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Published: Sunday, July 13 2014 10:56 a.m. MDT

Updated: Sunday, July 13 2014 10:56 a.m. MDT

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pocyUte
Pocatello, ID

Agreed that they overpaid, they obviously knew they were gambling. Though they are paying more, it isn't like it's a huge amount more, the cap implications aren't that big, and it's only 4 years during which time they will have Burke, Exum locked up and may have to lock up Burks and Kanter.

But there is a lot of time before those things have to happen, and, a lot of money available on the Jazz payroll.

Veracity
Morgan, UT

There is an old saying...a fool and his money soon part...wow and did it go fast.

Henry Drummond
San Jose, CA

Michael Jordan seems to think he's worth that kind of offer.

byronbca
Salt Lake City, UT

I feel like at some point people are going to realize that this isn't 2004 anymore and the NBA is no longer operating under the same collective bargaining agreement that allowed teams to sign players for 6 years.

Max contracts are not as burdensome for teams as they were 5 or 10 years ago. More players like Hayward are going to start getting more money for the simple fact that there is less money being spent on bad 6 year contracts. There are currently 11 teams with enough cap space to sign a max player and that doesn't even include teams like Houston who also have big enough trade exceptions to take on a max contract.

The market is what really dictates value and with so much money available to spend more players like Hayward are going to be getting max money. Hayward's contract isn't a 6 year $100 million it's 4 year $63 million- huge difference!

jazzfan4ever
south jordan, UT

I don't think you'll find anyone that will say that Hayward is a max player. However, bottom-line, he's earning max money. The Jazz brass didn't have enough foresight to see how the market would play out and they got stuck with this. The intersting part, for me at least, is to see how Hayward responds to this. I am intrigued to see how it plays out.

ET Bass
Idaho Falls, ID

First misstep by Lindsey? How about letting two all stars go
Sat year without getting anything in return!?

doc33
Las Vegas, NV

This is not Lindsey's first major misstep. Prior to last season, the Jazz GM allowed Paul Millsap and Al Jefferson to walk away from the franchise without any compensation into the welcoming arms of Atlanta and Charlotte where they promptly had career years for their new teams.

Although I think Quin Snyder was a decent hire, Lindsey also allowed Jeff Hornacek, who should have been coach of the year, to be lured away from the team by Phoenix when it was obvious Ty Corbin wouldn't be rehired; I don't think Lindsey liked either Corbin or Hornacek.

And, these two rookies he drafted have me concerned as well; I thought Randle and Early were better options after Aaron Gordon slipped by the Jazz to Orlando.

Within a couple of years, we'll know whether the new Jazz GM is up to the job or is just another guy who looks good in an expensive suit and has a nice haircut. Actually, he kind of reminds me of Mitt Romney, a guy who fits the part but flails away with every step.

Old Scarecrow
Brigham City, UT

The Jazz will look at their guys in Las Vegas and in practices, and with so many teams sitting with excess cap space now, Hayward is trade-able, even at this price. So this isn't a bad deal for the Jazz. They had to keep their assets, now they still have options, including another $12-14M cap space open. Likely they are not done with moves yet, like everybody else. GM Dennis Lindsay set out to prove that he's tough, and nobody can get over on him, and so far nobody has -- two first round draft picks that everyone likes, and keeping Hayward when everybody who can dribble is getting over-paid. The Jazz will eventually have to be reckoned with in the west, 2-3 years away now.

Itsnotjustagame
Cedar Hills, UT

Max money doesn't mean what it used to. This contract has less to do with Hayward's play or potential and more to do with the timing of the market and direction the league is heading with the expectation of huge revenue growth in the next few years.

If Utah had not matched it would have been a clear signal to fans that they aren't committed to this turnaround plan. They obviously are committed to it and have to keep betting on that plan. In two or three years - barring terrible performance from Hayward - this contract will be seen as a smart move.

gehelmke
Bastrop, TX

In simple terms:
Max players are making...Lebron $21M....Melo $24M....Bosh $23M
Hayward is making $16M
Jazz could have had him cheaper, but they gambled and lost.
At least two NBA GM's think Hayward is worth the money.
Nobody else's opinion is relevant

Utah Valley Guy
Springville, UT

What is not being reported and which I think has made all the difference in how this played out is what Utah was seeking and what Hayward was willing to accept in terms of contract renewal. Did Utah want a 4-year contract with a team option in year 4 or for year 5? or perhaps another restricted free agent year at the end of the contract?

Something tells me that Hayward is not quite as anxious to spend his entire career with the Jazz as the Jazz are to have him. I wish he would, growing into the role of huge contributor on a championship team...

sg
newhall, CA

It just goes to prove that larry h miller's son is an idiot. I have never seen a more inept owner make the decisions this guy has. The Jazz could use a great outside shooter, but continue to ignore the likes of Jimmer. Why? Utahns would relish the thought of him being in a Jazz uniform, even if it was for one or two or three seasons. He would bring in the fans. But no. This miller and his general manager or way over their heads. The Jazz will be as pathetic this upcoming season as they were the last. Maybe it's time for the fans to stay home and let the organization know just how we feel about this lackluster team? Haywood, as of now, isn't worth $63 million period.

scalman
Temecula, CA

I agree Hayward doesn't deserve max money, but that is where the market is. One way he does stand out as an NBA player, though, is as a thoughtful and skilled passer. I've seen most of the great passers in NBA history, including Cousy and Bird and Magic and Stockton. They all made things so much easier for their teammates. Hayward needs to improve his shot no doubt, but his passing raises the FG percentages of others on the team. He isn't an all-star yet, but I'm guessing he will make at least some all-star second teams in the years ahead. And I bet Derrick Favors is smiling right now about Gordon being signed by the Jazz.

Silly Rabbit
Small Town, USA, UT

Well I think most if not all pro athletes are over paid, with that being said. I cant wait to see what Hayward does with a new coach, last year was a mess. When ever the team got out and ran they did well, but it seemed that Corbin didnt want that. I think Hayward will be just fine, allstar who knows, but I think he will do much better this year with a different coach. Now is he worth that much money...... just like I wrote earlier I don't think any of these guys are worth the amount they are payed to play a "game". But I hope Hayward lives up to the contract. see Randy you wrote "he's a wonderful, thoughtful and classy young man who's good in the locker room and in the community and one who, thankfully, doesn't ever cause problems or make any trouble in either of those places"..... well to me that is worth the money. If that is why they paid him that much "Thank You Utah Jazz" for looking out for us fans.

Jazz Source
Alpine, UT

Make no mistake Hayward and his agent are the winners. They got the fool Jordan to display his stupidity and poor judgement yet again and now the Jazz agree and take it on.

When Hayward would not come to terms last season that is when the Jazz should have acted. They should have had a plan to move him and get an asset.

They better continue to seek deals to move him because he is a role player so far.

If Quinn Snyders system fixes Hayward we will all be thrilled and it will prove Corbin was as bad a coach as many thought.

If Hayward continues his poor shooting and high turnovers we will know that Lindsey should have been smarter and not given all this money to someone who already showed who they were.

Alec Burkes will be a better scorer than Hayward in this league and has a better chance of continuing to improve.

Long Lost America
Salt Lake City, UT

@sg
Your post made my day, needed a good chuckle. So the Jazz are "idiots" for signing Hayward. And idiots for not signing Jimmer. So, to get this straight, we would not have Hayward if you ran the team and Jimmer would be in his place.
Perhaps the $63 million should have been offered to Jimmer?

CJL2020
Provo, UT

If the FO is trying to rebuild the team in the image of past great players such as Malone, Stockton, and Hornacek, I really don't have a problem with Hayward as the new Hornacek. Sure they may have overpaid a bit this time around but once players such as Duncan have been with a team for a long time, they tend to be more agreeable to lower quid pro quo salaries later on. Yeah, there's a lot of Mr Magoos out there that are having trouble seeing past the end of their noses because they're so near sighted but that's no big deal. I also don't have a problem with Dante being the new Stockton. Who knows, the kid's got size and speed that might even make him an upgrade on Stockton. Does that make Trey the new Eisley? Maybe Rudy is the new Tag, not sure who the new Malone is, anyone want to take a stab at that one? Maybe all the rest of extra pieces will be enough to put us over the top? By the way, the mighty Quin definitely seems like an upgrade for Slowone.

positivethinker
Magna, UT

Randy Hollis and many posters here failed to mention one actual fact. The Jazz also have a MINIMUM salary cap that they must achieve. So answer me this question, and you better support it with some facts. Who could the Jazz have SIGNED (not offered) who would come to the Jazz and make an immediate impact like Gordon Hayward has? The Jazz have to spend money to meet the minimum NBA salary cap, and I believe they made a good choice in signing Hayward

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

Meh. It's just the NBA.

Sonicbum
West Jordan, UT

Another Greg Ostertag deal. What a waste.

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