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Randy Hollis: Hayward's price tag too much for Jazz to pay

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  • CJ Miles Dallas, TX
    July 14, 2014 2:34 p.m.

    In the NBA, you typically do not let a player walk away if you can re-sign them. It's just how business works. If Hayward doesn't pan out next season, you trade him. But for now, you take your chance that he gives you value down the road. Hayward may be the missing piece for a team to win a championship in a few years and others will be willing to pay for his inflated contract. If he turns into a superstar like some of you think he will, then its money well spent.

  • TerryHaimes Sturgis, MS
    July 14, 2014 11:43 a.m.

    Again, Hayward is not getting max money, just the max that the Hornets could offer. I say he deserves and is worth Max money.

    Now Randy Hollis is not wor4th what he is being paid.

    If Jazz are healthy they will win this year.

  • ECR Burke, VA
    July 14, 2014 6:20 a.m.

    "And if they hadn't re-signed Hayward, who would the Jazz have gone after instead? It's not like Utah is a hot spot for big-name free agents to land."

    And so what was Randy Hollis' motivation in writing this article? Just to annoy and offend Gordon Hayward? After wasting all our time and effort to read how many inches of his opinion he states the obvious. What was the alternative? To let Charlotte have him and be left with nobody?= to fill his position? Or somebody with even less experience and less talent?

    If Hollis can't recognize that Gordon is an integral part of the Jazz rebuilding strategy then he has no business writing sports articles for the DN. Yes, Dennis Lindsay gambled and lost in this case. But this is a four year deal, not a 6 year deal like AK got. And if hustle and heart are important ingredients in a player and a team, who has more than Gordon Hayward?

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    July 14, 2014 3:04 a.m.

    Overpaid? Yes...but...there isnt anyone left with his skillset...and thinking about a starting lineup that includes Exum and Hayward...both unselfish players...would be nice...i am not familiar with Snyder's prefered scheme...let's just hope its like San Antonio...with a lot of passing...first summer league game...all i see is Trey Burke dribbling the ball for 7-10 secs at a time...since this is the first time they'll all be playing together i can forgive it...let's just hope that...Hayward plays to his potential...

  • C00l Br33Z3 South Jordan, UT
    July 13, 2014 11:00 p.m.

    I love all the Greg Ostertag bashing comments....if we have forgotten, Ostertag played in two back-to-back finals, against the defending champions(and arguably the best player of the game), which has only happened twice until recently. We should all feel very lucky if any our current players can ever say the same thing ever again. I'm no expert, Lindsey is...he has a reputation for being very savvy at what he does. I hope he still has his edge and surprise us all with this deal. He is where he is because ultimately, he listens to his instinct and not his critics. And of course, I can't expect the man to hit all home runs, just enough to keep it real. When you gamble sometimes you win big and sometimes you lose big.

  • Sonicbum West Jordan, UT
    July 13, 2014 7:34 p.m.

    Another Greg Ostertag deal. What a waste.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    July 13, 2014 7:14 p.m.

    Meh. It's just the NBA.

  • positivethinker Magna, UT
    July 13, 2014 6:10 p.m.

    Randy Hollis and many posters here failed to mention one actual fact. The Jazz also have a MINIMUM salary cap that they must achieve. So answer me this question, and you better support it with some facts. Who could the Jazz have SIGNED (not offered) who would come to the Jazz and make an immediate impact like Gordon Hayward has? The Jazz have to spend money to meet the minimum NBA salary cap, and I believe they made a good choice in signing Hayward

  • CJL2020 Provo, UT
    July 13, 2014 5:25 p.m.

    If the FO is trying to rebuild the team in the image of past great players such as Malone, Stockton, and Hornacek, I really don't have a problem with Hayward as the new Hornacek. Sure they may have overpaid a bit this time around but once players such as Duncan have been with a team for a long time, they tend to be more agreeable to lower quid pro quo salaries later on. Yeah, there's a lot of Mr Magoos out there that are having trouble seeing past the end of their noses because they're so near sighted but that's no big deal. I also don't have a problem with Dante being the new Stockton. Who knows, the kid's got size and speed that might even make him an upgrade on Stockton. Does that make Trey the new Eisley? Maybe Rudy is the new Tag, not sure who the new Malone is, anyone want to take a stab at that one? Maybe all the rest of extra pieces will be enough to put us over the top? By the way, the mighty Quin definitely seems like an upgrade for Slowone.

  • Long Lost America Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2014 2:53 p.m.

    @sg
    Your post made my day, needed a good chuckle. So the Jazz are "idiots" for signing Hayward. And idiots for not signing Jimmer. So, to get this straight, we would not have Hayward if you ran the team and Jimmer would be in his place.
    Perhaps the $63 million should have been offered to Jimmer?

  • Jazz Source Alpine, UT
    July 13, 2014 2:21 p.m.

    Make no mistake Hayward and his agent are the winners. They got the fool Jordan to display his stupidity and poor judgement yet again and now the Jazz agree and take it on.

    When Hayward would not come to terms last season that is when the Jazz should have acted. They should have had a plan to move him and get an asset.

    They better continue to seek deals to move him because he is a role player so far.

    If Quinn Snyders system fixes Hayward we will all be thrilled and it will prove Corbin was as bad a coach as many thought.

    If Hayward continues his poor shooting and high turnovers we will know that Lindsey should have been smarter and not given all this money to someone who already showed who they were.

    Alec Burkes will be a better scorer than Hayward in this league and has a better chance of continuing to improve.

  • Silly Rabbit Small Town, USA, UT
    July 13, 2014 1:38 p.m.

    Well I think most if not all pro athletes are over paid, with that being said. I cant wait to see what Hayward does with a new coach, last year was a mess. When ever the team got out and ran they did well, but it seemed that Corbin didnt want that. I think Hayward will be just fine, allstar who knows, but I think he will do much better this year with a different coach. Now is he worth that much money...... just like I wrote earlier I don't think any of these guys are worth the amount they are payed to play a "game". But I hope Hayward lives up to the contract. see Randy you wrote "he's a wonderful, thoughtful and classy young man who's good in the locker room and in the community and one who, thankfully, doesn't ever cause problems or make any trouble in either of those places"..... well to me that is worth the money. If that is why they paid him that much "Thank You Utah Jazz" for looking out for us fans.

  • scalman Temecula, CA
    July 13, 2014 12:05 p.m.

    I agree Hayward doesn't deserve max money, but that is where the market is. One way he does stand out as an NBA player, though, is as a thoughtful and skilled passer. I've seen most of the great passers in NBA history, including Cousy and Bird and Magic and Stockton. They all made things so much easier for their teammates. Hayward needs to improve his shot no doubt, but his passing raises the FG percentages of others on the team. He isn't an all-star yet, but I'm guessing he will make at least some all-star second teams in the years ahead. And I bet Derrick Favors is smiling right now about Gordon being signed by the Jazz.

  • sg newhall, CA
    July 13, 2014 11:15 a.m.

    It just goes to prove that larry h miller's son is an idiot. I have never seen a more inept owner make the decisions this guy has. The Jazz could use a great outside shooter, but continue to ignore the likes of Jimmer. Why? Utahns would relish the thought of him being in a Jazz uniform, even if it was for one or two or three seasons. He would bring in the fans. But no. This miller and his general manager or way over their heads. The Jazz will be as pathetic this upcoming season as they were the last. Maybe it's time for the fans to stay home and let the organization know just how we feel about this lackluster team? Haywood, as of now, isn't worth $63 million period.

  • Utah Valley Guy Springville, UT
    July 13, 2014 10:45 a.m.

    What is not being reported and which I think has made all the difference in how this played out is what Utah was seeking and what Hayward was willing to accept in terms of contract renewal. Did Utah want a 4-year contract with a team option in year 4 or for year 5? or perhaps another restricted free agent year at the end of the contract?

    Something tells me that Hayward is not quite as anxious to spend his entire career with the Jazz as the Jazz are to have him. I wish he would, growing into the role of huge contributor on a championship team...

  • gehelmke Bastrop, TX
    July 13, 2014 10:24 a.m.

    In simple terms:
    Max players are making...Lebron $21M....Melo $24M....Bosh $23M
    Hayward is making $16M
    Jazz could have had him cheaper, but they gambled and lost.
    At least two NBA GM's think Hayward is worth the money.
    Nobody else's opinion is relevant

  • Itsnotjustagame Cedar Hills, UT
    July 13, 2014 7:49 a.m.

    Max money doesn't mean what it used to. This contract has less to do with Hayward's play or potential and more to do with the timing of the market and direction the league is heading with the expectation of huge revenue growth in the next few years.

    If Utah had not matched it would have been a clear signal to fans that they aren't committed to this turnaround plan. They obviously are committed to it and have to keep betting on that plan. In two or three years - barring terrible performance from Hayward - this contract will be seen as a smart move.

  • Old Scarecrow Brigham City, UT
    July 13, 2014 5:22 a.m.

    The Jazz will look at their guys in Las Vegas and in practices, and with so many teams sitting with excess cap space now, Hayward is trade-able, even at this price. So this isn't a bad deal for the Jazz. They had to keep their assets, now they still have options, including another $12-14M cap space open. Likely they are not done with moves yet, like everybody else. GM Dennis Lindsay set out to prove that he's tough, and nobody can get over on him, and so far nobody has -- two first round draft picks that everyone likes, and keeping Hayward when everybody who can dribble is getting over-paid. The Jazz will eventually have to be reckoned with in the west, 2-3 years away now.

  • doc33 Las Vegas, NV
    July 13, 2014 1:56 a.m.

    This is not Lindsey's first major misstep. Prior to last season, the Jazz GM allowed Paul Millsap and Al Jefferson to walk away from the franchise without any compensation into the welcoming arms of Atlanta and Charlotte where they promptly had career years for their new teams.

    Although I think Quin Snyder was a decent hire, Lindsey also allowed Jeff Hornacek, who should have been coach of the year, to be lured away from the team by Phoenix when it was obvious Ty Corbin wouldn't be rehired; I don't think Lindsey liked either Corbin or Hornacek.

    And, these two rookies he drafted have me concerned as well; I thought Randle and Early were better options after Aaron Gordon slipped by the Jazz to Orlando.

    Within a couple of years, we'll know whether the new Jazz GM is up to the job or is just another guy who looks good in an expensive suit and has a nice haircut. Actually, he kind of reminds me of Mitt Romney, a guy who fits the part but flails away with every step.

  • ET Bass Idaho Falls, ID
    July 13, 2014 12:14 a.m.

    First misstep by Lindsey? How about letting two all stars go
    Sat year without getting anything in return!?

  • jazzfan4ever south jordan, UT
    July 12, 2014 7:35 p.m.

    I don't think you'll find anyone that will say that Hayward is a max player. However, bottom-line, he's earning max money. The Jazz brass didn't have enough foresight to see how the market would play out and they got stuck with this. The intersting part, for me at least, is to see how Hayward responds to this. I am intrigued to see how it plays out.

  • byronbca Salt Lake City, UT
    July 12, 2014 7:28 p.m.

    I feel like at some point people are going to realize that this isn't 2004 anymore and the NBA is no longer operating under the same collective bargaining agreement that allowed teams to sign players for 6 years.

    Max contracts are not as burdensome for teams as they were 5 or 10 years ago. More players like Hayward are going to start getting more money for the simple fact that there is less money being spent on bad 6 year contracts. There are currently 11 teams with enough cap space to sign a max player and that doesn't even include teams like Houston who also have big enough trade exceptions to take on a max contract.

    The market is what really dictates value and with so much money available to spend more players like Hayward are going to be getting max money. Hayward's contract isn't a 6 year $100 million it's 4 year $63 million- huge difference!

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    July 12, 2014 6:05 p.m.

    Michael Jordan seems to think he's worth that kind of offer.

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    July 12, 2014 5:39 p.m.

    There is an old saying...a fool and his money soon part...wow and did it go fast.

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    July 12, 2014 5:05 p.m.

    Agreed that they overpaid, they obviously knew they were gambling. Though they are paying more, it isn't like it's a huge amount more, the cap implications aren't that big, and it's only 4 years during which time they will have Burke, Exum locked up and may have to lock up Burks and Kanter.

    But there is a lot of time before those things have to happen, and, a lot of money available on the Jazz payroll.