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Published: Sunday, July 13 2014 9:04 a.m. MDT

Updated: Sunday, July 13 2014 9:04 a.m. MDT

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marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

The simple fact remains that contraceptives are a major part of women's health care - and in the reproductive years a dominant part. Restrictions and exceptions as required by Hobby Lobby and others will make it harder for women to get needed care. This is particularly true for women making the despicably low American minimum wage. An IUD requires intervention by a doctor the expense of which will likely be out of reach for many women if they have to obtain such outside of their employer provided insurance.

Women are adults, they are not children or property.

marxist
Salt Lake City, UT

I might also add that the conferring of personhood on Hobby Lobby is an excellent example of Marx's "fetishism of commodities," whereby we treat people like things, and things like people.

The only real people are people - men, women, and children. Corporations, businesses, religions, trade groups, chambers of commerce etc are not people. Only people have rights. Women as people have rights. They are not commodities. They are always people.

Sal
Provo, UT

The government can easily provide any types of contraceptives that women want. There is no justification to force religious companies to kill the unborn.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

Great article. Liberals want government out of THEIR bedrooms, not yours!

UtahBlueDevil
Durham, NC

I find it rather amusing that by providing choice - one is accused of limiting ones freedoms. Just because an employer, or even the government provides birth control services, does not mean anyone HAS to avail themselves of them. Just as if I go to an eating establishment that serves alcohol - I am not compelled to partake. And if no one at that venue partakes, then the average cost for that venue will also go down.

Why doesn't hobby lobby focus on hiring people who share its values - and therefor makes the entire proposition moot. Choice is not restricter of freedom. One can support peoples right to choose - right and wrong - without partaking in those individual decisions themselves.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Some people are still promoting the lies being told by Harry Reid and the Obama administration about the Hobby Lobby case. Some people believe those lies. Some people believe that a woman cannot buy abortifacients herself. Some people believe that she can only get those abortifacients if her employer pays for them.

The truth is that abortifacients cause abortions. No person in America has the right to demand that her employer pay for her abortion. If she wants an abortion, she can buy those pills herself.

In America we believe in "due process". An unborn child has the right to "due process". Killing that unborn child is allowed under Roe v Wade, but Roe v Wade does not require the employer to pay for the abortion. Many of us do not condone abortion. Many of us detest abortion.

Obama has decreed that all employers must pay for abortions. Since when can the President "decree" anything?

Kings Court
Alpine, UT

There is a logical conundrum in this article. The main contention is that Obamacare restricts people's access to healthcare because it decides the minimum amount of coverage people must have. What it fails to mention is that employers are free to add whatever they like beyond the minimum. In the case of Hobby Lobby, that corporation didn't want to implement a portion of the minimum requirement, yet according to this article, that is expanding one's healthcare options, not constricting it. Go figure! I'm still scratching my head over that twisted logical fallacy.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

Instead of letting just a few 'people', which is to say the personhood of corporations, provide us with health care, why not make it the responsibility of all of us. After all, the only individuals that actually will never need health care are corporations. In spite of court rulings to the contrary, they're really not actually people.

Tekakaromatagi
Dammam, Saudi Arabia

Dumb question. There is such a thing as antibiotic resistant gonorrhea. If you get it then you can't be cured.

By emphasizing contraceptives and not talking about condoms, then people will assume that with contraception they are safe.

If someone has to take a 'morning after pill' because they made a mistake with their boyfriend, (a married couple wouldn't make that kind of a mistake) then they are engaging in risky behavior. Contraceptives isn't going to help them.

Young Moderate
Logan, UT

@Marxist. I agree. Women are adults, not children. They can pay for the things they want themselves.

E Sam
Provo, UT

An IUD is not an abortifacient. And some women are medically unable to use other forms of birth control. Hobby Lobby's owners are not being asked to personally perform abortions. They're merely being asked to fully provide all FDA approved medications. The decision of which one she should use should be made by her, in consultation with her doctors. Her employer has no appropriate role to play in her medical decisions.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

Sarah Torre is the policy analyst in the DeVos Center for Religion and Civil Society at The Heritage Foundation. She focuses on policy issues related to religious liberty, marriage and family.

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No political motive,
No agenda,
No Lobbying,

Why does the Deseret News consistently offer such a one-sided, lop-sided, biased, sounding board for all things conservative?

In 8th grade - I was taught ALL Journalism required an opposing view point.
Propaganda did not.

So Deseret News -- Where is that line between "journalism" and "propaganda"?
20 to 1
40 to 1?

Star Bright
Salt Lake City, Ut

I suppose if Hobby Lobby advertised for employees who agree with them the left would go out of their minds.
They already provide 16 birth control methods to their employees (and BTW, they pay double minimum wage). Seems to me you might want to plan ahead.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

@Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

In America we believe in "due process". An unborn child has the right to "due process". Killing that unborn child is allowed under Roe v Wade, but Roe v Wade does not require the employer to pay for the abortion. Many of us do not condone abortion. Many of us detest abortion.

Since when can the President "decree" anything?

8:29 a.m. July 13, 2014

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...and many of you would not allow it
- even for Rape, Incest, or Life or Health of the Woman.
AND
That is why I do not agree with you.

btw -- Abraham Lincoln freed the Slaves by "decree".

PG #1 FAN
Lindon, UT

This entire issue is a joke. Hobby Lobhy has chosen to operate as a corporation and have the tax advantages associated with being a corporation. Now they want individual religious rights aside from the corporation. Disavow the corporate structure and operate as a wholly owned noncorporate entity. File your business tax return on a Schedule C on the 1040 form and get no benefit from LLC structure such as immunity from lawsuits, protection of personal assets etc. If you want to be a family owned business and be a family owned business. Corporations are entities, not people. You can set up your financial affair in any manner of your choosing but there are often unintended consequences with those decisions. Don't get all the advantages of a corporation and then beg to be treated like a person with individual religious liberty.

Mickie
SLC, UT

@Mike Richards

What is the definition of abortion? It's the termination of pregnancy, right? According to the National Institutes of Health and the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, pregnancy does not occur unless implantation occurs. The morning after pill most typically prevents ovulation. In some cases a morning after pill can prevent implantation of an egg, but pregnancy has not occurred still. Two of the IUDs that Hobby Lobby protests do not even prevent implantation. The copper one can, but that's only if placed after intercourse. Once again, not abortion.

That being said, this issue goes beyond the Hobby Lobby case. There are about 100 other companies who are now claiming they deserve religious immunity as well and some want to deny coverage of ANY contraceptive, not just ones they believe are "abortifacients" despite the fact that some women use contraceptives for other legitimate medical needs other than preventing pregnancy.

What this bill is trying to do is remove religious immunity from health care concerns because it is of no concern to the employer how their employee uses their benefits. It's sad when we give a company more consideration and rights than a real human being.

Light and Liberty
St. George/Washington, UT

If a civilized society is what is supported by the Democrats, Republicans, or Marxists, it is easy to see why there are so many independent minded people that don't want anything other than what the Constitution allows. if Marxists, Democrats, or Republicans don't understand what that is, then for people like me, I am quite content and happy to support any citizen or politician that wants to end any government program. If they want to end it, I am for it! It doesn't matter what it is because anything would be better than what we have! No need to debate; no need to wonder! Consistency is a virtue that even the simplest man will respond. Gridlock is wonderful, but ending any possibility for future government programs is even better!

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Hobby Lobby and any other business can run their business any way they want so long as it is not in America and it doesn't involve Americans as consumers and Americans as employees.

Business operations in America do so only with the permission of the government(s) that apply to the location. That permission is granted only to those business operations that agree to the specifications made and enforced by government. There are no Constitutional rights or privileges, even for churches, for business operations.

Consumers and employees are both protected classes of people. Their health, welfare, safety and personal being are prime functions of our government. While extreme latitude is allowed to business operations, they are not wanted to use their economic power to influence people. It is our leaders duty and responsibility to maintain that protection.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

@Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

No person in America has the right to demand that her employer pay for her abortion. If she wants an abortion, she can buy those pills herself.

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What about those of us - including the LDS Church -
who feel Rape, Incest and Life and Health of the woman would justify it?

BTW -- Viagra and other ED promoting pills are covered.
So, why won't you say "if a man wants to enhance performance, he can buy those pills himself."?
Double standard?

VST
Bountiful, UT

“Why doesn't hobby lobby focus on hiring people who share its values…”

How about alternative: Why not those, who do not share the Hobby Lobby values, choose to become employed elsewhere?

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