Published: Sunday, July 13 2014 9:04 a.m. MDT
Updated: Sunday, July 13 2014 9:04 a.m. MDT
The simple fact remains that contraceptives are a major part of women's
health care - and in the reproductive years a dominant part. Restrictions and
exceptions as required by Hobby Lobby and others will make it harder for women
to get needed care. This is particularly true for women making the despicably
low American minimum wage. An IUD requires intervention by a doctor the expense
of which will likely be out of reach for many women if they have to obtain such
outside of their employer provided insurance.Women are adults, they
are not children or property.
I might also add that the conferring of personhood on Hobby Lobby is an
excellent example of Marx's "fetishism of commodities," whereby we
treat people like things, and things like people.The only real
people are people - men, women, and children. Corporations, businesses,
religions, trade groups, chambers of commerce etc are not people. Only people
have rights. Women as people have rights. They are not commodities. They are
The government can easily provide any types of contraceptives that women want.
There is no justification to force religious companies to kill the unborn.
Great article. Liberals want government out of THEIR bedrooms, not yours!
I find it rather amusing that by providing choice - one is accused of limiting
ones freedoms. Just because an employer, or even the government provides birth
control services, does not mean anyone HAS to avail themselves of them. Just
as if I go to an eating establishment that serves alcohol - I am not compelled
to partake. And if no one at that venue partakes, then the average cost for
that venue will also go down.Why doesn't hobby lobby focus on
hiring people who share its values - and therefor makes the entire proposition
moot. Choice is not restricter of freedom. One can support peoples right to
choose - right and wrong - without partaking in those individual decisions
Some people are still promoting the lies being told by Harry Reid and the Obama
administration about the Hobby Lobby case. Some people believe those lies.
Some people believe that a woman cannot buy abortifacients herself. Some people
believe that she can only get those abortifacients if her employer pays for
them.The truth is that abortifacients cause abortions. No person in
America has the right to demand that her employer pay for her abortion. If she
wants an abortion, she can buy those pills herself. In America we
believe in "due process". An unborn child has the right to "due
process". Killing that unborn child is allowed under Roe v Wade, but Roe v
Wade does not require the employer to pay for the abortion. Many of us do not
condone abortion. Many of us detest abortion. Obama has decreed
that all employers must pay for abortions. Since when can the President
There is a logical conundrum in this article. The main contention is that
Obamacare restricts people's access to healthcare because it decides the
minimum amount of coverage people must have. What it fails to mention is that
employers are free to add whatever they like beyond the minimum. In the case of
Hobby Lobby, that corporation didn't want to implement a portion of the
minimum requirement, yet according to this article, that is expanding one's
healthcare options, not constricting it. Go figure! I'm still scratching
my head over that twisted logical fallacy.
Instead of letting just a few 'people', which is to say the personhood
of corporations, provide us with health care, why not make it the responsibility
of all of us. After all, the only individuals that actually will never need
health care are corporations. In spite of court rulings to the contrary,
they're really not actually people.
Dumb question. There is such a thing as antibiotic resistant gonorrhea. If you
get it then you can't be cured.By emphasizing contraceptives
and not talking about condoms, then people will assume that with contraception
they are safe.If someone has to take a 'morning after
pill' because they made a mistake with their boyfriend, (a married couple
wouldn't make that kind of a mistake) then they are engaging in risky
behavior. Contraceptives isn't going to help them.
@Marxist. I agree. Women are adults, not children. They can pay for the things
they want themselves.
An IUD is not an abortifacient. And some women are medically unable to use
other forms of birth control. Hobby Lobby's owners are not being asked to
personally perform abortions. They're merely being asked to fully provide
all FDA approved medications. The decision of which one she should use should be
made by her, in consultation with her doctors. Her employer has no appropriate
role to play in her medical decisions.
Sarah Torre is the policy analyst in the DeVos Center for Religion and Civil
Society at The Heritage Foundation. She focuses on policy issues related to
religious liberty, marriage and family.======== No
political motive, No agenda, No Lobbying, Why does the
Deseret News consistently offer such a one-sided, lop-sided, biased, sounding
board for all things conservative?In 8th grade - I was taught ALL
Journalism required an opposing view point.Propaganda did not.So Deseret News -- Where is that line between "journalism" and
"propaganda"?20 to 140 to 1?
I suppose if Hobby Lobby advertised for employees who agree with them the left
would go out of their minds. They already provide 16 birth control methods
to their employees (and BTW, they pay double minimum wage). Seems to me you
might want to plan ahead.
@Mike RichardsSouth Jordan, UtahIn America we believe in
"due process". An unborn child has the right to "due process".
Killing that unborn child is allowed under Roe v Wade, but Roe v Wade does not
require the employer to pay for the abortion. Many of us do not condone
abortion. Many of us detest abortion. Since when can the President
"decree" anything?8:29 a.m. July 13, 2014======== ...and many of you would not allow it - even for
Rape, Incest, or Life or Health of the Woman.AND That is why I do
not agree with you.btw -- Abraham Lincoln freed the Slaves by
This entire issue is a joke. Hobby Lobhy has chosen to operate as a corporation
and have the tax advantages associated with being a corporation. Now they want
individual religious rights aside from the corporation. Disavow the corporate
structure and operate as a wholly owned noncorporate entity. File your business
tax return on a Schedule C on the 1040 form and get no benefit from LLC
structure such as immunity from lawsuits, protection of personal assets etc. If
you want to be a family owned business and be a family owned business.
Corporations are entities, not people. You can set up your financial affair in
any manner of your choosing but there are often unintended consequences with
those decisions. Don't get all the advantages of a corporation and then
beg to be treated like a person with individual religious liberty.
@Mike RichardsWhat is the definition of abortion? It's the
termination of pregnancy, right? According to the National Institutes of Health
and the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, pregnancy does not
occur unless implantation occurs. The morning after pill most typically
prevents ovulation. In some cases a morning after pill can prevent implantation
of an egg, but pregnancy has not occurred still. Two of the IUDs that Hobby
Lobby protests do not even prevent implantation. The copper one can, but
that's only if placed after intercourse. Once again, not abortion.That being said, this issue goes beyond the Hobby Lobby case. There are
about 100 other companies who are now claiming they deserve religious immunity
as well and some want to deny coverage of ANY contraceptive, not just ones they
believe are "abortifacients" despite the fact that some women use
contraceptives for other legitimate medical needs other than preventing
pregnancy. What this bill is trying to do is remove religious
immunity from health care concerns because it is of no concern to the employer
how their employee uses their benefits. It's sad when we give a company
more consideration and rights than a real human being.
If a civilized society is what is supported by the Democrats, Republicans, or
Marxists, it is easy to see why there are so many independent minded people that
don't want anything other than what the Constitution allows. if Marxists,
Democrats, or Republicans don't understand what that is, then for people
like me, I am quite content and happy to support any citizen or politician that
wants to end any government program. If they want to end it, I am for it! It
doesn't matter what it is because anything would be better than what we
have! No need to debate; no need to wonder! Consistency is a virtue that even
the simplest man will respond. Gridlock is wonderful, but ending any
possibility for future government programs is even better!
Hobby Lobby and any other business can run their business any way they want so
long as it is not in America and it doesn't involve Americans as consumers
and Americans as employees. Business operations in America do so
only with the permission of the government(s) that apply to the location. That
permission is granted only to those business operations that agree to the
specifications made and enforced by government. There are no Constitutional
rights or privileges, even for churches, for business operations. Consumers and employees are both protected classes of people. Their health,
welfare, safety and personal being are prime functions of our government. While
extreme latitude is allowed to business operations, they are not wanted to use
their economic power to influence people. It is our leaders duty and
responsibility to maintain that protection.
@Mike RichardsSouth Jordan, UtahNo person in America has the
right to demand that her employer pay for her abortion. If she wants an
abortion, she can buy those pills herself. ======= What
about those of us - including the LDS Church - who feel Rape, Incest and
Life and Health of the woman would justify it?BTW -- Viagra and
other ED promoting pills are covered.So, why won't you say "if a
man wants to enhance performance, he can buy those pills himself."?Double standard?
“Why doesn't hobby lobby focus on hiring people who share its
values…”How about alternative: Why not those, who do
not share the Hobby Lobby values, choose to become employed elsewhere?
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