusion into the right of each state to set their own standards. This core is a creation of the U.S. Department of Education.

bandersen
Saint George, UT

NCLB had the same cheerleaders who "knew" what a wonderful mandate they had received and continued to support it, while getting paid large salaries, until the powers that be changed it. Most administrators quit thinking the day they sign their contracts. After that very few, if any, will question anything that comes above them. As a public school teacher for over 20 years, I "puzzled and puzzled till my puzzler was sore" trying to navigate through the mirage of "education" until I realized that many educators had been indoctrinated as well, including myself, to toe the line. There is a vast difference between education and school and until we move away from school, the results will be worse, not better. Until enough citizens believe in themselves enough to say to any national curriculum, "My name is [place your name]and I am different than the kid or parent in [place the city]and want someone to teach me what I need..." it will fail! Any citizen that doesn't support the Constitution are just followers. We need thinkers and we need leaders. The federal government should not be in Education.

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